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No flying experiment has failed in WoD

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  • Tasslehoff35Tasslehoff35 Member UncommonPosts: 962
    Originally posted by Hoplites

    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    lol I don't remember people complaining about wows flight paths before everyone got flying mounts, they are what they are - flight paths. If someone is fearing out because a flight is 17% less optimal than some straight route then they maybe need to get in touch with their RPG routes if they have any. The issue with blizzard flight system is that noone rally cares about going anywhere in the game unless it's part of the latest tranche of content:

    I have quit and my entire guild has quit. Especially with the 6.1 announcement of lackluster content.

    Blizz has no content to give to players so they gate everything and take away players time with trivial time sinks which eventually adds up.

     

     

     

    Great maybe you can quit bumping a fail thread now too...
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 7,794
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    lol I don't remember people complaining about wows flight paths before everyone got flying mounts, they are what they are - flight paths. If someone is fearing out because a flight is 17% less optimal than some straight route then they maybe need to get in touch with their RPG routes if they have any. The issue with blizzard flight system is that noone rally cares about going anywhere in the game unless it's part of the latest tranche of content:

    I have quit and my entire guild has quit. Especially with the 6.1 announcement of lackluster content.

    Blizz has no content to give to players so they gate everything and take away players time with trivial time sinks which eventually adds up.

     

     

    Funny my guild has not had so many active members since WotLK. Matter of fact we keep growing. Members who have been away from WoW for years are back and loving the game. Love WoD and the no flying makes it even better. 



  • AldersAlders Member RarePosts: 2,165

    So many interesting little nooks and caves would have been completely ruined by flying. Not to mention the tiny bit of platforming that was implemented. 

    The only thing that would have made no flying better would have been less garrison nonsense so people get out into the world and run around.

  • Tasslehoff35Tasslehoff35 Member UncommonPosts: 962
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by lizardbones
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by Tasslehoff35
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by thunderC
    I know people have been saying for years "Its not the same WOW as vanilla" but this was truly the expansion that has me leaving for good. LFR was a great addition but this Garrison nonsense and the linear zones along with the lack of creativty when it comes to story, mobs and graphics has me saying goodbye for good. The direction this game has gone in is just TOO FAR OFF from the game i fell in love with.

    I am inclined to agree.

    The game makes no sense to me in its current format.  In fact, I would argue Avian'a feather is more over powered than flying mounts.

     

     

    So you still have not answered a couple posters including me about other games that have better travel systems than WoW because they have PORTALS!!!

     

    You are aware WoW has portals right?  Summoning stones?  Warlocks?  So any chance we can get you to clarify your thought process?  Or are you just going to continue to spam on a VIDEO GAME YOU DONT PLAY!

    I actually addressed this.

    Rift, Guild Wars, Final Fantasy, etc they all do it better in terms of travel systems.

    WoW's travel systems are terrible and horribly outdated.  Older MMO's like Everquest and UO do it better which is just sad. Don't get me started on UO or Wildstar having better player housing than WoD's garrisons (this is more like an expanded version of MoP's farm).

     

    1. WoW's portals - The most optimal place to set your hearth stone currently is Shrine of Two Moons or Seven Stars (MoP).  Hearthstone without guild perks increases in timer.  Current Ashran capitals (WoD) are junk.  Blizz should have never moved capital cities off the main land if they were going to take way flying at level cap. 

    2. Mini hearthstone to garrison - Good if you want to go to Ashran.  Bad if you go to your garrison and want to go out in the world.  Forced to use flight points or ground mounts to do anything.

    3. Flight points that take control of a player away are the dominate travel system in WoW currently and is the worst in the industry.  Prove me wrong on this one.  I would love to be wrong.

    Now, lets compare WoW to games that came out around the same time:

    CoX - No more, but its subway system wasn't good but it was at least instant (eg like a portal).  It was improved upon over the years, and then they added auction house teleport, bases teleports, Ourouboruous teleports, etc.  Along with travel powers of flight, teleport, ninja run, super jump, etc.

    Lineage 2: Started off with a hardcore old school travel system, where it took you literally 21 minutes to go from Glidn village through Gluio Castle town to Dion.  That was with windwalk buff, and if you were a dark elf or light elf.  Had teleports at gatekeepers, but high cost of adena.  Eventually added mounts, but had guild hall ports, scroll of escapes to towns, cattles, clan halls, fortress, etc.  Then they eventually added ports to all hunting areas.

    Over the years, MMO have improved or added to their travel system.  Taking away travel system without compensating has never been done and it is not good for the health of the game long term.

    Currently, WoW doesn't have enough portals to make the world relevant or dynamic.  A lot of it is masked because WoD is designed heavily by instances (garrisons, battle grounds, ashran, raids, etc). 

     

    #3 - Either Blizzard's system isn't the worst in the industry, or that aspect of the game isn't important enough to warrant a big change.  Millions of people are still playing the game.

     

    But for proof, what do you expect?  You've taken your subjective opinion on travel systems and generalized them as facts with nothing to support them other than your opinion.  The only thing we know is that millions of people just keep playing.

     

    It is the worst in the industry as it currently stands.  Ask any other player that plays MMOs and they will validate that WoW's flight path system is atrocious.

    Even Blizz admits that flight paths are poor.

     

    Well I see the desperation is setting in for you because clearly the only thing that has failed is this thread.  Haha ask "any other player who plays MMOS to validate your atrocious OPINION?"  Well just go read through your failed thread you keep bumping besides you blade and a couple others most don't share your "atrocious OPINION".

     

    As for your other  straight up desperate lie Crazyhorse took care of that, and like everything you are attempting to ignore that because it called out you and this failed thread. 

  • Tasslehoff35Tasslehoff35 Member UncommonPosts: 962
    Originally posted by Hoplites

    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    lol I don't remember people complaining about wows flight paths before everyone got flying mounts, they are what they are - flight paths. If someone is fearing out because a flight is 17% less optimal than some straight route then they maybe need to get in touch with their RPG routes if they have any. The issue with blizzard flight system is that noone rally cares about going anywhere in the game unless it's part of the latest tranche of content:

    I have quit and my entire guild has quit. Especially with the 6.1 announcement of lackluster content.

    Blizz has no content to give to players so they gate everything and take away players time with trivial time sinks which eventually adds up.

     

     

     

    Oh btw what is the name of your "guild". I would love to look them up and see that "everyone else quit".
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 7,794
    Originally posted by Tasslehoff35
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    lol I don't remember people complaining about wows flight paths before everyone got flying mounts, they are what they are - flight paths. If someone is fearing out because a flight is 17% less optimal than some straight route then they maybe need to get in touch with their RPG routes if they have any. The issue with blizzard flight system is that noone rally cares about going anywhere in the game unless it's part of the latest tranche of content:

    I have quit and my entire guild has quit. Especially with the 6.1 announcement of lackluster content.

    Blizz has no content to give to players so they gate everything and take away players time with trivial time sinks which eventually adds up.

     

     

     

    Oh btw what is the name of your "guild". I would love to look them up and see that "everyone else quit".

    My guess he wont tell you the guild and server name. 



  • Tasslehoff35Tasslehoff35 Member UncommonPosts: 962
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by Tasslehoff35
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    lol I don't remember people complaining about wows flight paths before everyone got flying mounts, they are what they are - flight paths. If someone is fearing out because a flight is 17% less optimal than some straight route then they maybe need to get in touch with their RPG routes if they have any. The issue with blizzard flight system is that noone rally cares about going anywhere in the game unless it's part of the latest tranche of content:

    I have quit and my entire guild has quit. Especially with the 6.1 announcement of lackluster content.

    Blizz has no content to give to players so they gate everything and take away players time with trivial time sinks which eventually adds up.

     

     

     

    Oh btw what is the name of your "guild". I would love to look them up and see that "everyone else quit".

    My guess he wont tell you the guild and server name. 

    I am very aware he won't, and also very aware the reason he won't.  Anytime somebody has called him out in this thread he has avoided it, stopped posting for a few days and then bump the thread in hopes that those calling him out would forget...Unfortunetly that hasn't worked so well for him.

  • azurreiazurrei Member UncommonPosts: 332
    It was fun for about 2-3 weeks - after the third 100 (now working on 100 #10) it got tedious without flying.  I would actually say that with the exception of trapping for the barn, I am out and about in the world of Draenor LESS because of no flying.  Expansion is overall great but flying is sorely missing...hopefully enabled for all but Tanaan Jungle when it is opened.
  • HoplitesHoplites Member CommonPosts: 463
    Originally posted by azurrei
    It was fun for about 2-3 weeks - after the third 100 (now working on 100 #10) it got tedious without flying.  I would actually say that with the exception of trapping for the barn, I am out and about in the world of Draenor LESS because of no flying.  Expansion is overall great but flying is sorely missing...hopefully enabled for all but Tanaan Jungle when it is opened.

     

    Yes it is leading to increased burnout.

    Restriction of flight is not conducive to replay value of content over the long haul.  Blizz put too many eggs in the garrison basket and it isn't working out.  Good post.

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,858
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by azurrei
    It was fun for about 2-3 weeks - after the third 100 (now working on 100 #10) it got tedious without flying.  I would actually say that with the exception of trapping for the barn, I am out and about in the world of Draenor LESS because of no flying.  Expansion is overall great but flying is sorely missing...hopefully enabled for all but Tanaan Jungle when it is opened.

     

    Yes it is leading to increased burnout.

    Restriction of flight is not conducive to replay value of content over the long haul.  Blizz put too many eggs in the garrison basket and it isn't working out.  Good post.

    How can something extra lead to increased burnout?  This title is the leader of the genre with or without the garrison. No one is making anyone maintain a Garrison,  just go back to standing in front of the bank.

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  • bbethelbbethel Member UncommonPosts: 201
    I played WoW non stop until around the time of flying mounts. Now that was not the only reason i left but it is nice to come back to WoW and there is no more flying around in the new areas. Its nice to not be skipping whole sections of the map. Brings back the reason I loved WoW back in the day.
  • HoplitesHoplites Member CommonPosts: 463
    Originally posted by azurrei
    It was fun for about 2-3 weeks - after the third 100 (now working on 100 #10) it got tedious without flying.  I would actually say that with the exception of trapping for the barn, I am out and about in the world of Draenor LESS because of no flying.  Expansion is overall great but flying is sorely missing...hopefully enabled for all but Tanaan Jungle when it is opened.

    Good post and well stated.

    Let me add that Blizz is doing massive damage control on their official forums.  But the players are not buying their excuses.

  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001
    3 characters to max level in 3 weeks and the 'issue' is flight. it would be incredible funny if it wasn't for the level of piss taking by blizzard.

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  • VassagoMaelVassagoMael Member Posts: 555
    That's news to me. I enjoy it and everyone I play with thinks it was a good idea. It is very easy to get around with the flight paths and Aviana's Feather. I assume that they will eventually add flying to Draenor, but I do not see the lack of it as an issue in anyway.

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  • askdabossaskdaboss Member UncommonPosts: 631

    No more dragon poo on your head.

    What a relief!

  • HoplitesHoplites Member CommonPosts: 463
    Funny picture haha.
  • maxkill42maxkill42 Member UncommonPosts: 94

    Well, I for one am just shocked....Some people like and it and some people don't...

    People have their own opinions?!?!

     

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    Maybe you should make a vote out of this, it is clearly that some people prefer the no fly zone but it is kind of hard to say how many in comparision to the ones who want it.

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,070
    Originally posted by Loke666

    Maybe you should make a vote out of this, it is clearly that some people prefer the no fly zone but it is kind of hard to say how many in comparision to the ones who want it.

    Thing is, polls on gaming forums are rarely an accurate representation of the in game reality.

    All I can say is that most of the people I play with, most of them never posting or even just reading a gaming forum, do NOT like the flight restrictions, and are quite pissed that Blizzard lied about restoring flight to Draenor in 6.1.

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  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001

    lol 'lied' is very dramatic isn't it.  No flight is pretty much the only thing they done right in WOD, but many players are so locked in to the lobby mentality they will shoot down anything that doesn't offer 'exciting choices' to use their jaded mantra.

     

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  • Varex12Varex12 Member CommonPosts: 357
    Originally posted by Bladestrom

    lol 'lied' is very dramatic isn't it.  No flight is pretty much the only thing they done right in WOD, but many players are so locked in to the lobby mentality they will shoot down anything that doesn't offer 'exciting choices' to use their jaded mantra.

     

    You talk about the poster above you being "dramatic," and then in your very next sentence saying that no flight is pretty much the only thing WOD got right.  Now who's being dramatic?  

     

     

  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001
    Originally posted by Varex12
    Originally posted by Bladestrom

    lol 'lied' is very dramatic isn't it.  No flight is pretty much the only thing they done right in WOD, but many players are so locked in to the lobby mentality they will shoot down anything that doesn't offer 'exciting choices' to use their jaded mantra.

     

    You talk about the poster above you being "dramatic," and then in your very next sentence saying that no flight is pretty much the only thing WOD got right.  Now who's being dramatic?  

     

     

    can't argue :)

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  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,092

     

    I personally like it.

     

    There was a poll some time after WoD's release whereby 80% of the people said they enjoyed the move, if I recall correctly.  It's probably increased since then with the acclimation of such.  It was on MMO-Champion and had about 150,000 votes in total if memory serves.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,070
    Originally posted by Yaevindusk

     

    I personally like it.

     

    There was a poll some time after WoD's release whereby 80% of the people said they enjoyed the move, if I recall correctly.  It's probably increased since then with the acclimation of such.  It was on MMO-Champion and had about 150,000 votes in total if memory serves.

    Any vote on some forum doesn't reflect reality.

    Put a vote at the launch of Wow where everyone can answer, and you'll see the difference.

    What I'm experiencing is that everyone I know is asking for flying right now in Draenor.

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  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001
    so your personal poll of a few people you know is more correct than blizzard internal market research + large polls on gaming forums like mmo champion is it?  I think blizzard would have been quick to re-introduce flying if they saw signs of discontent - they don't so they haven't.  

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