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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,852
    Originally posted by Gdemami
    Originally posted by Cramit845
     
    Although right now, I feel like the AMD makes more sense on the price point 

    It doesn't, it is your bias only. You were leaning towards AMD before you posted here :)

    AMD is simply not a gaming CPU.

    This is so wrong. It's not subjective but just flat out wrong.

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  • jdnewelljdnewell Member UncommonPosts: 2,237
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Gdemami
    Originally posted by Cramit845
     
    Although right now, I feel like the AMD makes more sense on the price point 

    It doesn't, it is your bias only. You were leaning towards AMD before you posted here :)

    AMD is simply not a gaming CPU.

    This is so wrong. It's not subjective but just flat out wrong.

    It is. But you will never convince him of it o.O

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,813


    Originally posted by Zebbakei

    I have a 8320fx and I can play any game out there with maxed settings so I'm not sure why you would think it's not a gaming cpu.

    Because intel gets better bang for the buck when it comes to gaming and there is still room for later upgrade of your CPU. With AMD, you are top of the line already.

    Those cores are useless for gaming.

  • Cramit845Cramit845 Member UncommonPosts: 395
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Cramit845
     
    Although right now, I feel like the AMD makes more sense on the price point


     

    It doesn't, it is your bias only. You were leaning towards AMD before you posted here :)


    AMD is simply not a gaming CPU.

      In all actuality I've been leaning more Intel than AMD because historically I'm an "intel guy" more than an AMD guy.  It's been the thought of possibly upgrading again in 2-3 years that makes me think going with a cheaper setup might be more beneficial after reading everyone's posts. 

      The intel seems like I would have to go into a higher price range or have to settle for lower end components in other areas to keep the price down.  In that case it makes me feel like I don't have the money to make an intel system that would be worthwhile for what I'm doing.

      No decision on my part yet, so if you feel Intel is the right way to go, can you offer a system closer to the $800 price point that includes an intel cpu that overall would be better than an AMD build?  I'm feeling like I just don't have enough funds to make an intel system worth it, right or wrong in your opinion?

  • ZebbakeiZebbakei Member UncommonPosts: 38
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Zebbakei

    I have a 8320fx and I can play any game out there with maxed settings so I'm not sure why you would think it's not a gaming cpu.

     

    Because intel gets better bang for the buck when it comes to gaming and there is still room for later upgrade of your CPU. With AMD, you are top of the line already.

    Those cores are useless for gaming.

    Following what you're saying, AMD 8 cores have untapped performance, which I agree too, but games are increasingly utilizing multiple cores as even consoles are 8 core now. An 8 core AMD should be solid for 5-7 years, especially if/when all games can utilize all 8 cores.

  • jdnewelljdnewell Member UncommonPosts: 2,237
    Originally posted by Cramit845
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Cramit845
     
    Although right now, I feel like the AMD makes more sense on the price point


     

    It doesn't, it is your bias only. You were leaning towards AMD before you posted here :)


    AMD is simply not a gaming CPU.

      In all actuality I've been leaning more Intel than AMD because historically I'm an "intel guy" more than an AMD guy.  It's been the thought of possibly upgrading again in 2-3 years that makes me think going with a cheaper setup might be more beneficial after reading everyone's posts. 

      The intel seems like I would have to go into a higher price range or have to settle for lower end components in other areas to keep the price down.  In that case it makes me feel like I don't have the money to make an intel system that would be worthwhile for what I'm doing.

      No decision on my part yet, so if you feel Intel is the right way to go, can you offer a system closer to the $800 price point that includes an intel cpu that overall would be better than an AMD build?  I'm feeling like I just don't have enough funds to make an intel system worth it, right or wrong in your opinion?

    He did a few posts up. An intel build that is so bad only he thinks its actually a good idea. While the rest of the posters disagree and therefore must be wrong.

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,813


    Originally posted by Zebbakei

    Following what you're saying, AMD 8 cores have untapped performance, which I agree too, but games are increasingly utilizing multiple cores as even consoles are 8 core now. An 8 core AMD should be solid for 5-7 years, especially if/when all games can utilize all 8 cores.

    We can hear that since release of PS3(using 8 core platfrom) in 2006 :D

    CPU load distribution does not scale the way you think.

    More cores are great for multitasking but do not help much with load of single app where utilization of CPU load is limited.

    Also, there is Ahmdal's law.

  • Cramit845Cramit845 Member UncommonPosts: 395
    Originally posted by jdnewell
    Originally posted by Cramit845
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Cramit845
     
    Although right now, I feel like the AMD makes more sense on the price point


     

    It doesn't, it is your bias only. You were leaning towards AMD before you posted here :)


    AMD is simply not a gaming CPU.

      In all actuality I've been leaning more Intel than AMD because historically I'm an "intel guy" more than an AMD guy.  It's been the thought of possibly upgrading again in 2-3 years that makes me think going with a cheaper setup might be more beneficial after reading everyone's posts. 

      The intel seems like I would have to go into a higher price range or have to settle for lower end components in other areas to keep the price down.  In that case it makes me feel like I don't have the money to make an intel system that would be worthwhile for what I'm doing.

      No decision on my part yet, so if you feel Intel is the right way to go, can you offer a system closer to the $800 price point that includes an intel cpu that overall would be better than an AMD build?  I'm feeling like I just don't have enough funds to make an intel system worth it, right or wrong in your opinion?

    He did a few posts up. An intel build that is so bad only he thinks its actually a good idea. While the rest of the posters disagree and therefore must be wrong.

       Ok, my bad, didn't realize it was his.  So after looking at that post I do have some concerns.  Like one poster said, a single RAM module doesn't seem like a good idea to me.  I would go more towards a dual channel setup myself.  Not to mention, if I did go with a motherboard with the newer chipset, it would be most likely a mute point because it wouldn't have the DDR4 on there, so I would end up replacing it in a couple years anyway for that functionality.

       Although I haven't done to much research on DDR4 yet (HW for this weekend) so whether or not I will definitely be upgrading in that time frame is till not a definite, but not ruling it out just yet till I get that understanding.  My other question would be CPU choice, is there a reason for this specific CPU or is it purely at the right price point?  Otherwise the price is attractive to be sure.

  • ZebbakeiZebbakei Member UncommonPosts: 38
    If I could build my system again, I would downgrade from the 8320 to a 6300 or a 6350fx. The 8320(mine at least) generates a crap ton of heat and I can't get an OC over 4ghz that won't peg out at 70c and crash. It may just be the cooler I chose tho, a shadow rock 2. 
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,813


    Originally posted by Cramit845

    In all actuality I've been leaning more Intel than AMD because historically I'm an "intel guy" more than an AMD guy.

    Well, if I read your OP, you talk about AMD/ATI all the time, in later posts you were concerned more about AMD rather than whether you are getting right thing for you money and when you say:


    Originally posted by Cramit845

    I've been hoping someone would give a suggestion on a AMD build.

    However, it was just my impression/observation.


    One thing I would recommend to you is to check price of FX-8350. 130 USD posted by N1kthequick seems to be way low compared to what I found on pricepicker or elsewhere.

    As I said above, intel provides far better gaming performance unless you OC your FX and keep attention to your heat management(you will likely want/need cooler) and power consumption. And in that case, you can just go with i5. i5-4460 goes for 190 USD.

    So no, it does not make much sense price wise.

    As I pointed out, if you are concerned about later upgrade, intel is the only way to go since you will have entire new line of CPUs(Q2 2015) to put into your board. With AMD you are at top of the line already.


    I did posted a solid build you can tweak around, it a base line setup with enough room for adjustments while keeping your price point.

  • herculeshercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,919
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Cramit845
     
    Although right now, I feel like the AMD makes more sense on the price point


     

    It doesn't, it is your bias only. You were leaning towards AMD before you posted here :)


    AMD is simply not a gaming CPU.

    totally wrong

    http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-Action-Battlefield_4-test-bf4_proz_2.jpg

    as you can see games which makes use of multiple core the amd 8350 can beat i5 .basically amd has weaker cores but more cores .

    tbh this debate amd vs intel is a waste because BOTH easily handle any game out there.

    the few it does poorly on  like planetside 2 has long been proven to be due to poor optimization on soe part for amd and since then has been fixed mostly.

    pick either cpu and that will do you fine for some years.focus instead on a nice gpu .

    strangely its a wonder people do not talk about good psu instead.loads of rubbish ones out there frying computers.people are so focused on amd vs intel when both are quality chipset and then dump a cheap psu in there .

    if you can spare the cash or get a good deal get a seasonic .even an older model one which they are trying to clear stock will be a excellent choice.

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,813


    Originally posted by Zebbakei

    If I could build my system again, I would downgrade from the 8320 to a 6300 or a 6350fx. The 8320(mine at least) generates a crap ton of heat and I can't get an OC over 4ghz that won't peg out at 70c and crash. It may just be the cooler I chose tho, a shadow rock 2. 

    Heat is likely one of my major issues with AMD and why I usually do not recommend any builds based on their chips since I am not expecting averyone being savvy, concerned, knowledgeable and willing enough to deal with it. One might run into unpleasant issues there.


    If I take all that into account, I simply see no reason recommending AMD unless you need specifically more cores or you truly know what you are doing.

  • Cramit845Cramit845 Member UncommonPosts: 395
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Cramit845

    In all actuality I've been leaning more Intel than AMD because historically I'm an "intel guy" more than an AMD guy.

     

    Well, if I read your OP, you talk about AMD/ATI all the time, in later posts you were concerned more about AMD rather than whether you are getting right thing for you money and when you say:

     


    Originally posted by Cramit845

    I've been hoping someone would give a suggestion on a AMD build.

     

    However, it was just my impression/observation.


    One thing I would recommend to you is to check price of FX-8350. 130 USD posted by N1kthequick seems to be way low compared to what I found on pricepicker or elsewhere.

    As I said above, intel provides far better gaming performance unless you OC your FX and keep attention to your heat management(you will likely want/need cooler) and power consumption. And in that case, you can just go with i5. i5-4460 goes for 190 USD.

    So no, it does not make much sense price wise.

     

    As I pointed out, if you are concerned about later upgrade, intel is the only way to go since you will have entire new line of CPUs(Q2 2015) to put into your board. With AMD you are at top of the line already.


    I did posted a solid build you can tweak around, it a base line setup with enough room for adjustments while keeping your price point.

      Ahh I understand your point, yea I've been asking about AMD because I feel less comfortable with their equipment.  So I was looking for more information on theirs, where as the Intel I have a bit more familiarity.  Maybe not as much as I should, hence why I asked about your CPU choice, but I'm a bit more familiar with the Intel stuff in general.  That's all.

       Again is there a reason for the 4460 choice or is it based on price point primarily?  I'm just wondering if there is a large difference in performance when held up to the 4690 or other i5 models.  Does anyone else have a preference on the intel i5's or a cheaper i7 that still holds performance?  (Making a lot of HW and research for myself this weekend LOL)

  • herculeshercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,919
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Zebbakei

    If I could build my system again, I would downgrade from the 8320 to a 6300 or a 6350fx. The 8320(mine at least) generates a crap ton of heat and I can't get an OC over 4ghz that won't peg out at 70c and crash. It may just be the cooler I chose tho, a shadow rock 2. 

     

    Heat is likely one of my major issues with AMD and why I usually do not recommend any builds based on their chips since I am not expecting averyone being savvy, concerned, knowledgeable and willing enough to deal with it. One might run into unpleasant issues there.


    If I take all that into account, I simply see no reason recommending AMD unless you need specifically more cores or you truly know what you are doing.

     

    using a stock cooler is never a good idea if OCing anyhow.if you not overclocking the heat generated by the amd is not  a problem at all.

    if you are ocing while the amd heats faster then intel you really should not be using a stock cooler anyhow for safety reason on neither.

    cooler can be bought for £30 which are better then stock cooler .

  • Cramit845Cramit845 Member UncommonPosts: 395
    Originally posted by hercules
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Cramit845
     
    Although right now, I feel like the AMD makes more sense on the price point


     

    It doesn't, it is your bias only. You were leaning towards AMD before you posted here :)


    AMD is simply not a gaming CPU.

    totally wrong

    http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-Action-Battlefield_4-test-bf4_proz_2.jpg

    as you can see games which makes use of multiple core the amd 8350 can beat i5 .basically amd has weaker cores but more cores .

    tbh this debate amd vs intel is a waste because BOTH easily handle any game out there.

    the few it does poorly on  like planetside 2 has long been proven to be due to poor optimization on soe part for amd and since then has been fixed mostly.

    pick either cpu and that will do you fine for some years.focus instead on a nice gpu .

    strangely its a wonder people do not talk about good psu instead.loads of rubbish ones out there frying computers.people are so focused on amd vs intel when both are quality chipset and then dump a cheap psu in there .

    if you can spare the cash or get a good deal get a seasonic .even an older model one which they are trying to clear stock will be a excellent choice.

      This is a good point.  The GPU's are probably the most important in a gaming rig next to a CPU.  I haven't really looked at them but seeing a lot of folks suggesting ATI from what I've read, if I'm getting the models right.  Any manufacturer/model suggestions? 

       Like I've said, I've been running ATI for a couple years now, which is ok.  I always hear the Nvidia & ATI debate is another big one, any preferences on the posters here one or the other or even just model/manufacturer suggestions.

    (Lol, apparently I love to research cause I just keep throwing more on top!)

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,813


    Originally posted by Cramit845

    Ahh I understand your point, yea I've been asking about AMD because I feel less comfortable with their equipment.  So I was looking for more information on theirs, where as the Intel I have a bit more familiarity.  Maybe not as much as I should, hence why I asked about your CPU choice, but I'm a bit more familiar with the Intel stuff in general.  That's all.   Again is there a reason for the 4460 choice or is it based on price point primarily?  I'm just wondering if there is a large difference in performance when held up to the 4690 or other i5 models.  Does anyone else have a preference on the intel i5's or a cheaper i7 that still holds performance?  (Making a lot of HW and research for myself this weekend LOL)


    Point taken.


    4460 is the cheapest i5 you can get and you want i5 because it got 4 cores and it is already faster in games than any AMD. Thus better price per performance, and within same price point.

    Truth to be said, games do not need as much CPU power so you will likely won't notice the difference anyway. Most load is done on your GPU. The exception are RTS.


    You could say that there is not much point in getting any faster CPU past 4460 since the performance is already more then sufficient and any further gain minimal.

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,813


    Originally posted by hercules

    totally wronghttp://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-Action-Battlefield_4-test-bf4_proz_2.jpgas you can see games which makes use of multiple core the amd 8350 can beat i5 .basically amd has weaker cores but more cores .

    It is not wrong, unless you believe that the extra heat and consumption you need to deal with are worthy those 2 FPS...

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,813


    Originally posted by Cramit845

    This is a good point.  The GPU's are probably the most important in a gaming rig next to a CPU.  I haven't really looked at them but seeing a lot of folks suggesting ATI from what I've read, if I'm getting the models right.  Any manufacturer/model suggestions?    Like I've said, I've been running ATI for a couple years now, which is ok.  I always hear the Nvidia & ATI debate is another big one, any preferences on the posters here one or the other or even just model/manufacturer suggestions.(Lol, apparently I love to research cause I just keep throwing more on top!)

    Unless you go for top of the line VGA, AMD provides much better price per performance. But you get older cards with lot of heat.

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,813

    While performance summary results only, the is a nice large list of CPUs tested:

    http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/test-of-cpu-for-gaming-30-cpus-compared.200132/

  • DrukstylzDrukstylz Member Posts: 189

    OP wants to keep in BUDGET, and get the most VALUE.

    He needs an ak47 style rig that can compete with the big boys at budget price and last.

    AMD is often better for overclocking and tweaking. However doing such often requires extra fans/coolers, and a stronger power source which means more money and more things possibly going wrong. 

    INTEL, forget your misconceptions about intel being just a family cpu. It is reliable, affordable, and fast. I also believe it has less conflicts.

    The i5 4460 is a good model cpu at 3.2g's, and i5's are often core for midrange rigs (i hate saying rigs)

    The radeon 280/290x and gtx750ti are amazing value for money and trouble shooting is easy for them considering they are so popular. also these cards don't require extra power or cooling than what you get on your barebones.

    dual channel, with 8gb ddr3 stick, brand doesn't really matter although get it from a source with a reliable return policy. You need room to upgrade since this rig is going to last you 2 years at least

    hard drive, get a 1tb hard drive with SSD cache (it allocates physical memory for your most used programs) You can open and close WOW repeatedly, like it was minesweeper.

    if you can find a deal on your base pc with a newer version of windows than you already have, get it. Some may say windows 7 runs better than 8 for games but I think just fancy talk. 

    This is not the best setup, but I hope its something in line with what OP wants. 

     

     

  • HulluckHulluck Member UncommonPosts: 830
    OP there are certain people, a lot actually that you can trust in this section. They'll suggest a build that is not complete junk. If someone posts a build and it has one fucking ram module... You should ignore them from that point on. The people who won't steer you into a bad purchase are in this thread. They've helped a lot of people including me.never seen a person come back complaining over the years. It is your money do want you want but if I'm spending this kind of money and someone claiming to help does something stupid as mentioned with what looks like other problems with their suggestion. Mods should ban him from this section imo because it can cost someone a decent amount of money. I don't add much with this post but its infuriating to see such horrible advice when someone might actually spend money on.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,813


    Originally posted by Hulluck

    OP there are certain people, a lot actually that you can trust in this section. They'll suggest a build that is not complete junk. If someone posts a build and it has one fucking ram module... You should ignore them from that point on. The people who won't steer you into a bad purchase are in this thread. They've helped a lot of people including me.never seen a person come back complaining over the years. It is your money do want you want but if I'm spending this kind of money and someone claiming to help does something stupid as mentioned with what looks like other problems with their suggestion. Mods should ban him from this section imo because it can cost someone a decent amount of money. I don't add much with this post but its infuriating to see such horrible advice when someone might actually spend money on.

    Why not educate yourself instead of accepting some dogmas..?

    http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel#!/ccomment-page=1

  • HulluckHulluck Member UncommonPosts: 830
    You are giving absolute bad advice to someone who is looking to spend money on a purchase.
    You half assed your build suggestion so badly it wouldnt surprise me if you just looked at price alone. You didn't even notice that you picked out a single ram module instead of a pair. Generally people don't like to make purchase and then go back make more purchases to correct a problem. It looked like you also just suggested the most bottom tier mb that you could. Yet you defend it with poor reasoning. You drowned out reputable posters here. Why don't you piss off before you cost someone a lot of money on junk, seriously. Dude its not funny. Your advice is going to cost someone a decent amount of money. Stop.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,813


    Originally posted by Hulluck

    You didn't even notice that you picked out a single ram module instead of a pair.

    It wasn't an oversight, nor error.


    Originally posted by Gdemami

    It is not better, it does not matter. It has no impact on performance and since the board supports only 2 slots, it is reasonable to leave 1 available for later upgrade...


    For gaming or just regular use, it has no practical bearing on performance. Read the link above.

    As for intel chipset, yes I went with the "bottom line" since I want to present a best performance/value basis.

    When it comes to intel chipsets, there is no difference in performance, what you pay is features - more memory slots, SATA ports, PCI-E slots, overclocking tools, SSD power savings etc. All those are just a luxury and not needed for core functionality.

    You want some of them? Pay the extra but there is no need to pay for something you do not intend to use.

  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 5,923
    Originally posted by Hulluck
    OP there are certain people, a lot actually that you can trust in this section. 

    Quizzical and Ridelynn are especially trustworthy. When someone disagrees with either of them, he's very likely wrong.

    ...That includes the times I've disagreed with Quizzical in some of the threads.

     
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