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I educate myself on what a game is like, rather than wishing it to be another game. I then either buy it or pass.
If I have a gripe, it's the out-of-control bitterness and negativity surrounding what should be a fun pastime. This isn't life-or-death. When I read MMO complaints I see a contradictory mess. People demand the same features that they hate. They simultaneously attack any different approach (must have an auction house! must have mutiple hotkey bars!) and want something new (but usually vague and unspecified.) So a ES game must have the ability to do every single thing in precisely the same way as all previous ES games..or it's a failure. And all of the things possible in ESO and not in Skyrim don't count in the ledger.
I think that a lot of the people who are so upset should, seriously, simply step away from MMOs for awhile. Try some indie games to scratch your gaming itch. Do FTL, or Don't Starve. Goof around in Torchlight II or Diablo III. Try roguelikes. Have fun!
Oh yes, that "Complete Open World" you can find in TES: Redguard.
Leave the PvE Zones, and come out to the Cyrodill, the real game world. It's TES in a world filled with thousands of people.
I don't know why you feel so angry. The game hit into the 'we did ok' range in sales and subs and will be free to play by Christmas to keep 20 to 30k playing.
I'm a TES game fan and enjoyed beta testing the product, but knew I wouldn't get it because of this very reason.
The current MMO design is just too bland for my tastes and there's plenty of good non-MMO games that give me community, multiplayer, and innovation.
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I for one agree with you OP, this coarse that MMO's have taken is inevitable especially in todays world, I imagine you are an older gamer, we charished games that were unfair and challenging. Now days and future days to come its only going to get worse, the younger generations are being raised to believe that they will get whatever they want, some how some way. They fail to see the damage that is done, because they dont know what quality is, more or less they dont care either, to them quality is if its handed to me with minimal work then its better, but they dont understand is whats recieved through hard intense work, is much more satisfying. Developers dont even have their own ideas anymore, they go out and ask the people what they want.....then they give it to them, collect money for about a year, then make it FTP with a cash shop, then repeat the same process, and once again, ask the people what they want and give it to them, this is never going to work because so many people want different things, but what you discover in doing this is the biggest player base, what the largest chunk of players want, and the funny thing is the larger chunk is the least dedicated, meaning that like guild jumpers who arent happy till they get easy street with a power house, they will jump to another game until they get what they want, there is no longevity, Ive been playing games since 1985, and in my opinion they have become garbage, its not fun playing by myself, its not fun that just because i fill a group that means i win the encounter either, there is no community, the devs are basically driving the great wedge between players much like our great leaders are drving wedges between people in the real world. que popped ill be back later to add more, but this is science, do some research and you will see, and to end it just saying this
These sites are paid by the development companies to advertise, you are never going to see people side with you over the games no matter how bad they are. So ignore those posts and just keep throwing out the message maybe one day the sheeple will realizse there is better out there and its better to boycott then to accept a problem.
Imagine a Mario game without jumping, dude. That's what I feel ESO is. A TES game without the things that made all the other TES things great.
I agree that the people who are upset should step away from MMO's a while. Stop giving these developers your money, because they aren't going to make a decent MMO until you do. I'm not playing any MMO at the moment, or giving my money to any of them.
Also, I already played Diablo 3. And the expansion. I ran through that content pretty fast, but it was at least enjoyable, and I had no real complaints about that game. Been playing Starcraft 2 lately. It's honestly more fun to just troll on there than it is to play any recent MMO I've tried..
Oh I'll keep throwing out the message. I understand I will be met with resistance, but I don't care. My life for Aiur!
Our fury is boundless.
I think the OP's point is well taken. ESO is not the TES game that many had hoped for. ESO suffers pretty much what the OP states, a design philosophy that says you must be more "theme park" then original. Frankly, I have failed to see many new MMO's in the past few years that have bothered to even attempt to stay away from that theme park design template. And at the same time, I have not seen many (if any) of those that one would call a raging success.
ESO may be a fine MMO with a lot of same ole same ole features we have seen before. And if people are willing to pay and play that sort of thing...more power to them. However, there are those of us that ARE burnt out on the treadmill we have seen so much of lately.
Let's party like it is 1863!
I for one, only wanted a MULTIPLAYER TES game. Like 2-4 people... ugh.
RAWR
I should not say that... Angry Joe, Cynical Brit, Zero Punctuation and so on and so forth.... It seems to be a career if you do it right.
This have been a good conversation
I actually agree with mostly everything in your post, even if I felt it was a bit over the top. This part stuck out for me, though.
I played Atari when I was little. Gaming in itself was innovative, but the games themselves were not. Choplifter, Space Invaders, Pole Position, Stampede... was that demanding more? Was that a high standard? Not at all, we were just happy to be playing games.
The industry has come a very, very long way. Look at Super Nintendo titles of the early 90's, compared to games 20 years later. Sure, Final Fantasy III and ChronoTrigger might be more enjoyable.. but from a technological standpoint? From an interaction standpoint? Leaps and bounds man.
I think MMOs in particular have stagnated a bit over the past six or seven years in terms of overall concept, but we're still seeing minor innovation inside that narrow concept. Proving small things like adding difficulty into MMOs again can be profitable? That's a huge step in the right direction. Just because it's in a game I don't like doesn't reduce the potential impact. Who knows? Maybe ESO's Thieves Guild will be another implementation that catches on. Maybe EQNext's voxel-based world catches on. All these things can fit into those "high standards", which really just means you want a game marketed to your style to come along. A game that's exactly what YOU think it should be.
- Nellus
Zero Punctuation is my hero.
Oh come on. You understood exactly what he meant, and you know it. He's not the one trolling here.
But just in case you, or anyone else, can't understand what he was saying, or are so caught up in cherry-picking that you can't see the forest for the trees... I'll put it simply:
He enjoyed playing Pokemon and MTG in school. This made him a popular target among the "bullies", who picked fights with him for it, apparently quite often, because it's "nerdy" or "geeky". In those altercations, he may have gotten a bloody nose or something... Hence, he "bled for the ability to participate in a hobby he enjoyed".
It's really quite simple to understand what he was getting at. It's not like he's using College level English or anything.
I actually discourage people like the OP from posting stuff like they did. Not because it's not worth sharing their opinions, but because - as a rule - the general population on a gaming forum is either incapable of comprehending what's being said, or are too busy ripping it apart to be bothered.
I understand exactly what you're getting at, OP. I also agree with the overall message. Sadly, a place like this - or gaming forums in general - are the worst place to try and express your views on something. Most people are too busy behaving like douchebags because they think it impresses others and makes them look cool. At the very least, it impresses themselves.
True there was a steep decline in the quality of games before Nintendo shook things up. The gaming market in the West nearly died because of that though. I think we're starting to see that again, with so many video games designed more to make money than anything else.
Or maybe we're very familiar with his post history. You got something caught in your cheek there, TP.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
MMORPG.COM should really be paying me for all the hits I seem to be bringing to their site with my posts. In about an hour this thread has more pages than most of the others.
Any thread that's about complaining is popular on any forum. It doesn't take a genius to make one.
And I'm really good at complaining. Maybe I just need to figure out how to charge for it.
The OP loses ALL and I mean ALL credibility with the comments in red based on his orginal post. He is sick of the same old same old themepark cut and paste. I am ASHAMED to have even been responding to you.
Loads of good competition everywhere
But my complaining is higher quality because I charge a subscription, sir. Those free to hear complainers deliver a mediocre rant, and charge microtransactions for things like hyberbole.