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The impossible task
SEANMCAD
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I read a post which suggest that making ESO more like Skyrim would be an impossible task.
I want to refer specific items that would be easy and items that I personally think many ES fans would think are a standard requirement.
1. skill based, not class based. This is easy, not hard.
2. no factions...what?...player created factions....easy...not hard.
3. true open world...small team MMOs have done this....not imposible
4. make progress not dependent on questing....easy not hard. (I am assuming that progress in this game is much easier if you quest).
The implication that making ESO like an ES game is an impossible task is very frustrating to hear. indie developers with far less money have done it.
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I dont disagree that CHANGING it would be hard. The issue I have is they didnt have the insight to do it the easier way to BEGIN with. The conversation I was refering to wasnt about changing existing code
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It's great that we have people like you around.
Every game needs people that don't even play, only know about the game through proxy, yet have strong, continuing, (negative) opinions about it.
/clap
Please Note: I'm done arguing with unreasonable people with an agenda and/or those that fail to see logic.
Argue if you must, discount my post with anti-logic and/or Hyperbole. I won't be responding any longer.
me playing or not playing has nothing to do with my points nor makes them invalid. So far nobody has said anything to rebut my claims
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What if someone wants it more like Oblivion? Not all ES fans feel Skyrim was the epitome of ES design, some prefer earlier versions, so which way should they go?
Most of your idea have merit and are possible, but Zenimax has to weigh the costs of such redesigns versus the estimated return they would receive for spending the money. Apparently they don't see the value in it, so they're not going to do it.
The game has its fans as it is currently designed, to radically alienate them would be foolhardy, so many MMO's have done so to their core audience and lost it all. Designers such as CCP have stuck to their guns and EVE serves its niche well. Same for SWTOR, WOW and some others.
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I think on review of my points it is easy to see I could have said Morrowind or Oblivion.
The points I illustrate are related to the Elder Scrolls series. I regret using the word 'Skyrim' which appears to have caused you confusion.
additionally the conversation I was refering to was NOT ABOUT REDESIGN. It was about a company (Zenimax) who felt it wise to create a game as they did instead of having the insight to not f*ck it up to begin with/
The elder scrolls games are my favorite single player games ever. is my group being isolated?
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No one needs to provide a satisfactory (for you) rebuttal to your current post to change the facts either.
You're talking about changing the entire game out from under its fans. What's there to rebut or refute? That was sort of the point.
But you still got me to respond. I never learn.
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Argue if you must, discount my post with anti-logic and/or Hyperbole. I won't be responding any longer.
so you are not adding to the conversation just posting insults.
well thank you I am glad you understand and agree with my points
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This +1
But then some people just love to hate. They have no first hand experience with the game so they just parrot the negatives they've heard much of which is also from people who have no experience or a very limited amount (ie I played for 5 mins and uninstall etc etc).
No ESO is not perfect but then its always interesting when the armchair developers get involved in a game they haven't even tried
the bottom line here is either contrubute your views to the points I made or do not post and I can assume you agree with them.
If the only thing you can say is not related to the points I have illustrate then its safe to assume you agree with me becuase you cant think of anything to say to them
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Yeah.. . your OP is fairly pointless.. it will accomplish nothing other than another mmorpg arguement over semantics and what ifs... congrats on creating another flame war.
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The point is not everyone likes the same types of games you do.. therefore there is very little incentive to change the game if it were feasible.. nor is there any point in hashing out if they could have made it the way you desire.
We all know it could have been done.. but the real question is should it have been? And the answer to that.. no one knows.
I think the highly 'tell' here is that thus far only one person has addressed my observations.
My take away from that is that this community really doesnt have an answer to those points making them all the more valid.
I dont mind people enjoying this game, what I do mind is people thinking creating a game as many elder scrolls fans like is 'an impossible task' because its far from it
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if you were referring to a console game it would be much easier.. but everyone has their own preferences for mmo mechanics...(especially on this site).. no one ever gets anywhere by making it seem like their "list" is the holy grail of mmo mechanics... so it's debatable. it could have been easily done.. but i'm not sure that your changes would even improve the gameplay at all.
Here is the positive response that puts SEANMCAD in his place, becomes better for the game and addresses his points.
Whoever suggested that it is an impossible task to have created a game based more on ES mechanics was wrong, that said we enjoy the game as it is.
At that point I would have nothing constructive to say. Its an approach Zenimax might want to consider as well.
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The point that one of the other posters made to refute this is true.. everyone has different aspects of the IP that they like. The post about it being impossible is about that particular op's favorite aspects of ES. It would be no where close to impossible to implement yours.. but that would still leave ppl whose favorite aspects aren't the same as yours with a game that they don't approve of.. Satifying each and every person's personal preferences is impossible.
I agree with Sean.
The only thing that wasn't possible was Firors ability to do something he hasn't already done.
Without a common agreed upon list of what makes ES what it is... that is impossible to know.
the reason you're getting responses like this from most people is because every day threads like this pop up and people are just sick of everyone who doesnt play or like the game seeming to have a better way of doing things. There is a fan base playing this game that enjoy it for what it is and not trying to change every single aspect of it. If you want to influence development on a game you better go sign up for kickstarter and put your money where your mouth is and im sure you can influence a games dev team if you put enough money where your mouth is.
I play ESO myself and wildstar to and enjoy both games the way they are currently. Sure I would love to see some new features and some quality of life changes in both games but you are acting like ESO is terrible because its not a sandbox that YOU want to play. Some of us old school DAOC vets enjoy the factions because their pvp system in eso is by far the best out here currently on the market, that is unless you love full loot pvp or something similar which you have darkfall and mortal for that.
BTW go look at how well shadowbane did, it describes most of your points. Open world you create your own factions and have pvp where you want it. It flopped and tanked hardcore and was one of the first games to go free to play then close right up.
it doesnt matter if the features are loved or not.
The point I am making is that ITS NOT AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK.
it appears this community (and likely Zenimax) are hell bent on suggesting that these feature which exist today in more than one MMO is an 'impossible task'. That position alone has created more negitivity toward this community and zenimax then any other as far as I am concerned.
all that needs to be said and understood is 'yes its not an impossible task or even really that hard, but this is the design we want'
fucking simple as that
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Please don't put words in my mouth.. I have in almost every post agreed that it was possible to have created the game that you want.. I just said that it is doubtful how many ppl would also want it.
as of right now.. you are the one being negative.
I think the issue that some of us have is not how the game is designed and not that people like it.
but its the statements that its 'an impossible task'. that statement alone is what gets me feeling I HAVE to set the record straight
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You aren't setting anything straight.. You can't force people to agree with you.
I am sorry can you post and put it in bold where you said that it was not an impossible task or agree with my points
thanks
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thus far nobody has disagreed with me either, they just resort to personal attacks because I made the point that I have played MMOs with these features
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i dont think anyone is going to disagree with you entirely, what you say is a concept most will enjoy or at least try out. But the way you are saying it is implying it to a game that is already released and obviously already cost millions of dollars to make it how it is now. The only hope you can really have of what you want in a ES game now is if they make a new ES game or the fallout mmo if they ever do make that. Games can be made any way you want them to be made, what you describe is basically what all the survival horror games are doing now like day z rust 7 days to die etc. Its not impossible you are right but its also not feasable for ESO to go this route when they already have a concrete game setup and designed.
Also part of what made skyrim and oblivion great, even morrowind was the community modding the games. You basically had a mod for anything you liked in a game especially skyrim. I wont even touch skyrim vanilla anymore without survival mods and gameplay mods that turn it into a hardcore survival game that you struggle to survive in like hypothermia camping thirst disease starvation etc. Thats what really made those games great is the community creations.