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Is the Everquest Franchise the biggest competitor to Blizzards mmo(s)?

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  • LeGrosGamerV2LeGrosGamerV2 Member Posts: 90

     Everquest's biggest competitor to Blizzard?   That's a good one.   I'm pretty sure most of those waiting on EQ:N have scratched that off their list and went to Destiny.   Why would Blizzard / Activision be in such a rush for Titan project?   Look at Destiny's stellar performance, and it's just the beginning.      EQ:N  main goal should be to do  better then TESO and ArcheAge,  once that's established, we can talk about them being WoW's #1 competitor, let alone Blizzard altogether. 

     

       You also need to remember that WoW is the center piece of any new game released, let me explain.  When a new awesome game like Destiny releases, it is normal to see people unsub WoW to play Destiny for a few months and to resub WoW later on.   The same goes for any new MMORPG releasing.  People unsubbed WoW for TESO, didn't last long and all came back to WoW.  Same will happen with ArcheAge, and yes the same will happen with EQ:N.     95% of the people who unsub WoW is simply because they are taking time off since grinding your end game epic gear can take a long time, but in the end they all resub.       

     

      Also, EQ:N should not worry about WoW, and worry more about themselves.   The less selfish and arrogant they look, the more chances they got to pull this off and win big.  Act like dumb clowns like TESO and ArcheAge, and the only thing you'll be able to pull out will be a rabbit out of your ...    So yeah, you get the general idea. 

  • AlleinAllein Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by LeGrosGamerV2

     I'm pretty sure most of those waiting on EQ:N have scratched that off their list and went to Destiny.  

    Based on anything? Destiny is pretty fun for what it is, but saying people went from waiting for EQN to go play it is like saying people gave up on EQN and went for the latest Mario. Not remotely the same genre or type of game. Destiny does have lots of RPG tossed into a FPS, but it isn't a fantasy mmorpg by a long shot.

    As EQN is at least a year or two away (guessing), seems silly for people not to play other games in the meantime, doesn't have anything to do with scratching a game off a list or radar. I play TF2 and D3 currently with a little Smite and Landmark. Doesn't mean the moment EQN is available I won't be able to jump right in.

  • AlleinAllein Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by Infantryonline

    Title stated. I noticed the Warlords of Dreanor cinematic event was released on Aug 14. August 16 during the keynotes in SOE live talk of World of Warcraft 2 was a news article in gamespot even though they are not close to making another one. Just simply stated they have talked about it 10 years ago. A worthless news article.  WoD is set to launch 11/13 while Altar of Malice is set to launch 11/11. Do you think Blizzard is herding their children? Project Titan was setback and reiterated on to wait on better technology and is set to be ready hopefully after EQ Next. I also follow lots of Everquest Next devs and "blizzard careers" keeps popping up on my add friends list. All this clever marketing for the fact that every 6 months from now World of Warcraft will lose  a million people and  Draenor being the same game that lost 900,000 in three months it won't stop bleeding so they see Everquest as a potential foe by the time Next launches. Is WoW doomed for just item grinding while Next promises adventure gameplay and a storylines you create beyond a narrative?

    Blizzard's only competition is itself. They have WoW, Hearthstone, Starcraft, Diablo, and Heroes of the Storm coming. "Titan" or whatever the new game will be could be a totally different genre and franchise. Much like Apple, some people simply love Blizzard's products and there is a variety to choose from. I wouldn't doubt if "Titan" comes out with similar FPS combat as EQN. FPS is the one area they don't have much going on, but I'd guess it will stay within the Warcraft franchise. I'm guessing the movie will bring a few people back to WoW as well.

    Nothing lasts forever, WoW was a perfect storm and has done what most likely no other game will do in the genre. Millions still play and love it. The fact that it bleeds more players in a year then EQ or other "best games ever" managed to pull in at one time is pretty crazy.

    WoW isn't "doomed" to anything. It is a simple game design and it obviously does well. As much as many of us dislike it (now), it was fun when I played it. Seems others have a much longer attention span.

    EQN is a lot of "promises" currently. It could do amazing or not so much. It could be amazing and simply not bring in a lot of players for various reasons. Blizzard could announce news of their next game at Blizzcon this year, next, or whenever and suck all those on the fence back to their side. I hope EQN turns out as hyped and that I enjoy it, but if Blizzard's next project is just as good or better (subjective of course), I will be all over it. I enjoy good games, doesn't matter the company behind it or what universe it set in.

    I went from EQ to DAoC to WoW as my main game progression. All three were totally different and all were fun. Has nothing to do with being a "kid" or any such thing. By the time WoW's 1st xpac game out, I realized I didn't want to do the same exact thing forever and moved on, no different then EQ/DAoC. EQN looks to be a great experience and the chance that the AI/world are actually more fitting of the term dynamic is what has me interested. If it can hold my attention by changing it up at least more than previous games, it should be good. Nothing stopping Blizzard from doing something similar if not more so now that EQN's cards are on the table. Blizzard has a lot of cash and fan base to do pretty much whatever they want and have a hit.

  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,871
    Originally posted by Konfess
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Konfess
    Originally posted by Infantryonline
    ...At this rate. Is WoW ready to be 3 million by the time EQ Next launches (or 2016)? They just have to lose 50% of what they lost last quarter sustained for 12 quarters. 

    Haha, they didn't loose a thing.  Gaming as a whole has lost.  Next's is compete with SWTOR for whales.  Next is only a threat to TOR.  And retry the action combat that TERA tried already?  MMORPG gamers who spend money don't care for twitch. 

    Gaming hasn't lost. MMO gaming might be losing numbers, but MOBA gaming is picking them up. Games that offer single, multi, and coop play are picking them up. MMOs don't have exclusive rights to online gaming anymore. There are lot of options out there and people are choosing those.

    People can play Assassin's Creed, Borderlands 2, Skyrim, Civilization, Farcry, and can do that with friends and family and don't have to put up with MMO gamers calling them a filthy casual or noob. They don't have to put with raids or guilds controlling how they play and what they do.

    Nope, everything about your first statement is wrong.  The games and genre are doing fine, but they are falling way short of projections in a healthy economy.  Our understanding is that as the world population continues to grow, the gaming population is not growing at its past rate.  It plateaued and is now on a decline, that is evident to those who are watching it.  You are only aware of it, in the nature of the recent trend of money grab from DLCs and cash shops.  Developer see and feel the lost gamers and they are panicking.  Every day they ask, “How can we make up for the lost gamers, and how do we get the few remaining to spend more?”

    You're going to have to back that up with some sort of evidence else I'm thinking you're pulling numbers out of someplace just to support your idea. Every single article on this site discussing global revenue has shown that the industry is expanding and revenues are increasing. Some sectors are increasing at smaller rates, but overall the industry is expanding. If mmo gaming is losing numbers, and it is not, then it is going to other parts of the industry.

    You made a claim that the industry is losing gamers. Prove it.

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  • InfantryonlineInfantryonline Member Posts: 113
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    Originally posted by Archlyte
    Blizzard is going to do the same thing they did to SOE last time, they will produce a product that is better at garnering and keeping players.

    Perhaps they will.

    But if it is anything like WOW, dumbed down and made for the lowest common denominator, I will spend another 10 years playing better games.

    Noone over 28 is going to play Project Titan. IMO Destiny will kill any of it. I heard its like TeamFortress 2 meets WoW. Same cartoony Game. Destiny's user interface reminds me of Arcade games in 2004, both are very similar. It took 10 years to get that graphics into a console. Though Destiny is still slightly dumbed down due to color coded equipment. We made better games with limited technology but Finally, Destiny is made by someone who is futuristic and smart and not some common man. EQ1 still remains the smartest game ive played and its time as a society to move on from a failed generation of games or at least teach them (though i don't want nothing to do with them, it's hard). 

    ...That's essentially what being smug is. Acting like you're so blatantly right that even the thought of someone disagreeing with you is appallingly stupid and comical. you have a good chance of bullying them into believing you.

  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,652
    Originally posted by Infantryonline
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    Originally posted by Archlyte
    Blizzard is going to do the same thing they did to SOE last time, they will produce a product that is better at garnering and keeping players.

    Perhaps they will.

    But if it is anything like WOW, dumbed down and made for the lowest common denominator, I will spend another 10 years playing better games.

    Noone over 28 is going to play Project Titan. IMO Destiny will kill any of it. I heard its like TeamFortress 2 meets WoW. Same cartoony Game. Destiny's user interface reminds me of Arcade games in 2004, both are very similar. It took 10 years to get that graphics into a console. Though Destiny is still slightly dumbed down due to color coded equipment. We made better games with limited technology but Finally, Destiny is made by someone who is futuristic and smart and not some common man. EQ1 still remains the smartest game ive played and its time as a society to move on from a failed generation of games or at least teach them (though i don't want nothing to do with them, it's hard). 

    There is no information on what Titan is/was anywhere so I dont know how you can take anything you hear as truth. And many people who play WoW are over the age of 28 ( the average age is higher than that the last I saw ) so saying no one over the age of 28 will play Titan is also odd.

  • InfantryonlineInfantryonline Member Posts: 113
    Looks like Blizzard's money grubbing tactics of dumbing the game and taking a great genre and making it accessible for people who play farmville will backfire on them. 

    ...That's essentially what being smug is. Acting like you're so blatantly right that even the thought of someone disagreeing with you is appallingly stupid and comical. you have a good chance of bullying them into believing you.

  • GravargGravarg Member UncommonPosts: 3,423
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Thorkune
    Originally posted by Elandrial
    Originally posted by Thorkune
    Originally posted by Infantryonline
     

    WoWs subscriptions are dropping like flies

    Update us on this after the WoD expansion launches. It has taken a population hit in the past couple years, but this next expansion has big changes that should bring a lot of people back.

    they said that ab out every expansion and it keeps dropping.

    They've never introduced housing before. The only problem I ever had with WoW was boredom after I geared my character up after the newest expansion. With the new garrison system, I will now have something to do besides raid and explore. 

    WoW is far from being in trouble, but I think its glory days are behind it.

    Gotta agree.  It'll never reach 12 million, but it's still the most played MMO.  I always have to laugh when people that say it's dead.  The most played MMO is dead...right...

  • InfantryonlineInfantryonline Member Posts: 113
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Thorkune
    Originally posted by Elandrial
    Originally posted by Thorkune
    Originally posted by Infantryonline
     

    WoWs subscriptions are dropping like flies

    Update us on this after the WoD expansion launches. It has taken a population hit in the past couple years, but this next expansion has big changes that should bring a lot of people back.

    they said that ab out every expansion and it keeps dropping.

    They've never introduced housing before. The only problem I ever had with WoW was boredom after I geared my character up after the newest expansion. With the new garrison system, I will now have something to do besides raid and explore. 

    WoW is far from being in trouble, but I think its glory days are behind it.

    Gotta agree.  It'll never reach 12 million, but it's still the most played MMO.  I always have to laugh when people that say it's dead.  The most played MMO is dead...right...

    Muh user base. Noone with a complex mind is enthralled by WoW. WoW, not Blizzard, ruined PC games by showing the industry that a dumbed down product is the only way to appeal to the masses. Now everyone that tries to be successful has to be accessible for everyone. Nevermind they nailed the Everquest formula. The bulk of the population is drawn by the"casual"(dont know any other word) features and they never did expand on the EQ formula or evolve which means Blizzard has no integrity to games in general. They don't make games in general better. They make games worse and should be dethroned. If everyone thought like me, Blizzard would have 70x12million (840 million) instead of 12 billion. Because once you try it. Its not a good game and you quit and don't look back because it was meh. 

    ...That's essentially what being smug is. Acting like you're so blatantly right that even the thought of someone disagreeing with you is appallingly stupid and comical. you have a good chance of bullying them into believing you.

  • AlleinAllein Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by Infantryonline

    Muh user base. Noone with a complex mind is enthralled by WoW. WoW, not Blizzard, ruined PC games by showing the industry that a dumbed down product is the only way to appeal to the masses. Now everyone that tries to be successful has to be accessible for everyone. Nevermind they nailed the Everquest formula. The bulk of the population is drawn by the"casual"(dont know any other word) features and they never did expand on the EQ formula or evolve which means Blizzard has no integrity to games in general. They don't make games in general better. They make games worse and should be dethroned. If everyone thought like me, Blizzard would have 70x12million (840 million) instead of 12 billion. Because once you try it. Its not a good game and you quit and don't look back because it was meh. 

    Could you give some examples of fantasy mmorpgs that complex minds would enjoy? EQN is trying to be the new WoW, simply in different ways. Which I have no problem with. I enjoyed WoW for a time and will hopefully enjoy EQN for a longer period. I've yet to play a game before/after WoW that is "better" beyond subjective likes/dislikes. Blizzard made the genre in to what it is for good or bad. Without them we wouldn't have the wide variety of games most likely, regardless if they are good/bad in our eyes.

  • MaelwyddMaelwydd Member Posts: 1,123
    Originally posted by Allein
    Originally posted by Infantryonline

    Muh user base. Noone with a complex mind is enthralled by WoW. WoW, not Blizzard, ruined PC games by showing the industry that a dumbed down product is the only way to appeal to the masses. Now everyone that tries to be successful has to be accessible for everyone. Nevermind they nailed the Everquest formula. The bulk of the population is drawn by the"casual"(dont know any other word) features and they never did expand on the EQ formula or evolve which means Blizzard has no integrity to games in general. They don't make games in general better. They make games worse and should be dethroned. If everyone thought like me, Blizzard would have 70x12million (840 million) instead of 12 billion. Because once you try it. Its not a good game and you quit and don't look back because it was meh. 

    Could you give some examples of fantasy mmorpgs that complex minds would enjoy? EQN is trying to be the new WoW, simply in different ways. Which I have no problem with. I enjoyed WoW for a time and will hopefully enjoy EQN for a longer period. I've yet to play a game before/after WoW that is "better" beyond subjective likes/dislikes. Blizzard made the genre in to what it is for good or bad. Without them we wouldn't have the wide variety of games most likely, regardless if they are good/bad in our eyes.

    More horror mythos then fantasy but The Secret world was a great game that didn't do well simply because it made too many people realise just how dumb they are.

  • Varex12Varex12 Member CommonPosts: 357
    Originally posted by Infantryonline

    Title stated. I noticed the Warlords of Dreanor cinematic event was released on Aug 14. August 16 during the keynotes in SOE live talk of World of Warcraft 2 was a news article in gamespot even though they are not close to making another one. Just simply stated they have talked about it 10 years ago. A worthless news article.  WoD is set to launch 11/13 while Altar of Malice is set to launch 11/11. Do you think Blizzard is herding their children? Project Titan was setback and reiterated on to wait on better technology and is set to be ready hopefully after EQ Next. I also follow lots of Everquest Next devs and "blizzard careers" keeps popping up on my add friends list. All this clever marketing for the fact that every 6 months from now World of Warcraft will lose  a million people and  Draenor being the same game that lost 900,000 in three months it won't stop bleeding so they see Everquest as a potential foe by the time Next launches. Is WoW doomed for just item grinding while Next promises adventure gameplay and a storylines you create beyond a narrative?

    No.

     

  • Instigator-JonesInstigator-Jones Member UncommonPosts: 530
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    Originally posted by Allein
    Originally posted by Infantryonline

    Muh user base. Noone with a complex mind is enthralled by WoW. WoW, not Blizzard, ruined PC games by showing the industry that a dumbed down product is the only way to appeal to the masses. Now everyone that tries to be successful has to be accessible for everyone. Nevermind they nailed the Everquest formula. The bulk of the population is drawn by the"casual"(dont know any other word) features and they never did expand on the EQ formula or evolve which means Blizzard has no integrity to games in general. They don't make games in general better. They make games worse and should be dethroned. If everyone thought like me, Blizzard would have 70x12million (840 million) instead of 12 billion. Because once you try it. Its not a good game and you quit and don't look back because it was meh. 

    Could you give some examples of fantasy mmorpgs that complex minds would enjoy? EQN is trying to be the new WoW, simply in different ways. Which I have no problem with. I enjoyed WoW for a time and will hopefully enjoy EQN for a longer period. I've yet to play a game before/after WoW that is "better" beyond subjective likes/dislikes. Blizzard made the genre in to what it is for good or bad. Without them we wouldn't have the wide variety of games most likely, regardless if they are good/bad in our eyes.

    More horror mythos then fantasy but The Secret world was a great game that didn't do well simply because it made too many people realise just how dumb they are.

    The is laughable; suggesting that TSW players somehow "get-it", while bashers are just to dumb to comprehend the game. I play TSW, and I can attest that it's chock FULL of idiots.

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