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f2p is broken

HarikenHariken Member RarePosts: 2,384
I just watched a video on this from the extra credits guys. I couldn't find the link. But the replies were really heated. But one thing stood out. Many people thought game companies should change the f2p title into a more truthful one. Like free to try.or something like that. What do you guys think?

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  • Agent_JosephAgent_Joseph Member UncommonPosts: 1,331

    Free to Play is magic , it bring players who ll spend money , a lot money

    free to try ... blah ...avoid

    only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  • PepeqPepeq Member UncommonPosts: 1,977

    I love these posts... because complaining about something that is free is ridiculous and yet, complain they do.

     

    They complain for the sake of complaining.  Nothing more, nothing less.

  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,778

    You can't define business models with overly broad general terms anymore. There is no such thing as F2P or P2P. Every publisher has their own twist on how you pay, even if it's monthly. Some offer multi-month discounts, others offer game time or cash in the form of RMT tokens (PLEX, REX, KRONO, etc), and others combine various payment methods.

    All F2P ever meant was that a subscription wasn't required to access the servers. If I try to log into WoW or FFXIV or ESO or Wildstar without an active subscription, I can't do it. So you could call that P2P, but those waters get muddied too because WoW has a cash shop where you can buy items from the launcher. WoW also allows free access to the servers up until you have a character with a level greater than 20.

    Some F2P games offer an optional (or not so optional) subscription. Some heavily monetize game systems, others monetize items too.

    F2P means you can play some portion of the game for free without an up front payment. It's a marketing term, just like P2P, not a revenue definition. A business makes for profit money in some way, else it would be defined as some sort of non-profit or not-for-profit organization and have a better tax setup.

    What I think is that trying to define everything down to the nth degree is futile and a waste of time.

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  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member RarePosts: 6,549
    It's fine. It tells me I don't have to pay to play the game for an unlimited period of time if I choose not to. It is much more than a free trial.
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • PepeqPepeq Member UncommonPosts: 1,977
    Lifetime subscription... now that is the wave of the future... we should discuss.
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Originally posted by Hariken
    I just watched a video on this from the extra credits guys. I couldn't find the link. But the replies were really heated. But one thing stood out. Many people thought game companies should change the f2p title into a more truthful one. Like free to try.or something like that. What do you guys think?

    No!!!! Please no!!!  

     

    I think we had some guy on here already who wanted to introduce like 50 different acronyms, because MMORPG was simply to generalized. So what are we going to get? You show me a game that touts itself as a F2P game and CANNOT be played completely free, there are pretty much none out there. You can pay for conveniences, but they aren't telling you that you can no longer progress if you don't give them money. 

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  • PepeqPepeq Member UncommonPosts: 1,977
    Originally posted by CrazKanuk
    Originally posted by Hariken
    I just watched a video on this from the extra credits guys. I couldn't find the link. But the replies were really heated. But one thing stood out. Many people thought game companies should change the f2p title into a more truthful one. Like free to try.or something like that. What do you guys think?

    No!!!! Please no!!!  

     

    I think we had some guy on here already who wanted to introduce like 50 different acronyms, because MMORPG was simply to generalized. So what are we going to get? You show me a game that touts itself as a F2P game and CANNOT be played completely free, there are pretty much none out there. You can pay for conveniences, but they aren't telling you that you can no longer progress if you don't give them money. 

    Like MMORPG.com is some sort of gaming consortium... today we degree F2P to be forever referred to as FluffyButt, all in favor, say Aye!  It's is done then.  Anyone using a phrase other than FluffyButt will be expelled from the realm and flogged on the forums from this day forward.

  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar Member RarePosts: 1,492

    F2P means you can play the game without paying a subscription.  I don't see why we need a different acronym than that.  It's Free to Play.  No one ever said "Free to play while still on the same footing as the payers", nor is that implied anywhere in the words "Free To Play".

     

    No need to complicate things by changing the acronym or coming up with new ones.  This isn't rocket science here.  Some F2P games have a more greedy cash shop while others don't, but then again, some games are GOOD and some games are BAD.  That doesn't mean we need to come up with different GENRES just to differentiate good games from bad games, nor should we have to come up with different acronyms to differentiate greedy F2Ps from not-so-greedy ones.

     

    F2T ("free to try") is really best just kept at "Free Trial" (a term that's existed before F2P did).  Again, that one isn't rocket science.  You get a very small portion of the game for free and that's that.

  • PulsarManPulsarMan Member Posts: 289

    I've always felt that in a perfect world, free to play is a win for everyone. 

    Since they're giving it away, everyone gets to try your game. If your content is free, it would have to be some damned fine content in order to convince players to stick around and spend money. Good games for free that we can choose to spend money on? Hell yeah!

    Sadly, the world is not perfect. Instead of entirely focusing on creating compelling content in which players more than happy to shell out a few bucks for that box full of hats...we're often met with sales tactics. 

    Nickle and dime strategies. Pay to avoid unreasonable inconvenience. Pay to save time. And the ultimate mmo forum shame, "Pay to win." 

    The factor that we do not always consider is that these strategies in which we are not fond of, absolutely work. We can shout up and down about how "They would make more money selling hats if they just didn't piss us off with this pay2win bullshit!" but we're wrong. 

    At the end of the day, creating a game which is dismissed by the community as "pay2win"...that still makes a profit is better than creating a game that stands up for player principles and eventually get's shut down. 

    I hate to say it, but all we can do is continue to complain. When there are more people complaining than paying, the strategies for accruing profit will change. 

  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,617
    It would be nice if people were smart enough to realize that the only way a company will alter their policies of gaming model is if people do not support it at all. B*tching about a game while still playing it does not matter at all, only actions do. So if a game is "broken" or whatever, just don't play and the more people stop, the more the companies will conform.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,772
    Originally posted by Albatroes
    It would be nice if people were smart enough to realize that the only way a company will alter their policies of gaming model is if people do not support it at all. B*tching about a game while still playing it does not matter at all, only actions do. So if a game is "broken" or whatever, just don't play and the more people stop, the more the companies will conform.

    How do you know they are not smart enough?

    May be they like f2p enough and don't want companies to alter their policies?

    You don't like f2p does not mean that everyone else does not.

     

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