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NCsoft earnings for 1q 2014... not looking pretty...

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  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

    How is it the number two game in the west? Not that I am a SWTOR fan, but SWTOR made more revenue off microtransactions than GW2 made. It made just shy of 140 million, and that didn't include subscriptions. 

    Please post official EA data on SWTOR earnings.

    SWTOR didnt make fraction of that.

    It was in a report by SuperData that was reported widely across the net. Feel free to use google and find it. While you are at it, show me where anyone states that GW2 still has more than 500K people playing. Oh that's right, you can't.......

     

    Sorry, but can you show where it doesn't have more than 500k people playing?

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • BeelzebobbieBeelzebobbie Member UncommonPosts: 430
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

    How is it the number two game in the west? Not that I am a SWTOR fan, but SWTOR made more revenue off microtransactions than GW2 made. It made just shy of 140 million, and that didn't include subscriptions. 

    Please post official EA data on SWTOR earnings.

    SWTOR didnt make fraction of that.

    It was in a report by SuperData that was reported widely across the net. Feel free to use google and find it. While you are at it, show me where anyone states that GW2 still has more than 500K people playing. Oh that's right, you can't.......

     

    well show me one that says otherwise then.

  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Member UncommonPosts: 884
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

    How is it the number two game in the west? Not that I am a SWTOR fan, but SWTOR made more revenue off microtransactions than GW2 made. It made just shy of 140 million, and that didn't include subscriptions. 

    Please post official EA data on SWTOR earnings.

    SWTOR didnt make fraction of that.

    It was in a report by SuperData that was reported widely across the net. Feel free to use google and find it. While you are at it, show me where anyone states that GW2 still has more than 500K people playing. Oh that's right, you can't.......

     

    Oh, so you have NOTHING.

    thnak you.

    I did. I told you exactly how to find it. Of course you dismiss it while you make wild, baseless claims. You are the one with nothing.

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-01-20-league-of-legends-2013-revenue-topped-USD600m-report

    There is one. You can find that same report on numerous gaming news sites. 

    James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?

  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Member UncommonPosts: 884
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

    How is it the number two game in the west? Not that I am a SWTOR fan, but SWTOR made more revenue off microtransactions than GW2 made. It made just shy of 140 million, and that didn't include subscriptions. 

    Please post official EA data on SWTOR earnings.

    SWTOR didnt make fraction of that.

    It was in a report by SuperData that was reported widely across the net. Feel free to use google and find it. While you are at it, show me where anyone states that GW2 still has more than 500K people playing. Oh that's right, you can't.......

     

    Sorry, but can you show where it doesn't have more than 500k people playing?

    I didn't make the claim. The burden of proof is on him. 

    James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?

  • xXStarstruckXxxXStarstruckXx Member Posts: 23
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

     

     

    Going strong?

    1. All pre mades have quit the game

    2. the quality is zone blob vs zone blob in WvW

    3. so the quality have been lowered everytime a guild leave the game peoples quit too because they like to follow their heroes.

    4. tons of pre maded guilds going to Wildstar, Camelot unchained, everquest next= other realm v realm lose peoples

    5. the 4th already happening peoples left will be PVE and gw2 is a very easy PVE game so peoples will quit it eventually while in other game such as WoW peoples play pve for many many years 5+....

    6. A game that is not even finished and show no future for WvW(realm v realm) do you actually think peoples will stay when Wildstar, Camelot, everquest will have better WvW(realm v realm)? the game is dead in 6 months.

     

     

    and you can't do a gw2 vs eve online because Eve online is focusing on QUALITY they don't care about numbers for them 30k good players are better than 200k BAD PLAYERS.

    they can continue be in business for another 10+ years while a game like gw2 with guilds leaving them servers going empty of WvW etc and they haft to pump things into the pve to continue survive.... fucked up :D

  • heider89heider89 Member UncommonPosts: 159
     

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

    How is it the number two game in the west? Not that I am a SWTOR fan, but SWTOR made more revenue off microtransactions than GW2 made. It made just shy of 140 million, and that didn't include subscriptions. 

    Please post official EA data on SWTOR earnings.

    SWTOR didnt make fraction of that.

    It was in a report by SuperData that was reported widely across the net. Feel free to use google and find it. While you are at it, show me where anyone states that GW2 still has more than 500K people playing. Oh that's right, you can't.......

     

    Oh, so you have NOTHING.

    thnak you.

    I did. I told you exactly how to find it. Of course you dismiss it while you make wild, baseless claims. You are the one with nothing.

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-01-20-league-of-legends-2013-revenue-topped-USD600m-report

    There is one. You can find that same report on numerous gaming news sites. 

    this is true :)

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

    How is it the number two game in the west? Not that I am a SWTOR fan, but SWTOR made more revenue off microtransactions than GW2 made. It made just shy of 140 million, and that didn't include subscriptions. 

    Please post official EA data on SWTOR earnings.

    SWTOR didnt make fraction of that.

    It was in a report by SuperData that was reported widely across the net. Feel free to use google and find it. While you are at it, show me where anyone states that GW2 still has more than 500K people playing. Oh that's right, you can't.......

     

    Oh, so you have NOTHING.

    thnak you.

    I did. I told you exactly how to find it. Of course you dismiss it while you make wild, baseless claims. You are the one with nothing.

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-01-20-league-of-legends-2013-revenue-topped-USD600m-report

    There is one. You can find that same report on numerous gaming news sites. 

    And? Where arfe official EA numbers? Where? Post a link to official EA report on SWTOR.

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

    How is it the number two game in the west? Not that I am a SWTOR fan, but SWTOR made more revenue off microtransactions than GW2 made. It made just shy of 140 million, and that didn't include subscriptions. 

    Please post official EA data on SWTOR earnings.

    SWTOR didnt make fraction of that.

    It was in a report by SuperData that was reported widely across the net. Feel free to use google and find it. While you are at it, show me where anyone states that GW2 still has more than 500K people playing. Oh that's right, you can't.......

     

    Sorry, but can you show where it doesn't have more than 500k people playing?

    I didn't make the claim. The burden of proof is on him. 

    ROFL

    you have OFFICIAL NCSoft financila report and you still dribble some nonsense.

    You crack me up.

    OK. Ill bite, here it is: follow the link in the first post of this thread since it seems you have missed it lol

  • TbauTbau Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 401
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by korent1991
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

    Oh noes it dropped from the XMAS quarter to the First Quarter.

    $24.5M pretty respectable.

    It also dropped to a much lower point than it was at in 1q last year... not a good sign at all... at this rate it will be at an all time low next quarter...

     

    Originally posted by Celcius
    Originally posted by caetftl

    http://global.ncsoft.com/global/ir/earnings.aspx

    Another massive drop (~25%) in revenue compared to 4q.... I wonder if that's why GW2 has been on sale so much lately and if that's why they did the whole megaserver thing...

    WoW did cross realm servers. It must be dying. 

     

    Seriously though, those numbers are down from the holiday quarter, which were up from the previous quarter iirc. Either way, revenue has been hovering around the same % for a long time now and is only going to increase substantially with the China release. 

     

    WoW has actually been in decline overall for many years.. which is why they added cross realm servers.. so you made a very good point...

     

    It spikes for a holiday quarter and you take it at the second coming of grenth... it drops an alarming amount (one of the biggest declines when put into context) and you make an excuse...

     

    It also hasn't been hovering around the same % for a long time now... 4q was actually the only quarter it had shown growth for since the game came out... it had been in steady decline before that, and has quickly gotten back to it's second lowest point all time... it basically almost completely wiped out the holiday growth... and did it all in 1 quarter... that isn't good.

    And they still have enough to push out new games like Wildstar and GW2 in China.

    So it's not bad at all, I'd say it's quite the opposite.

    Also why they did megaservers on GW2 is the result of people complaining how mid-lvl zones are almost empty. With "megaservers" (which aren't really megaservers like ESO or any of the other crap) they made zones merge together so now they get filled up with people again to make the world feel diverse and alive again in every zone.

    Also you can't expect a B2P game racking up on sales after 2 years, main source of income for it now is the cash shop.

    Yes NCsoft has enough to make more games?  That doesn't mean GW2 isn't in decline?  GW2 was never going to make or break ncsoft, they have much more popular games out there...

     

    They did the megaservers because there weren't enough players populating the world...

     

    You actually can expect a B2P game to be racking up on sales after 2 years... games like LoL are doing it just fine... It's really a matter of whether you have enough people playing the game to make it work...

     

    Originally posted by Tbau

    1st quarter last year had the game releasing in a new region so had  a sales spike.

    24.5 million places it at a pace of 100 million for the year.

    That's equal to having 555,555 people subscribing for 12 months at $15 a month. That's damn good for a game with no subscription options and places it far above some of the best MMOs in history, UO, EQ1, DaoC, SWG...none had that many subscribers at one time.

    So let me get this straight... you are making excuses for this quarters performance... by retroactively downplaying last year 1q?

    Also you are comparing gw2 numbers to games that are 10- 15 years old and came out before WoW ballooned the market numbers...

     

    No, I am pointing out that the game was released into a new market at that time so of course the numbers would be higher and pointing out that the earnings is going to equal what its going to equal places it ahead of the majority of MMORPGs ever released.

     

    So, you need to compare it to WoW to make it look bad.......

     

    The real question is, how are they managing to make as much money as a game with 555k subscribers after all this time?

     

    See, even I can make better arguments against the game than you because you don't know how to form an argument around something with real substance.

  • AlverantAlverant Member RarePosts: 1,355

    Well if they didn't cancel CoH they'd still have all those subscribers giving them money.

     

    I'm starting to have doubts about the longevity of W*.

  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Member UncommonPosts: 884
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

    How is it the number two game in the west? Not that I am a SWTOR fan, but SWTOR made more revenue off microtransactions than GW2 made. It made just shy of 140 million, and that didn't include subscriptions. 

    Please post official EA data on SWTOR earnings.

    SWTOR didnt make fraction of that.

    It was in a report by SuperData that was reported widely across the net. Feel free to use google and find it. While you are at it, show me where anyone states that GW2 still has more than 500K people playing. Oh that's right, you can't.......

     

    Sorry, but can you show where it doesn't have more than 500k people playing?

    I didn't make the claim. The burden of proof is on him. 

    ROFL

    you have OFFICIAL NCSoft financila report and you still dribble some nonsense.

    You crack me up.

    OK. Ill bite, here it is: follow the link in the first post of this thread since it seems you have missed it lol

    You have no proof that it is the second largest MMO. The financial report does not specify that. Your claim is baseless, just like I said. You are making stuff up. Thanks for proving my point. 

    James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by xXStarstruckXx
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

     

     

    Going strong?

    1. All pre mades have quit the game

    2. the quality is zone blob vs zone blob in WvW

    3. so the quality have been lowered everytime a guild leave the game peoples quit too because they like to follow their heroes.

    4. tons of pre maded guilds going to Wildstar, Camelot unchained, everquest next= other realm v realm lose peoples

    5. the 4th already happening peoples left will be PVE and gw2 is a very easy PVE game so peoples will quit it eventually while in other game such as WoW peoples play pve for many many years 5+....

    6. A game that is not even finished and show no future for WvW(realm v realm) do you actually think peoples will stay when Wildstar, Camelot, everquest will have better WvW(realm v realm)? the game is dead in 6 months.

     

     

    and you can't do a gw2 vs eve online because Eve online is focusing on QUALITY they don't care about numbers for them 30k good players are better than 200k BAD PLAYERS.

    they can continue be in business for another 10+ years while a game like gw2 with guilds leaving them servers going empty of WvW etc and they haft to pump things into the pve to continue survive.... fucked up :D

    The game has had long enough to balance out and those that are here are the loyal fans. Even if new games come out it won't effect the population that dramatically. Guilds aren't that much to be concerned about because the huge guilds that were made pre-release that fell apart did that long ago. On top of that, new guilds are being made all the time. 

    So yes, the game is still going strong. :)

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by xXStarstruckXx
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

     

     

    Going strong?

    1. All pre mades have quit the game

    2. the quality is zone blob vs zone blob in WvW

    3. so the quality have been lowered everytime a guild leave the game peoples quit too because they like to follow their heroes.

    4. tons of pre maded guilds going to Wildstar, Camelot unchained, everquest next= other realm v realm lose peoples

    5. the 4th already happening peoples left will be PVE and gw2 is a very easy PVE game so peoples will quit it eventually while in other game such as WoW peoples play pve for many many years 5+....

    6. A game that is not even finished and show no future for WvW(realm v realm) do you actually think peoples will stay when Wildstar, Camelot, everquest will have better WvW(realm v realm)? the game is dead in 6 months.

     

     

    and you can't do a gw2 vs eve online because Eve online is focusing on QUALITY they don't care about numbers for them 30k good players are better than 200k BAD PLAYERS.

    they can continue be in business for another 10+ years while a game like gw2 with guilds leaving them servers going empty of WvW etc and they haft to pump things into the pve to continue survive.... fucked up :D

    Thanks heavens you left the game (did you)

    You "leets" are better off somewhere else, i thought you left 1 and a half years ago. Eaither its a never ending soap opera with this mythical "leet" guilds that somehow are in constant leaving, or its just moar drama queens.

    WvWvW community is bustling. You are not a big factor. Never were never will be.

  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Member UncommonPosts: 884
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by korent1991
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

    Oh noes it dropped from the XMAS quarter to the First Quarter.

    $24.5M pretty respectable.

    It also dropped to a much lower point than it was at in 1q last year... not a good sign at all... at this rate it will be at an all time low next quarter...

     

    Originally posted by Celcius
    Originally posted by caetftl

    http://global.ncsoft.com/global/ir/earnings.aspx

    Another massive drop (~25%) in revenue compared to 4q.... I wonder if that's why GW2 has been on sale so much lately and if that's why they did the whole megaserver thing...

    WoW did cross realm servers. It must be dying. 

     

    Seriously though, those numbers are down from the holiday quarter, which were up from the previous quarter iirc. Either way, revenue has been hovering around the same % for a long time now and is only going to increase substantially with the China release. 

     

    WoW has actually been in decline overall for many years.. which is why they added cross realm servers.. so you made a very good point...

     

    It spikes for a holiday quarter and you take it at the second coming of grenth... it drops an alarming amount (one of the biggest declines when put into context) and you make an excuse...

     

    It also hasn't been hovering around the same % for a long time now... 4q was actually the only quarter it had shown growth for since the game came out... it had been in steady decline before that, and has quickly gotten back to it's second lowest point all time... it basically almost completely wiped out the holiday growth... and did it all in 1 quarter... that isn't good.

    And they still have enough to push out new games like Wildstar and GW2 in China.

    So it's not bad at all, I'd say it's quite the opposite.

    Also why they did megaservers on GW2 is the result of people complaining how mid-lvl zones are almost empty. With "megaservers" (which aren't really megaservers like ESO or any of the other crap) they made zones merge together so now they get filled up with people again to make the world feel diverse and alive again in every zone.

    Also you can't expect a B2P game racking up on sales after 2 years, main source of income for it now is the cash shop.

    Yes NCsoft has enough to make more games?  That doesn't mean GW2 isn't in decline?  GW2 was never going to make or break ncsoft, they have much more popular games out there...

     

    They did the megaservers because there weren't enough players populating the world...

     

    You actually can expect a B2P game to be racking up on sales after 2 years... games like LoL are doing it just fine... It's really a matter of whether you have enough people playing the game to make it work...

     

    Originally posted by Tbau

    1st quarter last year had the game releasing in a new region so had  a sales spike.

    24.5 million places it at a pace of 100 million for the year.

    That's equal to having 555,555 people subscribing for 12 months at $15 a month. That's damn good for a game with no subscription options and places it far above some of the best MMOs in history, UO, EQ1, DaoC, SWG...none had that many subscribers at one time.

    So let me get this straight... you are making excuses for this quarters performance... by retroactively downplaying last year 1q?

    Also you are comparing gw2 numbers to games that are 10- 15 years old and came out before WoW ballooned the market numbers...

     

    No, I am pointing out that the game was released into a new market at that time so of course the numbers would be higher and pointing out that the earnings is going to equal what its going to equal places it ahead of the majority of MMORPGs ever released.

     

    So, you need to compare it to WoW to make it look bad.......

     

    The real question is, how are they managing to make as much money as a game with 555k subscribers after all this time?

     

    See, even I can make better arguments against the game than you because you don't know how to form an argument around something with real substance.

    Again you are comparing a total that has both box sales and microtransactions included to a total of subscriptions only. This is the same as comparing apples and oranges. You have no idea how much of the revenue was from box sales and how much is from microtransactions. If you wanted to do a proper comparison you would need that data. 

    James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?

  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 2,209
    When did acting like a doomsaying shareholder become a thing on forums? It's disgusting enough when actual shareholders do it, leading to all of our games being cash shop 2-man raid facebook games. 
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by redgang1
    Not surprising, they built GW2 with absolutely zero lasting power just like every other new MMO. Tack on lack of progression and the game will be a ghost town in no time.

    You are kinda 2 years too late m8. lol

    Still good to see GW2 going strong, it puts it No.2 game in the west (if EvE hasnt surpassed 550k subs by now)

    Nice news. Release in China will certainly spice things up, it might become No.1 NCSoft game which is no small feat since it holds one of the most successful MMOs that bow only to WoW.

    How is it the number two game in the west? Not that I am a SWTOR fan, but SWTOR made more revenue off microtransactions than GW2 made. It made just shy of 140 million, and that didn't include subscriptions. 

    Please post official EA data on SWTOR earnings.

    SWTOR didnt make fraction of that.

    It was in a report by SuperData that was reported widely across the net. Feel free to use google and find it. While you are at it, show me where anyone states that GW2 still has more than 500K people playing. Oh that's right, you can't.......

     

    Sorry, but can you show where it doesn't have more than 500k people playing?

    I didn't make the claim. The burden of proof is on him. 

    ROFL

    you have OFFICIAL NCSoft financila report and you still dribble some nonsense.

    You crack me up.

    OK. Ill bite, here it is: follow the link in the first post of this thread since it seems you have missed it lol

    You have no proof that it is the second largest MMO. The financial report does not specify that. Your claim is baseless, just like I said. You are making stuff up. Thanks for proving my point. 

    Oh yes it does specify EXACTLY that. Unless EvE ramped up the numbers its No.2 game in the west. Unless you show soem official numbers to claim differently (on any game you want) it stands unchallenged.

    Sorry bro, its just how it is.

  • Months later... And again same 3-4 people trying too prove that Gw2 has a low population and doing bad... Pathetic. Especially caetftl and stevebombsquad. In every threat about how bad Gw2 and its population bam! they're in it. You can cry as much as you want, that doesn't change Gw2's success and its growing, healthy population. This is just sad. Let it go and find a game that you can like. This is more than pathetic actually. This is something else that I can't even describe...

  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818
    Does this thread show more about NCSOFT and their games...or what happens when people get a hold of stats and put their own spin on what they mean.
  • caetftlcaetftl Member Posts: 358

    GW2 isn't going to do as well in china as some of you think... The NCSoft game that is doing amazingly in china is blade and soul with over 1.5million concurrent players at one point. 

  • TbauTbau Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 401
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad

    Again you are comparing a total that has both box sales and microtransactions included to a total of subscriptions only. This is the same as comparing apples and oranges. You have no idea how much of the revenue was from box sales and how much is from microtransactions. If you wanted to do a proper comparison you would need that data. 

    No, I took the amount of revenue to show how many subscribers it would have come from to give this thing you CANT use and toss out the window, perspective. Which is why you accuse me of not knowing where its coming from, as if you do, which you don't, so you cant argue the other side either!

     

    So yeah, if we leave out any and all perspective, the OP is correct...........then again, no he wouldn't be because its still making a lot of money for a crap game.

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Member Posts: 1,788
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

    Oh noes it dropped from the XMAS quarter to the First Quarter.

    $24.5M pretty respectable.

    It also dropped to a much lower point than it was at in 1q last year... not a good sign at all... at this rate it will be at an all time low next quarter...

    1st quarter last year had the game releasing in a new region so had  a sales spike.

    24.5 million places it at a pace of 100 million for the year.

    That's equal to having 555,555 people subscribing for 12 months at $15 a month. That's damn good for a game with no subscription options and places it far above some of the best MMOs in history, UO, EQ1, DaoC, SWG...none had that many subscribers at one time.

    That's actually not a very good number for an MMO.  Those other "best mmo's in history" you list, all existed before the market had enough people to support more than a fewt hundred thousand players.  GW2 is in todays market, where there are millions of potential players.

    So no, those numbers aren't very good.

    Its No.2 in the west. Beat all those huge IPs and 200-300 million $ MMOs. And all that as a B2P game. Somehow that isnt good enough? 

    And when China joins (well it joined but no numbers until next quarter ;P ) it will be quite a presence in MMOs, probably trumping even bastions like Lineage 1.

    Being in 2nd place doesn't mean a whole lot when you're still only 7% of what 1st place is doing.  That's why you can't just sit back and say, oh it's in 2nd place so that's pretty great!"

    Now I'm not not saying GW2 is bombing (or that NCSoft is).  Just that the numbers its posting aren't really anything special.  They are very average for an MMO.

    You make me like charity

  • TbauTbau Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 401
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Malabooga

    Its No.2 in the west. Beat all those huge IPs and 200-300 million $ MMOs. And all that as a B2P game. Somehow that isnt good enough? 

    And when China joins (well it joined but no numbers until next quarter ;P ) it will be quite a presence in MMOs, probably trumping even bastions like Lineage 1.

    Being in 2nd place doesn't mean a whole lot when you're still only 7% of what 1st place is doing.  That's why you can't just sit back and say, oh it's in 2nd place so that's pretty great!"

    Now I'm not not saying GW2 is bombing (or that NCSoft is).  Just that the numbers its posting aren't really anything special.  They are very average for an MMO.

    Then it means that EVERY MMO is doing bad and so things are looking fine for GW2 and so the OP is still wrong.

     

    The revenue still adds up to what would be 555k subs which is nothing short of amazing for a game with no sub option.

  • caetftlcaetftl Member Posts: 358
    Originally posted by Sukiyaki

    Oh no! B2P games makes slightly less money over quarter! Proof the server are all dead, GW2 is struggling and megaserver are just for dead server. Irregardless of the fact the server could all be full even if sales dropped to zero and megaserver deal with zone population, not server population.

    But hey here we have the same candidates, the same selfproclaimed "objective factual truth seeker", pulling up exactly same conjecture and assumptions and trying to sell the same random estimates and "personal" made up "impressions of server population" and highly subjective (re)"interpretation" of some developer commentary as "facts" from 3 months ago, just like as if not exactly the same claims and proclamations had been argued, debated and debunked in an identical topic with the exact same unconvincible candidates before.

    Are we going to discuss the "now suddenly Chinese are real player" strawman too?

    Maybe if you stopped talking in hyperbole people could take you a bit more seriously?

     

    GW2 had 10-20% decline in revenue every quarter after initial launch died down except 4q13, after that it had 25% decline again... that's not a good thing. 

  • eye_meye_m Member UncommonPosts: 3,317

    OP, how bad does the hurt have to be to consistently try to spread bad feelings about a game?  

     

    I would be very satisfied with a multimillion dollar net income from a project that I could be happy I produced just simply for the quality of game, rather than over charging for some piece of crap game, by taking advantage of all the people that actually think P2P offers better gameplay. I would be happy to have a clear conscience and decent profit, instead of being a rich prick because of preying on the misguided loyalties of the subscription fanbase.  That is just my opinion of course, but when it comes down to it, the games that indicate the developers share the same morals as me will be the ones that get my dollar. So if NCsoft made a modest profit because of not stealing monthly subscription fees for the players of GW2, than I applaud their sacrifice, and I will continue to be a proud supporter of their titles in the future.

     

     

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

    I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

    Oh noes it dropped from the XMAS quarter to the First Quarter.

    $24.5M pretty respectable.

    It also dropped to a much lower point than it was at in 1q last year... not a good sign at all... at this rate it will be at an all time low next quarter...

    1st quarter last year had the game releasing in a new region so had  a sales spike.

    24.5 million places it at a pace of 100 million for the year.

    That's equal to having 555,555 people subscribing for 12 months at $15 a month. That's damn good for a game with no subscription options and places it far above some of the best MMOs in history, UO, EQ1, DaoC, SWG...none had that many subscribers at one time.

    That's actually not a very good number for an MMO.  Those other "best mmo's in history" you list, all existed before the market had enough people to support more than a fewt hundred thousand players.  GW2 is in todays market, where there are millions of potential players.

    So no, those numbers aren't very good.

    Its No.2 in the west. Beat all those huge IPs and 200-300 million $ MMOs. And all that as a B2P game. Somehow that isnt good enough? 

    And when China joins (well it joined but no numbers until next quarter ;P ) it will be quite a presence in MMOs, probably trumping even bastions like Lineage 1.

    Being in 2nd place doesn't mean a whole lot when you're still only 7% of what 1st place is doing.  That's why you can't just sit back and say, oh it's in 2nd place so that's pretty great!"

    Now I'm not not saying GW2 is bombing (or that NCSoft is).  Just that the numbers its posting aren't really anything special.  They are very average for an MMO.

    You know exactly how WoW is doing in the west?

    Please be my guest and post the numbers.

    And yeah, being No.2 is quite an achievement when you look what else is left behind.

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