Well.. i at least learned one thing. If a kickstarter is not funded, the funder don't have any right to get their money back. At least it seemed like that. I usually thought it have to be funded before someone could spent that money.. at that if it is not funded you could sue them to get your money back. Therefore no open law cases against Brad McQuaid?
no one gets charged for pledges unless the kickstarter funds (Pantheon did not fund)
Pantheon raised money *after* the kickstarter failed
Thanks for the additional information. And again.. i am happy to hear that kickstarter is obviously well aware of what problems could come up with such methods. Sure they can not guarantee what some offer, and how much "work" it really is worth.. but then again you get something. But be able to take money from not successful funded projects would be disastrous.
Sidenote: And about Brad McQuaid and/or Pantheon.. i really don't care.. i never was really interested in that game. But practices like that reflect discredit on other more serious projects. I don't know, if he is either clueless(and didn't want to harm anyone and meant it honest to fund his project), or if it was on purpose.. but even for startups.. and especially with crowdfunding involved.. you have to come up with your money upfront until your project is crowdfunded. And if you have no money for that.. look for investors or let it be. And i don't care about if he took for himself more or not or for other contractors doesn't really matter.. because how many you pay yourself in your own startup is up to you.. and doesn't matter. But to take money for a not funded project is really a no-go. My two cents about that.
If casinos are not a scam to you I don't know what to say ...
Alright, I can't help it, I have seen you mention casinos twice now, and either you don't know how casinos operate, or you don't know what the word "scam" really means...
The definition of "scam" is as follows:
Noun. - a dishonest way to make money by deceiving people
Verb. - to deceive and take money from (someone); to defraud
Casino's are in no way scams, or scamming people. Everyone that walks into a casino knows that the odds are not in their favor by a long shot. they know they will PROBABLY lose, but there is always that small chance and glimmer of hope that they will beat the odds. The ONLY way a casino could be scamming people is if they posted fake and inflated odds, or rigged their card chutes or slot machines so people always lose. A casino itself, while usually a losing proposition, and gambling in a casino is most definitely a poor way to spend your money, are not scams.
As for this whole situation, I haven't really followed the developments or know the whole story, but from what I have read, and know from past experience I highly doubt Brad set out intending to scam or mislead people. It's VERY well known that, while the dude may have some skill as an MMO developer he is an AWFUL manager, especially when it comes to money, and that is the reason Sigil and Vanguard failed. Dude should not be in charge of a company, ever, and he seems to readily admit as much when he mentions the need to 'find a CEO' and other references he makes to finding leadership for his studio. Why anyone would invest in a project he was in-charge of is beyond me, a project that he is involved with as a developer, or producer though is a different story.
From what I've read about this situation though, it seems Brad has most definitely sealed his fate this time. I can't see him ever being placed in charge of funds, or an entire studio ever again. A development team? Sure, rock on. But until he finds some people to manage the day to day operations of whatever project he is involved in, giving him any more money is almost surely a losing proposition.
Everyone know the odds are not in their favor you say ? Are you telling me that there is a sign next to each machine telling people about the odds of wining ? Most people I know still believe it's all random. All the machines are rigged to the point that the casino knows exactly how much money they will get out of em.
Card games and roulette are not in the same ballpark, those you know the odds. But as for all the slot machines they are totally a deceiving way to get money as far as I am concerned.
Actually, slot machines payout percentages are actually quite easy to find. You are able to Google Slot Machine Payouts or RTP (Return to Player) and it's quite easy to find speculated payouts and even state minimum payout percentages. You're talking like these are just some sort of mystical thing where the casino doesn't really know how things are going to go, and neither does the player. Slot machines are programmed. In fact, they are probably more predictable than the majority of non-skill based table games (ie roulette or craps). In some cases, casinos even publish a machines payout trend, so you can decide whether or not you believe that it's worth playing, knowing that the machine MUST maintain a certain payout percentage. So it is rng, but... not?
Yeah....... soooooooooo..... Google.com....... just type stuff right in there and BAM! Answers!
I feel it's important that everyone involved creating the game gets cash for all their hard work.
After looking at the gameplay trailers I feel also that they need people who can create good looking models which can move properly (and not use those from unity store which looks horrible). However I will wait and see how this project evolves. Hopefully they will manage to create a MMO which is not only fun to play but also looks decent. The dungeon in the trailer below has little Skyrim look over it. It's a good start at least but it's important they are complex as those in EQ (Guk, etc..), so it's not just one path to the end of the dungeon... Wait... a dungeon should never have an end like those simplistic ones we see in WoW for example and most other MMOs. I rather see they make few (~15 to 20) really large and good looking ones than many (25 to 50) smaller simplistic ones. Let us also enjoy traps as we did in EQ. Implement them as in Skyrim. Let also rogues be able to discover them little easier via a passiv skill.
If casinos are not a scam to you I don't know what to say ...
Alright, I can't help it, I have seen you mention casinos twice now, and either you don't know how casinos operate, or you don't know what the word "scam" really means...
The definition of "scam" is as follows:
Noun. - a dishonest way to make money by deceiving people
Verb. - to deceive and take money from (someone); to defraud
Casino's are in no way scams, or scamming people. Everyone that walks into a casino knows that the odds are not in their favor by a long shot. they know they will PROBABLY lose, but there is always that small chance and glimmer of hope that they will beat the odds. The ONLY way a casino could be scamming people is if they posted fake and inflated odds, or rigged their card chutes or slot machines so people always lose. A casino itself, while usually a losing proposition, and gambling in a casino is most definitely a poor way to spend your money, are not scams.
As for this whole situation, I haven't really followed the developments or know the whole story, but from what I have read, and know from past experience I highly doubt Brad set out intending to scam or mislead people. It's VERY well known that, while the dude may have some skill as an MMO developer he is an AWFUL manager, especially when it comes to money, and that is the reason Sigil and Vanguard failed. Dude should not be in charge of a company, ever, and he seems to readily admit as much when he mentions the need to 'find a CEO' and other references he makes to finding leadership for his studio. Why anyone would invest in a project he was in-charge of is beyond me, a project that he is involved with as a developer, or producer though is a different story.
From what I've read about this situation though, it seems Brad has most definitely sealed his fate this time. I can't see him ever being placed in charge of funds, or an entire studio ever again. A development team? Sure, rock on. But until he finds some people to manage the day to day operations of whatever project he is involved in, giving him any more money is almost surely a losing proposition.
Everyone know the odds are not in their favor you say ? Are you telling me that there is a sign next to each machine telling people about the odds of wining ? Most people I know still believe it's all random. All the machines are rigged to the point that the casino knows exactly how much money they will get out of em.
Card games and roulette are not in the same ballpark, those you know the odds. But as for all the slot machines they are totally a deceiving way to get money as far as I am concerned.
Actually, slot machines payout percentages are actually quite easy to find. You are able to Google Slot Machine Payouts or RTP (Return to Player) and it's quite easy to find speculated payouts and even state minimum payout percentages. You're talking like these are just some sort of mystical thing where the casino doesn't really know how things are going to go, and neither does the player. Slot machines are programmed. In fact, they are probably more predictable than the majority of non-skill based table games (ie roulette or craps). In some cases, casinos even publish a machines payout trend, so you can decide whether or not you believe that it's worth playing, knowing that the machine MUST maintain a certain payout percentage. So it is rng, but... not?
Yeah....... soooooooooo..... Google.com....... just type stuff right in there and BAM! Answers!
hmm well thanks for confirming what I said I guess ... but it is still not advertised on the machine while you play it. There is nothing easier to predict than roulette. It's basic statistic, nothing hidden about it.
Machines dont show your odds of winning, when you put your coin in, the chance to win is not known. That's why I think it is shaddier, most casino tell you the RTP of the casino as a whole, not specific part of their activities.
If casinos are not a scam to you I don't know what to say ...
Alright, I can't help it, I have seen you mention casinos twice now, and either you don't know how casinos operate, or you don't know what the word "scam" really means...
The definition of "scam" is as follows:
Noun. - a dishonest way to make money by deceiving people
Verb. - to deceive and take money from (someone); to defraud
Casino's are in no way scams, or scamming people. Everyone that walks into a casino knows that the odds are not in their favor by a long shot. they know they will PROBABLY lose, but there is always that small chance and glimmer of hope that they will beat the odds. The ONLY way a casino could be scamming people is if they posted fake and inflated odds, or rigged their card chutes or slot machines so people always lose. Casinos in and of themselves, while usually losing propositions for the common gambler, and even with gambling most definitely being a poor way to spend your money, are not scams.
As for this whole situation, I haven't really followed the developments or know the whole story, but from what I have read, and know from past experience I highly doubt Brad set out intending to scam or mislead people. It's VERY well known that, while the dude may have some skill as an MMO developer he is an AWFUL manager, especially when it comes to money, and that is the reason Sigil and Vanguard failed. Dude should not be in charge of a company, ever, and he seems to readily admit as much when he mentions the need to 'find a CEO' and other references he makes to finding leadership for his studio. Why anyone would invest in a project he was in-charge of is beyond me, a project that he is involved with as a developer, or producer though is a different story.
From what I've read about this situation though, it seems Brad has most definitely sealed his fate this time. I can't see him ever being placed in charge of funds, or an entire studio ever again. A development team? Sure, rock on. But until he finds some people to manage the day to day operations of whatever project he is involved in, giving him any more money is almost surely a losing proposition.
An intelligent response and perspective. Well said sir!
Azoth, you could not be more wrong about the odds. You really should try googling things before making such statements. Let me make an example that is easy to understand. You can go to any mall or walmart and find a claw machine game. There is no skill required to play, it is odds. The machine is set to payout 1 for x amount of times played. Now, in casinos, the states determine payouts based on the amount spent. You play the 10 dollar slots, the odds of a payout are increased. Nickel(0.05 cents) have a pay out rate far lower than 10 dollar slots. Casinos do not hide nor can they what the state tells them to set the machines to. Google is a great tool.
Roses are red Violets are blue The reviewer has a mishapen head Which means his opinion is skewed ...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
Originally posted by lugal Azoth, you could not be more wrong about the odds. You really should try googling things before making such statements. Let me make an example that is easy to understand. You can go to any mall or walmart and find a claw machine game. There is no skill required to play, it is odds. The machine is set to payout 1 for x amount of times played. Now, in casinos, the states determine payouts based on the amount spent. You play the 10 dollar slots, the odds of a payout are increased. Nickel(0.05 cents) have a pay out rate far lower than 10 dollar slots. Casinos do not hide nor can they what the state tells them to set the machines to. Google is a great tool.
You seem to be missing the point. Yes the odds are known to the casino and the state. The person playing the machine knows at all time the odds he have to win ? Are you saying that at all time the odds of wining are the same on a specific machine ?
Originally posted by lugal Azoth, the odds change with each play on a machine. The programs that determine the amount of payout is different to each game.
And that is what I have been saying all along. The person sitting in from of the machine doesn't know the odds of winning since they are changing.
If casinos are not a scam to you I don't know what to say ...
Alright, I can't help it, I have seen you mention casinos twice now, and either you don't know how casinos operate, or you don't know what the word "scam" really means...
The definition of "scam" is as follows:
Noun. - a dishonest way to make money by deceiving people
Verb. - to deceive and take money from (someone); to defraud
Casino's are in no way scams, or scamming people. Everyone that walks into a casino knows that the odds are not in their favor by a long shot. they know they will PROBABLY lose, but there is always that small chance and glimmer of hope that they will beat the odds. The ONLY way a casino could be scamming people is if they posted fake and inflated odds, or rigged their card chutes or slot machines so people always lose. A casino itself, while usually a losing proposition, and gambling in a casino is most definitely a poor way to spend your money, are not scams.
As for this whole situation, I haven't really followed the developments or know the whole story, but from what I have read, and know from past experience I highly doubt Brad set out intending to scam or mislead people. It's VERY well known that, while the dude may have some skill as an MMO developer he is an AWFUL manager, especially when it comes to money, and that is the reason Sigil and Vanguard failed. Dude should not be in charge of a company, ever, and he seems to readily admit as much when he mentions the need to 'find a CEO' and other references he makes to finding leadership for his studio. Why anyone would invest in a project he was in-charge of is beyond me, a project that he is involved with as a developer, or producer though is a different story.
From what I've read about this situation though, it seems Brad has most definitely sealed his fate this time. I can't see him ever being placed in charge of funds, or an entire studio ever again. A development team? Sure, rock on. But until he finds some people to manage the day to day operations of whatever project he is involved in, giving him any more money is almost surely a losing proposition.
Everyone know the odds are not in their favor you say ? Are you telling me that there is a sign next to each machine telling people about the odds of wining ? Most people I know still believe it's all random. All the machines are rigged to the point that the casino knows exactly how much money they will get out of em.
Card games and roulette are not in the same ballpark, those you know the odds. But as for all the slot machines they are totally a deceiving way to get money as far as I am concerned.
Actually, slot machines payout percentages are actually quite easy to find. You are able to Google Slot Machine Payouts or RTP (Return to Player) and it's quite easy to find speculated payouts and even state minimum payout percentages. You're talking like these are just some sort of mystical thing where the casino doesn't really know how things are going to go, and neither does the player. Slot machines are programmed. In fact, they are probably more predictable than the majority of non-skill based table games (ie roulette or craps). In some cases, casinos even publish a machines payout trend, so you can decide whether or not you believe that it's worth playing, knowing that the machine MUST maintain a certain payout percentage. So it is rng, but... not?
Yeah....... soooooooooo..... Google.com....... just type stuff right in there and BAM! Answers!
hmm well thanks for confirming what I said I guess ... but it is still not advertised on the machine while you play it. There is nothing easier to predict than roulette. It's basic statistic, nothing hidden about it.
Machines dont show your odds of winning, when you put your coin in, the chance to win is not known. That's why I think it is shaddier, most casino tell you the RTP of the casino as a whole, not specific part of their activities.
Lotteries don't show odds of winning, either, but that doesn't mean that someone, outside someone completely delusional, believes that they have a chance of actually winning. It doesn't matter if the RTP is 75% or 95%, the outcome is the same, the only chance you have of winning is by not playing or stopping.
The differentiation between a game of chance and a scam is that a scam would be like a casino advertising 110% payouts, or someone guaranteeing returns on your investments, or promising you some return with no intent on delivering. I can certainly understand your position that games of chance are LIKE scams in that the casino always wins (whether it be out of my pocket or out of someone else's pocket), but the difference is that you are spending your money with the understanding that this is the risk. Same goes for 50/50 draws. It's not like the kids they've got walking around selling you 50/50 tickets at the local sporting event are scamming you. In fact, they do exactly what they say they're going to do, they draw a name from the drum and that person gets 50% of the cash, and some other worthy cause gets 50%. Not a scam.
NOW! Feel free to revisit this thread 5 years from now and call Brad a scammer, should he never deliver the game. I'll join right in with you. Right now, though, it's a bit early.
If casinos are not a scam to you I don't know what to say ...
Alright, I can't help it, I have seen you mention casinos twice now, and either you don't know how casinos operate, or you don't know what the word "scam" really means...
The definition of "scam" is as follows:
Noun. - a dishonest way to make money by deceiving people
Verb. - to deceive and take money from (someone); to defraud
Casino's are in no way scams, or scamming people. Everyone that walks into a casino knows that the odds are not in their favor by a long shot. they know they will PROBABLY lose, but there is always that small chance and glimmer of hope that they will beat the odds. The ONLY way a casino could be scamming people is if they posted fake and inflated odds, or rigged their card chutes or slot machines so people always lose. A casino itself, while usually a losing proposition, and gambling in a casino is most definitely a poor way to spend your money, are not scams.
As for this whole situation, I haven't really followed the developments or know the whole story, but from what I have read, and know from past experience I highly doubt Brad set out intending to scam or mislead people. It's VERY well known that, while the dude may have some skill as an MMO developer he is an AWFUL manager, especially when it comes to money, and that is the reason Sigil and Vanguard failed. Dude should not be in charge of a company, ever, and he seems to readily admit as much when he mentions the need to 'find a CEO' and other references he makes to finding leadership for his studio. Why anyone would invest in a project he was in-charge of is beyond me, a project that he is involved with as a developer, or producer though is a different story.
From what I've read about this situation though, it seems Brad has most definitely sealed his fate this time. I can't see him ever being placed in charge of funds, or an entire studio ever again. A development team? Sure, rock on. But until he finds some people to manage the day to day operations of whatever project he is involved in, giving him any more money is almost surely a losing proposition.
Everyone know the odds are not in their favor you say ? Are you telling me that there is a sign next to each machine telling people about the odds of wining ? Most people I know still believe it's all random. All the machines are rigged to the point that the casino knows exactly how much money they will get out of em.
Card games and roulette are not in the same ballpark, those you know the odds. But as for all the slot machines they are totally a deceiving way to get money as far as I am concerned.
Actually, slot machines payout percentages are actually quite easy to find. You are able to Google Slot Machine Payouts or RTP (Return to Player) and it's quite easy to find speculated payouts and even state minimum payout percentages. You're talking like these are just some sort of mystical thing where the casino doesn't really know how things are going to go, and neither does the player. Slot machines are programmed. In fact, they are probably more predictable than the majority of non-skill based table games (ie roulette or craps). In some cases, casinos even publish a machines payout trend, so you can decide whether or not you believe that it's worth playing, knowing that the machine MUST maintain a certain payout percentage. So it is rng, but... not?
Yeah....... soooooooooo..... Google.com....... just type stuff right in there and BAM! Answers!
hmm well thanks for confirming what I said I guess ... but it is still not advertised on the machine while you play it. There is nothing easier to predict than roulette. It's basic statistic, nothing hidden about it.
Machines dont show your odds of winning, when you put your coin in, the chance to win is not known. That's why I think it is shaddier, most casino tell you the RTP of the casino as a whole, not specific part of their activities.
Lotteries don't show odds of winning, either, but that doesn't mean that someone, outside someone completely delusional, believes that they have a chance of actually winning. It doesn't matter if the RTP is 75% or 95%, the outcome is the same, the only chance you have of winning is by not playing or stopping.
The differentiation between a game of chance and a scam is that a scam would be like a casino advertising 110% payouts, or someone guaranteeing returns on your investments, or promising you some return with no intent on delivering. I can certainly understand your position that games of chance are LIKE scams in that the casino always wins (whether it be out of my pocket or out of someone else's pocket), but the difference is that you are spending your money with the understanding that this is the risk. Same goes for 50/50 draws. It's not like the kids they've got walking around selling you 50/50 tickets at the local sporting event are scamming you. In fact, they do exactly what they say they're going to do, they draw a name from the drum and that person gets 50% of the cash, and some other worthy cause gets 50%. Not a scam.
NOW! Feel free to revisit this thread 5 years from now and call Brad a scammer, should he never deliver the game. I'll join right in with you. Right now, though, it's a bit early.
I don't even remember how this started since the posts have been deleted, but I never implied that pantheon was a scam. I am actually cheering for it to be made.
While the casinos are not lying, I still think it is a form of scaming tho, as in it can be deceiving. While a Casino says they have a 99% payout for example. It is misleading and most people won't know what it really means.
I'm probably just nieve, but when I see Epic posts from someone who has put so much time and effort at explaining and defending himself against the armchair experts, I can't help but want to root for them and wish them the best
I am indeed following Pantheon the game and not the politics and quite excited with this vision of Brad's
At the end of it all, if people want to throw money into this project, good stuff!
Originally posted by ReallyNow10 Brad's answer works for me, given so little I know. And I will go ON THE RECORD to say that I trust Brad more than some of the posters on this site. I will leave off names, but they know who they are.
I feel it's important that everyone involved creating the game gets cash for all their hard work.
After looking at the gameplay trailers I feel also that they need people who can create good looking models which can move properly (and not use those from unity store which looks horrible). However I will wait and see how this project evolves. Hopefully they will manage to create a MMO which is not only fun to play but also looks decent. The dungeon in the trailer below has little Skyrim look over it. It's a good start at least but it's important they are complex as those in EQ (Guk, etc..), so it's not just one path to the end of the dungeon... Wait... a dungeon should never have an end like those simplistic ones we see in WoW for example and most other MMOs. I rather see they make few (~15 to 20) really large and good looking ones than many (25 to 50) smaller simplistic ones. Let us also enjoy traps as we did in EQ. Implement them as in Skyrim. Let also rogues be able to discover them little easier via a passiv skill.
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Thanks for the additional information. And again.. i am happy to hear that kickstarter is obviously well aware of what problems could come up with such methods. Sure they can not guarantee what some offer, and how much "work" it really is worth.. but then again you get something. But be able to take money from not successful funded projects would be disastrous.
Sidenote: And about Brad McQuaid and/or Pantheon.. i really don't care.. i never was really interested in that game. But practices like that reflect discredit on other more serious projects. I don't know, if he is either clueless(and didn't want to harm anyone and meant it honest to fund his project), or if it was on purpose.. but even for startups.. and especially with crowdfunding involved.. you have to come up with your money upfront until your project is crowdfunded. And if you have no money for that.. look for investors or let it be. And i don't care about if he took for himself more or not or for other contractors doesn't really matter.. because how many you pay yourself in your own startup is up to you.. and doesn't matter. But to take money for a not funded project is really a no-go. My two cents about that.
Actually, slot machines payout percentages are actually quite easy to find. You are able to Google Slot Machine Payouts or RTP (Return to Player) and it's quite easy to find speculated payouts and even state minimum payout percentages. You're talking like these are just some sort of mystical thing where the casino doesn't really know how things are going to go, and neither does the player. Slot machines are programmed. In fact, they are probably more predictable than the majority of non-skill based table games (ie roulette or craps). In some cases, casinos even publish a machines payout trend, so you can decide whether or not you believe that it's worth playing, knowing that the machine MUST maintain a certain payout percentage. So it is rng, but... not?
Yeah....... soooooooooo..... Google.com....... just type stuff right in there and BAM! Answers!
Crazkanuk
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Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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I feel it's important that everyone involved creating the game gets cash for all their hard work.
After looking at the gameplay trailers I feel also that they need people who can create good looking models which can move properly (and not use those from unity store which looks horrible). However I will wait and see how this project evolves. Hopefully they will manage to create a MMO which is not only fun to play but also looks decent. The dungeon in the trailer below has little Skyrim look over it. It's a good start at least but it's important they are complex as those in EQ (Guk, etc..), so it's not just one path to the end of the dungeon... Wait... a dungeon should never have an end like those simplistic ones we see in WoW for example and most other MMOs. I rather see they make few (~15 to 20) really large and good looking ones than many (25 to 50) smaller simplistic ones. Let us also enjoy traps as we did in EQ.
Implement them as in Skyrim. Let also rogues be able to discover them little easier via a passiv skill. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0cvcSmbtOM
hmm well thanks for confirming what I said I guess ... but it is still not advertised on the machine while you play it. There is nothing easier to predict than roulette. It's basic statistic, nothing hidden about it.
Machines dont show your odds of winning, when you put your coin in, the chance to win is not known. That's why I think it is shaddier, most casino tell you the RTP of the casino as a whole, not specific part of their activities.
An intelligent response and perspective. Well said sir!
Let me make an example that is easy to understand. You can go to any mall or walmart and find a claw machine game. There is no skill required to play, it is odds. The machine is set to payout 1 for x amount of times played. Now, in casinos, the states determine payouts based on the amount spent. You play the 10 dollar slots, the odds of a payout are increased. Nickel(0.05 cents) have a pay out rate far lower than 10 dollar slots.
Casinos do not hide nor can they what the state tells them to set the machines to.
Google is a great tool.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
You seem to be missing the point. Yes the odds are known to the casino and the state. The person playing the machine knows at all time the odds he have to win ? Are you saying that at all time the odds of wining are the same on a specific machine ?
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
And that is what I have been saying all along. The person sitting in from of the machine doesn't know the odds of winning since they are changing.
http://casinogambling.about.com/od/slots/a/percentage.htm
First part of this explains what I have been trying to say.
Lotteries don't show odds of winning, either, but that doesn't mean that someone, outside someone completely delusional, believes that they have a chance of actually winning. It doesn't matter if the RTP is 75% or 95%, the outcome is the same, the only chance you have of winning is by not playing or stopping.
The differentiation between a game of chance and a scam is that a scam would be like a casino advertising 110% payouts, or someone guaranteeing returns on your investments, or promising you some return with no intent on delivering. I can certainly understand your position that games of chance are LIKE scams in that the casino always wins (whether it be out of my pocket or out of someone else's pocket), but the difference is that you are spending your money with the understanding that this is the risk. Same goes for 50/50 draws. It's not like the kids they've got walking around selling you 50/50 tickets at the local sporting event are scamming you. In fact, they do exactly what they say they're going to do, they draw a name from the drum and that person gets 50% of the cash, and some other worthy cause gets 50%. Not a scam.
NOW! Feel free to revisit this thread 5 years from now and call Brad a scammer, should he never deliver the game. I'll join right in with you. Right now, though, it's a bit early.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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I don't even remember how this started since the posts have been deleted, but I never implied that pantheon was a scam. I am actually cheering for it to be made.
While the casinos are not lying, I still think it is a form of scaming tho, as in it can be deceiving. While a Casino says they have a 99% payout for example. It is misleading and most people won't know what it really means.
You tell it!
See you in-game! Go Brad Go! /snickerThe dungeon in the end of above trailer looks to be bought assets from Unity store....
https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/10875