Everyone knows by now that Wildstar is going free to play and I think that its a awesome decision. Its a really good game but has a small player base and this will open the doors wide open to those willing to try it out. I've have plenty of guildmates from other games try the free trial with me and said that they would love to play it if it goes free. Now that its about to happen I figured wildstar would be the next big move for us, until I saw the free limits. Sub players get more exp, gold, auction house slots, etc. All reasonable stuff.
Until I see you can't join a guild or do warplots on free accounts and then im like wtf. Why!? It makes no sense. Having a sub is suppose to give rewards like extra perks while and while not playing but taking away guilds and warplots from free players is a punishment. I mean guilds is a major social aspect from a game meant to be focused on interacting with other players. Now no one wants to play anymore because we were all excited to play a new action mmo with our guild tags held high and you put this pay wall in front of us.
I know what a lot of you are thinking. I'm just whining because im too cheap to pay sub. Not it at all. I've paid the sub and am willing to pay again. Only reason I stopped playing was because the player base was so little. If I had a better group of people to play with, "my cross game guildies for example" I would still be playing it today.
But back to the subject at hand, this pay to join guilds and to do warplots thing will deter a lot of people. People that are needed to bring this game back from the grave. Its not like the sub would be worthless if these "perks" were given to everyone. I mean these are major pieces of content in the game. It shouldn't only be giving to those who pay a sub.
That's all I wanted to rant about, please give your thoughts on the subject plz.
10 year in and people still are surprised that "Free" to play games aren't actually free. Boggles my freaking mind...
That's a generalization. F2P players don't expect everything free. They see a distinction between free access to the servers, and free gameplay features. The former is expected, but the latter is what most people voice their opinions about, especially with comparisons to other F2P titles.
If the restrictions are too extreme, then people won't even bother playing it. Look at how much ridicule Swtor got for restricting hotbars.
I personally have never understood the logic of Hybrid Free To Play models. If players were willing to pay a sub fee to play the game, it would not have gone F2P to begin with.
I would also not be shocked if the "Bonus" XP and whatnot given to subs is actually the Pre-F2P XP rate, while free players are getting a lower rate than that.
If someone's primary concern about a F2P game is asking: How much can I get for free? It tells me they don't really understand the model or it's drawbacks at all... or they're really poor.
The benefit of the SWTOR model is that for $15 a month you're on an even playing field with everyone else paying $15 a month, as opposed to so many other F2P games where paying $15 a month puts you at a huge disadvantage to the person spending $100 and up a month.
The benefits for SWTOR going F2P are:
1) Star Wars nerds spend hundreds of dollars on cash shop mounts/outfits.
2) People who want to pay less than $15 but not $0 can be monetized.
3) People are far more interested in trying free games than in free trials they know will end in a few days, given how strong SWTOR's low level content is, getting new people through the door is critical to getting them to spend.
4) Free players make the game feel far less dead than with the traditional sub.
5) Given that they're making far more money as F2P there is clearly an advantage.
Great movie, but can that correlate into the gaming industry?
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
10 year in and people still are surprised that "Free" to play games aren't actually free. Boggles my freaking mind...
10 years people do forget the meaning of free to play, get to play for free not free on everything.
I know, i was making a roundabout remark on the fact that free to play games never were and never will be truly free. Just not sure what people expect. Of course like they say, there is a sucker born every minute.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Great movie, but can that correlate into the gaming industry?
Cuz OP got showed up and won't post in the thread anymore...use your context clues.
Can not tell, talking shit to me, or the op?
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Great movie, but can that correlate into the gaming industry?
Cuz OP got showed up and won't post in the thread anymore...use your context clues.
Sorry, I finally got it. Word to my brother!
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
10 year in and people still are surprised that "Free" to play games aren't actually free. Boggles my freaking mind...
10 years people do forget the meaning of free to play, get to play for free not free on everything.
I know, i was making a roundabout remark on the fact that free to play games never were and never will be truly free. Just not sure what people expect. Of course like they say, there is a sucker born every minute.
which is wrong, there is plenty of F2P games where you are not forced to spend money to keep up....
Aion & ESO spring to mind off the top of my head, they limit nothing, Aion has boxes you can unlock with keys from a cash shop but you don't require them to play, i was also going to say TERA, but TERA limits the amount of dailies you can do a day etc... ESO you just get boosts basically for having a sub
10 year in and people still are surprised that "Free" to play games aren't actually free. Boggles my freaking mind...
10 years people do forget the meaning of free to play, get to play for free not free on everything.
I know, i was making a roundabout remark on the fact that free to play games never were and never will be truly free. Just not sure what people expect. Of course like they say, there is a sucker born every minute.
which is wrong, there is plenty of F2P games where you are not forced to spend money to keep up....
Aion & ESO spring to mind off the top of my head, they limit nothing, Aion has boxes you can unlock with keys from a cash shop but you don't require them to play, i was also going to say TERA, but TERA limits the amount of dailies you can do a day etc... ESO you just get boosts basically for having a sub
So your point is......
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
I said from the first day Smed tried pandering about cash shop gaming there was only one positive.That is it allows a game that would normally not have the player base to look busier,attracting more players.
Personally it is a poor reason to go cash shop,too many negatives.I don't want any free players in my game,it could ruin economy creates a worse global chat and you end up with players in guilds who really are not that interested and only there because it is free.I would rather know all the players i associate with are really there because they love the game and not because it is free.
IMO the whole idea of cash shop gaming is to banter around a FALSE term "FREE".If you need to sell your product with the FREE title then your product needs a lot of help,simple as that.I just deleted 3 f2p titles off my computer,none of them held my interest past 2 days.It is extremely rare that a cash shop game holds my interest,matter of fact almost nothing has held my interest over the last 10 years.Since Wow came about game development and marketing changed a lot,i no longer like the design approach devs are using,everything is cheap and rushed.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I said from the first day Smed tried pandering about cash shop gaming there was only one positive.That is it allows a game that would normally not have the player base to look busier,attracting more players.
Personally it is a poor reason to go cash shop,too many negatives.I don't want any free players in my game,it could ruin economy creates a worse global chat and you end up with players in guilds who really are not that interested and only there because it is free.I would rather know all the players i associate with are really there because they love the game and not because it is free.
IMO the whole idea of cash shop gaming is to banter around a FALSE term "FREE".If you need to sell your product with the FREE title then your product needs a lot of help,simple as that.I just deleted 3 f2p titles off my computer,none of them held my interest past 2 days.It is extremely rare that a cash shop game holds my interest,matter of fact almost nothing has held my interest over the last 10 years.Since Wow came about game development and marketing changed a lot,i no longer like the design approach devs are using,everything is cheap and rushed.
You lost me at Smed.
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
10 year in and people still are surprised that "Free" to play games aren't actually free. Boggles my freaking mind...
10 years people do forget the meaning of free to play, get to play for free not free on everything.
I know, i was making a roundabout remark on the fact that free to play games never were and never will be truly free. Just not sure what people expect. Of course like they say, there is a sucker born every minute.
which is wrong, there is plenty of F2P games where you are not forced to spend money to keep up....
Aion & ESO spring to mind off the top of my head, they limit nothing, Aion has boxes you can unlock with keys from a cash shop but you don't require them to play, i was also going to say TERA, but TERA limits the amount of dailies you can do a day etc... ESO you just get boosts basically for having a sub
So your point is......
are you dense or trying to troll.. my point was made very clear in response to the post i was replying to.
some games are complately free if you do not wish to pay for them, and still let you remain competitive and not hold you back from those who spend money.
10 year in and people still are surprised that "Free" to play games aren't actually free. Boggles my freaking mind...
10 years people do forget the meaning of free to play, get to play for free not free on everything.
I know, i was making a roundabout remark on the fact that free to play games never were and never will be truly free. Just not sure what people expect. Of course like they say, there is a sucker born every minute.
which is wrong, there is plenty of F2P games where you are not forced to spend money to keep up....
Aion & ESO spring to mind off the top of my head, they limit nothing, Aion has boxes you can unlock with keys from a cash shop but you don't require them to play, i was also going to say TERA, but TERA limits the amount of dailies you can do a day etc... ESO you just get boosts basically for having a sub
So your point is......
are you dense or trying to troll.. my point was made very clear in response to the post i was replying to.
some games are complately free if you do not wish to pay for them, and still let you remain competitive and not hold you back from those who spend money.
What about the three people I know who say different? Maybe, what you think you are saying is just inside of your head.
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
10 year in and people still are surprised that "Free" to play games aren't actually free. Boggles my freaking mind...
10 years people do forget the meaning of free to play, get to play for free not free on everything.
I know, i was making a roundabout remark on the fact that free to play games never were and never will be truly free. Just not sure what people expect. Of course like they say, there is a sucker born every minute.
which is wrong, there is plenty of F2P games where you are not forced to spend money to keep up....
Aion & ESO spring to mind off the top of my head, they limit nothing, Aion has boxes you can unlock with keys from a cash shop but you don't require them to play, i was also going to say TERA, but TERA limits the amount of dailies you can do a day etc... ESO you just get boosts basically for having a sub
You'll either have to sub or buy DLC for ESO as it comes out.
10 year in and people still are surprised that "Free" to play games aren't actually free. Boggles my freaking mind...
10 years people do forget the meaning of free to play, get to play for free not free on everything.
I know, i was making a roundabout remark on the fact that free to play games never were and never will be truly free. Just not sure what people expect. Of course like they say, there is a sucker born every minute.
which is wrong, there is plenty of F2P games where you are not forced to spend money to keep up....
Aion & ESO spring to mind off the top of my head, they limit nothing, Aion has boxes you can unlock with keys from a cash shop but you don't require them to play, i was also going to say TERA, but TERA limits the amount of dailies you can do a day etc... ESO you just get boosts basically for having a sub
You'll either have to sub or buy DLC for ESO as it comes out.
Or, you know, you could have mentioned that you still need to buy a box to access ESO.
10 year in and people still are surprised that "Free" to play games aren't actually free. Boggles my freaking mind...
10 years people do forget the meaning of free to play, get to play for free not free on everything.
I know, i was making a roundabout remark on the fact that free to play games never were and never will be truly free. Just not sure what people expect. Of course like they say, there is a sucker born every minute.
which is wrong, there is plenty of F2P games where you are not forced to spend money to keep up....
Aion & ESO spring to mind off the top of my head, they limit nothing, Aion has boxes you can unlock with keys from a cash shop but you don't require them to play, i was also going to say TERA, but TERA limits the amount of dailies you can do a day etc... ESO you just get boosts basically for having a sub
Wrong, show me a F2P game that doesn't have something you can buy.
The point is its not, by definition free. There is some kind of monetization. Now, whether that is pay 2 win or not is of course game dependant, and each persons opinion of P2W varies. The OP of this article sounded like he was pissed that he couldnt do just about anything in the game without a "pay wall", Which it boils down to is only the one person who creates a guild has to have a sub, that was his big "pay 2 win" issue.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
10 year in and people still are surprised that "Free" to play games aren't actually free. Boggles my freaking mind...
10 years people do forget the meaning of free to play, get to play for free not free on everything.
I know, i was making a roundabout remark on the fact that free to play games never were and never will be truly free. Just not sure what people expect. Of course like they say, there is a sucker born every minute.
which is wrong, there is plenty of F2P games where you are not forced to spend money to keep up....
Aion & ESO spring to mind off the top of my head, they limit nothing, Aion has boxes you can unlock with keys from a cash shop but you don't require them to play, i was also going to say TERA, but TERA limits the amount of dailies you can do a day etc... ESO you just get boosts basically for having a sub
Wrong, show me a F2P game that doesn't have something you can buy.
The point is its not, by definition free. There is some kind of monetization. Now, whether that is pay 2 win or not is of course game dependant, and each persons opinion of P2W varies. The OP of this article sounded like he was pissed that he couldnt do just about anything in the game without a "pay wall", Which it boils down to is only the one person who creates a guild has to have a sub, that was his big "pay 2 win" issue.
I disagree. F2P means free access to the servers. That's what f2p has always meant, an alternative to the subscription model.
However, access to certain gameplay features are always up for debate, and that's what the OP was discussing.
In a way, mbrodie is correct, because not all f2p mmos require a payment or block access behind paywalls. In this case, Wildstar seems to be using a paywall to block access to certain features. In my opinion, it's not something to get upset about, unless you really want to create a guild.
All the other with shops, monetization, DLC, membership, premium, boosters, skins, graphical overhauls, pets, emotes, insertbullshit here where you throw money at.
Until I see you can't join a guild or do warplots on free accounts
Then you, sir, are utterly blind. Or worse. None of this is true.
Visit an eye doctor or cite your source.
For the genuinely interested: 1) You can join a guild as a F2Per, you just cannot start a guild as a F2Per, or invite to the guild you are in. 2) All forms of play will be open to F2Pers, i.e. non of that SWTOR nonsense of having to buy a 2 week pass to raid, or play the galactic starfighter part, or any of that stuff.
If you end up liking the game sub, if you don't like the game STOP PLAYING IT. If your playing a game just because its free that means your time has no value, your life has no value in other words. Don't waste your life doing something you don't like just because its not costing you anything. As an adult you have choices. That's what growing up is all about, making the right choices with your time.
I said from the first day Smed tried pandering about cash shop gaming there was only one positive.That is it allows a game that would normally not have the player base to look busier,attracting more players.
Personally it is a poor reason to go cash shop,too many negatives.I don't want any free players in my game,it could ruin economy creates a worse global chat and you end up with players in guilds who really are not that interested and only there because it is free.I would rather know all the players i associate with are really there because they love the game and not because it is free.
IMO the whole idea of cash shop gaming is to banter around a FALSE term "FREE".If you need to sell your product with the FREE title then your product needs a lot of help,simple as that.I just deleted 3 f2p titles off my computer,none of them held my interest past 2 days.It is extremely rare that a cash shop game holds my interest,matter of fact almost nothing has held my interest over the last 10 years.Since Wow came about game development and marketing changed a lot,i no longer like the design approach devs are using,everything is cheap and rushed.
If they had of been three games that you initially would have had to pay $15 to play each month, would they have made it to your computer in the first place?
See what I did there?
I don't like the F2P business model either. But there is a very good reason it isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. And that reason is money. The F2P business model reaches a broader market thereby increasing its potential consumer base and resultant bottom line.
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Way to be misinformed, OP.
The F2P seems very reasonable, and I might give it a go at some point, but probably not.
Exactly. Look at EA's definition of f2p.
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
If someone's primary concern about a F2P game is asking: How much can I get for free? It tells me they don't really understand the model or it's drawbacks at all... or they're really poor.
The benefit of the SWTOR model is that for $15 a month you're on an even playing field with everyone else paying $15 a month, as opposed to so many other F2P games where paying $15 a month puts you at a huge disadvantage to the person spending $100 and up a month.
The benefits for SWTOR going F2P are:
1) Star Wars nerds spend hundreds of dollars on cash shop mounts/outfits.
2) People who want to pay less than $15 but not $0 can be monetized.
3) People are far more interested in trying free games than in free trials they know will end in a few days, given how strong SWTOR's low level content is, getting new people through the door is critical to getting them to spend.
4) Free players make the game feel far less dead than with the traditional sub.
5) Given that they're making far more money as F2P there is clearly an advantage.
Great movie, but can that correlate into the gaming industry?
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
I know, i was making a roundabout remark on the fact that free to play games never were and never will be truly free. Just not sure what people expect. Of course like they say, there is a sucker born every minute.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Cuz OP got showed up and won't post in the thread anymore...use your context clues.
Can not tell, talking shit to me, or the op?
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Sorry, I finally got it. Word to my brother!
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
which is wrong, there is plenty of F2P games where you are not forced to spend money to keep up....
Aion & ESO spring to mind off the top of my head, they limit nothing, Aion has boxes you can unlock with keys from a cash shop but you don't require them to play, i was also going to say TERA, but TERA limits the amount of dailies you can do a day etc... ESO you just get boosts basically for having a sub
So your point is......
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
I said from the first day Smed tried pandering about cash shop gaming there was only one positive.That is it allows a game that would normally not have the player base to look busier,attracting more players.
Personally it is a poor reason to go cash shop,too many negatives.I don't want any free players in my game,it could ruin economy creates a worse global chat and you end up with players in guilds who really are not that interested and only there because it is free.I would rather know all the players i associate with are really there because they love the game and not because it is free.
IMO the whole idea of cash shop gaming is to banter around a FALSE term "FREE".If you need to sell your product with the FREE title then your product needs a lot of help,simple as that.I just deleted 3 f2p titles off my computer,none of them held my interest past 2 days.It is extremely rare that a cash shop game holds my interest,matter of fact almost nothing has held my interest over the last 10 years.Since Wow came about game development and marketing changed a lot,i no longer like the design approach devs are using,everything is cheap and rushed.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
You lost me at Smed.
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
are you dense or trying to troll.. my point was made very clear in response to the post i was replying to.
some games are complately free if you do not wish to pay for them, and still let you remain competitive and not hold you back from those who spend money.
What about the three people I know who say different? Maybe, what you think you are saying is just inside of your head.
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
You'll either have to sub or buy DLC for ESO as it comes out.
Wrong, show me a F2P game that doesn't have something you can buy.
The point is its not, by definition free. There is some kind of monetization. Now, whether that is pay 2 win or not is of course game dependant, and each persons opinion of P2W varies. The OP of this article sounded like he was pissed that he couldnt do just about anything in the game without a "pay wall", Which it boils down to is only the one person who creates a guild has to have a sub, that was his big "pay 2 win" issue.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
I disagree. F2P means free access to the servers. That's what f2p has always meant, an alternative to the subscription model.
However, access to certain gameplay features are always up for debate, and that's what the OP was discussing.
In a way, mbrodie is correct, because not all f2p mmos require a payment or block access behind paywalls. In this case, Wildstar seems to be using a paywall to block access to certain features. In my opinion, it's not something to get upset about, unless you really want to create a guild.
p.s. ESO isn't F2P. It's B2P.
Wolfenstein: Enemy territory.
F2P
All the other with shops, monetization, DLC, membership, premium, boosters, skins, graphical overhauls, pets, emotes, insertbullshit here where you throw money at.
= Not F2P
I might aswell say Opensource = F2P
Everything else mostly a joke.
Sway all day, butterfly flaps all the way!
Then you, sir, are utterly blind. Or worse. None of this is true.
Visit an eye doctor or cite your source.
For the genuinely interested: 1) You can join a guild as a F2Per, you just cannot start a guild as a F2Per, or invite to the guild you are in. 2) All forms of play will be open to F2Pers, i.e. non of that SWTOR nonsense of having to buy a 2 week pass to raid, or play the galactic starfighter part, or any of that stuff.
Details:
http://www.wildstar-online.com/uk/news/2015-05-28-wildstar-is-going-free-to-play-heres-all-you-need-to-know/
Ya you know what IM thinking and your right.
Its not free enough for you........
If you end up liking the game sub, if you don't like the game STOP PLAYING IT. If your playing a game just because its free that means your time has no value, your life has no value in other words. Don't waste your life doing something you don't like just because its not costing you anything. As an adult you have choices. That's what growing up is all about, making the right choices with your time.
If they had of been three games that you initially would have had to pay $15 to play each month, would they have made it to your computer in the first place?
See what I did there?
I don't like the F2P business model either. But there is a very good reason it isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. And that reason is money. The F2P business model reaches a broader market thereby increasing its potential consumer base and resultant bottom line.