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  • newtextdocumentnewtextdocument Member Posts: 37
    Originally posted by KaitarBesh
    This law is pretty stupid, as is the banning of a video game people have the choice to buy or not buy.   For those bringing up the slippery slope argument:  morality, in this case, isn't that hard to understand. Homosexuality, unlike pedophilia, is usually between consenting adults. I can completely understand banning/criminalizing pedophilia or rape, because it is not consentual. However, what goes on between two (or more) adults that have given their consent and whose actions are harming no one else? Yeah, government and religious zealots should find something else to go work themselves up about.  

    This was the only decent argument that was put up but even this is flawed because you are saying as long as people consent it should be ok.

     

    In that case should heroin be legal and loan sharks and indentured servitude (ie slavery for debt) because its consensual?

     

    I understand there is a blurry line for morality and each country has its own morals, people shouldn't go around shoving their nations idea of morality on other nations by force like the UK and USA repeatedly do.

     

    This is why brits like me even support the decline of the UK because my nation (the uk) persistently does the wrong thing and tries to force other nations into listening to it much like the usa.

  • Spankster77Spankster77 Member UncommonPosts: 487
    Originally posted by rounner
    Saying open slather porn and violence for everyone is freedom is like saying legal crack for everyone is freedom.

    One adult watching two legal age consenting adults perform sexual acts on each other is not a travesty and it is in fact part of my freedoms.  I don't have to watch it, but I do. 

     

    Here is what most people don't realize...  Someone that would smoke crack will find another way to destroy their life without the crack.  We all know who these people are from the time we are young.  At least 1/2 of the kids I went to school with that I looked at and said, "this guy will end up behind bars at some point", have done so. 

     

    As far as kids go, if you don't want your kids smoking crack or watching porn on the internet do your job and actually parent them.  Be involved in their lives, be an active part of their world, know what they are doing on the computer and their phones, etc.  Don't blame video games, drug dealers, the kardashians, etc for children being messed up, blame the parents.

     

    Something like 40k people died last year in car accidents in the USA alone, should we ban cars?   600k died last year from heart disease, should we ban unhealthy food?  At what point do people have to take personal responsibility for themselves and their children?

  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 3,997
    Originally posted by newtextdocument
    Ive read this post and as an Asian that lives in the west, let me say this.  Well i read it as a Scandinavian and more specific a Swede... (So we are on a equal plane) Don't expect to impose western ideas of morality on the rest of the world, other countries have their own beliefs and morals.  Well... As far as i know this is not about western morality seeing how a big part of the "western" cultural sphere feel the same way your parents does.Not that i demand that you have any deep knowledge about the subject but Christinaity and it´s siblings pretty much step away from the thing too.. A few more secularized nations simply said.. "hi church... We do not consult you before making laws any ore.. bye" And it is not like it is a unified mass that stand behind this The west always thinks it has the right to tell people what to believe and when they choose not, you guys bomb us.  Yeah... Bring that up again... Because there was no wars in the asian region before "West" came in... This is not about colonialism... It is about peoples right to express their love for each other.. you know.. Like in nature... You don't like it, tough, run your own country.  Was that not the entire argukent here that we are and that you feel be a forcing you to accept homosexuality. Also i do not need to run my own contry seeing as i live in one where basic human rights are respected... Btw I also think da3 should be legal but the rest of my family are religious. They have a different set of beliefs from me and have every right to.  Yeah sure they do... They also i hope have the right to express those... But that does not give them the right to dictate how people should live. Lol at the person who said how great American freedom was, this from the nation that imprisons whistleblowers for doing the right thing and bombs 1/2 the world because they wont do what America says.  You do know that the world consists of more the America right....? If anything America and americans are the most tyrannical corrupt nation on earth.  No.... That would be North Korea... Not saying that it is not a monster created by the US but they are worse... By far. Keep your own morals, you wouldn't like it if Asians or Africans forced their beliefs on you so don't shove it down our throats.  Actually IIRC there are very good points about how to be a good human being in both Hindu and Buddist faith... But i am not a theology major so feel free to link me the passages that say that the only truth is a man and an woman loving each other in the faith you follow.... You are hypocrite biggots. That word... i am not sure it actually mean what you think it does....

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  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG Member UncommonPosts: 1,327
    Originally posted by jpnole
    It looks like all the gamers in India woke up to some bad news today: http://segmentnext.com/2014/11/15/dragon-age-inquisition-coming-india-ea-confirms/    

    I don't think a lot of Indians are into that type of game anyways.

     

    Don't think fantasy sells well in India.

  • newtextdocumentnewtextdocument Member Posts: 37

    No, that's just your country's idea of morality.

     

    Alcohol is a drug yet perfectly legal in the uk when other less harmful ones are illegal. This is just a question of what morals a nation has.

     

    That in itself proves many people take drugs without destroying their lives so your argument that consent should make all things legal is flawed and your argument that ok only things which don't destroy your life and have consent should be legal wrong too.

     

    You are just adding on bits to your already ridiculous argument to promote your idea of morality over anothers. India isn't your country, the middle east isn't your area, people in other countries have their own morals and you have no right to try to force yours on them or us.

     

    If jamaice wants homosexuality to stay illegal then that's an issue for them, their morality and their country, not yours.

     

    For example, homosexuality is still illegal in the majority of the commonwealth and many other nations.

     

    Consent doesn't make something right, whether its right or wrong is a question of morality and different nations have different morals.

     

    Don't be so arragoant as to think that your American idea of morality should be forced on every other nation, you wouldn't like it if we forced our beliefs on you but are so keen to force yours on us and bomb us.

     

    You are hypocrites.

  • AlverantAlverant Member RarePosts: 986
    Originally posted by neum
    I wish more countries would stand up for morality.  Not all gamers enjoy the smut and agendas that EA / BioWare peddles and forces down  peoples throats.

    Any country that puts an arrest warrant on a skeptic for proving a crying statue "miracle" was nothing more than a leaky toilet has no place to talk about morality.

     

    If you don't like it, don't buy it.

  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 3,997
    Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
    Originally posted by jpnole
    It looks like all the gamers in India woke up to some bad news today: http://segmentnext.com/2014/11/15/dragon-age-inquisition-coming-india-ea-confirms/    

    I don't think a lot of Indians are into that type of game anyways.

     

    Don't think fantasy sells well in India.

    Western fantasy to be more exact, their own mythos is fairly popular afaik.

     

    But you are right, IIRC the estimate was a few thousand units if the amount if DA games imported earlier in the series is anything to go by.

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  • AlverantAlverant Member RarePosts: 986
    Originally posted by newtextdocument
    No, that's just your country's idea of morality.

    It doesn't make homophobia moral either. Given how India treats women and religious minorities, it has no creditibly when it tries to preach about "morality". You say consent doesn't make something right, but at least consent was requested. Care to explain the caste system still in place in India? The game is not "forcing" morality, people have the option to buy. No one is being forced to play it. But the religious government is forcing their twisted morality on everyone else by taking away that option.

  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 3,997
    Originally posted by newtextdocument

    Don't be so arragoant as to think that your American idea of morality should be forced on every other nation, you wouldn't like it if we forced our beliefs on you but are so keen to force yours on us and bomb us.   You are hypocrites.

    Was that aimed at me.. (hard to say without any qoutes)

     

    Sorry... Not American... But nice try.

     

     

    Any way homosexuality does not hurt anyone on it´s own.

     

    And there is not really a population issue any more so to promote a specific combination of partnership in order to secure a healthy population is kind of redundant.

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  • newtextdocumentnewtextdocument Member Posts: 37
    Originally posted by tawess
    Originally posted by newtextdocument
    Ive read this post and as an Asian that lives in the west, let me say this.  Well i read it as a Scandinavian and more specific a Swede... (So we are on a equal plane)

    Fair point

    Don't expect to impose western ideas of morality on the rest of the world, other countries have their own beliefs and morals.

     Well... As far as i know this is not about western morality seeing how a big part of the "western" cultural sphere feel the same way your parents does.Not that i demand that you have any deep knowledge about the subject but Christinaity and it´s siblings pretty much step away from the thing too.. A few more secularized nations simply said.. "hi church... We do not consult you before making laws any ore.. bye" And it is not like it is a unified mass that stand behind this

    Actually you are wrong, this is all about the people who don't live in india trying to force their beliefs upon another nation with different morals than them and pretending its ok for them to do it but not ok for example if jihadis want to set up an Islamic republic in the middle of the usa.

    The west always thinks it has the right to tell people what to believe and when they choose not, you guys bomb us.

     Yeah... Bring that up again... Because there was no wars in the asian region before "West" came in... This is not about colonialism... It is about peoples right to express their love for each other.. you know.. Like in nature...

    Peoples right to express that someone elses morals in another country that are different from theirs are wrong. Wrong my ass, they are different not wrong. Morals are subjective, this is something the west doesn't gget when it tries to impose its beliefs on other nations.

    You don't like it, tough, run your own country.

     Was that not the entire argukent here that we are and that you feel be a forcing you to accept homosexuality. Also i do not need to run my own contry seeing as i live in one where basic human rights are respected...

    You completely missed me on this 1, personally I don't care about homosexuality, I think it should be legal but my family is religious and believes it should be illegal. ive lived in a country where it is illegal and 1 where it is legal. In both countries, the majority of the population supported the law. Your idea of basic human rights is just another made up thing to support your idea of morality. For example, the Eu calls population control a human rights abuse. I don't think it is, I think its a necessity and good planning for the future of our planet. Like I said before, different countries have different morals, don't pretend yours is any more special than another country's just because its yours.

    Btw I also think da3 should be legal but the rest of my family are religious. They have a different set of beliefs from me and have every right to.

     Yeah sure they do... They also i hope have the right to express those... But that does not give them the right to dictate how people should live.
    They aren't expressing these comments though are they, you are. You haven't even been there, I actually originate from that area and have been there most of my life. Im not like you lecturing another nation about how much more important my morals are than theirs unlike you.

     

    Lol at the person who said how great American freedom was, this from the nation that imprisons whistleblowers for doing the right thing and bombs 1/2 the world because they wont do what America says.

     You do know that the world consists of more the America right....?
    IRead the opening, I was laughing at the guys speaking about how great American freedom is and I still am. If anything America and americans are the most tyrannical corrupt nation on earth.  No.... That would be North Korea... Not saying that it is not a monster created by the US but they are worse... By far.

    Nope again, that's your opinion and I respect it but I disagree. America by far kills the most people around the world and bombs the most nations. Not only that, it doesn't try to run its own country but rather flies 1/2 way across the world to bomb people on other continents whoa re no threat to them so I still believe America is the most corrupt nation on earth and support its enemies.

    Keep your own morals, you wouldn't like it if Asians or Africans forced their beliefs on you so don't shove it down our throats.

     Actually IIRC there are very good points about how to be a good human being in both Hindu and Buddist faith... But i am not a theology major so feel free to link me the passages that say that the only truth is a man and an woman loving each other in the faith you follow....

    No offence, but theology isn't a real subject in my opinion, you might as well do media studies.  You despite your studies still don't realise that the idea of good and bad are subjective and thus morals too. So you have to respect the right of other nations to run themselves according to their own beliefs even if you see them as bad which you don't seem to understand but I bet you would oppose if Saudi Arabia tried to impose its laws on you because it sees you as bad. its a 2 way street.

    You are hypocrite biggots.

    That word... i am not sure it actually mean what you think it does....

    It means you think its ok to force your beliefs on other nations but not for them to impose them on you. that makes oyu a hypocrite. You are a bigot because you think your opinion or morals are more important than another person morals because they are yours.

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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 3,997
    Originally posted by newtextdocument
     

    Btw I also think da3 should be legal but the rest of my family are religious. They have a different set of beliefs from me and have every right to.

     Yeah sure they do... They also i hope have the right to express those... But that does not give them the right to dictate how people should live.
    They aren't expressing these comments though are they, you are. You haven't even been there, I actually originate from that area and have been there most of my life. Im not like you lecturing another nation about how much more important my morals are than theirs unlike you.

     Well you are lecturing.,,, =)

    If anything America and americans are the most tyrannical corrupt nation on earth.

     No.... That would be North Korea... Not saying that it is not a monster created by the US but they are worse... By far.
    Nope again, that's your opinion and I respect it but I disagree. America by far kills the most people around the world and bombs the most nations. Not only that, it doesn't try to run its own country but rather flies 1/2 way across the world to bomb people on other continents whoa re no threat to them so I still believe America is the most corrupt nation on earth and support its enemies. Keep your own morals, you wouldn't like it if Asians or Africans forced their beliefs on you so don't shove it down our throats.  Actually IIRC there are very good points about how to be a good human being in both Hindu and Buddist faith... But i am not a theology major so feel free to link me the passages that say that the only truth is a man and an woman loving each other in the faith you follow....

    No offence, but theology isn't a real subject in my opinion, you might as well do media studies.  You despite your studies still don't realise that the idea of good and bad are subjective and thus morals too. So you have to respect the right of other nations to run themselves according to their own beliefs even if you see them as bad which you don't seem to understand but I bet you would oppose if Saudi Arabia tried to impose its laws on you because it sees you as bad. its a 2 way street.

     

    Well religion has everything to do with it. All your morals comes from the faith.... It is the core function of a faith, to conform a society to a set of rules and morals.

     

    I do respect Indias right to set their own laws... I do not respect how they look at human beings... But as you say.. i do not live in india and with the laws they have... I find it unlikley that i ever will seeing how i would be.. well.. Illegal...

     

    And i care not all that much to live in such a place.

     

    But do explain to me how homosexuality hurts anyone... I an all ears on that one.

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  • TheAmirTheAmir Member UncommonPosts: 433
    Originally posted by newtextdocument
    Originally posted by KaitarBesh
    This law is pretty stupid, as is the banning of a video game people have the choice to buy or not buy.   For those bringing up the slippery slope argument:  morality, in this case, isn't that hard to understand. Homosexuality, unlike pedophilia, is usually between consenting adults. I can completely understand banning/criminalizing pedophilia or rape, because it is not consentual. However, what goes on between two (or more) adults that have given their consent and whose actions are harming no one else? Yeah, government and religious zealots should find something else to go work themselves up about.  

    This was the only decent argument that was put up but even this is flawed because you are saying as long as people consent it should be ok.

     

    In that case should heroin be legal and loan sharks and indentured servitude (ie slavery for debt) because its consensual?

     

    I understand there is a blurry line for morality and each country has its own morals, people shouldn't go around shoving their nations idea of morality on other nations by force like the UK and USA repeatedly do.

     

    This is why brits like me even support the decline of the UK because my nation (the uk) persistently does the wrong thing and tries to force other nations into listening to it much like the usa.

     

    You missed the part when I said morality IN THIS CASE was easy to define. Also, taking things out of context much?

    But for the record - my personal view? If it's consensual and harming or exploiting no one else? Sure, go for it.

    But India? Come on.  They can't get on a soap box about homosexuality, which in and of itself is harmless and, some may argue, natural (found in many species) when they practically condone rape, child prostitution and a caste system that judges your worth/fate on how dark your skin is.

    So, if you want to say America (or any other nation) "pushes its views on others wrongly" by trying to promote some damned human (and even, to a lesser degree, animal) rights to people who are being raped, beaten or forced into prostitution?  Or even frowning upon considering homosexual activity "criminal"... ?

    You've got a pretty twisted sense of morality yourself there buddy. No one in India would be forcing anyone to buy this game or even partake in the homosexual relationship options, so yeah, it's a stupid, stupid law, especially in a place that has a really shady human rights record. But thousands of women and children in India are being raped and sold into prostitution but OH NO WE'D BETTER NOT PUSH OUR MORALS ON THEM THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM. IT'D BE TYRANNY AND HYPOCRITICAL IF WE WERE TO TRY TO IMPOSE OUR MORALITY BY GETTING A COUNTRY TO STOP RAPE AND FORCED PROSTITUTION.

    Ok. Right.

    I'm hoping one day the entire world stops being so stupid. America has its own moral and religious-fanatic problems, but sheesh, compared to India , it's a pretty nice place to live.

     

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  • HrimnirHrimnir Member RarePosts: 2,399
    Originally posted by neum
    I wish more countries would stand up for morality.  Not all gamers enjoy the smut and agendas that EA / BioWare peddles and forces down  peoples throats.

    Said like a dyed in the wool Statist.

    You do realize how hypocritical this statement is?  Nobody is forcing anybody to go and buy and install and play this game.  Just like nobody is forcing you to go down to the porn shop and buy porn.

    Forcing your beliefs down someone else's throats by preventing them access to things like this is just as bad / no worse than the exact opposite.

    Now, should there be some regulations about where and how this stuff is advertised? Sure, but actually government style keeping someone from even buying it.  Its absurd.

    "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

    - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • UproarUproar Member UncommonPosts: 521
    Originally posted by Asheram
    Originally posted by neum
    I wish more countries would stand up for morality.  Not all gamers enjoy the smut and agendas that EA / BioWare peddles and forces down  peoples throats.

    So you would be ok with your "country" deciding for you what you can or can not do?

     

    Not sure where you live, but I do not know a country that does not do this; to a very large degree.

     

    Perhaps you meant to say something more specific.

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  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 5,669

    This puzzled me as I myself am a Hindu and know a little about the type of stories that exist even in the Vedic text but most telling is the art in the temples that depict homosexuality.  Therefore am not certain why the homosexuality is an issue.

     

    http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/report-love-cast-in-stone-temples-in-india-depicting-erotic-art-1907716

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  • SidadSidad Member UncommonPosts: 50
    Originally posted by Azoth
    @Sidad, Mature content like killing people?
    In every bioware game, if you get to the point of having a relation between characters it's because you tried really hard to get there. You wont have any sex scene that you didnt pursue yourself.
    Have you played any of their games?

     

    Yea I did play most if not all titles. I see your point. You are right. Actually I hoped to be able to avoid persuading relationships. So as long as there is no random sex scenes that I cannot avoid I would rather skip relationship part of the game. Also I hope I can turn off gore i.e beheading and similar stuff. I think we get enough of that stuff on tv. My 10 year old is asking me to play the game so I got to see for myself first if content of the game is appropriate for kids.

    Now I'm off to play the game, finally. Thx.

  • CazrielCazriel Member UncommonPosts: 363
    I'm always confused by the "don't force your morals down our throats" perspective regarding something entirely voluntary.   Being stoned to death or ritually murdered because you refused to  make an arranged marriage (a common occurrence in parts of India) is having morals forced upon you.  Going online and spending money on a game that was made in another country and whose content has been well documented is not having morality forced down your throat.   That's you going out and willingly participating.   No one has to go far from their  front door to find individuals engaged in practices they find morally reprehensible.   So if your looking for moral outrage, you don't need to go to the bother of paying money for it. 
  • Stuka1000Stuka1000 Member UncommonPosts: 955
    Originally posted by neum
    I wish more countries would stand up for morality.  Not all gamers enjoy the smut and agendas that EA / BioWare peddles and forces down  peoples throats.

    Simple answer to you for that bud, DON'T BUY IT.  In fact don't even acknowledge the fact that it exists so that the rest of us can enjoy the game in peace.

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