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Trion trying to get money from APEX dupe banned accounts!

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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by jircris
    So your complaining that they want their money that you BASICALLY stole from them? heh kids these days, i remember my friend being banned in the day simply because his credit card ended in 6666 they thought it was a fake.

    No, i don't. Why is it so hard for some people to read and understand a simple post? I think i made it perfectly clear that:

    1. This was from the official forums and i don't even play the game.

    2. I am not complaining that they want their money back i am saying that it is shady business practice and unprofessional to allow cheaters back into the game as long as they pay up.

    1. you now are back peddling from the entire opening post.

    2. If this was not your issue, why post it here (defamation case)

    3. Showing compassion to these people who DID hack  / bug the game, unprofessional /facepalm

    4. I think Trion is getting hammered by WoW trolls, and many other people because the true value of their games far out weighs most subscription games hand over fist.

    5. Trion brought Archage to America / EU faster then any other NA publisher for a korean game, things are bound to be bugged when introducing a game to the NA/EU that fast.

    6. Threads like this are a dime a dozen of people who random pull a thread out of a forum for a slanderfest.

    7. A company could just call the police.

    8. If people are going to act like this, I as a community leader would call the police and show that you can't steal from mmorpgs item mall or currency systems.

     

    I think police proceedings are probably a bit extreme, personally i would be more in favour of a 'blacklist' where MMO's can put players names/email addresses on a blacklist for other MMO's to be aware of, its the kind of thing that works pretty well for town center pubs where if someone gets banned from one pub for particularly bad behaviour, they end up being banned from virtually all of them. image

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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 2,814

    After coming back from Vegas, it strikes me how similar this case is to a casino. In both cases, the "house" creates the currency, either APEX or casino chips. This currency is only good within the game, it is worthless in any other context. The "house" can create as much of this currency as they want.

    However, if you are caught cheating in a Vegas casino, they won't just ask you to pay for the illegally-gotten chips. You'll get banned and consider yourself lucky that you don't end up with broken fingers, or worse.

    And of course, all the casinos share a book of cheaters, so you'll quickly get banned from all the other casinos too.

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  • KangaroomouseKangaroomouse Member Posts: 394
    Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by jircris
    So your complaining that they want their money that you BASICALLY stole from them? heh kids these days, i remember my friend being banned in the day simply because his credit card ended in 6666 they thought it was a fake.

    No, i don't. Why is it so hard for some people to read and understand a simple post? I think i made it perfectly clear that:

    1. This was from the official forums and i don't even play the game.

    2. I am not complaining that they want their money back i am saying that it is shady business practice and unprofessional to allow cheaters back into the game as long as they pay up.

    1. you now are back peddling from the entire opening post.

    It says there in the SECOND SENTENCE and let me quote it for you: "They would actually re-instate the cheaters account if he paid up."

    2. If this was not your issue, why post it here (defamation case)

    Are you saying i am defaming Trion? 

    3. Showing compassion to these people who DID hack  / bug the game, unprofessional /facepalm

    Where did i show compassion? I said and let me stress this again from the OP: They would re-instate cheaters that should not be allowed back into the game.

    ...

    7. A company could just call the police.

    8. If people are going to act like this, I as a community leader would call the police and show that you can't steal from mmorpgs item mall or currency systems.

    Then why don't they do it and get rid of the cheaters? They instead allow them to pay up and get back into the game.

     

  • KangaroomouseKangaroomouse Member Posts: 394
    Originally posted by olepi

    After coming back from Vegas, it strikes me how similar this case is to a casino. In both cases, the "house" creates the currency, either APEX or casino chips. This currency is only good within the game, it is worthless in any other context. The "house" can create as much of this currency as they want.

    However, if you are caught cheating in a Vegas casino, they won't just ask you to pay for the illegally-gotten chips. You'll get banned and consider yourself lucky that you don't end up with broken fingers, or worse.

    And of course, all the casinos share a book of cheaters, so you'll quickly get banned from all the other casinos too.

    And that is exactly why i made the post and the right thing to do not let them back into the casino after they paid up.

    I am not even sure if Trion is not liable also for not reporting this theft if it indeed is a criminal offense.

  • maybebakedmaybebaked Member UncommonPosts: 305
    Cue DMKano to defend Trion.
  • KangaroomouseKangaroomouse Member Posts: 394
    Originally posted by DMKano

    You are still not getting it:

    Not all cheaters fall in the same bucket.

    The really bad ones are permanently banned when cought - 3rd party hack tool users for example

    Apex cheaters in this instance are a lot lesser offenders - because they exploited bad client code

     You don't treat all cheaters with same severity - no mmo studio does - they all give 2nd chances to lesser offenders.

    So defrauding a company off 43 APEX worth around $500 is a lesser offense?

    I wonder what you have to do for a serious offense.

  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,610
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by DMKano

    You are still not getting it:

    Not all cheaters fall in the same bucket.

    The really bad ones are permanently banned when cought - 3rd party hack tool users for example

    Apex cheaters in this instance are a lot lesser offenders - because they exploited bad client code

     You don't treat all cheaters with same severity - no mmo studio does - they all give 2nd chances to lesser offenders.

    So defrauding a company off 43 APEX worth around $500 is a lesser offense?

    I wonder what you have to do for a serious offense.

     Yes when a company releases a broken product. If I can get  in game currency by just playing the game then how am I defrauding/stealing?

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  • SoandsosoSoandsoso Member Posts: 533
    Originally posted by immodium
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by DMKano

    You are still not getting it:

    Not all cheaters fall in the same bucket.

    The really bad ones are permanently banned when cought - 3rd party hack tool users for example

    Apex cheaters in this instance are a lot lesser offenders - because they exploited bad client code

     You don't treat all cheaters with same severity - no mmo studio does - they all give 2nd chances to lesser offenders.

    So defrauding a company off 43 APEX worth around $500 is a lesser offense?

    I wonder what you have to do for a serious offense.

     Yes when a company releases a broken product. If I can get  in game currency by just playing the game then how am I defrauding/stealing?

    The fact that you know its a broken product and know enough to exploit the broken mechanic tells me you know what you are doing is wrong but you just don't care.

    Its your lack of character that's the problem here.

  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,610
    Originally posted by Soandsoso

    The fact that you know its a broken product and know enough to exploit the broken mechanic tells me you know what you are doing is wrong but you just don't care.

    Its your lack of character that's the problem here.

    I never used the dupe. But to place blame on the players when a company release a broken product is what I find shady.

    And Trion asking for money for their ineptness is laughable.

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  • BurntvetBurntvet Member RarePosts: 3,465

    I laugh at everyone:

    I laugh at Trion and the other jokers for having such a buggy product after 3 releases (testing? hello?).

    I laugh at people defending their precious AA, from people with legitimate criticisms. (Who can defend some of the stuff, really?)

    I laugh at cheaters bitching about getting shaken down for cash, after they got caught cheating.

    And I laugh at anyone who really cares at this point anyway, as AA is just another cash shop driven, Korean grinder that is not particularly good, to begin with.

     

    So at this point, people should just write off AA and play something else.

  • CallidorCallidor Member Posts: 371
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse

    This has to be the lowest a company can go. They would actually re-instate the cheaters account if he paid up.

    Even asking for this is unprofessional to say the least.

    This is really telling where the priorities for Trion are.

     

     

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    Trionwreck 2014

    You can cheat and exploit as long as you pay up if you get caught.

    And this is different how from any game?

    You get caught - you get another account - you pay and play again.

    My friend was cheating in CoD - his Xbox account got banned - so he just bought another copy and got a new Xbox account setup - and guess what - he was cheating again.

    People who cheat don't stop because they get banned.

    Hello....

    They pay and cheat again, happens in EVERY game.

     

     

    Just stop DM, you parrot this same argument every time now. "Well every other game....." Its not a defense, its not a counter argument, its just parroting the same tired line. Fact is, they dont care if you cheated, theyre fine letting you back in to cheat some more, as long as you spend more cash. Get a new argument pal.

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  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935

    I think this in itself, if it was an isolated incident where the economy was not  so "player"-based, it would not be such an issue.  But taking the whole picture in, I think it's a really bad move on Trion's part.  This comes after countless stumbles beginning with early access and launch.  The forums, especially here, show that there are quite a lot of unhappy people with Trion as of late.  I'm not sure who's calling the shots, but if it's Hartman, he needs to go before this turns into another 'closed studio' situation.

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935
    Double post.  Sorry.
  • SoandsosoSoandsoso Member Posts: 533
    Originally posted by Deleted User
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse

    This has to be the lowest a company can go. They would actually re-instate the cheaters account if he paid up.

    Even asking for this is unprofessional to say the least.

    This is really telling where the priorities for Trion are.

     

     

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    Trionwreck 2014

    You can cheat and exploit as long as you pay up if you get caught.

    And this is different how from any game?

    You get caught - you get another account - you pay and play again.

    My friend was cheating in CoD - his Xbox account got banned - so he just bought another copy and got a new Xbox account setup - and guess what - he was cheating again.

    People who cheat don't stop because they get banned.

    Hello....

    They pay and cheat again, happens in EVERY game.

     

     

    Just stop DM, you parrot this same argument every time now. "Well every other game....." Its not a defense, its not a counter argument, its just parroting the same tired line. Fact is, they dont care if you cheated, theyre fine letting you back in to cheat some more, as long as you spend more cash. Get a new argument pal.

    You are correct.

    Its not a defense.

    Its not a counter.

    Its a statement of fact that people who cheat will just find a way to cheat again.

    And Trion is not unique when it comes to this.

    I will be right there to proclaim Trion's mishandling of AA but this issue is not unique to them.

    Every game company lets cheaters back.

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  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935
    Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

     I agree with Kano. I'm taking law and ethics this term and this thread is a prime example of defamation / or really bad trolling.

    There's a 38 page thread on the official forums on it.  It's on page 2 General section.  It's a hot topic on the archeage subreddit.  I don't think it's trolling.

  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse

    This has to be the lowest a company can go. They would actually re-instate the cheaters account if he paid up.

    Even asking for this is unprofessional to say the least.

    This is really telling where the priorities for Trion are.

     

     

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    Trionwreck 2014

    You can cheat and exploit as long as you pay up if you get caught.

    And this is different how from any game?

    You get caught - you get another account - you pay and play again.

    My friend was cheating in CoD - his Xbox account got banned - so he just bought another copy and got a new Xbox account setup - and guess what - he was cheating again.

    People who cheat don't stop because they get banned.

    Hello....

    They pay and cheat again, happens in EVERY game.

     

     

    Except that is absolutely not what is happening in this case.

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  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 605

    I doubt even Trion would go that low. That e-mail could very easily be fake.

     

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Bottom line, the only people that need to get offended or upset about this are the people that duped/ exploit or intend to dupe/ exploit.

     

    I don't do either, so I don't care. Why shouldn't Trion make money off cheats? It might even teach them a life lesson along the way.

     

    If that isn't you, the exploiting I mean, then I suspect that you are just one of those people that run around the internet looking for drama to throw your hands up in the air and make noise about.

  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 605
    Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by jircris
    So your complaining that they want their money that you BASICALLY stole from them? heh kids these days, i remember my friend being banned in the day simply because his credit card ended in 6666 they thought it was a fake.

    No, i don't. Why is it so hard for some people to read and understand a simple post? I think i made it perfectly clear that:

    1. This was from the official forums and i don't even play the game.

    2. I am not complaining that they want their money back i am saying that it is shady business practice and unprofessional to allow cheaters back into the game as long as they pay up.

    1. you now are back peddling from the entire opening post.

    It says there in the SECOND SENTENCE and let me quote it for you: "They would actually re-instate the cheaters account if he paid up."

    2. If this was not your issue, why post it here (defamation case)

    Are you saying i am defaming Trion? 

    3. Showing compassion to these people who DID hack  / bug the game, unprofessional /facepalm

    Where did i show compassion? I said and let me stress this again since you have a hard time understanding my OP: They would re-instate cheaters that should not be allowed back into the game.

    ...

    7. A company could just call the police.

    8. If people are going to act like this, I as a community leader would call the police and show that you can't steal from mmorpgs item mall or currency systems.

    Then why don't they do it and get rid of the cheaters? They instead allow them to pay up and get back into the game.

    You make no sense you know that, right? 

     

    You are still not getting it:

    Not all cheaters fall in the same bucket.

    The really bad ones are permanently banned when cought - 3rd party hack tool users for example

    Apex cheaters in this instance are a lot lesser offenders - because they exploited bad client code

     

    You don't treat all cheaters with same severity - no mmo studio does - they all give 2nd chances to lesser offenders.

     

    Also this part - is very much defamation - because its complete bullshit - you are overgeneralizing and not taking into account that permanent bans are still in effect for serious cheaters

    "Trionwreck 2014

    You can cheat and exploit as long as you pay up if you get caught."

    Its sensationalists bullshit 

     I agree with Kano. I'm taking law and ethics this term and this thread is a prime example of defamation / or really bad trolling.

    Cause allowing known cheaters back into the game in exchange for cash is OK, according to you?

  • SoandsosoSoandsoso Member Posts: 533
    Originally posted by Vesavius

    Bottom line, the only people that need to get offended or upset about this are the people that duped/ exploit or intend to dupe/ exploit.

     

    I don't do either, so I don't care. Why shouldn't Trion make money off cheats? It might even teach them a life lesson along the way.

     

    If that isn't you, the exploiting I mean, then I suspect that you are just one of those people that run around the internet looking for drama to throw your hands up in the air and make noise about.

    God-smacked by common sense....moving on.

  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    Originally posted by Pie_Rat
    Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by jircris
    So your complaining that they want their money that you BASICALLY stole from them? heh kids these days, i remember my friend being banned in the day simply because his credit card ended in 6666 they thought it was a fake.

    No, i don't. Why is it so hard for some people to read and understand a simple post? I think i made it perfectly clear that:

    1. This was from the official forums and i don't even play the game.

    2. I am not complaining that they want their money back i am saying that it is shady business practice and unprofessional to allow cheaters back into the game as long as they pay up.

    1. you now are back peddling from the entire opening post.

    It says there in the SECOND SENTENCE and let me quote it for you: "They would actually re-instate the cheaters account if he paid up."

    2. If this was not your issue, why post it here (defamation case)

    Are you saying i am defaming Trion? 

    3. Showing compassion to these people who DID hack  / bug the game, unprofessional /facepalm

    Where did i show compassion? I said and let me stress this again since you have a hard time understanding my OP: They would re-instate cheaters that should not be allowed back into the game.

    ...

    7. A company could just call the police.

    8. If people are going to act like this, I as a community leader would call the police and show that you can't steal from mmorpgs item mall or currency systems.

    Then why don't they do it and get rid of the cheaters? They instead allow them to pay up and get back into the game.

    You make no sense you know that, right? 

     

    You are still not getting it:

    Not all cheaters fall in the same bucket.

    The really bad ones are permanently banned when cought - 3rd party hack tool users for example

    Apex cheaters in this instance are a lot lesser offenders - because they exploited bad client code

     

    You don't treat all cheaters with same severity - no mmo studio does - they all give 2nd chances to lesser offenders.

     

    Also this part - is very much defamation - because its complete bullshit - you are overgeneralizing and not taking into account that permanent bans are still in effect for serious cheaters

    "Trionwreck 2014

    You can cheat and exploit as long as you pay up if you get caught."

    Its sensationalists bullshit 

     I agree with Kano. I'm taking law and ethics this term and this thread is a prime example of defamation / or really bad trolling.

    Cause allowing known cheaters back into the game in exchange for cash is OK, according to you?

    Many MMO allowed known cheaters come back in the game just this time is for cash, this case seem like was exploit in the system took them a bit to fix due to coders for the game don't work in trion and trion with there own working on server side trying and testing if it worked, so now the damage is done, the one exploited not winning here if they have the money to pay anything over the cost to even play on there acct. again.

    But cheaters are cheaters, think? on banned them going make them stop playing? they just keep doing again and again.

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,838
    Originally posted by Pie_Rat
    Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
    Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
    Originally posted by jircris
    So your complaining that they want their money that you BASICALLY stole from them? heh kids these days, i remember my friend being banned in the day simply because his credit card ended in 6666 they thought it was a fake.

    No, i don't. Why is it so hard for some people to read and understand a simple post? I think i made it perfectly clear that:

    1. This was from the official forums and i don't even play the game.

    2. I am not complaining that they want their money back i am saying that it is shady business practice and unprofessional to allow cheaters back into the game as long as they pay up.

    1. you now are back peddling from the entire opening post.

    It says there in the SECOND SENTENCE and let me quote it for you: "They would actually re-instate the cheaters account if he paid up."

    2. If this was not your issue, why post it here (defamation case)

    Are you saying i am defaming Trion? 

    3. Showing compassion to these people who DID hack  / bug the game, unprofessional /facepalm

    Where did i show compassion? I said and let me stress this again since you have a hard time understanding my OP: They would re-instate cheaters that should not be allowed back into the game.

    ...

    7. A company could just call the police.

    8. If people are going to act like this, I as a community leader would call the police and show that you can't steal from mmorpgs item mall or currency systems.

    Then why don't they do it and get rid of the cheaters? They instead allow them to pay up and get back into the game.

    You make no sense you know that, right? 

     

    You are still not getting it:

    Not all cheaters fall in the same bucket.

    The really bad ones are permanently banned when cought - 3rd party hack tool users for example

    Apex cheaters in this instance are a lot lesser offenders - because they exploited bad client code

     

    You don't treat all cheaters with same severity - no mmo studio does - they all give 2nd chances to lesser offenders.

     

    Also this part - is very much defamation - because its complete bullshit - you are overgeneralizing and not taking into account that permanent bans are still in effect for serious cheaters

    "Trionwreck 2014

    You can cheat and exploit as long as you pay up if you get caught."

    Its sensationalists bullshit 

     I agree with Kano. I'm taking law and ethics this term and this thread is a prime example of defamation / or really bad trolling.

    Cause allowing known cheaters back into the game in exchange for cash is OK, according to you?

    It's not ok with me at all. It is a fairly common asian mmorpg thing though. 

     

    There is an old adage "All money ain't good money". In the west players expect developers/publishes to ascribe to that adage and not let cheaters backing; feeling that the game is better w/o those people and their money.

    "We see fundamentals and we ape in"
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