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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    Sovrath said:
    Originally posted by olepi

    It's kind of a running joke that the government is wasteful, and that private industry is much better at containing costs, etc.

    I was on a high-tech project that had over 200 people for 3 years work on it, before it was canceled. We estimated a loss of $800 million dollars. Teams in the US and Europe worked for years, before somebody realized it just wasn't going to work.

    Waste, mis-management, unrealistic goals, failure to follow progress, rivalries, executives jockeying for position. This happens all the time.

    Was this a "game" project or just something else in technology. Because "wow" what a massive waste! And didn't anyone realize it wasn't going to work? Even at the halfway point?

    Or, was it just research? Because that at least would make some sense.

    Sometimes projects just get into that "too big to fail" zone. Comcast had sunk millions into their "ComTrac" software for the support team. It was slower and had less functionality than the other software they had in place. It was also buggy as crap, but there was no way they werent going to use it after all the money they sank into it. As a result, for years support reps in certain offices had to do their work in duplicate or triplicate for each call as it had to be entered in ComTrac, Remedy and sometimes CableData. Since support reps were measured on whether or not they had documentation in all programs they were using at the time, but not the content of the documentation, it wasn't uncommon for gibberish to be input in to one or more of the programs, just to move on to the next call faster, since Calls Handled was also a quota to meet. 


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  • DarkcrystalDarkcrystal Member UncommonPosts: 963
    edited October 2015

     

    This is definitely worth reading through. A guy that not only worked for Turbine for 2.5 years but has always been an actual LotRO player has thrown caution to the winds and is openly fielding questions about working at Turbine:

     

    http://massivelyop.net/2015/03/04/former-lotro-employee-dishes-out-behind-the-scenes-secrets/

     

    Far too many of us are completely unsurprised by what he's revealed so far. It's pretty much exactly what we expected.

     

     

    Turbine is not a bad company I know for a fact, no matter were you work, you will have people who quit, get fired or what ever talk trash about  a company... So stop with the non sense troll baiting posts already..  Most Q and A people do not know as much as he is stating... Also said he is not an  employee who is mad, right... Yet he is  saying crap on the net..

    I to go around talking trash about a company that I love...  
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247

    This is definitely worth reading through. A guy that not only worked for Turbine for 2.5 years but has always been an actual LotRO player has thrown caution to the winds and is openly fielding questions about working at Turbine:

    http://massivelyop.net/2015/03/04/former-lotro-employee-dishes-out-behind-the-scenes-secrets/

    Far too many of us are completely unsurprised by what he's revealed so far. It's pretty much exactly what we expected.

    Turbine is not a bad company I know for a fact, no matter were you work, you will have people who quit, get fired or what ever talk trash about  a company... So stop with the non sense troll baiting posts already..
    I agree. There's good and bad in every workplace, and a lot of what he points out is just one side of the story. Take everything with a grain of salt.

    Well, except the part about Meghan and Andy being awesome.
    They are. Fact. :) 


    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • DarkcrystalDarkcrystal Member UncommonPosts: 963
    edited October 2015
    Loktofeit said:

    This is definitely worth reading through. A guy that not only worked for Turbine for 2.5 years but has always been an actual LotRO player has thrown caution to the winds and is openly fielding questions about working at Turbine:

    http://massivelyop.net/2015/03/04/former-lotro-employee-dishes-out-behind-the-scenes-secrets/

    Far too many of us are completely unsurprised by what he's revealed so far. It's pretty much exactly what we expected.

    Turbine is not a bad company I know for a fact, no matter were you work, you will have people who quit, get fired or what ever talk trash about  a company... So stop with the non sense troll baiting posts already..
    I agree. There's good and bad in every workplace, and a lot of what he points out is just one side of the story. Take everything with a grain of salt.

    Well, except the part about Meghan and Andy being awesome.
    They are. Fact. :) 


    The issue is, people judge to fast with out hearing the other side...   happens all the time  on this forum... Turbine is a great company to work for, so not sure  what his deal is, try working for EA, which I rather not talk about ...

    But you don't see me posting non sense to some forum or trying to get my name posted on some site to get some attention..

    Today I see Q and A guys  and beta testers trying to bash company's and this is another reasons I would never use people I don't know for those job's..


    I feel some gamers/people are trying to ruin the gaming industry, its bad enough we have Hilary Clinton wanting games to go away since she feels all gun violence is from games, so we have these other idiots.

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member RarePosts: 4,303
    rodarin said:

    Lifetime subs turned out to be the best investment ever in the history of MMOs. say what you want but lifers are really the ones populating that game right now. They also helped bump up sub numbers as well I am sure. But they basically pay you to own the game. I have more TP than I will ever spend, unless they start putting out paid expansions twice a year.

    Lifetime subs crippled Turbine long term.  It was a short term vision for the game.
  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,756
    edited October 2015
    rodarin said:

    Lifetime subs turned out to be the best investment ever in the history of MMOs. say what you want but lifers are really the ones populating that game right now. They also helped bump up sub numbers as well I am sure. But they basically pay you to own the game. I have more TP than I will ever spend, unless they start putting out paid expansions twice a year.

    Lifetime subs crippled Turbine long term.  It was a short term vision for the game.
    Nope, it was simply a different era with different mindset... you can have lifer offer in the f2p world (STO for example is a pretty nice deal, without "hurting" Cryptic's pocket), but for LotRO the many LTAs became a "dead"weight after the switch - and on the other side, as @rodarin says, it became an awesome deal for the lifers (for those at least, who stayed)

    At first Turbine tried to "strip" their stipends (expansions, convenience services) but since in their model everything is account-wide and a one-time purchase, they couldn't keep the pace... and also diminished their sub numbers meantime, with almost no subscriber benefits left after a couple of years. But LTAs stayed, since they have the game fo' life :lol:

    I think somewhere around Helm's Deep Turbine "accepted" the situation, and started to raise the value of sub again, which is of course great for the LTAs (no content purchase needed since beornings, most lifers are sitting on piles of 10-15k TP or more), but that's just a side-effect, it's aimed for the actual, month-to-month subscribers.

    Agree that first line (was stated several times before), LotRO's LTA was the best investment ever - and it's still getting better as time goes :wink: 
  • rodarinrodarin Member RarePosts: 2,465
    What crippled Lotro happened before release.

    NOT having both sides playable in the openworld was the first major mistake. The whole excuse that the creep side were just mndless drones never flew with anyone with a brain. It was simply Turbine wasnt big enough to handle this title the right way from the get go.

    Also no mass PvP zones. Moors in its day (the first 3 months of release) maybe some of the best PvP experiences and battle ever seen. But whining and crying and complaints ruined it within 6 months and it hasnt been really any good since. But it turned into a community within a community where it was mostly life time subs who all knew each other and most played both side.

    The game simply never lived up to te vision of what many thought it should. It did get better in some ways but much worse in others. At this point it is bsically on auto pilot. Yeah they release new content but its so easy and so quick to get through it is little more than a 3 day diversion from the usual grind of whatever skirmish/instance is getting farmed.

    I still pop in every month or so and spin around on a couple guys but the 'accomplishment' aspect of the game disappeared a long time ago. While there are technically 'accomplishments' within the game theyre not really a challenge just something based on how much time you spend in the game. There really isnt anything to play 'for' other than to waste time or 'enjoyment'. Which at this point other games fill that void much better.

    But that is the issue with every MMO out there, they all just another game. And none are trying to be 'special' because special is too expensive and too much of a gamble and all the developers are too scared to spend money on awesome things not knowing if they will ever get it back.

    Besides F2P is doing fine for anything even remotely playable. And the 'new' battle zone arena hunger game type instances are where its at. Which is ironic since Moors would have been a perfect environment for whats going on now. Except in a 'traditional' MMO  eliminating players and having a last man standing wasnt the goal.
  • olepiolepi Member UncommonPosts: 1,282
    Sovrath said:
    Originally posted by olepi

    It's kind of a running joke that the government is wasteful, and that private industry is much better at containing costs, etc.

    I was on a high-tech project that had over 200 people for 3 years work on it, before it was canceled. We estimated a loss of $800 million dollars. Teams in the US and Europe worked for years, before somebody realized it just wasn't going to work.

    Waste, mis-management, unrealistic goals, failure to follow progress, rivalries, executives jockeying for position. This happens all the time.

    Was this a "game" project or just something else in technology. Because "wow" what a massive waste! And didn't anyone realize it wasn't going to work? Even at the halfway point?

    Or, was it just research? Because that at least would make some sense.

    Not to necro the thread, but I realize I never answered this.

    The project was a piece of hardware that included multiple chips. I work in the chip industry. We had teams in Munich, London, Chicago, Phoenix, Paris, and Austin.  I quit after realizing it would never work, but the company continued on for another year before deciding it would never work.

    Multiple chip teams, CAD teams, software teams, and many many layers of management. All for nothing,

    And that's not even the biggest failure for this company!

    ------------
    2019: 42 years on the Net.


  • flizzerflizzer Member RarePosts: 2,415
    Po_gg said:
    rodarin said:

    Lifetime subs turned out to be the best investment ever in the history of MMOs. say what you want but lifers are really the ones populating that game right now. They also helped bump up sub numbers as well I am sure. But they basically pay you to own the game. I have more TP than I will ever spend, unless they start putting out paid expansions twice a year.

    Lifetime subs crippled Turbine long term.  It was a short term vision for the game.
    Nope, it was simply a different era with different mindset... you can have lifer offer in the f2p world (STO for example is a pretty nice deal, without "hurting" Cryptic's pocket), but for LotRO the many LTAs became a "dead"weight after the switch - and on the other side, as @rodarin says, it became an awesome deal for the lifers (for those at least, who stayed)

    At first Turbine tried to "strip" their stipends (expansions, convenience services) but since in their model everything is account-wide and a one-time purchase, they couldn't keep the pace... and also diminished their sub numbers meantime, with almost no subscriber benefits left after a couple of years. But LTAs stayed, since they have the game fo' life :lol:

    I think somewhere around Helm's Deep Turbine "accepted" the situation, and started to raise the value of sub again, which is of course great for the LTAs (no content purchase needed since beornings, most lifers are sitting on piles of 10-15k TP or more), but that's just a side-effect, it's aimed for the actual, month-to-month subscribers.

    Agree that first line (was stated several times before), LotRO's LTA was the best investment ever - and it's still getting better as time goes :wink: 
    Have to agree with the great deal us lifers have with LOTRO.  I remember hesitating for weeks, mulling over whether it was worth it, before I bought the life time back in 2008.  Best MMO purchase I have made possibly. Ive taken extended breaks from the game and have had Turbine Points pile up for me.  Now without formal expansions, I have tons of points to spend on anything I want or just cosmetic items.  Even years later I love coming back to the game and playing again.   No doubt I will be in game until the last orc is gone.  
  • JaedorJaedor Member UncommonPosts: 1,173
    Yeah I certainly wish I was one of the lucky folks who've won a LTA over the years. Back when it was offered, I was too new to the game to feel like it was a good investment, but now I wish... :)
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,552
    I think the only real obvious picture to be painted is that f2p is NOT something developers want,it is something to fake success and pretend it is a good viable option when in reality it is their ONLY option.

    Also noted is strife within a business,we just went through this with SC and most seem to favor no cover up everything is all roses when anyone with have sense would know there is always strife within.

    The people at the top making usually too much money,favor corner cutting in game design if it means spending less and more profits and bonuses for themselves.It should NEVER be a secret to anyone that greed is  everywhere and instill's lying,manipulating and putting on a mask/fake face.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

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