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  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 5,085

    Pantheon

    I'll check it out if they release. In the meanwhile, not holding my breath.

    What I saw during the kickstarter was so-so. I'm no fan of EQ and if I was, I would play that game, for its still up and running, at least as far as I know. The kickstarter of Pantheon however described much more EQ than Vanguard, in which I would have been interested. Trivial classes, class definitions much more like EQ than Vanguard, and important classes missing (for example, no Necromancer).

     

  • VonatarVonatar Member UncommonPosts: 723
    I am going to coin a new term for Pantheon: RotF. Rather than simply vaporware, it's more like vanityware.
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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 7,432


    Originally posted by Adamantine
    PantheonI'll check it out if they release. In the meanwhile, not holding my breath.What I saw during the kickstarter was so-so. I'm no fan of EQ and if I was, I would play that game, for its still up and running, at least as far as I know. The kickstarter of Pantheon however described much more EQ than Vanguard, in which I would have been interested. Trivial classes, class definitions much more like EQ than Vanguard, and important classes missing (for example, no Necromancer).
    EQ is not the same game it was 10 years ago.

    OT:
    I am watching this one, seeing how it progresses. Good video! Looks like it shaping up, somewhat :)

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,496
    You can't make a MMORPG for 600k....so don't get your hopes up.

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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,802
    Originally posted by blueturtle13
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    You can't make a MMORPG for 600k....so don't get your hopes up.

        Bioware and Lucas Arts proved you can't make one for $300-$500 million (allegedly) so that does not really matter.

        One of the reasons I posted this was in the hopes of people seeing it and perhaps supporting a game like this. I just discovered it through Reddit of all places. lol Just trying to bring attention to a game that needs those who 'say' they want a game like this to step up and support it. I just did. ;)

    We know this project and we know all the shit that has happened.

    Brad stealing money from the funding - declaring it a 3 months payment for himself in advance. At the same time he refused to pay his devs so they all left together.

    He found new people naive enough to work for free and now he hooked up with this woman who is trying to make a MMO based on religion. The first thing she did was censoring anything she deemed as too dark as it would conflict with her views.

     

    We know this project well enough to know that it doesn't deserve support.

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  • kjempffkjempff Member RarePosts: 1,759
    Originally posted by Dakeru
    Originally posted by blueturtle13
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    You can't make a MMORPG for 600k....so don't get your hopes up.

        Bioware and Lucas Arts proved you can't make one for $300-$500 million (allegedly) so that does not really matter.

        One of the reasons I posted this was in the hopes of people seeing it and perhaps supporting a game like this. I just discovered it through Reddit of all places. lol Just trying to bring attention to a game that needs those who 'say' they want a game like this to step up and support it. I just did. ;)

    We know this project and we know all the shit that has happened.

    Brad stealing money from the funding - declaring it a 3 months payment for himself in advance. At the same time he refused to pay his devs so they all left together.

    He found new people naive enough to work for free and now he hooked up with this woman who is trying to make a MMO based on religion. The first thing she did was censoring anything she deemed as too dark as it would conflict with her views.

     

    We know this project well enough to know that it doesn't deserve support.

    Repeating it every Pantheon post does not make it more true.

  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,802
    Originally posted by kjempff
    Originally posted by Dakeru
    Originally posted by blueturtle13
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    You can't make a MMORPG for 600k....so don't get your hopes up.

        Bioware and Lucas Arts proved you can't make one for $300-$500 million (allegedly) so that does not really matter.

        One of the reasons I posted this was in the hopes of people seeing it and perhaps supporting a game like this. I just discovered it through Reddit of all places. lol Just trying to bring attention to a game that needs those who 'say' they want a game like this to step up and support it. I just did. ;)

    We know this project and we know all the shit that has happened.

    Brad stealing money from the funding - declaring it a 3 months payment for himself in advance. At the same time he refused to pay his devs so they all left together.

    He found new people naive enough to work for free and now he hooked up with this woman who is trying to make a MMO based on religion. The first thing she did was censoring anything she deemed as too dark as it would conflict with her views.

     

    We know this project well enough to know that it doesn't deserve support.

    Repeating it every Pantheon post does not make it more true.

    Denying it on every Pantheon thread doesn't make it any less true.

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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,802

    It's funny that you say it's ok for him to take the money that was meant to build the game but at the same time there is no need to pay the devs. You know.. the guys actually building the game?

     

    Brad is a criminal and I wish mmorpg.com would finally take a stance and forbid any support for his criminal activities on this site.

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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,802
    Feel it's rude all you want. I feel it's rude to come to this forum to make the 100th "support this con artist" thread.
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  • KuviskiKuviski Member UncommonPosts: 215
    Originally posted by Dakeru
    Originally posted by blueturtle13
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    You can't make a MMORPG for 600k....so don't get your hopes up.

        Bioware and Lucas Arts proved you can't make one for $300-$500 million (allegedly) so that does not really matter.

        One of the reasons I posted this was in the hopes of people seeing it and perhaps supporting a game like this. I just discovered it through Reddit of all places. lol Just trying to bring attention to a game that needs those who 'say' they want a game like this to step up and support it. I just did. ;)

    We know this project and we know all the shit that has happened.

    Brad stealing money from the funding - declaring it a 3 months payment for himself in advance. At the same time he refused to pay his devs so they all left together.

    He found new people naive enough to work for free and now he hooked up with this woman who is trying to make a MMO based on religion. The first thing she did was censoring anything she deemed as too dark as it would conflict with her views.

     

    We know this project well enough to know that it doesn't deserve support.

    I don't know what to think about the game project itself, but I have to say the accusations against McQuaid seem fishy to me at the least. All the proof I've seen so far is a screenshot of an employee's wife claiming McQuaid took money from the game's funds. Not only have I seen any other evidence, even if the money was taken we don't have any backstory as for what it was taken for (if it was).

    Frankly, it seems to me almost as if there was a smear campaign taking place by a couple of people on these forums against McQuaid. I understand why people would feel some anger towards him due to Vanguard and all that, and the post-Kickstarter crowdfunding campaign seems to some extent fishy to me as well, but I still haven't found a reason to think of the person in question as some sort of a serious criminal as some seem to treat him as - haven't seen any convincing evidence at least.

  • EQAbnerEQAbner Member CommonPosts: 25

    Hard core Brad haters seem to be wearing blinders. This is common amongst haters in other areas I have seen. Facts and logic are brushed aside and propaganda is repeated. /shrug

     

    If the game keeps progressing as it seems to be, I will donate and play for sure.

  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 5,085
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

    EQ is not the same game it was 10 years ago.

    Thats perfectly possible, I have never studied it closer. Almost all I know about it I know from talking with ex-players of EQ who would be playing Vanguard.

    What I know is that in EQ, every class had only one main task, while in Vanguard every class had a primary and a secondary task (except sorcerer, which really was a pure glass cannon all out sustained dps).

    Also people told me they had a lot of downtime in EQ, waiting to regenerate mana.

     

     

    Originally posted by blueturtle13

        One of the reasons I posted this was in the hopes of people seeing it and perhaps supporting a game like this.

    Well, I will support by subbing it if and when its out and looks good enough to bother playing it.

    Its on my radar but, as I said, I'm not holding my breath waiting for it. It might fail, and it might not be the game I actually want to play, and either way it wont be out anytime soon.

    About the rumors spreading around, I'm kind of used to them from Vanguard. Just like back then, I simply dont know and have no way of finding out which of them are true and which arent, so I'll just let the game speak for itself instead. I had about seven years fun in Vanguard and for me, it was no failure at all, no matter what might have happened in other places.

     

  • VonatarVonatar Member UncommonPosts: 723

    The Pantheon Kickstarter failed, right? So unless Kickstarter has changed the rules that means the game didn't see a dime of the $460,000 pledged, since the goal was $800,000 iirc.

    Therefore not sure why people are saying Pantheon has raised funding of over $600,000. There's $162,265 in post-Kickstarter pledges on the site.

  • AraduneAradune Sigil Games CEOMember RarePosts: 294
    Originally posted by Dakeru

    It's funny that you say it's ok for him to take the money that was meant to build the game but at the same time there is no need to pay the devs. You know.. the guys actually building the game?

     

    Brad is a criminal and I wish mmorpg.com would finally take a stance and forbid any support for his criminal activities on this site.

    These lies really need to stop.  I paid myself and my team.  We worked from Sept. 2013 to April of 2014, when there was a dispute over how much I was paid.  You can debate all you want about whether I was paid 'too much' for that period, but this 'the team wasn't paid anything' is misinformation at best.   Where do you think the rest of the money raised went?  98% to the team and probably 2% to software licenses, etc.  

    The majority of the team left over this dispute.  They left with the majority of the crowdfunded money.  I am still here, working 8-12 hour days with my new team, and have made less then $1k. since April.  I have sold a LOT of personal items and am currently selling a rental property so I can pay the bills while I and the new team poor our hears and souls into the game.

    So that's now over a year I've worked on this project, and I'm a criminal because I've been paid ~$46k? And the rest of the ~$147k that went to the old team -- they haven't touched the game since April.  What should get your more upset?  Who walked with their portion of the money and who stayed?

    All I know is that I've learned a lot about team building, working with volunteer teams, and working remotely.  The result is this new team is not only very talented but incredibly committed and working their butts off.  When crowdfunding does come in, I give it to the team members who work crazy hours and who don't have day jobs.  And of course, there's software and hardware that needs to be paid for.

    But is there proof or is the game just vaporware?

    We try to release a movie every 1-2 months showing measurable forward progress, with screenshots more frequently.  Take a look at the August movie and compare it to the one we just released.  This game is being made and it's coming together relatively quickly.  Do we still need more funding than crowdsourcing to finish it?  Preferably yes.  And we hope that these movies mitigate risk for the potential investor and that funding will come 'soon'.  In the meantime, we continue to move this game forward and at the same time keep the community informed with our progress via these movies and screenshots.

    Anyway, I don't usually participate in these threads, but the 'criminal' this, and the 'team didn't get paid' that just has to be addressed.  And so I'm addressing it:  it's a bunch of crap.  That said, despite the misinformation and negativity, the team and I are tenacious.  I'm not going anywhere, that's for sure.  Come hell or high water, Pantheon will be finished.

    -Brad

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    Brad McQuaid
    CCO, Visionary Realms, Inc.
    www.pantheonmmo.com
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  • AraduneAradune Sigil Games CEOMember RarePosts: 294
    Originally posted by Vonatar

    The Pantheon Kickstarter failed, right? So unless Kickstarter has changed the rules that means the game didn't see a dime of the $460,000 pledged, since the goal was $800,000 iirc.

    Therefore not sure why people are saying Pantheon has raised funding of over $600,000. There's $162,265 in post-Kickstarter pledges on the site.

    It's our bad for not just taking down that 'total' from the website.  The reality is ~$147k was raised post-kickstarter, not $162.  In fact, I'm just going to have them yank that from the site today.  It's misleading, at best.

    -Brad

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    Brad McQuaid
    CCO, Visionary Realms, Inc.
    www.pantheonmmo.com
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  • jdnewelljdnewell Member UncommonPosts: 2,237

    Good luck to you and your team!

    I will be keeping an eye on the game development and hope it gets released. I personally do not do kickstarters but wish you guys the best. 

    Edit: i wouldnt get too bent out of shape about comments on these forums. Sticks and stones and all that

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,887
    Originally posted by Aradune

    So that's now over a year I've worked on this project, and I'm a criminal because I've been paid ~$46k? And the rest of the ~$147k that went to the old team -- they haven't touched the game since April.  What should get your more upset?  Who walked with their portion of the money and who stayed?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the rest of the team back then just employees? Isn't it a bit low to publicly complain that your own employees don't work without salary?

     

     
  • AraduneAradune Sigil Games CEOMember RarePosts: 294
    Originally posted by Vrika
    Originally posted by Aradune

    So that's now over a year I've worked on this project, and I'm a criminal because I've been paid ~$46k? And the rest of the ~$147k that went to the old team -- they haven't touched the game since April.  What should get your more upset?  Who walked with their portion of the money and who stayed?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the rest of the team back then just employees? Isn't it a bit low to publicly complain that your own employees don't work without salary?

     

    We were all Independent Contractors (as are the new team) -- having actual employees is pretty expensive and won't happen until when we get funded.

    I am not complaining that some people won't or can't work without an income -- far from it.  What I am addressing is where the money went and who is still working for a portion of that money, and who isn't.

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    Brad McQuaid
    CCO, Visionary Realms, Inc.
    www.pantheonmmo.com
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  • AraduneAradune Sigil Games CEOMember RarePosts: 294
    Originally posted by jdnewell

    Good luck to you and your team!

    I will be keeping an eye on the game development and hope it gets released. I personally do not do kickstarters but wish you guys the best. 

    Edit: i wouldnt get too bent out of shape about comments on these forums. Sticks and stones and all that

    Sorry if I sound bent out of shape -- I'm actually in a fantastic mood because of how well the game is coming along.

    That said, sometimes a straw breaks the camels back.  This person was posting misinformation over and over again and occasionally I've got to call it out for what it is:  inaccurate at best.

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    Brad McQuaid
    CCO, Visionary Realms, Inc.
    www.pantheonmmo.com
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,838
    Looks like some money went into the game. It looks pretty ok. The number of mountains is a bit concerning. I hope they are not disguised walls.
    "We see fundamentals and we ape in"
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