Possible Episode 7 Spoiler - KOTOR link in EP7?

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  • CalgorCalgor Wasilla, AKMember Posts: 106
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Ikeda
    R-E-V-A-N That's all. It was truly painful every time you did it.  Like ripping out a chest hair one at a time. They also "say" the inquisitor from Rebels will be part of VII. Of course, since they WIPED all non-movie canon from the face of the Earth.... 

    Although Eu is no longer "canon", they have said that they would pull elements form it as needed.

    Regardless, even if the mysterious charecter turns out to not in fact be Revan, he/she is clearly based on, or at least heavily influenced by, Revan.

    This is what Lucas himself has said since day one of the EU. He said he will use or ignore any and all of it at his discretion, its the fans who have ignored this and kept calling it canon over the years.

  • IncomparableIncomparable KuwaitMember UncommonPosts: 1,052

    I like the story of revan, and even like the possibility of revan being in the movie.

    However, what I don't like is thinking about how the people at swtor marketing probably had a hand in this.

    Meanwhile, the swtor is raking in 100s of millions in revenue, but EA somehow allows swtor to produce a tiny expansion with limited content. Maybe the swtor team is 5 actual programmers, and 50 people doing other things like running their websites, writing 'story', marketing etc

    I know that producers like to treat their that consumers like they are retards. And that's how we are being treated really, since you might have a game already purchased with DLC already steamlined just after purchase. Maybe, sure, a huge company can cut down on costs, and therefore still offer content for a good price... but...

    But look at swtor and in 3 years since release and what it has to offer since then, and what should/could offer now. OR what it could have offered if they went with an engine to handle mmo pvp.

    So, even though I like revan, I see this as a marketing scheme for a game that has been mismanaged. I will try to brush this aside while I eat my pop corn and swallow my tears.

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  • ArchlyteArchlyte CaliforniaMember RarePosts: 1,405
    Originally posted by Kuinn
    Originally posted by Archlyte
    Please God no. J.J. Abrams isn't big on using things in his movies that require a 5th degree black belt in lore research. Having to reach back to an ancient, ancient past and know that a character keeps coming back will detract from the immediate story. Explanations in the Star Wars Universe have the potential to meltdown the story both immediately and in future installments. Revelations are good, explanations are bad. One of the better things that has happened is Disney conducting a purge of all of the extraneous garbage peddled by the hack pulp merchants. They probably wanted the material to be more accessible and elegant, so they threw out a bunch of dizzying detritus that was only there to either: a) drive stories that explained in detail minutiae of the setting, b) indulge Sith worshippers who can't accept that the bad guys are actually bad guys who exist only to provide tension, or c) sell toys   Episode VII looks to avoid the mistakes of the prequels, pulling in garbage made up by a game company and important only to KOTOR fans would be counter to that.

     

    Ikr, I hate Bioware so I must get angry if there's any connection between Revan and the new movies! Jk though, force ghosts are a common theme in Star Wars lore, I hope some ancient dark side force ghost is at large in these new movies, if it's Revan, damn awesome since I've experienced his story in KOTOR and it was great. I would not mind if it was a re-creation of the character tailored for the movies alone.

     

    Ps. Even with shit like Jar Jar the prequels were fun and good Star Wars entertainment, so just shut up and go watch Star Trek or something, don't really even care...

    Yeah, "shut up" is a compelling argument. I also like how you said you don't even care at the end. lol nice.

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  • ArchlyteArchlyte CaliforniaMember RarePosts: 1,405
    Originally posted by Incomparable
    I like the story of revan, and even like the possibility of revan being in the movie. However, what I don't like is thinking about how the people at swtor marketing probably had a hand in this. Meanwhile, the swtor is raking in 100s of millions in revenue, but EA somehow allows swtor to produce a tiny expansion with limited content. Maybe the swtor team is 5 actual programmers, and 50 people doing other things like running their websites, writing 'story', marketing etc I know that producers like to treat their that consumers like they are retards. And that's how we are being treated really, since you might have a game already purchased with DLC already steamlined just after purchase. Maybe, sure, a huge company can cut down on costs, and therefore still offer content for a good price... but... But look at swtor and in 3 years since release and what it has to offer since then, and what should/could offer now. OR what it could have offered if they went with an engine to handle mmo pvp. So, even though I like revan, I see this as a marketing scheme for a game that has been mismanaged. I will try to brush this aside while I eat my pop corn and swallow my tears.

    You won't have to, because he won't be in the movie. There is no way in hell that they will interrupt the flow of the story to put in some character that to most people will not be some significantly understood "ghost" from the past. Even if a similar character appears in the movie it will be named differently and be a composite or something like that.

    Introducing a character that is thousands of years old and has all that history would require some exposition and explanation to introduce a new rule for the setting that moviegoers have not seen before. Ghosts were in the other movies, but not any from thousands of years ago.

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  • doodphacedoodphace Vancouver, BCMember UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by Archlyte
    Originally posted by Incomparable
    I like the story of revan, and even like the possibility of revan being in the movie. However, what I don't like is thinking about how the people at swtor marketing probably had a hand in this. Meanwhile, the swtor is raking in 100s of millions in revenue, but EA somehow allows swtor to produce a tiny expansion with limited content. Maybe the swtor team is 5 actual programmers, and 50 people doing other things like running their websites, writing 'story', marketing etc I know that producers like to treat their that consumers like they are retards. And that's how we are being treated really, since you might have a game already purchased with DLC already steamlined just after purchase. Maybe, sure, a huge company can cut down on costs, and therefore still offer content for a good price... but... But look at swtor and in 3 years since release and what it has to offer since then, and what should/could offer now. OR what it could have offered if they went with an engine to handle mmo pvp. So, even though I like revan, I see this as a marketing scheme for a game that has been mismanaged. I will try to brush this aside while I eat my pop corn and swallow my tears.

    You won't have to, because he won't be in the movie. There is no way in hell that they will interrupt the flow of the story to put in some character that to most people will not be some significantly understood "ghost" from the past. Even if a similar character appears in the movie it will be named differently and be a composite or something like that.

    Introducing a character that is thousands of years old and has all that history would require some exposition and explanation to introduce a new rule for the setting that moviegoers have not seen before. Ghosts were in the other movies, but not any from thousands of years ago.

    My money is on that. It prob won't be Revan himself (though I think it is a small possibility), but it will definitly be based off of Revan.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Grand Rapids, MIMember UncommonPosts: 4,445

    Well... all that picture really shows is that the bad guy is cloaked and helmeted, which not only shares similarities with Revan, but also almost every Sith outfit available in SWTOR.

    Also, and I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but I don't think Disney has rights to Revan nor any KoTOR character.

    It would've been cool to have Revan in an unnamed cameo, like in a montage of the history of force users, or something.

    Personally, I'd rather it not be Revan.  Nothing against the character, just that the movies and the KoTOR games have always had a different feel, IMO.

  • CalgorCalgor Wasilla, AKMember Posts: 106
    Originally posted by Robsolf
    Well... all that picture really shows is that the bad guy is cloaked and helmeted, which not only shares similarities with Revan, but also almost every Sith outfit available in SWTOR. Also, and I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but I don't think Disney has rights to Revan nor any KoTOR character. It would've been cool to have Revan in an unnamed cameo, like in a montage of the history of force users, or something. Personally, I'd rather it not be Revan.  Nothing against the character, just that the movies and the KoTOR games have always had a different feel, IMO.

    I hope part of the KOTOR/SWTOR feel is what they bring into the SW movies going forward, kind of what they had going in Ep IV, the sense of this being one part of a much larger story. When Obi-Wan tells Luke that for over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old republic it only made you want to know more.

    As far as rights go I believe EA has the rights to produce all SW games for like 9 years but I believe the names and the rest would still be owned by Disney. I could very well be wrong tho.

    As much as I'd like to see them fold The Old Republic into the existing canon of Star Wars I think the fact they changed Korriban to Moriband in the Clone Wars (which, unless something changed in the handover to Disney, was always considered canon) does not bode well and I think the likelihood of Revan making an appearance is very slim.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Grand Rapids, MIMember UncommonPosts: 4,445
    Originally posted by Calgor
     

    I hope part of the KOTOR/SWTOR feel is what they bring into the SW movies going forward, kind of what they had going in Ep IV, the sense of this being one part of a much larger story. When Obi-Wan tells Luke that for over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old republic it only made you want to know more.

    As far as rights go I believe EA has the rights to produce all SW games for like 9 years but I believe the names and the rest would still be owned by Disney. I could very well be wrong tho.

    As much as I'd like to see them fold The Old Republic into the existing canon of Star Wars I think the fact they changed Korriban to Moriband in the Clone Wars (which, unless something changed in the handover to Disney, was always considered canon) does not bode well and I think the likelihood of Revan making an appearance is very slim.

    Yes indeed!  Same thing about Obi Wan and Anakin being friends and fighting together.  Then Episode 1 happened and:  "Anakin @ 8 years old?  Midichlorians???  I wanna know less!  I wanna know less!!!"  image

  • doodphacedoodphace Vancouver, BCMember UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by Robsolf
      Also, and I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but I don't think Disney has rights to Revan nor any KoTOR character.

    Of course they do. They own the Star Wars IP, and everything in it (including the entire EU, regardless of which 3rd party company developed the material).

  • orionblackorionblack Wichita Falls, TXMember UncommonPosts: 493
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Robsolf
      Also, and I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but I don't think Disney has rights to Revan nor any KoTOR character.

    Of course they do. They own the Star Wars IP, and everything in it (including the entire EU, regardless of which 3rd party company developed the material).

    Either way...it is NOT Revan.....they have revealed the names of the new people from the trailer...

     http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/12/11/star-wars-the-force-awakens-character-names/4/

     

    Thank god they are not using the EU...

  • doodphacedoodphace Vancouver, BCMember UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by orionblack
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Robsolf
      Also, and I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but I don't think Disney has rights to Revan nor any KoTOR character.

    Of course they do. They own the Star Wars IP, and everything in it (including the entire EU, regardless of which 3rd party company developed the material).

    Either way...it is NOT Revan.....they have revealed the names of the new people from the trailer...

     http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/12/11/star-wars-the-force-awakens-character-names/4/

     

    Thank god they are not using the EU...

    Yup, was just coming to update the tread with that.

    It like I suspected, not Revan, but one who's look was borrowed very heavily from.

    The "awakening" part turns out to be the force getting stronger, to the point that people who didn't know they were force sensitive, end up feeling it. Almost as if the force "wants to be used" and starts to "call out" after the jedi purge and fall of the sith.

    On a side note...they are using some EU...

  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Llandrindod WellsMember UncommonPosts: 470

    This thread contains no spoilers for Episode 7.

    The question isn't: is that Revan's mask?

    The question is: Why is he wearing Revan's mask?

    It's so obviously Revan's mask, there's no point in debating it. Everyone saying "it'll be shit if it's Revan" can calm down. Driver is Revan. Revan is featured in some way however.

    What better way to draw in existing Star Wars fans that may be a little annoyed that Disney are killing off the EU post episode 6? Revan is almost certainly the most popular character in the Star Wars franchise outside of those featured on the movies. In fact, he's more popular that a lot of characters in the movies. If they can use him, they will. It's likely that Revan won't be explicitly featured and will instead be used as a set up.

    If Driver's ambition is to bring back the glory days of the Sith, what better way to do that than by modeling himself on the most powerful Sith Lord's of all time??? Revan is one of them.

    Visit his tomb, have a chat with his ghost, get turned to the Dark Side, put on his mask.

  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Llandrindod WellsMember UncommonPosts: 470

    Just wanted to point out the strong "grave robber" rumour that's been going around about the bad guy for Episode 7. The idea that he would use relics found in Sith Tombs he finds would fit with that narrative, especially if those relics were taken from some of the most powerful Sith Lords that have ever lived (of which Revan is one (and is often shortlisted as the most powerful Sith Lord to have ever existed).

    So perhaps we'll see this guy using other equally as iconic artifacts from other Sith Lords as well?

    Perhaps the lightsaber he's using isn't Revan's and instead another Sith Lord's? I'd put money on it not being a lightsaber he crafted and is instead one he found. It's "unstable" blade could be down to it being hella old.

  • ArchlyteArchlyte CaliforniaMember RarePosts: 1,405
    Originally posted by orionblack
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Robsolf
      Also, and I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but I don't think Disney has rights to Revan nor any KoTOR character.

    Of course they do. They own the Star Wars IP, and everything in it (including the entire EU, regardless of which 3rd party company developed the material).

    Either way...it is NOT Revan.....they have revealed the names of the new people from the trailer...

     http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/12/11/star-wars-the-force-awakens-character-names/4/

     

    Thank god they are not using the EU...

    Amen, and in all seriousness everyone should be glad of this.

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