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Why I am ashamed to call myself a gamer now.
wuhsin88
Member Posts: 70
Imagine if they made a Legend of Zelda MMO, with no puzzles, hook shots, or archery?
Imagine if they made a Super Mario World MMO, with no jumping?
Imagine if they made a Star Fox MMO, with no Arwings or dogfights?
The outcry would be huge. The backlash against the companies that made those games would put them out of business. So why is it okay for Zenimax to make an MMO without so many staple TES features? The only appropriate response to such a travesty should be outright rejection. But apparently there are lots of "gamers" who think I am "entitled" for demanding that a game stay true to its franchise. These "gamers" think that more of the same old theme park quest running design year after year is just fine, even out of games that try to cash in on existing IP's known for unique, innovative features that they purposefully exclude for their own convenience.
I don't know what has happened to gamers. We used to have higher standards than most groups. We used to not be afraid to be the nail that sticks out. We used to not fear the hammer. Now we are a bunch of complacent hamsters, happily running on our hamster wheels, stopping occasionally to press a button to get our delicious pellets. Gone are the days where game developers took risks, innovated, and created entire new genres overnight. Now you take a community college class, copy and paste some code, hire graphic designers to slap some shiny textures over your linear on-rails grind-fest, hire some shills to market it online, while your buddy with the business degree figures out how much to charge for a horse, and wah-lah! You have your very own MMO.
I am quite frankly ashamed.
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ESO was never supposed to be a TES replacement.
In all honesty it just sounds like your burned out on MMOs and you need to take a break.
Are you sure you didn't mean to post this in the Wildstar forums?
Take a break, go outside, relax. Everything's going to be ok.
When you're feeling better, re-read your post and be consoled in the fact that if you PM a mod with "Hey, I just hammered out a massive pile of out-of-touch crazy. Can you lock that for me," they most likely will, because they want you to be happy. We want you to be happy, too.
Peace.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Actually, yes. I used to actually have to fight in school just for my right to play Magic the Gathering or Pokemon without being bothered by some pompous bully. I've bled for the title of gamer. Have you? If you think complaining is "overreacting" then I doubt you could understand what it's like to be forced into violent altercations on a daily basis growing up because of your hobbies/interests. If you did, I'm sure you'd understand why I am "overreacting" to this great bastardization.
I'm not sure what forums you frequent or where you get your info, but I certainly don't see many complacent hamsters happily running on our hamster wheels on this or many other game forums regarding the state of gaming nowadays. If anything, I see the complete opposite.
The game you are looking for requiring no PvE completion and where you can just jump in and start mindlessly shooting at people is that way - >>>>
... it's called an FPS.
Quit ruining the MMORPG genre with your constant "PvE grind" whines.
If you look at real life and people in general you could say the same thing. Our species as a whole is something we should all be ashamed of. That doesn't mean that you can't find ones that aren't worth being around.
And just like people, if you can't find one you like being around, the problem is you not all of them.
Have you tried any other MMOS recently? What are you playing now? You feel ESO's questing system is bad?
Don't be ashamed, I have been around the block a long time and have played them all. ESO is the wrong game to be complaining about in terms of same old themepark cut and paste. Have you tried Arche Age? It is not doing well in Korea but it is being ported to North America and seems to have a good following and has sandboxy feel.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Inspiring! Its like listening to a latter-day Gandhi.
"I'm ashamed to call myself a gamer."
Then feel free to stop doing so, the gaming community would benefit if the chronic whiners who throw fits on forums while never taking the most logical approach of not throwing money hand over fist into the very thing they claim to hate, would stop associating themselves with those of us who have figured out how to funnel our money into something worthwhile.
Good post, it's all true, my suggestion for you is to move on. Let it go because otherwise you will spend a lot more time chasing the wind than you already have. The new generation will not have expectations that you and many others have. Stick to the same old or move onto something outside of gaming. Its ok to browse the forums and read gaming news, but dont waste anymore time chasing the wind.This is very true. There are plenty of gamers I do like. However, there are a lot of people out there buying any crap that developers will shovel their way, and praising them for utter mediocrity. Long as people keep buying crap, developers are going to keep selling crap. Not only did this game not bring anything new to the table, it got rid of the vast majority of things TES players would expect from it... It's like a Grand Theft Auto subscription MMO game where you're not allowed to steal cars, but you can buy one for $20 through the in-game cash shop.
What staple TES features is left out part from the "complete open World" wich is discussed over and over again ...and It's rather tiresome to listen to people that doesn't even play this game constantly whine about the same things over and over again,
I'm guessing we will never find out the complete reasons for why Zenimax developed their game this way , but it could be several..
1. The market for current MMO's is way lower in the sk sandbox genre, ea they simply thought they would make more Money making THEIR game this way.
2. Engine dificulties, they could not develop a good enough open World without cutting massive corners.
Im sure there are several more reasons that could be brought up..
My feel for ESO is that it's a very close adaption and It's clearly noticable where the inspiration to make this game comes from, and I think the majority of ESO fans actually are rather happy with this game.
It's a VERY good game in it's own right ..
So OP... You bleed for the title... Good for you.
You know what you remind me of. Zealots... So overconsumed by their chosen suffering that they no longer can stand that others do not look at everything their way.
That is a very sad state to be in, but you lost any sympathy when you called me a hamster...
This have been a good conversation
Fear not. It is highly unlikely you will ever be part of my gamer culture. We're passionate about games and gaming. We play what we find fun and don't play what isn't fun for us. For us, life is too short to cry over a game that didn't have feature X, especially when there are hundreds of other games we can go enjoy.
Anyway, I hope you find a game you enjoy in the future, and it is my sincerest wish that in your search no other games traumatize you as much as this one did. As for me, this gem is some deliciously irresistible bait, so I'm going to go play SolForge or something before I get myself in some serious trouble.
Game on!
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
My life for Aiur!!!
In the words of many, many, many, many, many, many people: "Haters gonna hate."
But in reality man, if you bought ESO or Wildstar, you deserve the burn. They both had Open Betas that were very, very, very close to their launch game. Should never have purchased it Sir!
I do agree with you on the game-crud thing though. Watch Game Theories why gamer's DON'T REALLY want innovation... Very saddening, but very, very, very, very true.
RAWR
"Forced into violent altercations on a daily basis"?
Trolling right?
That does explain a lot i guess....
This have been a good conversation
Don't worry, I didn't get burned by either of those games. I beta tested both, also. I actually had no problem with Wildstar, I thought it was very fun. Just not fun enough for me to pay a subscription for. Maybe if it was B2P I would get it.
I've seen that Game Theory video also, I've watched most of their videos by now probably. They're pretty entertaining. And that particular theory is very accurate.
En Taro Adun! There is no time to waste! We must join our brethren in battle!
There's much more features apart of the open world thing that people have pointed out, you just have to search. If you have played any elder scroll game you would know too.
You know what they say about people like ***. "A fool and his money are soon departed."
RAWR