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Twitch TV now bans nude, suggestive streaming

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 7,142
    Originally posted by OhhPaigey
    Originally posted by nbtscan
    I don't really watch twitch streams, but I had no idea this was even a thing.  I only heard about one case where this guy playing Diablo 3 (Kripp) would have his girlfriend on the stream while he was playing to get more viewers, but I didn't know girls who aren't genuine gamers were using twitch as a means to wear skimpy clothing and make money.

    My friend linked me a stream the other day, this is what I saw, it's sad people have to resort to this and I'm glad something is being done about it: http://i.imgur.com/UC0Chef.jpg

    I agree that this is stupid and a literally in your face tactic to acquire viewers / followers and possibly gain some capital via donations. However, banning this might cause legal issues because who's to decide what is too provocative or alluring. I really don't care myself. I say let people do whatever they want, within reason of course. I see this as a political statement and nothing else.

  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Originally posted by OhhPaigey
    Originally posted by nbtscan
    I don't really watch twitch streams, but I had no idea this was even a thing.  I only heard about one case where this guy playing Diablo 3 (Kripp) would have his girlfriend on the stream while he was playing to get more viewers, but I didn't know girls who aren't genuine gamers were using twitch as a means to wear skimpy clothing and make money.

    My friend linked me a stream the other day, this is what I saw, it's sad people have to resort to this and I'm glad something is being done about it: http://i.imgur.com/UC0Chef.jpg

    My question would be, is the stream relevant? Nudity, yeah, for sure, get rid of it. I've got kids watching it, so I appreciate that. However, in the link you give, does the player present herself as someone relevant? Or does she get viewers simply by bouncing up and down? 

     

    I think there is a real fine line where feminism becomes hypocritical. So in the case of the image provided, if the gamer is actually doing a completely relevant stream in the same vein as, say, stampylonghead *shudder* then are we basically saying that it's NOT ok to have big boobs? I think that it's so much more about context, and that's what I think is a real issue. Do we really need to have super-fantastical boob physics in fighting games? Meh, probably not. Is it ok that Lara Croft happens to have large breasts. Yeah, why not? 

    Crazkanuk

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  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,517
    Well there's always that thin line with ToS and laws but I think and the case of that screenshot it'd be an instant ban, it's pretty easy to tell who's there for what just from viewing their stream for 1 minute.
    When all is said and done, more is always said than done.
  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 6,434
    Originally posted by Rhoklaw
    ...you know what will happen. Some other streaming company will simply allow streamers do do whatever they want. If there is a market for something and money to be made, trust me, someone will design the product. I understand the fundamentals of equality and agree with them, but I also believe in freedom of speech and expression. In my opinion, games can be viewed as entertainment, not a means for politically correct education.

    Of course some other streaming website will allow it. Just like some other website allows you to post your home-made porn videos but Youtube does not. I think it's a sound business decision for Twitch TV to try to focus on being more respectable and widely accepted, and boot those masturbation-aid streams to some other corner of the net.

    It does not threaten your freedom of speech or expression in any way if you have to surf to a dedicated website to seek out erotic content.

     
  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 7,142
    Twitch has every right to enforce their site however they wish, so I want to retract my statement of legal issues. This will however just cause a reduction in overall viewers to their site. They are simply trading one group of peoples interests for another.

  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,517
    Well the good news is there's a lot of porn sites that they can move to, cuz that's where they belong anyways.
    When all is said and done, more is always said than done.
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Originally posted by OhhPaigey
    Well there's always that thin line with ToS and laws but I think and the case of that screenshot it'd be an instant ban, it's pretty easy to tell who's there for what just from viewing their stream for 1 minute.

    Lmao, well, if that's the case then I guess she's gonna have to move on, lol. 

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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 3,237
    Originally posted by Lazzaro

    So you're telling me 90% of 'female gamer's" will lose all their followers?

    Yes.

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  • iridescenceiridescence Member UncommonPosts: 1,552
    Originally posted by Rhoklaw
     

    Perhaps it is timing, but as long as computer games and twitch have existed and the fact there IS a feminist movement in the gaming industry, it wouldn't surprise me that it is indeed connected. However, you know what will happen. Some other streaming company will simply allow streamers do do whatever they want. If there is a market for something and money to be made, trust me, someone will design the product. I understand the fundamentals of equality and agree with them, but I also believe in freedom of speech and expression. In my opinion, games can be viewed as entertainment, not a means for politically correct education.

    You have no freedom of speech or expression  on Twitch. They can censor you as much as they want on their private site. Like you said some other company could come along and try to get that market but I don't think you have to agree with everything Anita Sarkeesian says to not want people showing off their boobs when they're supposed to be playing a game. You're just being an alarmist about this.

     

     

  • iridescenceiridescence Member UncommonPosts: 1,552
    Originally posted by Asm0deus
    Originally posted by Lazzaro

    So you're telling me 90% of 'female gamer's" will lose all their followers?

    Yes.

    I'd be surprised if 1% of actual female gamers who stream have the lack of self respect required to use these kind of tactics. Sure the ones who don't even like games and are just exploiting it for quick cash will lose their audience but...good.

     

  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614
    Originally posted by thinktank001
    Originally posted by Rhoklaw

     

    Apparently the feminist movement in gaming is gaining stride as they battle the inequality of how females are represented in the gaming industry. I'm not sure how this works in a virtual world, but at least for now, no more seductive or nude streaming on Twitch TV. I understand why some are striving for a better environment for all gamers, but we'll see just how far this goes to revamping games like GTA, Tomb Raider or other games involving mature content.

     

    I doubt that has anything to do with it.  A lot of the twitch casters have " sub goals " and do stuff for donations, and adding this policy just stops the problem of " nudity " type goals from happening in the future.  

     

     

    This.

     

    So many female Twitch 'streamers' are just pretty girls put in front of a webcam pretending to be playing, when in the same room you can see it's some dude who's really the gamer.

    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • veritas723veritas723 Member CommonPosts: 38

    this has got to be one of the saddest gamegate-esk fail MRA bullshit posts i've seen in awhile.  

     

    feminists?  really.   you think this has anything to do with anything other than Twitch TV being bought out by a large company and having to bring the service inline with established norms for a bigger corp.  

    this stupid fear and idiotic logic of people using "feminism" as some red hearing for every gripe they have.   stringing together wildly disperate topics.   ...damn.  

    honestly.   back in your cave

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,425

    Good for them. Just seems like a reasonable measure to keep their focus on gaming.

     

    Even beyond the titillation for $$ issue, I find twitch streams with too much "personality" annoying in the extreme. Game streams with a reasonable amount of commentary about the game is what I want to see... I don't want to meet anyone's cute cat or kid sister,

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  • AmanaAmana Moderator UncommonPosts: 3,912
    The issue of Twitch's new policy is an appropriate discussion for a gaming forum, but the political/ethnica framework here is not appropriate for here.

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