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This is not how you attract players.

So I came back today, or I was going to, I bought the game at launch and played for a few days with a friend, logged in when it went F2P and you had to pay for actionbars, and then I decide to redownload it today and I see this. (http://i.imgur.com/3SEMFiE.png)

I also checked out the free to play restrictions, they seem pretty horrible, you can't sprint until you're level 10 as F2P, but if you pay you have it unlocked at level 1, chat restrictions, support restrictions. I would've rather paid for a subscription today and be even with everybody else, this game even outlines how F2P it is on it's restrictions page. (http://www.swtor.com/free/features)

Idk, it just seems like a complete mess, like most of these business models.. /shrug

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  • darkrain21darkrain21 Member UncommonPosts: 383
    yeah? I dont understand your point are you mad that subscribers get perks that f2p players dont? Its been a very known fact that Swtor has a terrible F2P model. Still a good game but if your going to play its better to just sub while you play cuz its very much just free 2 tease.
  • luisrkillerluisrkiller Member UncommonPosts: 107
    Originally posted by darkrain21
    yeah? I dont understand your point are you mad that subscribers get perks that f2p players dont?

    I don't think she's mad. She's just stating facts, plus I'm pretty sure everyone knows SWTOR has a terrible f2p model.

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Member RarePosts: 5,361
    F2P players have no idea how good they have it these days because back in the day sub mmos only had a 7 day free trial and then you had to sub if you wanted to keep playing it.
  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,517
    Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
    F2P players have no idea how good they have it these days because back in the day sub mmos only had a 7 day free trial and then you had to sub if you wanted to keep playing it.

    My point is the complete opposite of this though, I'd rather pay $10-$15 a month and be equal to everybody else than being able to potentially spend thousands of dollars in a cash shop and being able to level 12x faster than others just because I paid.

    When all is said and done, more is always said than done.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 41,537
    They aren't interested in attracting players, they are trying to get more payers, and by all accounts their model does a pretty good job in this regard.

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  • SkaioverrideSkaioverride Member UncommonPosts: 54
    I think the problem is that we keep calling it Free to Play when it should be Free to Try, which is basically what you get with most if not all F2P MMOs now. Last time i checked thats how software companies do it.
  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,517
    Originally posted by Skaioverride
    I think the problem is that we keep calling it Free to Play when it should be Free to Try, which is basically what you get with most if not all F2P MMOs now. Last time i checked thats how software companies do it.

    This. The only actual free to play game I've played in years and years would be Path of Exile.

    Originally posted by Kyleran
    They aren't interested in attracting players, they are trying to get more payers, and by all accounts their model does a pretty good job in this regard.

    You can't actually believe this though, try to get somebody to invest into your company when you say your game went F2P a year after launch and you're actively working towards not getting anymore players. GL. The reason it went F2P is because they didn't have enough players to begin with.

    You can argue their model is doing fine, but I can argue it isn't and compare it to other games. In the end I've been a player since CBT #1, me and my friend both pre ordered the game and played during launch and I won't be coming back to try out their updates years later.

    When all is said and done, more is always said than done.
  • DaikuruDaikuru Member RarePosts: 797
    Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
    F2P players have no idea how good they have it these days because back in the day sub mmos only had a 7 day free trial and then you had to sub if you wanted to keep playing it.

    And i wish these days back, F2P is such a pain the ass and damaged the whole genre, if you wanna play you have to pay for it even in a "F2P" game , F2P is just a bait. I rather pay monthly and get a good product from a reliable company.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by OhhPaigey
    Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
    F2P players have no idea how good they have it these days because back in the day sub mmos only had a 7 day free trial and then you had to sub if you wanted to keep playing it.

    My point is the complete opposite of this though, I'd rather pay $10-$15 a month and be equal to everybody else than being able to potentially spend thousands of dollars in a cash shop and being able to level 12x faster than others just because I paid.

    The 12x XP is to catch up and be on equal footing as the LVL cap is being raised, not unlike WOW giving out LVL 90's with their next Xpac.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by OhhPaigey
    Originally posted by Skaioverride
    I think the problem is that we keep calling it Free to Play when it should be Free to Try, which is basically what you get with most if not all F2P MMOs now. Last time i checked thats how software companies do it.

    This. The only actual free to play game I've played in years and years would be Path of Exile.

    Originally posted by Kyleran
    They aren't interested in attracting players, they are trying to get more payers, and by all accounts their model does a pretty good job in this regard.

    You can't actually believe this though, try to get somebody to invest into your company when you say your game went F2P a year after launch and you're actively working towards not getting anymore players. GL. The reason it went F2P is because they didn't have enough players to begin with.

    You can argue their model is doing fine, but I can argue it isn't and compare it to other games. In the end I've been a player since CBT #1, me and my friend both pre ordered the game and played during launch and I won't be coming back to try out their updates years later.

    Well I cancel you out, as I also played CB1, and will come back to check out updates..

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  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Member RarePosts: 5,361
    Originally posted by OhhPaigey
    Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
    F2P players have no idea how good they have it these days because back in the day sub mmos only had a 7 day free trial and then you had to sub if you wanted to keep playing it.

    My point is the complete opposite of this though, I'd rather pay $10-$15 a month and be equal to everybody else than being able to potentially spend thousands of dollars in a cash shop and being able to level 12x faster than others just because I paid.

    My point is that swtor is still a sub game with a glorified free trial. 

  • DenambrenDenambren Member UncommonPosts: 398

    I never thought I'd defend SWTOR in my life, but after having played the F2P for a few days (hadn't tried it since beta test), I could see that the F2P model was just there to give you a taste of the game before trying to convert you into a subscriber.  And is this bad? I don't personally think so, as I ended up becoming a subscriber and now I have access to nearly everything and life is grand.

     

    It's basically a F2P model designed for the short term, to see if the game is worth subscribing to. Some people are cheap enough where they drag their play experience for free, but then they are actually playing the full game for free.

     

  • munsil42munsil42 Member UncommonPosts: 95
    I don't get it, either P2P or play F2P and keep quiet. By now everyone in the damn MMORPG world should know that F2P is not the same as P2P.
  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,517
    Originally posted by munsil42
    I don't get it, either P2P or play F2P and keep quiet. By now everyone in the damn MMORPG world should know that F2P is not the same as P2P.

    There you go man, you'd do good work in PR. Follow what the companies have laid out for you or shut up!

    +1

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  • Po_ggPo_gg Member EpicPosts: 5,749
    Originally posted by OhhPaigey

    I'd rather pay $10-$15 a month and be equal to everybody else than being able to potentially spend thousands of dollars in a cash shop and being able to level 12x faster than others just because I paid.

    Look, I love to bash TOR's model, because it really is crap ( :) ) but in this case you're wrong. The sub option is still there, you can pay the monthly fee and be equal to, well, not everybody else, just equal to the Vips (and better than the f2p / preferred players)

    The 12x boost is a temporary thing, for those who preorder the next expansion. It lasts only till the expansion goes live in December.

  • RelemRelem Member Posts: 3

    Turbine have a pretty good f2p model. Yes there are people that don't put any money in at all, but it's enticing enough to want to put some money in. I started f2p on DDO, and put in about £500 over the last 2 yesrs to get the collecters edition of the expansions and the high end guild ship. I don't have the worry of making sure I have the funds for a subscription. Ok, the subs get a bit more xp then me, but it's nothing that makes me stay awake at night.

     

    Ok, there are some restrictions when it comes to questing, but people will buy passes for those that don't have the quests available. And it is easy to earn store points to buy the packs or anything else. Where as other f2p games are constantly in your face to pay, Turbine have been more subtle about it to the point where I'm sure they are on a beach in Jamaica, drinking rum and don't really worry that much. It seems like a really strange way to run things, but I like it hence I paid more money into it then subbing.

     

    I'm sorry for sounding like  Turbine fan boy, but I give credit where credit is due. 

  • XerenixXerenix Member UncommonPosts: 237

    I don't see the problem with this considering at launch we had to pay to get what players get for FREE now.

     

    At launch, we got sprint at  level 14, had only 2 toolbars (We had several pages in the first toolbar tho) and we had the exact same xp gain.

     

    They didn't remove anything for free players, they just added things to subscribers.

  • SoandsosoSoandsoso Member Posts: 533

    Its free. You are not entitled to anything other than what comes with free.

  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,517
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by OhhPaigey
    Originally posted by Skaioverride
    I think the problem is that we keep calling it Free to Play when it should be Free to Try, which is basically what you get with most if not all F2P MMOs now. Last time i checked thats how software companies do it.

    This. The only actual free to play game I've played in years and years would be Path of Exile.

    Originally posted by Kyleran
    They aren't interested in attracting players, they are trying to get more payers, and by all accounts their model does a pretty good job in this regard.

    You can't actually believe this though, try to get somebody to invest into your company when you say your game went F2P a year after launch and you're actively working towards not getting anymore players. GL. The reason it went F2P is because they didn't have enough players to begin with.

    You can argue their model is doing fine, but I can argue it isn't and compare it to other games. In the end I've been a player since CBT #1, me and my friend both pre ordered the game and played during launch and I won't be coming back to try out their updates years later.

    Well I cancel you out, as I also played CB1, and will come back to check out updates..

    That isn't how business works unfortunately, if you have $10 but could've had $20 you still lost potential earnings no matter what.

    When all is said and done, more is always said than done.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004

    The game has a limited F2P option, players can try the game without paying a penny, how is that a bad thing? Players have the opportunity after all, to experience just about everything the game has to offer, before they decide whether to pay for a subscription, although there is nothing to stop them from completing the class quests without ever having to pay. Judging by how many people I see playing these days, I would suggest it's a fairly popular way of paying, or not, for the game. If games are going to embrace F2P more in the future, then I can see SW:TOR's model being used more often, Archeage is probably the first of many to do just that.

     

  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,517
    Originally posted by Phry

    The game has a limited F2P option, players can try the game without paying a penny, how is that a bad thing? Players have the opportunity after all, to experience just about everything the game has to offer, before they decide whether to pay for a subscription, although there is nothing to stop them from completing the class quests without ever having to pay. Judging by how many people I see playing these days, I would suggest it's a fairly popular way of paying, or not, for the game. If games are going to embrace F2P more in the future, then I can see SW:TOR's model being used more often, Archeage is probably the first of many to do just that.

     

    Well I already answered that argument in an earlier post but hey, if you like how it's run then I'm happy for you and I'm sure a lot of companies are too.

    When all is said and done, more is always said than done.
  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935
    Originally posted by OhhPaigey

    So I came back today, or I was going to, I bought the game at launch and played for a few days with a friend, logged in when it went F2P and you had to pay for actionbars, and then I decide to redownload it today and I see this. (http://i.imgur.com/3SEMFiE.png)

    I also checked out the free to play restrictions, they seem pretty horrible, you can't sprint until you're level 10 as F2P, but if you pay you have it unlocked at level 1, chat restrictions, support restrictions. I would've rather paid for a subscription today and be even with everybody else, this game even outlines how F2P it is on it's restrictions page. (http://www.swtor.com/free/features)

    Idk, it just seems like a complete mess, like most of these business models.. /shrug

    It's F2P is really aimed for those that haven't tried it before and just want to check out the feel of the game.  At least that's what I think they were aiming for.   But they are giving away the best of the game for free (storylines)....

  • JyiigaJyiiga Member UncommonPosts: 1,186

    As others have pointed out already its really just a glorified trial. If you are going to casually mess around then you can use the F2P option. If you want to spend a considerable amount of time in the game, you are going to need to sub to enjoy it.

    All there is to it. I pay, I play, I enjoy it a great deal.

  • GoobearGoobear Member UncommonPosts: 10

    I understand the OPs problems with SWTOR. It's by far one of the worst examples of F2P in the industry.

      First off those that actually bought the game and subbed at one point got NOTHING in compensation for the switch to F2P. Now I know it's not required but it shows some respect to those that did support your game. It also gives something extra for that $60 you ponied up that all those new players don't have to pay, since now both have to pay for the same things.

     

       Not sure who (Lucas, Bio or EA) decided on the F2P model for SWTOR but they gutted the game and tried to put a price tag on EVERYTHING! The staple of F2P is there with character slots and a whole bunch of convenience items but for a returning player who already paid for the game finding you can't even play your own characters cause you're past the cap just makes for a tough decision to PAY more.

       After you finally get into the game you find that you can't use many features. Come on! action bars?!?! That's a horrible cash grab you could expect from some sub par dev. Questing is limited. PvP is limited and this one I don't understand this one. Wouldn't they want more F2P players in PvP to give those that are paying (who can equip better armor/weapons) more people to pummel. 

       With how badly they cripple F2P this game in nigh impossible to enjoy. If someone can't even enjoy the basics of the game why in the hell would they want to pay? I find when I put money into a F2P game I do so out of respect for the devs who gave me a game I enjoy playing. Some devs or maybe it's the publishers are just to damn greedy now and have no respect for their player base.

  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,517
    Originally posted by Goobear

    I understand the OPs problems with SWTOR. It's by far one of the worst examples of F2P in the industry.

      First off those that actually bought the game and subbed at one point got NOTHING in compensation for the switch to F2P. Now I know it's not required but it shows some respect to those that did support your game. It also gives something extra for that $60 you ponied up that all those new players don't have to pay, since now both have to pay for the same things.

     

       Not sure who (Lucas, Bio or EA) decided on the F2P model for SWTOR but they gutted the game and tried to put a price tag on EVERYTHING! The staple of F2P is there with character slots and a whole bunch of convenience items but for a returning player who already paid for the game finding you can't even play your own characters cause you're past the cap just makes for a tough decision to PAY more.

       After you finally get into the game you find that you can't use many features. Come on! action bars?!?! That's a horrible cash grab you could expect from some sub par dev. Questing is limited. PvP is limited and this one I don't understand this one. Wouldn't they want more F2P players in PvP to give those that are paying (who can equip better armor/weapons) more people to pummel. 

       With how badly they cripple F2P this game in nigh impossible to enjoy. If someone can't even enjoy the basics of the game why in the hell would they want to pay? I find when I put money into a F2P game I do so out of respect for the devs who gave me a game I enjoy playing. Some devs or maybe it's the publishers are just to damn greedy now and have no respect for their player base.

    That's another thing I was confused about, I didn't get a single thing for buying their game (I believe I paid $80+) at launch and now that money was just disregarded apparently. I don't have a single cash shop currency or anything on my account. And I didn't even get preferred status.

    When all is said and done, more is always said than done.
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