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NCsoft earnings for 1q 2014... not looking pretty...

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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,441
    SWTOR is part of the 405 million from subscriptions and that figure does not include the micro transactions.
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  • PurutzilPurutzil Member UncommonPosts: 3,048
    What your saying is just as valid of a point against GW2 as those who claim its earnings raised. Aka, not much at all. While i do think GW2 numbers likely have dropped (megaservers acting upon a long standing issue with its numbers), its not the end of the world. There are more games then GW2 on their roster.  They haven't released any new MMOs in a bit (wildstar still pending) so their numbers are very likely to drop a bit.
  • TbauTbau Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 401
    Originally posted by cheyane
    SWTOR is part of the 405 million and that figure does not include the micro transactions.

    Which is a tactic they always do to hide when something isn't doing as good as investors expect it to be. Last year they combined SWTOR with 2 FIFA games and all digital content sales and one of those FIFA games was the #1 seller of DLC content in gaming. This is something EA did not do for SWTOR in the first quarter of its released because the sales + subs were impressive.

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by Loke666

    You can't expect B2P games to get in as much after 2 years as at launch without an expansion.... It is still a pretty impressive number.

    The China launch will bring in some dough but it still tells us it is time for an expansion soon.

    I havent yet met  a person who doesnt want exapnsion :)

    Maybe its just their evil tactic to get more juices flowing ;P

    But all aside, they launched in China and i have a feeling there might be a surprise soon, they have been awfully silent lately ;)

  • PemminPemmin Member UncommonPosts: 623
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by korent1991
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by cheyane
    SWTOR is 2nd not GW 2. Where can you show me that GW 2 is 2nd. Don't forget you have to minus the cost of the game and operating cost and SWTOR seems to come out ahead still.

    Offcial numbers wanted.

    This "SWTOR is second" without ANY backing up (instead constant silence from EA) is getting old.

    Let me let you in on a little secret: EA boasts with successful games, they dont try to shrug them under the rug.

    they're a public company. Their reports have been posted here a billion times.  You and others never having taken the time to look doesn't mean they didn't make them available. 

    So, you have official EA data on SWTOR.

    Come on, share with the rest of the world.

    http://investor.ea.com/results.cfm

    And?=

    To cut teh crap: what was SWTORs revenue in Q4?

    As I can see it they made 405 million $ in 12 months only from subscriptions (which include SWTOR, BF premium, EA sports season tickets and pogo.com).  Now I just glanced trough the numbers, but I can't find anything there which shows revenue for each title.

    Of course you cant, EA has always hidden SWTORs numbers. Surely not because theyre good, they dont have a problem with boasting, as you can see in their financial report :)

    "Since it was induced in November, we've added more than 1.7 million new players on the free model to the service," Gibeau said. "And the number of subscriptions has stabilized at just under half a million."

    taken from an earnings call with the president of EA in Q3 of 2013

    http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/7/4309866/star-wars-the-old-republic-revenue-doubled-free-to-play

    so ball parking its  >450k subs + 144 million in micro transactions for the year

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by cheyane
    SWTOR is part of the 405 million from subscriptions and that figure does not include the micro transactions.

    Still waiting:

    how much money has SWTOR "raked in" (as some like to put it) in last quarter?

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,441

    SWTOR is not making money off the subs not much anyway.I think the micro transaction is where they are making .Due to the model that GW 2 uses it has a lot less ability to make money off the micro transaction. It is doing well but no where close to what SWTOR is making off its model.

     

    I am not saying GW 2 is doing badly it is just not making as much off the micro as that superdata shows clearly.

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  • caetftlcaetftl Member Posts: 358

    Stil a lot of hypocrisy going on here... people trying to point out that EA obscures their information...

     

    Do you guys remember when the chinese publisher for gw2 intentionally obscured gw2 stats and tried to make 2.5million total logins per week into 2.5 million unique players per week?

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by cheyane
    SWTOR is not making money off the subs not much anyway.I think the micro transaction is where they are making .Die to the model that GW 2 uses it has a lot less ability to make money off the micro transaction. It is doing well but no where close to what SWTOR is making off its model.

    Really?

    Come on, share with the rest of the world:

    How much money has SWTOR "raked in" in last quarter?

    This is getting pointless really.

    Do you have official number or not?

    Answer to finish it once and for all.

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,441
    Superdata is credible whether you accept it or not
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  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by Loke666

    You can't expect B2P games to get in as much after 2 years as at launch without an expansion.... It is still a pretty impressive number.

    The China launch will bring in some dough but it still tells us it is time for an expansion soon.

    I havent yet met  a person who doesnt want exapnsion :)

    Maybe its just their evil tactic to get more juices flowing ;P

    But all aside, they launched in China and i have a feeling there might be a surprise soon, they have been awfully silent lately ;)

    They know it as well, any MMO needs an expansion after about this time and B2P MMOs needs to get in some more box sales. An expansion also tends to bring back old players and bring in new as well.

  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

    How is it the number two game in the west? Not that I am a SWTOR fan, but SWTOR made more revenue off microtransactions than GW2 made. It made just shy of 140 million, and that didn't include subscriptions. 

    Please post official EA data on SWTOR earnings.

    SWTOR didnt make fraction of that.

    Bioware, in an article/interview on this very site a few months back, stated that they were second place in the west behind WoW.

    Im not saying GW2 isnt doing well, but SWTOR, regardless on how you view it, has more active players.

  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by Loke666

    You can't expect B2P games to get in as much after 2 years as at launch without an expansion.... It is still a pretty impressive number.

    The China launch will bring in some dough but it still tells us it is time for an expansion soon.

    I havent yet met  a person who doesnt want exapnsion :)

    Maybe its just their evil tactic to get more juices flowing ;P

    But all aside, they launched in China and i have a feeling there might be a surprise soon, they have been awfully silent lately ;)

    well then meet you first one.

     

    serious I don't know why you guys are so adamnat about having a paid expansion, as long they keep sending contents like they always do, and making we have things to do in game not only W3 and guild events. also if you guys want to give then more money for tehy work, buy more gems and be done with it.

     

    also its nice someone finally is not trying to milk a game, and a pretty good one.

    FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by cheyane
    Superdata is credible whether you accept it or not

    Yes and Santa is real. Wheter you accept it or not.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by caetftl

    Stil a lot of hypocrisy going on here... people trying to point out that EA obscures their information...

    Do you guys remember when the chinese publisher for gw2 intentionally obscured gw2 stats and tried to make 2.5million total logins per week into 2.5 million unique players per week?

    To both: Whatever. Never trust a guy in marketing no matter which company he works for.

    I have to admit that i have no clue how TOR is doing since it went F2P but the game is still up and that is good.

    If I wish for a EA product to die it is Origin, that crap makes Steam seems like a masterpiece.

  • TbauTbau Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 401
    Originally posted by caetftl

    Stil a lot of hypocrisy going on here... people trying to point out that EA obscures their information...

     

    Do you guys remember when the chinese publisher for gw2 intentionally obscured gw2 stats and tried to make 2.5million total logins per week into 2.5 million unique players per week?

    You mean like the hypocrisy of comparing a company obscuring logins to a company obscuring revenue in a topic you yourself created about revenue directly from the company where they are not doing it?

     

    yeah...mad mad desperation. Did GW2 get you pregnant and leave you or something? Cause it seems like you have some sort of personal vendetta.

  • nastyjmannastyjman Member Posts: 161
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by caetftl

     

    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Tbau

    that would be because I didn't say that. mad mad desperation.

    The revenue amounts to the amount of subs I listed, plain and simple and its an amount most companies would jump at with a game with no subscription options.

    Which companies are those?  That's only revenue we are talking about, not even profit... There are a ton of nonsub games on the net making a lot more than gw2 is...

    mad mad desperation......

    1000000000000000000000000000 companies can be making more money, it doesn't mean a thing. The number is HIGH.

    Profit doesn't matter, the revenue is high and thus the profit will be high.


    I think you just made it plainly evident how well you understand business.... You might have some insane revenue... but if your operating cost is also high your profit may not be high. 

    Says the person that thinks 100million a year is a low number for a game already released and low operational costs and also loves to believe what EA says about SWTOR revenue even though they combine it with other games to hide the numbers.

    BTW, EVE has around 500k subscribers placing it around GW2s revenue. Doh!

    Eve sells the game itself on top of that too though, DOH! 

     

    100million in revenue is not high annually for an MMORPG in today's world... Also where is your evidence that they have low operating costs? 

    EvE is still alive and kicking even with the 21 million loss in 2013.

    Granted that the cause of their loss was scrapping World of Darkness, CCP's average yearly revenue is 6.29 million USD (source: https://www.ccpgames.com/media/47002/ccp%202012%20consolidated%20financial%20statements.pdf , Page 5, average of 2010, 2011 and 2012). It could have been 8 million in 2013 if they had not scrapped WoD.

    EvE's 2013 revenue was 74 million. Are you saying that they'll be kaput since it doesn't meet the 100 million revenue requirement you presupposed?

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

    How is it the number two game in the west? Not that I am a SWTOR fan, but SWTOR made more revenue off microtransactions than GW2 made. It made just shy of 140 million, and that didn't include subscriptions. 

    Please post official EA data on SWTOR earnings.

    SWTOR didnt make fraction of that.

    Bioware, in an article/interview on this very site a few months back, stated that they were second place in the west behind WoW.

    Im not saying GW2 isnt doing well, but SWTOR, regardless on how you view it, has more active players.

    So you have offcial EA data on SWTOR.

    Please, feel free to share with rest of the world.

    What they said in interview/article? rofl, they can say anything they want in that. Unfortunaly you will have to back it up with OFFCIAL EA numbers.

  • korent1991korent1991 Member UncommonPosts: 1,364
    Originally posted by caetftl

    Stil a lot of hypocrisy going on here... people trying to point out that EA obscures their information...

     

    Do you guys remember when the chinese publisher for gw2 intentionally obscured gw2 stats and tried to make 2.5million total logins per week into 2.5 million unique players per week?

    don't remember that, where was that?

    I only remember when they had some peak of concurrent players logged in and tweeted about it (somewhere at launch). It was massive number but I don't recall how much it was tho so I'm not gonna type a random number just for the sake of it :D

    Interested to see that one, can you digg it up if you remember where that was published ?

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  • caetftlcaetftl Member Posts: 358
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by caetftl

    Stil a lot of hypocrisy going on here... people trying to point out that EA obscures their information...

     

    Do you guys remember when the chinese publisher for gw2 intentionally obscured gw2 stats and tried to make 2.5million total logins per week into 2.5 million unique players per week?

    You mean like the hypocrisy of comparing a company obscuring logins to a company obscuring revenue in a topic you yourself created about revenue directly from the company where they are not doing it?

     

    yeah...mad mad desperation. Did GW2 get you pregnant and leave you or something? Cause it seems like you have some sort of personal vendetta.

    I wish ncsoft showed how much profit gw2 was making... I wish it wasn't obscured...

     

     

  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

    How is it the number two game in the west? Not that I am a SWTOR fan, but SWTOR made more revenue off microtransactions than GW2 made. It made just shy of 140 million, and that didn't include subscriptions. 

    Please post official EA data on SWTOR earnings.

    SWTOR didnt make fraction of that.

    Bioware, in an article/interview on this very site a few months back, stated that they were second place in the west behind WoW.

    Im not saying GW2 isnt doing well, but SWTOR, regardless on how you view it, has more active players.

    So you have offcial EA data on SWTOR.

    Please, feel free to share with rest of the world.

    What they said in interview/article? rofl, they can say anything they want in that. Unfortunaly you will have to back it up with OFFCIAL EA numbers.

    Here is the thing.....random poster on mmorpg.com says out of nowhere that GW2 is second in the west......I point out that Bioware actually made that claim for SWTOR not too long ago, (keep in mind, NCSoft has not mentioned anything of the sort for GW2)....yet the burden of proof is on ME?

    Got it ;)

  • TbauTbau Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 401
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by caetftl

    Stil a lot of hypocrisy going on here... people trying to point out that EA obscures their information...

     

    Do you guys remember when the chinese publisher for gw2 intentionally obscured gw2 stats and tried to make 2.5million total logins per week into 2.5 million unique players per week?

    You mean like the hypocrisy of comparing a company obscuring logins to a company obscuring revenue in a topic you yourself created about revenue directly from the company where they are not doing it?

     

    yeah...mad mad desperation. Did GW2 get you pregnant and leave you or something? Cause it seems like you have some sort of personal vendetta.

    I wish ncsoft showed how much profit gw2 was making... I wish it wasn't obscured...

     

     

    Ahh, so since you got caught with "revenue" you are now going to inject "profit" to replace it. (that's right, EA doesn't give profit either, just revenue like every other company).

    Keep on backpeddling, soon you will be so far back we wont have to put up with your posts for a few days due to your having such a long ride back to your keyboard.

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by alkarionlog
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by Loke666

    You can't expect B2P games to get in as much after 2 years as at launch without an expansion.... It is still a pretty impressive number.

    The China launch will bring in some dough but it still tells us it is time for an expansion soon.

    I havent yet met  a person who doesnt want exapnsion :)

    Maybe its just their evil tactic to get more juices flowing ;P

    But all aside, they launched in China and i have a feeling there might be a surprise soon, they have been awfully silent lately ;)

    well then meet you first one.

     

    serious I don't know why you guys are so adamnat about having a paid expansion, as long they keep sending contents like they always do, and making we have things to do in game not only W3 and guild events. also if you guys want to give then more money for tehy work, buy more gems and be done with it.

     

    also its nice someone finally is not trying to milk a game, and a pretty good one.

    Damn you party breaker!

    But, theres so many people willing to buy it ;P

    I gave them some money, not nearly as much as sub would be, now that people made me compare what i got in other games for sub (been in MMOs for 12-ish years) i feel a little guilty ;P So i would easily part with money for expansion, no sweat ;) (along with whatever i put in along the way)

  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by caetftl

    Stil a lot of hypocrisy going on here... people trying to point out that EA obscures their information...

     

    Do you guys remember when the chinese publisher for gw2 intentionally obscured gw2 stats and tried to make 2.5million total logins per week into 2.5 million unique players per week?

    You mean like the hypocrisy of comparing a company obscuring logins to a company obscuring revenue in a topic you yourself created about revenue directly from the company where they are not doing it?

     

    yeah...mad mad desperation. Did GW2 get you pregnant and leave you or something? Cause it seems like you have some sort of personal vendetta.

    I wish ncsoft showed how much profit gw2 was making... I wish it wasn't obscured...

     

     

    why? serious why you guys care so much about how much a game is getting from his players? are you a investor? williung to buy some NCSoft stocks or something?

    thing is who like the game will play the damn game, and unless they close the whole game down it will have people and I never did even remember someone saying about a server merger on GW2, so I can guess it have enough players around, and I can guess they can make more they have to spend.

     

    so tell me serious, you can even pm me to tell the truth, WHY the HELL you care so much on how much a game is making:

    FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.
  • TbauTbau Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 401
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Malabooga

    So you have offcial EA data on SWTOR.

    Please, feel free to share with rest of the world.

    What they said in interview/article? rofl, they can say anything they want in that. Unfortunaly you will have to back it up with OFFCIAL EA numbers.

    Here is the thing.....random poster on mmorpg.com says out of nowhere that GW2 is second in the west......I point out that Bioware actually made that claim for SWTOR not too long ago, (keep in mind, NCSoft has not mentioned anything of the sort for GW2)....yet the burden of proof is on ME?

    Got it ;)

    I suggest you read a few posts up, its been proven with a link with the CEOs statements that SWTOR is under 500k subs and that the revenue report bundles SWTOR with other games as well as Pogo.com which is an extremely popular sub based site.

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