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I'm actually glad EQN is unlikely to be released
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It is easy when you just make up numbers, but you have cost of employees, cost to develop, space to house game, continued development costs. What makes you so sure it can get 10 million in profit...and when will that 10 million in profit start, considering they probably have to make up the 100 million to develop and the pay of those employees over that time.
Vanilla EQ was a great game for its time but under no circumstances would it hold up to today's standards. People just aren't going to tolerate sitting in one spot pulling and grinding for hours and hours so you can be a purist all you want but THAT GAME would not be successful.
However, slower leveling, harsh death penalties, harder game play, strongly encourage if not required grouping, at least for most content, yes these are all things that have been greatly lacking in current MMOs. EQN had/has the opportunity to bring all that back while eliminating the things about EQ that weren't any fun or were down right boring. That is why I was looking forward to it.
Honestly, EQN is about the only upcoming fantasy MMO I was really looking forward to so if it doesn't come out, I guess the MMORPG market is truly dead.
Couldn't agree more....
The way mmo's were: Community, Exploration, Character Development, Conquest.
The way mmo's are now : Cut-Scenes,Cut-Scenes, solo Questing, Cut-Scenes...
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Some people got screwed. How is that not business as usual?
I would argue that the key to WoW's long term success is more based upon that Blizzard's fans are playing the game and many have huge times investments into their characters at this point. Every other game that attempted to cash in on the themepark experience as delivered by Blizzard has gone from P2P to F2P. Why would anyone who remotely enjoys WoW play something that is similar to WoW when they can just play WoW itself?
I would say that there is stagnation in the genre, but I also feel your "glut" comment is spot on as well. FF XIV seems to be doing pretty well for itself and I would say that it's a very traditional themepark mmo. I also feel that there is a lot of brand power there as well since Final Fantasy is one of the most popular game franchises in the world. Ironically, FF XIV feels more like a classic FF game than anything that's come out from that franchise recently.
However, I do feel that the idea behind EQN is a good one, if it could deliver on what we have been told. Calling it EQN is a bit of a double edged sword though. The EQ name has a lot of nostalgia and emotion for many people, and since EQN is so divergent from what EQ1 and 2 are, well there is a ton of backlash. However, you also can't blame them for wanting to use brand recognition in order to push a new mmo. If EQN had been presented as a completely new IP, the backlash might not have been as great as it has been.
I do hope that EQN is able to be salvaged and released, if not as EQN, then hopefully many of the ideas behind it can be brought forth via a new game. The emergent gameplay ideas and even the storybricks ideas are good ones.
OMFG.. Where did I say those numbers are real? They were hypothetical numbers to illustrate an example.. Grrrr /facepalm
FYI.. I"m sure EQN will have static locations where groups can FARM content as well.. now what?
Not really. They could have still used Storybricks which is what most people find interesting about EQN ( not voxels. Bad idea and ugly IMO ). The previous art style they were using would have been really something to experience but now we are stuck with Free Realms Next / DisneyQuest.
As an example.
you illustrated nothing because there is no idea that a game could make 10 million. You make the assumption all games can make money. Then you jump to the assumption all games can make profit. Which is a lie or everyone would be making games. So yes /facepalm
FF XIV is actually a well done modernized themepark mmo on top of the brand recognition, that is why it is succeeding. Anyone burn out of themepark will get bored of the game though.
As for EQNext, the dev have been clear since day one that they didn't want to cannibalize the two other games playerbase. This played a role in their design decisions. Also, I personally prefer EQNext lore over EQ1/2. Might be because I actually know a lot more about it than for the other two games ...and I play EQ2.
I also get the feeling that they are trying to do the Everquest game they always wanted to do and by that I mean that they seems to be finally able to create the faction system with consequence they always wanted to make and really have ever questing via the AI.
This is the direction I think they'll take the franchise, some serous money to be made in mobile apps still and the EQ IP could really push a title in that space to the top.
As for EQN, I think it will shift direction some, with a look towards being developed more towards making a solid profit rather than push any creative design envelopes.
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Have to agree.
Also Wow has made changes since it launched. While the changes are much smaller, it has changed. EQ is just going for a much bigger change which is what this genre needs. Art style is questionable, but the ideas are good.
i could 100% guarantee that half the people saying they want the old 6 hrs grinding one mob will be bored and move on after a month or two. Going back and reliving nostalgic moments are great, but after a while you get bored and move forward again. The game would launch, be a hit for a while, then fade into the background once people have had their fill.
To comment above i doubt they would go for mobile, i heard the other platforms they where talking about where consoles.
Really? Why do you care if a game gets released or not? It's not really that well known a franchise to have it's reputation tarnished anyway as the majority of gamers nowadays probably never even heard of it. I'd wager that most of those that have heard of old school Everquest probably don't care, have moved on, are hoping for Pantheon to be good, or are still playing Everquest. I don't really see how the outcome of Everquest Next effects them in any way that they'd actually want the game to die before it is even released.
I think it says quite a bit about you when you want a game you don't like to fail.
They've moved away from the spirit of the franchise in more ways than those though. The entire focus of the game seems to be a departure, considering EQ wasn't a sandbox. It would seem kinda silly to me, if graphics alone would make people feel different on this subject, as that's just what it looks like, not how it plays or what mechanics they use.
@ Phry, I don't exactly disagree, I was referring to the theme of the current MMO scape right now, if it's not something new, it's more of the same old rehashes.. I'd agree with those who want more rehashes, as that's the type of games I liked early on as well namely SWG... However, I'd be lumped with the rest of those who many would say need to move forward and stop living in the past.
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That is the most absurd logic i've ever read. That's like saying you should stay with an abusive partner because at some point in the future they might not be abusive and start treating you properly. No, the smart thing to do is GTFO, not bank on a stupidly small chance that things MIGHT, MAYBE change in the future, especially when they've given you literally 0 indication or evidence to suspect otherwise.
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The fact that you think whats going to happen when they "leverage the IP" is going to be a good thing is mind boggling. Enjoy your EQ Farmville game, i'm sure you will extract great joy out of it.
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Im really getting tired of this. The vast majority of EQ vets recognize that there were a great many bad things about EQ and things that would not work in modern MMO's. Not many people are here asking for EQ1 with better graphics.
What most of us want, is what you mentioned. We agree with you 100% that things like harsher death penalties, harder gameplay, strongly encouraged grouping, etc, are the things missing that need to be brought back.
The other reality was very few people "sat in the same spot grinding for hours". Generally that only happened if someone was extremely bored, was having extreme difficulty finding a group, or was trying to camp an item for one reason or another.
And i'm sorry but if you believed that EQN was going to bring back any of those things you are sadly sadly mistaken. The game was being made to appeal to as broad of an audience as possible, and that means faceroll easy gameplay, stupid mechanics that DONT encourage grouping, solo gameplay heavily incentivized.
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I had to read your OP again to make sure I wasn't missing something. It seems I got th wrong impression. I thought you'd have wanted some sort of "EQ3" so I was pointing out that for that to happen, because development requires funding, EQN could provide extra funds to make that happen. As it stands now CN has promoted the release of EQN so I can only assume the terms of the buyout included funds to continue its development, which I doubt includes" reimagining" it into EQ3, which would cost even more money and DGC would have to show a higher potential of profit. That model is over saturated in the genre to begin with, not to mention cannabalising the playerbases from EQ/EQ2.
You seem to want it closed simply because of an emotional attachment to what you consider "EQ" and how EQN insults that. I hope I am wrong because it's a view both selfish and immature IMO. More jobs would be lost, the current EQ titles would not improve because of it (even if EQN revenues didn't get transfered), and people who would have liked EQN would never know. I hope I misunderstood.
You don't know this and if they are indeed going for as broad a playerbase they would include more difficult content, or scaled content since scaling is something seen in EQ2 and I believe EQ currently. Will it have easier solo content? Of course as a lot of players enjoy that (not me, I prefer group content). An other thing to consider is that SB is supposed to make turning up difficulty easier and make it more complex. Not only numerical difficulty but behavioral by reactions.
I'm sorry you could not see the forest through the trees. It never was about bringing back the experience you got in EQ, it was about driving the genre in a direction that made sense just like the original vision of EQ. This is the game that EQ probably should have been but couldn't be because technology just wasn't in place yet.
Do any of the people here expecting EQN to see the light of day know how VC firms run? At all?
No venture capital firm is going to sit around and fund a the development of an MMO for years, for some theoretical payoff at the end.
They want a return on their investment NOW. (Because otherwise, they could have bought something else that would generate revenue.)
They bought SOE because they get H1Z1 (which is almost finished) and the revenue it generates, and revenue from the other old MMOs SOE has, and that they got the whole deal for a cheap price (remember that $60 mil writedown that SOE just took?).
VC firms cut costs to the bone to drive up earnings, squeeze all the cash they can get from dying companies, and then sell what is left for whatever they can get.
Don't expect anything different here.