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  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,601
    Originally posted by Gorwe

    ...well LoTR itself was a joint venture was it not ;) ? The FELLOWSHIP of the ring... ;) ?

    and what an inbalanced (and also buffed to almost exploit-ish magnitude) fellowship... a tank who only cares about his master, a cappy with a low will (but at least uses IDoME right and also dies well), a typical, text-book hunter, and champ (even though his bark is two-handed, so not perfectly from the text-books... any decent champ uses dual-wield, for a better shing-shing ;) ). And 3 hobbitses just for the fun. Not even a dedicated healer.

    BUT, then there's the exploit-like buff, they have an istari (seriously? almost like having a GM in the fellowship), and a ranger - we do know from the Etten how OP a ranger can be :)

  • LovelockeLovelocke Member UncommonPosts: 14

    Well I saw this thread and thought I would give the game a go. I've not even got in the game yet and I'm already not impressed - the installer says "game ready to play", but then it loads another window and starts downloading more files. I know it's only a little thing, but already feel lied to...

    Also, the payment structure of this game looks like a complete and utter mess. I read earlier in this thread that by subbing you'll have no restrictions. But on the VIP subscription page, there's this small print: "*Helm's Deep™, Riders of Rohan™, Rise of Isengard™, Mines of Moria™ and Siege of Mirkwood™ are not included" - so it seems subbing doesn't unrestrict all content, and looks more like a version of Rift's Patron system.

    The wording in the copy puts me off too - for the quad expansion it says "all expansions for xxx", but this doesn't include Helms Deep, so it's not "all expansions" but rather a portion of them.

    I know I may be being a bit picky, but after dancing with Trion with ArcheAge I'm very cautious about the games I play. I do not want to play a game that'll be riddled with extra DLC, or parts locked off unless I fork out more and more money on top of a subscription. 

    It's free to try, so I'm going to try it, but my initial view of the game is it's a mess.

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,624
    Originally posted by Lovelocke

    Well I saw this thread and thought I would give the game a go. I've not even got in the game yet and I'm already not impressed - the installer says "game ready to play", but then it loads another window and starts downloading more files. I know it's only a little thing, but already feel lied to...

    Also, the payment structure of this game looks like a complete and utter mess. I read earlier in this thread that by subbing you'll have no restrictions. But on the VIP subscription page, there's this small print: "*Helm's Deep™, Riders of Rohan™, Rise of Isengard™, Mines of Moria™ and Siege of Mirkwood™ are not included" - so it seems subbing doesn't unrestrict all content, and looks more like a version of Rift's Patron system.

    The wording in the copy puts me off too - for the quad expansion it says "all expansions for xxx", but this doesn't include Helms Deep, so it's not "all expansions" but rather a portion of them.

    I know I may be being a bit picky, but after dancing with Trion with ArcheAge I'm very cautious about the games I play. I do not want to play a game that'll be riddled with extra DLC, or parts locked off unless I fork out more and more money on top of a subscription. 

    It's free to try, so I'm going to try it, but my initial view of the game is it's a mess.

     

    Actually its the best F2P system of any MMo out there...   As long as you realise nothing in this world is free..

     

    You get the first 30 levels for free, allmost unrestricted, during that time you can earn ingame store points for those little things you need...

     

    And after level 30 you need to pay for the content, weather in expansion packs, or questpacks.   Which actually seems rather fair to me..  If you buy all the content you need, there is no reason to subscribe.

     

    If you want to play the whole game for free, be prepared to invest a whole lot of time, as you need to do all the little deeds and other things that give you free storepoints... but it is still possible.. Just takes dedication and an awfull lot of time.

     

    Otherwise, be prepared to pay a little fee once in a while... nothing bad, as long as you realise its not a free game.

     

     

     

     

     

    Sadly with your current mindset, i guess your game experience is doomed to fail... just try to enjoy the game step by step, get pas the intro and venture into the world enjoying the quests and story it has to tell...

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,601
    Originally posted by Lovelocke
     

    Lord.B was faster and with a bit stingy reply :) I'd rather answer your concerns instead:

    Installer: I guess you picked the HappyCloud option for the download. It's an option of convenience (lot of games have this, like your later mentioned Rift). You quickly download the intro part of the game (hence the: ready to play), and while you're creating your character and playing through the tutorial, the client downloads the rest of the game in the background. There's no lie in it, you can jump into the game pretty fast, and if you like you still can choose the original method and download the full client first.

     

    Subbing unlocks every restriction. But that doesn't include the expansions, like in most MMOs. You mentioned Rift, in there you don't get the SL souls with the Patron either.

    Also worth mentioning you "only" don't get the quests and deeds in the expansions (only in brackets, since those are the most important part of them). You can play the expansions for free, level there via the Story quest line (which is free to everyone) or by slaying mobs, can gather and craft there, you get all the mechanics added with them (for example you can use Lengendary Items even if you don't buy the Moria expansion), etc.

     

    Quad pack vs. All - that's true, and if I said "All", then I apologise. Quad pack was introduced before HD, and had all the expansions in one bundle. After HD launch it went on sale frequently. And since no more expansions were released after HD, I guess there was no urge to them for slap HD in it, to  bundle them into a "penta-pack". Also on the Market it's fixed, and says "All four award-winning expansions" - since HD wasn't awarded, it's not included :)

  • BoneserinoBoneserino Member UncommonPosts: 1,764
    Originally posted by Lovelocke

    Well I saw this thread and thought I would give the game a go. I've not even got in the game yet and I'm already not impressed - the installer says "game ready to play", but then it loads another window and starts downloading more files. I know it's only a little thing, but already feel lied to...

    Also, the payment structure of this game looks like a complete and utter mess. I read earlier in this thread that by subbing you'll have no restrictions. But on the VIP subscription page, there's this small print: "*Helm's Deep™, Riders of Rohan™, Rise of Isengard™, Mines of Moria™ and Siege of Mirkwood™ are not included" - so it seems subbing doesn't unrestrict all content, and looks more like a version of Rift's Patron system.

    The wording in the copy puts me off too - for the quad expansion it says "all expansions for xxx", but this doesn't include Helms Deep, so it's not "all expansions" but rather a portion of them.

    I know I may be being a bit picky, but after dancing with Trion with ArcheAge I'm very cautious about the games I play. I do not want to play a game that'll be riddled with extra DLC, or parts locked off unless I fork out more and more money on top of a subscription. 

    It's free to try, so I'm going to try it, but my initial view of the game is it's a mess.

    Oh please don't bother.

     

    After what you just said.... LOL

     

    Lied to by a loading screen,,,,,,hahaha thats hilarious! image

     

    FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!

  • LovelockeLovelocke Member UncommonPosts: 14
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Originally posted by Lovelocke

    Well I saw this thread and thought I would give the game a go. I've not even got in the game yet and I'm already not impressed - the installer says "game ready to play", but then it loads another window and starts downloading more files. I know it's only a little thing, but already feel lied to...

    Also, the payment structure of this game looks like a complete and utter mess. I read earlier in this thread that by subbing you'll have no restrictions. But on the VIP subscription page, there's this small print: "*Helm's Deep™, Riders of Rohan™, Rise of Isengard™, Mines of Moria™ and Siege of Mirkwood™ are not included" - so it seems subbing doesn't unrestrict all content, and looks more like a version of Rift's Patron system.

    The wording in the copy puts me off too - for the quad expansion it says "all expansions for xxx", but this doesn't include Helms Deep, so it's not "all expansions" but rather a portion of them.

    I know I may be being a bit picky, but after dancing with Trion with ArcheAge I'm very cautious about the games I play. I do not want to play a game that'll be riddled with extra DLC, or parts locked off unless I fork out more and more money on top of a subscription. 

    It's free to try, so I'm going to try it, but my initial view of the game is it's a mess.

     

    Actually its the best F2P system of any MMo out there...   As long as you realise nothing in this world is free..

     

    You get the first 30 levels for free, allmost unrestricted, during that time you can earn ingame store points for those little things you need...

     

    And after level 30 you need to pay for the content, weather in expansion packs, or questpacks.   Which actually seems rather fair to me..  If you buy all the content you need, there is no reason to subscribe.

     

    If you want to play the whole game for free, be prepared to invest a whole lot of time, as you need to do all the little deeds and other things that give you free storepoints... but it is still possible.. Just takes dedication and an awfull lot of time.

     

    Otherwise, be prepared to pay a little fee once in a while... nothing bad, as long as you realise its not a free game.

     

     

     

     

     

    Sadly with your current mindset, i guess your game experience is doomed to fail... just try to enjoy the game step by step, get pas the intro and venture into the world enjoying the quests and story it has to tell...

    Thanks for the reply.

    I'm not expecting to play a game for free - I'm an ESO subscriber, and I've also put a fair bit of money into Rift and Guild Wars 2. But on these games, the payment structure is quite straightforward. My concern with LOTRO is that it's not clear from the myriad of pages, and the contradictory copy, about what you're actually getting with the money you spend. There's expansions, VIP, store points, more content unlocks (steeds?); and after reading these pages I've walked away unsure and unclear about exactly what I'm paying for (and what I need to pay for).

    And regarding your comment about my current mindset; this has unfortunately come about from LOTRO themselves; I actually felt quite hopeful from reading the opening post to this thread, you made the game sound really good. But after spending some time on the LOTRO website, I left feeling concerned, and cautious to proceed.

  • BoneserinoBoneserino Member UncommonPosts: 1,764
    Originally posted by Lovelocke
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Originally posted by Lovelocke

    Well I saw this thread and thought I would give the game a go. I've not even got in the game yet and I'm already not impressed - the installer says "game ready to play", but then it loads another window and starts downloading more files. I know it's only a little thing, but already feel lied to...

    Also, the payment structure of this game looks like a complete and utter mess. I read earlier in this thread that by subbing you'll have no restrictions. But on the VIP subscription page, there's this small print: "*Helm's Deep™, Riders of Rohan™, Rise of Isengard™, Mines of Moria™ and Siege of Mirkwood™ are not included" - so it seems subbing doesn't unrestrict all content, and looks more like a version of Rift's Patron system.

    The wording in the copy puts me off too - for the quad expansion it says "all expansions for xxx", but this doesn't include Helms Deep, so it's not "all expansions" but rather a portion of them.

    I know I may be being a bit picky, but after dancing with Trion with ArcheAge I'm very cautious about the games I play. I do not want to play a game that'll be riddled with extra DLC, or parts locked off unless I fork out more and more money on top of a subscription. 

    It's free to try, so I'm going to try it, but my initial view of the game is it's a mess.

     

    Actually its the best F2P system of any MMo out there...   As long as you realise nothing in this world is free..

     

    You get the first 30 levels for free, allmost unrestricted, during that time you can earn ingame store points for those little things you need...

     

    And after level 30 you need to pay for the content, weather in expansion packs, or questpacks.   Which actually seems rather fair to me..  If you buy all the content you need, there is no reason to subscribe.

     

    If you want to play the whole game for free, be prepared to invest a whole lot of time, as you need to do all the little deeds and other things that give you free storepoints... but it is still possible.. Just takes dedication and an awfull lot of time.

     

    Otherwise, be prepared to pay a little fee once in a while... nothing bad, as long as you realise its not a free game.

     

     

     

     

     

    Sadly with your current mindset, i guess your game experience is doomed to fail... just try to enjoy the game step by step, get pas the intro and venture into the world enjoying the quests and story it has to tell...

    Thanks for the reply.

    I'm not expecting to play a game for free - I'm an ESO subscriber, and I've also put a fair bit of money into Rift and Guild Wars 2. But on these games, the payment structure is quite straightforward. My concern with LOTRO is that it's not clear from the myriad of pages, and the contradictory copy, about what you're actually getting with the money you spend. There's expansions, VIP, store points, more content unlocks (steeds?); and after reading these pages I've walked away unsure and unclear about exactly what I'm paying for (and what I need to pay for).

    And regarding your comment about my current mindset; this has unfortunately come about from LOTRO themselves; I actually felt quite hopeful from reading the opening post to this thread, you made the game sound really good. But after spending some time on the LOTRO website, I left feeling concerned, and cautious to proceed.

    It is exactly like he said.

    If you are cautious about spending money then just walk away.  The market is a bit intrusive in the game and you need to get past that.   After the first 30 free levels you will know if you like the game or not anyway.

    I enjoyed the game and when it came to a point where I had to spend money I did.  I even bought the four pack of expansions for 20 bucks and haven't used them.  Stupid me but actually don't feel bad for having supported this game.  I got my moneys worth and I can always go back.

     

     

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  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,601
    Originally posted by Boneserino

    I enjoyed the game and when it came to a point where I had to spend money I did.  I even bought the four pack of expansions for 20 bucks and haven't used them.  Stupid me but actually don't feel bad for having supported this game.  I got my moneys worth and I can always go back.

    Not to mention (as I wrote last year too, when it was first offered at that low) 20 bucks is almost a steal for it :) True, it's not a new stuff, but at launch even the base packs were 30 bucks each, and now you get four of them (with half of the game, since lvl50-85 content is close in magnitude to lvl1-50), plus steeds, cosmetics, 2 character slots, and the Moria classes.

    Btw when there's no discount in the store, just the warden+rk+2 character slots costs more than 20 bucks, without any expansions on top.

  • Tasslehoff35Tasslehoff35 Member UncommonPosts: 962
    Originally posted by Lovelocke
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Originally posted by Lovelocke

    Well I saw this thread and thought I would give the game a go. I've not even got in the game yet and I'm already not impressed - the installer says "game ready to play", but then it loads another window and starts downloading more files. I know it's only a little thing, but already feel lied to...

    Also, the payment structure of this game looks like a complete and utter mess. I read earlier in this thread that by subbing you'll have no restrictions. But on the VIP subscription page, there's this small print: "*Helm's Deep™, Riders of Rohan™, Rise of Isengard™, Mines of Moria™ and Siege of Mirkwood™ are not included" - so it seems subbing doesn't unrestrict all content, and looks more like a version of Rift's Patron system.

    The wording in the copy puts me off too - for the quad expansion it says "all expansions for xxx", but this doesn't include Helms Deep, so it's not "all expansions" but rather a portion of them.

    I know I may be being a bit picky, but after dancing with Trion with ArcheAge I'm very cautious about the games I play. I do not want to play a game that'll be riddled with extra DLC, or parts locked off unless I fork out more and more money on top of a subscription. 

    It's free to try, so I'm going to try it, but my initial view of the game is it's a mess.

     

    Actually its the best F2P system of any MMo out there...   As long as you realise nothing in this world is free..

     

    You get the first 30 levels for free, allmost unrestricted, during that time you can earn ingame store points for those little things you need...

     

    And after level 30 you need to pay for the content, weather in expansion packs, or questpacks.   Which actually seems rather fair to me..  If you buy all the content you need, there is no reason to subscribe.

     

    If you want to play the whole game for free, be prepared to invest a whole lot of time, as you need to do all the little deeds and other things that give you free storepoints... but it is still possible.. Just takes dedication and an awfull lot of time.

     

    Otherwise, be prepared to pay a little fee once in a while... nothing bad, as long as you realise its not a free game.

     

     

     

     

     

    Sadly with your current mindset, i guess your game experience is doomed to fail... just try to enjoy the game step by step, get pas the intro and venture into the world enjoying the quests and story it has to tell...

    Thanks for the reply.

    I'm not expecting to play a game for free - I'm an ESO subscriber, and I've also put a fair bit of money into Rift and Guild Wars 2. But on these games, the payment structure is quite straightforward. My concern with LOTRO is that it's not clear from the myriad of pages, and the contradictory copy, about what you're actually getting with the money you spend. There's expansions, VIP, store points, more content unlocks (steeds?); and after reading these pages I've walked away unsure and unclear about exactly what I'm paying for (and what I need to pay for).

    And regarding your comment about my current mindset; this has unfortunately come about from LOTRO themselves; I actually felt quite hopeful from reading the opening post to this thread, you made the game sound really good. But after spending some time on the LOTRO website, I left feeling concerned, and cautious to proceed.

     

    Oh come on...after reading your comments it's clear you are here to derail this thread. So you say you sub to ESO?  What exactly do you get from subbing to ESO?  Well once you answer that you will get your answer to what you get when you sub to Lotro.  The fact you think you would get all the "PAID EXPANSIONS" because you sub is ridiculous, nobody who ever played an MMORPG would honestly think that.  Which if you want my honest opinion proves you are using an alt account in an attempt to derail and bash lotro...
  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916
    Originally posted by Lovelocke
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Originally posted by Lovelocke

    Well I saw this thread and thought I would give the game a go. I've not even got in the game yet and I'm already not impressed - the installer says "game ready to play", but then it loads another window and starts downloading more files. I know it's only a little thing, but already feel lied to...

    Also, the payment structure of this game looks like a complete and utter mess. I read earlier in this thread that by subbing you'll have no restrictions. But on the VIP subscription page, there's this small print: "*Helm's Deep™, Riders of Rohan™, Rise of Isengard™, Mines of Moria™ and Siege of Mirkwood™ are not included" - so it seems subbing doesn't unrestrict all content, and looks more like a version of Rift's Patron system.

    The wording in the copy puts me off too - for the quad expansion it says "all expansions for xxx", but this doesn't include Helms Deep, so it's not "all expansions" but rather a portion of them.

    I know I may be being a bit picky, but after dancing with Trion with ArcheAge I'm very cautious about the games I play. I do not want to play a game that'll be riddled with extra DLC, or parts locked off unless I fork out more and more money on top of a subscription. 

    It's free to try, so I'm going to try it, but my initial view of the game is it's a mess.

     

    Actually its the best F2P system of any MMo out there...   As long as you realise nothing in this world is free..

     

    You get the first 30 levels for free, allmost unrestricted, during that time you can earn ingame store points for those little things you need...

     

    And after level 30 you need to pay for the content, weather in expansion packs, or questpacks.   Which actually seems rather fair to me..  If you buy all the content you need, there is no reason to subscribe.

     

    If you want to play the whole game for free, be prepared to invest a whole lot of time, as you need to do all the little deeds and other things that give you free storepoints... but it is still possible.. Just takes dedication and an awfull lot of time.

     

    Otherwise, be prepared to pay a little fee once in a while... nothing bad, as long as you realise its not a free game.

     

     

     

     

     

    Sadly with your current mindset, i guess your game experience is doomed to fail... just try to enjoy the game step by step, get pas the intro and venture into the world enjoying the quests and story it has to tell...

    Thanks for the reply.

    I'm not expecting to play a game for free - I'm an ESO subscriber, and I've also put a fair bit of money into Rift and Guild Wars 2. But on these games, the payment structure is quite straightforward. My concern with LOTRO is that it's not clear from the myriad of pages, and the contradictory copy, about what you're actually getting with the money you spend. There's expansions, VIP, store points, more content unlocks (steeds?); and after reading these pages I've walked away unsure and unclear about exactly what I'm paying for (and what I need to pay for).

    And regarding your comment about my current mindset; this has unfortunately come about from LOTRO themselves; I actually felt quite hopeful from reading the opening post to this thread, you made the game sound really good. But after spending some time on the LOTRO website, I left feeling concerned, and cautious to proceed.

    What is so confusing? A subcription gives you access to everything but the 5 expansions the game has. The expansions come into play from level 50 onwards. You need to buy the expansions.

    4 of the expansions are bundled in one pack for $20 and the latest expansion costs $20. On a sale you can get them even cheaper.

    Basically all the expansions cost $40 if they are not on sale. But then again you don't need them till you are level 50.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 7,962
    Originally posted by fivoroth

    A subcription gives you access to everything but the 5 expansions the game has.

    This is definitely not true. There are many things that are store exclusive and can't be obtained in game, and a few more that are only available in game through a grind which makes winning the lottery appear as an easy thing.

    That wouldn't be too bad if it was only cosmetic stuff, but it isn't.

    Even with a subscription, LOTRO is still "pay to win". And that's sad.

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  • LovelockeLovelocke Member UncommonPosts: 14
    Originally posted by Tasslehoff35
    Originally posted by Lovelocke
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Originally posted by Lovelocke

    Well I saw this thread and thought I would give the game a go. I've not even got in the game yet and I'm already not impressed - the installer says "game ready to play", but then it loads another window and starts downloading more files. I know it's only a little thing, but already feel lied to...

    Also, the payment structure of this game looks like a complete and utter mess. I read earlier in this thread that by subbing you'll have no restrictions. But on the VIP subscription page, there's this small print: "*Helm's Deep™, Riders of Rohan™, Rise of Isengard™, Mines of Moria™ and Siege of Mirkwood™ are not included" - so it seems subbing doesn't unrestrict all content, and looks more like a version of Rift's Patron system.

    The wording in the copy puts me off too - for the quad expansion it says "all expansions for xxx", but this doesn't include Helms Deep, so it's not "all expansions" but rather a portion of them.

    I know I may be being a bit picky, but after dancing with Trion with ArcheAge I'm very cautious about the games I play. I do not want to play a game that'll be riddled with extra DLC, or parts locked off unless I fork out more and more money on top of a subscription. 

    It's free to try, so I'm going to try it, but my initial view of the game is it's a mess.

     

    Actually its the best F2P system of any MMo out there...   As long as you realise nothing in this world is free..

     

    You get the first 30 levels for free, allmost unrestricted, during that time you can earn ingame store points for those little things you need...

     

    And after level 30 you need to pay for the content, weather in expansion packs, or questpacks.   Which actually seems rather fair to me..  If you buy all the content you need, there is no reason to subscribe.

     

    If you want to play the whole game for free, be prepared to invest a whole lot of time, as you need to do all the little deeds and other things that give you free storepoints... but it is still possible.. Just takes dedication and an awfull lot of time.

     

    Otherwise, be prepared to pay a little fee once in a while... nothing bad, as long as you realise its not a free game.

     

     

     

     

     

    Sadly with your current mindset, i guess your game experience is doomed to fail... just try to enjoy the game step by step, get pas the intro and venture into the world enjoying the quests and story it has to tell...

    Thanks for the reply.

    I'm not expecting to play a game for free - I'm an ESO subscriber, and I've also put a fair bit of money into Rift and Guild Wars 2. But on these games, the payment structure is quite straightforward. My concern with LOTRO is that it's not clear from the myriad of pages, and the contradictory copy, about what you're actually getting with the money you spend. There's expansions, VIP, store points, more content unlocks (steeds?); and after reading these pages I've walked away unsure and unclear about exactly what I'm paying for (and what I need to pay for).

    And regarding your comment about my current mindset; this has unfortunately come about from LOTRO themselves; I actually felt quite hopeful from reading the opening post to this thread, you made the game sound really good. But after spending some time on the LOTRO website, I left feeling concerned, and cautious to proceed.

     

    Oh come on...after reading your comments it's clear you are here to derail this thread. So you say you sub to ESO?  What exactly do you get from subbing to ESO?  Well once you answer that you will get your answer to what you get when you sub to Lotro.  The fact you think you would get all the "PAID EXPANSIONS" because you sub is ridiculous, nobody who ever played an MMORPG would honestly think that.  Which if you want my honest opinion proves you are using an alt account in an attempt to derail and bash lotro...

    Well you're a little aggressive, aren't you? I don't understand how I'm 'derailing' the thread - the thread is about LOTRO, and my posts were giving my 'initial' opinion of the game. I believe this forum is a place to discuss games, and, dare I say it, to debate also. I'm sorry my initial reaction to a game you love is different to your own.

    As to your question regarding the sub to ESO: for my sub I get access to ESO... Not too sure what you expected from me in answer? It's £8.99 a month. The point I was making with my comments regarding subbing to ESO, and spending money on Rift and GW2, is that I'm more than willing to spend money on a game I enjoy. But, after my experience with ArcheAge, I'm also cautious about putting money into a game that doesn't give you the content for that money, and expects constant additional payments just to get along. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in having this expectation.

    And I'm not using an 'alt' account - I'm not even 'bashing' LOTRO.

  • Tasslehoff35Tasslehoff35 Member UncommonPosts: 962
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by fivoroth

    A subcription gives you access to everything but the 5 expansions the game has.

    This is definitely not true. There are many things that are store exclusive and can't be obtained in game, and a few more that are only available in game through a grind which makes winning the lottery appear as an easy thing.

    That wouldn't be too bad if it was only cosmetic stuff, but it isn't.

    Even with a subscription, LOTRO is still "pay to win". And that's sad.

    Pay 2 win?  Hardly...and yes if you sub you get all content...if you consider a few relics "content " you still can get that with your monthly TP allowance you get from subbing.  Pay 2 win that's hilarious!   

  • LovelockeLovelocke Member UncommonPosts: 14
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by fivoroth

    A subcription gives you access to everything but the 5 expansions the game has.

    This is definitely not true. There are many things that are store exclusive and can't be obtained in game, and a few more that are only available in game through a grind which makes winning the lottery appear as an easy thing.

    That wouldn't be too bad if it was only cosmetic stuff, but it isn't.

    Even with a subscription, LOTRO is still "pay to win". And that's sad.

    Can you give examples about the pay2win bits? 

  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,563
    Originally posted by Lovelocke
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by fivoroth

    A subcription gives you access to everything but the 5 expansions the game has.

    This is definitely not true. There are many things that are store exclusive and can't be obtained in game, and a few more that are only available in game through a grind which makes winning the lottery appear as an easy thing.

    That wouldn't be too bad if it was only cosmetic stuff, but it isn't.

    Even with a subscription, LOTRO is still "pay to win". And that's sad.

    Can you give examples about the pay2win bits? 

    You can buy tomes that boost your agility/might stats etc permanently. You can buy them for in game gold from other players/AH.

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  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,601
    Originally posted by Lovelocke
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by fivoroth

    A subcription gives you access to everything but the 5 expansions the game has.

    This is definitely not true. There are many things that are store exclusive and can't be obtained in game, and a few more that are only available in game through a grind which makes winning the lottery appear as an easy thing.

    That wouldn't be too bad if it was only cosmetic stuff, but it isn't.

    Even with a subscription, LOTRO is still "pay to win". And that's sad.

    Can you give examples about the pay2win bits? 

    Yep, I'd like to see some examples too, I'm curious.

    :)

    Locke, there's no p2w in LotRO, especially not when subbed. True, fivoroth wasn't precise enough with the everything - there are convenience upgrades which were added after the f2p switch, some of them were included in the subscription, some weren't. Those are not "win" at all, and you can get them from your monthly stipend. So, you have access to everything through your stipend (even the expansions, if you sub for 6 months and not spending your stipend on convenience stuff, you can get 1 expansion for free, even 2 if there's a sale.)

     

    edit: not a full list just out of memory,

    -Store exclusive stuff (remember, you can get all of them from the stipend, or by farming some TP from the game)

    mounts (only cosmetic, performance-wise not better than the in-game 68% steeds), cosmetic items, xp-disabler (very useful, there's way too many xp in game - but it's just convenience), extra bags, extra milestones, hurried traveller, more LI slots, more trait tree slots, more vault space beyond the in-game limit  (all of those are for convenience). More character slots, for the altoholists. Some funny emotes :). Beorning class. Riding trait (raise your riding speed by a whooping 10%, probably that was Picard's "win").

    -Store easy access (items which are in-game too, with a low drop rate or via big grind. As above, you can get them from the stipend, if you want)

    consumables (have plenty in game too), advancers (xp boost, deed boost - xp boost is useless, xp disabler ftw :) deed boosts can come handy, but they're cheap and not a really rare drop either), LI help (relic pack, relic removal, star-lit, emp. scrolls - not that tough to get them from the game either).  Crafting help (guild advancement, ingredient packs, craft tiers - all of those are useless, nothing's wrong with the crafting's original pace).

    That's pretty much it, can't think of anything else... oh, there are lootbox keys too in the second part (dropping in the game too), but no decent folk is touching the lootbox gamble anyways :)

  • Tasslehoff35Tasslehoff35 Member UncommonPosts: 962
    Originally posted by Lovelocke
    Originally posted by Tasslehoff35
    Originally posted by Lovelocke
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Originally posted by Lovelocke

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Oh come on...after reading your comments it's clear you are here to derail this thread. So you say you sub to ESO?  What exactly do you get from subbing to ESO?  Well once you answer that you will get your answer to what you get when you sub to Lotro.  The fact you think you would get all the "PAID EXPANSIONS" because you sub is ridiculous, nobody who ever played an MMORPG would honestly think that.  Which if you want my honest opinion proves you are using an alt account in an attempt to derail and bash lotro...

    Well you're a little aggressive, aren't you? I don't understand how I'm 'derailing' the thread - the thread is about LOTRO, and my posts were giving my 'initial' opinion of the game. I believe this forum is a place to discuss games, and, dare I say it, to debate also. I'm sorry my initial reaction to a game you love is different to your own.

    As to your question regarding the sub to ESO: for my sub I get access to ESO... Not too sure what you expected from me in answer? It's £8.99 a month. The point I was making with my comments regarding subbing to ESO, and spending money on Rift and GW2, is that I'm more than willing to spend money on a game I enjoy. But, after my experience with ArcheAge, I'm also cautious about putting money into a game that doesn't give you the content for that money, and expects constant additional payments just to get along. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in having this expectation.

    And I'm not using an 'alt' account - I'm not even 'bashing' LOTRO.

    Nope not being aggressive just giving my opinion based on your comments.  

     

    And  yes you are 110% unreasonable to expect all the paid expansions because you sub.  

  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666

    Calling lotro pay to win is pretty much ridiculous from any angle. Of course there are some restrictions if you don't pay anything at all, but that's hardly surprising. It's very easy though to gain Turbine points through regular play, especially as you can create alts on each server just to complete deeds if you want to do that. You can use the points to unlock just about everything a sub provides.

    The store is mostly cosmetics and convenience. The only things I ever buy from it are universal toolkits (convenience) and experience disablers (as I like to play slowly). The daily gift provides a good selection of items, and the weekly store voucher for a free item gives useful stuff too.

    Take the cosmetic gear in this image - all free (obtained easily via the yule festival), including the mount. Plus it looks brilliant I think.

    http://i.imgur.com/GQ7l2ax.jpg

  • Po_ggPo_gg Member RarePosts: 4,601
    Originally posted by Athisar

    Take the cosmetic gear in this image - all free (obtained easily via the yule festival), including the mount. Plus it looks brilliant I think.

    http://i.imgur.com/GQ7l2ax.jpg

    Yep, the Winter Winds set is pretty cool. It's a tablecloth steed again, but at least not that fugly like the previous ones :) (except that odd saddle)

    Was a bit surprised though. A scholar cappy? :) I have only 1 scholar on each server I play (because leveling the craft can be a pain in the butt), but I always give that job to a more scholar-y type (LM or Rk)... my cappies are usually tailors for making the Banners and different outfits for the Heralds.

  • LovelockeLovelocke Member UncommonPosts: 14
    Originally posted by Tasslehoff35
    Originally posted by Lovelocke
    Originally posted by Tasslehoff35
    Originally posted by Lovelocke
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Originally posted by Lovelocke

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Oh come on...after reading your comments it's clear you are here to derail this thread. So you say you sub to ESO?  What exactly do you get from subbing to ESO?  Well once you answer that you will get your answer to what you get when you sub to Lotro.  The fact you think you would get all the "PAID EXPANSIONS" because you sub is ridiculous, nobody who ever played an MMORPG would honestly think that.  Which if you want my honest opinion proves you are using an alt account in an attempt to derail and bash lotro...

    Well you're a little aggressive, aren't you? I don't understand how I'm 'derailing' the thread - the thread is about LOTRO, and my posts were giving my 'initial' opinion of the game. I believe this forum is a place to discuss games, and, dare I say it, to debate also. I'm sorry my initial reaction to a game you love is different to your own.

    As to your question regarding the sub to ESO: for my sub I get access to ESO... Not too sure what you expected from me in answer? It's £8.99 a month. The point I was making with my comments regarding subbing to ESO, and spending money on Rift and GW2, is that I'm more than willing to spend money on a game I enjoy. But, after my experience with ArcheAge, I'm also cautious about putting money into a game that doesn't give you the content for that money, and expects constant additional payments just to get along. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in having this expectation.

    And I'm not using an 'alt' account - I'm not even 'bashing' LOTRO.

    Nope not being aggressive just giving my opinion based on your comments.  

     

    And  yes you are 110% unreasonable to expect all the paid expansions because you sub.  

    I think you've misunderstood what I've written. I haven't said I expect all expansions to be covered under a sub; I fully appreciate some games (not all) sell expansions on top of the subscription fee. What I do expect however is for a subscription to provide the content of the game (minus any paid expansions), and not expect you to fork out additional money to experience that content. So for example with ArcheAge, you can sub and you're still encouraged to buy cash shop items such as labor potions, regrade items just to keep up.  

    So what I was getting at with LOTRO, is that from their website it's not entirely clear what it is you're paying for, from the various options on offer, and whether you'll not only be paying for a subscription and expansions, but also for other items just to get along.

     

    Thanks Immodium and po_gg for your replies and clearing up my confusion about what's on offer on the cash store. It seems relatively identical to Rift, which is good in my book.

  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    Originally posted by Po_gg
    Originally posted by Athisar

    Take the cosmetic gear in this image - all free (obtained easily via the yule festival), including the mount. Plus it looks brilliant I think.

    http://i.imgur.com/GQ7l2ax.jpg

    Yep, the Winter Winds set is pretty cool. It's a tablecloth steed again, but at least not that fugly like the previous ones :) (except that odd saddle)

    Was a bit surprised though. A scholar cappy? :) I have only 1 scholar on each server I play (because leveling the craft can be a pain in the butt), but I always give that job to a more scholar-y type (LM or Rk)... my cappies are usually tailors for making the Banners and different outfits for the Heralds.

    I like the saddle thing on the steed, plus it's less tableclothy than it could be. And it looks far superior to the generic lvl 20 mounts you can buy for gold.

    I'd never had a scholar before. I've got an explorer hunter, so I can use the ore to make weapons on the captain. I'm going to have to level up a metalworker though at some point. My new Beorning is on a different server, and he's an explorer too.

  • Four0SixFour0Six Member UncommonPosts: 1,175

    I just never got into it. Partly I don't see how an existing IP can be unique. Sure Tolkien wrote  genera spawning books, but I don't want to live them. Just like I don't play Marvel Heroes, but played City of for years.

     

    But hey, glad lots of folks still like it.

  • DestironDestiron Member CommonPosts: 5
    Originally posted by Vladric_Hellsinger

    I really do wanna want to play this game, it's just I hear all these negative things about it and the F2P restrictions really discourage me to try it. Like I would rather buy all the expansions for 40 bucks right now than to bother with the F2P restrictions. 

    You can but all the xpacs right now if you want to.  They are all sold on Steam and on the LOTRO store and you can gave everything right off the bat.

  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    Originally posted by Lovelocke

    I think you've misunderstood what I've written. I haven't said I expect all expansions to be covered under a sub; I fully appreciate some games (not all) sell expansions on top of the subscription fee. What I do expect however is for a subscription to provide the content of the game (minus any paid expansions), and not expect you to fork out additional money to experience that content. So for example with ArcheAge, you can sub and you're still encouraged to buy cash shop items such as labor potions, regrade items just to keep up.  

    So what I was getting at with LOTRO, is that from their website it's not entirely clear what it is you're paying for, from the various options on offer, and whether you'll not only be paying for a subscription and expansions, but also for other items just to get along.

     

    Thanks Immodium and po_gg for your replies and clearing up my confusion about what's on offer on the cash store. It seems relatively identical to Rift, which is good in my book.

    The good news is that there are regular huge discounts on the expansions - 75% off, etc. Also, the content in those is permanently available afterwards, you don't need to sub to get anything from them. It's absolutely nothing like ArcheAge - having played that mess as a founder and abandoned it permanently, I can say it for certain.

    VIP is mostly convenience. You basically rent the pre-expansion content and have access to everything, and you get some extras on top. It includes 500 TP per month too. If you buy all the quest packs and other included features of VIP you can easily play the game afterwards with no sub with pretty much no loss.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,593
    Originally posted by Athisar

    VIP is mostly convenience. You basically rent the pre-expansion content and have access to everything, and you get some extras on top. It includes 500 TP per month too. If you buy all the quest packs and other included features of VIP you can easily play the game afterwards with no sub with pretty much no loss.

    I do my sub annually, so it comes out to a little over 8 bucks a month($99 over 12 months).  Since that comes with 5 bucks a month in TP's, that  makes the VIP sub ridiculously cheap.

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