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  • ace5572ace5572 Member Posts: 113
    Originally posted by Majinash

    WoW, really? I held off and the post right after me proves Godwin's Law.

    Because a guy said "i dont care because the sociopaths aren't looking at me". And i used a quote speaking to the dangers of that kind of thinking you think Godwin's Law applies here? Give me a break.

  • coltraskcoltrask Member Posts: 11
    That is exactly his point, it is the internet, where this happens, or Xbox Live, or PSN.  That is his point exactly.  Until we are no longer anonymous on the internet, it will be this way.  Does it suck?  You bet it does.  No argument here, and I wish these people who say such things would realize how wrong they are.  But the arguments that the internet, and especially EVE are this way stands as fact.  Don't get me wrong, EVE has some of the worst, it's true.  But the insults and labeling an entire community makes many of these posts just as guilty.  You can't win a debate, or prove a valid point when your arguments are full of putting people into one category, physical threats of violence, or comparing their lame and cowardly actions to real ilfe horrible actions that have far greater impact on lives.
  • RigurRigur Member Posts: 53
    Originally posted by Majinash
    Originally posted by ace5572

     

    This guy is the perfect example of the average EVE player....

     

    Seeing a lot of this in the thread.  Is this EVE-ism or something?

     

    First they came for the EVE players,

    But I was not one of them...

    People are going to look from the outside in with disgust after hearing about the things that go on in Eve.

    The first MMO you loved will always be the best. You will never get that feeling back stop trying.

  • MajinashMajinash Member Posts: 1,320
    Originally posted by Rigur

    You also won't see people shouting the N word or calling people homophobic bullshit on the sidewalk.

    I see this pretty often.  The homophobic part far more than the racism, but neither are in short supply. 

    Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.

  • RigurRigur Member Posts: 53
    Originally posted by Majinash
    Originally posted by Rigur

    You also won't see people shouting the N word or calling people homophobic bullshit on the sidewalk.

    I see this pretty often.  The homophobic part far more than the racism, but neither are in short supply. 

    In real life? Never see any of that here. I live in a small town so that could also be part of it.

    The first MMO you loved will always be the best. You will never get that feeling back stop trying.

  • MajinashMajinash Member Posts: 1,320

    Originally posted by ace5572

    Because a guy said "i dont care because the sociopaths aren't looking at me". And i used a quote speaking to the dangers of that kind of thinking you think Godwin's Law applies here? Give me a break.

    Its a toxic discussion that has been going on for 5 or so pages on the internet, of course Godwin's Law applies here.  You could have adressed his comment plenty of other ways, non nazi-specific.

    Originally posted by Rigur

    People are going to look from the outside in with disgust after hearing about the things that go on in Eve.

    And paint the whole community with the same brush?  I just find it ironic how fast everyone is to say the average EVE player is (insert sterotype here) because of some story from the game.  Hundreds of thousands of people play the game.  Thats a lot of people.  I feel like we shouldn't be so quick to label "The average EVE player", let alone some of the posts which boldly state that only sociopaths would enjoy the game.

     

    Look from the ouside in, or go in and look from there.  But try to keep a level head and not attack entire communities for the actions of a few.

     

     

    EDIT: to the post that appeared directly above me:  I live in a large metropolitan area, work around casinos and hospitals.  I can understand we have very different experiences.  It just seems odd to me on the internet when people say that the stuff on the internet never happens in real life, as I see it all the time.

    Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.

  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    Originally posted by Teala
    Originally posted by jesteralways

    Originally posted by kairel182

    Get over it.  The game works around griefing freedom.  

    Here fixed that for you.

    Originally posted by kairel182

    After re-reading your post, I seriously have to question why you're whining about this.  Why ANYONE would know about this person recovering from cancer is beyond me.  Why would someone put their personal life into the game unless it was someone they trusted?  Obviously this was a douchebag move if they knew beforehand that this was the case, but it doesn't in the least break any sort of rules nor is it against the game code.  This is NOT harassment, this is standard run of the mill trust being entirely misplaced.  Especially in null-sec, where ANYTHING GOES.  You know, anything.  There's nothing that can't be destroyed and anything beyond liquid ISK is a liability.

     

    I agree that it was morally wrong, but it's also the person's fault for divulging their personal information into a game setting.  There are people every where that would do this in any game, given the chance.  If you know Eve then you should know this.  I feel for the guy in real life, but have no sympathy for what he lost in game.  When I played I lost a lot, but never due to a trust misconception.  I only trusted real people, whom know personally.

    Yes of course. next thing you will say :- "a girl who is raped is at fault, of course the rapists did something wrong but the girl should never have left her house and never should have walked among unknown people"

    It has become a common thing these days to blame the victim for their misfortune and antagonize them. People like you are simply disgusting.

    People like you disgust me.   You compare game grief to rape.   Have you ever been raped?   I have some very harsh words I want to say, but unfortunately I'd be banned for saying them so I will keep them to myself.   But don't ever compare game griefing to rape.   You have no clue what you are talking about.

    There was no comparing in my post. i pointed out a disgusting behavior that has become chronic in today's world : antagonizing the victims of crime saying they are the ones who were at fault for being idiots. kairel 182 is one of those people trying to put the blame of crime on the victim and don't come here and tell me it is just a game because it is not just a game that you play with npc, everyone around you are humans just like you and you should and must have the conscience to treat them fairly.

    and no i have never been raped, i am lucky but i took care of a very unlucky 5 years old girl who was raped by 3 men and those barbarians blamed it on the little girl saying the girl touched their penis. and that little girl was one of 5 raped victims i spent time with, one of them tried to slit my throat with a broken glass because i was a man; like the men who raped her . it has become a trend these days to antagonize the victims of crime everywhere; a driver talking in phone and runs over a pedestrian and says the pedestrian is at fault; a jogger gets robbed and  stabbed to death and  everyone says why did the victim go to jog in the 1st place. yeah go ahead and hate me or be disgusted by me as much as you like. you don't know me at all.

    Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.

  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    Originally posted by coltrask
    One of you makes a highly offensive analogy of griefing to rape, then another equates it to Nazi Fascism, and another of you threatens to knock the teeth out of eve players irl?  This is the adults talking to the childish EVE players?  Your comments are ridiculous at best, and you prove yourselves to be narrow minded.  You take one person's posts and decide that the entire community of a game is just evil?  I can't believe how far we've sunk as a society.  You just did the exact same crap that OP was talking about, which as others stated, IS ALLOWED IN EVE.  It's sad that GOON etc do things like this, Oh btw GOON is 4chan, and they play EVERY MMO YOU PLAY.  So sorry, but this OP is bitter and angry and just wanted to post to get others of like mind to agree with them.  Which is fine, but your insults show you have no clue about the MMO world.  To think these people only play EVE is laughable at best.  I don't mind all of you, who were never going to play EVE anyhow, want to jump on a back patting band wagon.  But stop insulting people by calling them nazis, rapists, or threatening real life violence.  How have any of those comments made you better than the same people OP posted about?  If you agree with OP, then you wouldn't make such comments. 

    There was no analogy, there was no comparison; i simply pointed out the guys behavior. it has become a common these days to antagonize victims of a crime by putting the blame on victims, it is disgustingly common and the post i commented to showed the same pattern. read properly before posting, there was no comparison between griefing and rape in my post, you are making up your own imaginary conclusion of my post to defend this behavior. 

    Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.

  • coltraskcoltrask Member Posts: 11
    And I'm sorry, but in EVE, it's allowed.  In the real world, all those things you describe, which are not even close to the things that go on in a video game, are horrible things.  Noone asks to be raped, murdered, or whatever you think is appropriate to relate to a video game.  As the father of a daughter who was raped, I find it horrible you would use this term to try to prove your point.  And if you helped a 5yo child in the same situation I find it absolutely insane that you think it is fine.  You are not a 'victim' in a video game where this is a well known part of the game.  And noone is blaming victims here.  Please take your analogy off this forum.
  • coltraskcoltrask Member Posts: 11
    You brought rape into this conversation, bottom line.  It does not belong here.
  • MargraveMargrave Member RarePosts: 1,145
    I've tried EvE off and on ever since it launched, and I always end up just bored. Can't wait for Star Citizen though....
  • coltraskcoltrask Member Posts: 11

    ^This^

    Best post on this thread.

  • sgelsgel Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by Margrave
    I've tried EvE off and on ever since it launched, and I always end up just bored. Can't wait for Star Citizen though....

    You do realize that these two games are absolutely nothing alike right?

    It's like saying you didn't like this movie but you're excited about the colour green.

    ..Cake..

  • Covet78Covet78 Member UncommonPosts: 149

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with eve-online. The scamming is one part of the game. A small part. It's easy to blow these specific events out of proportion. The vast majority of eve players do not scam or steal. You can be a pirate in eve. There's a system in place around it. With reputations reflecting it. 

     

    I find these posts kind of funny. It's like "hey guys, don't try this game because I don't like it". There is no point to this post. The whole goonswam suicide thing was blown out of proportion. Even the guy who was supposedly wanting to commit suicide said it was rediculous that there was this attention given to something so stupid. The leader of goonswarm didn't get perma banned because there was no victim. 

     

    I personally have never stolen or scammed or cheated in eve-online, nor do I know anyone that has. You see the spam for it in specific systems and it's funny that people fall for it. But that's the point. This game is about freedom, not restrictions. If you are looking for a game where you can do what you want, this is the political and social experiment for you. If you are looking for a heavy hand holding on rails game, there are other great games that go that avenue. 

    I no longer play eve. My pilot is sitting at 45 million skill points. But even though I no longer play, it is by far the best mmo that exists. With massive complex market system, amazing crafting and territory control, no other game comes close as a complex virtual world. And yes, a big BIG part of the game is dealing with other people. Not npc's. That's the point.

  • MalfussMalfuss Member Posts: 3

    DISCLAIMER: I read the first 2 pages of this before it exploded, so apologies if any of this has been covered already.

    I've just signed up because I feel quite strongly about this post. What the OP doesn't tell you is that he has quite a reputation on the Eve forums for not very good posting and he was probably trolled harder because of it. Personally I have nothing against him or his posts but the fact of the matter is he discussed GM correspondence in his post, which he knows will lead immediately to the thread being locked. Because people were ignoring him he then started acting like a petulant child. After his post was locked he then proceeded to rant in new posts which he again knows is not allowed.

    Not only that, although he proved that the alts were set up to follow him, he couldn't provide evidence of being called a pedo or that he was accused of watching child porn. He then went on to look into Icelandic law and discovered that being accused of being a pedo was against the law. He then demanded that CCP act because of this despite being unable to provide evidence. He also fails to mention that CCP looked at both of the harassment tickets and found him to be at fault for swearing.

    Anyway, that isn't the main reason for this post. My reason for posting is because of the negative views people have of Eve. The thing is the 'bad' stories are the ones they get the press, always has been, always will be. The reports also invariably don't follow up on the stories so people are still thinking how bad Eve players are. 

    Take the 'suicide' story, it tells of the CSM chair saying 'If you want to make someone commit suicide go hassle player X'. When I first read the story (admittedly a couple of months after it happened) I was disgusted. I then looked further into to and found that the CSM chair was blindingly drunk and the audience was pretty much the same. It's not an excuse, I know, but does help explain why people weren't immediately up in arms about it. The guy who said it, woke up the next day, realised how bad his comment was, proceeded to step down from the CSM chair, offered an official apology and took his ban. Are you telling me none of you say things whilst drunk that you don't really mean? I know I have and know I probably will in the future.

    The cancer guy was scammed because he fell for it, yet everyone tries to paint the picture that it was because he had cancer that they scammed him.

    How about the good parts of Eve, and the story of Sean Smith or Vile Rat as he was known in game.  For those that don't know the story. He was an American diplomat that had a huge bearing on the game, and was killed in a raid on the US Consulate in Libya. People all over Eve mourned his loss, setup tributes for him, renamed their stations for him and even made Youtube videos honoring him. Still brings tears to my eyes even though I never met him. People so easily forget.

    As for Eve players being sick or mentally unstable, well seriously. Some people do take things too far, in Eve, in real life everywhere. I've played Eve on and off for years, got scammed on the market, laughed at other scammers that tried it, been ganked, been harassed, just like when I used to when I played WoW and CoH. The ganking I used to get when playing WoW was far in excess of anything I've ever experienced in Eve and there it was against level 60's that I couldn't even hope to fight back against when I was a lowly level 10 or so. I remember getting corpse camped for about 2 hours in WoW, never had that in Eve.

  • coltraskcoltrask Member Posts: 11
    More like star wars to star trek no?  I feel that most EVE players wanted something like Star Citizen from the get go though, we shall see if it can draw the hardcore playerbase from EVE.  While I do agree with you though, they are the same genre, Space MMO.
  • Covet78Covet78 Member UncommonPosts: 149
    Originally posted by augustgrace

     

    Listening to a clip of voice talks between corp members, is like seeing the darkness depths of a physco ward, in which the inmates are in charge.

    Because that doesn't happen in every other mmo that exists right? good people and bad people play all kinds of mmo's. lots of racist chat going in on wow and rift and swtor and etc... I've quit many guilds because of peoples racists personalities in vent/mumble chat. 

     

    Guess what. Racist people play all sorts of video games. They do not gyrate towards eve-online. Many kinds of racists people. Some like rpgs, others like space sim's, and some still like my little pony online before it was canceled.

     

  • MaggonMaggon Member UncommonPosts: 350

    I've always wondered if the problem doesn't really mostly rely in that people who wants to scam, or grief are perfectly capable of getting away with it, with no consequences to them whatsoever.

     

    I mean, if you got a guy scamming you, and he succeeds, you can't do jack shit about it - if he sits in a station you can't go there and otherwise just kill him - you can't steal anything from his hangar, you won't be able to blow up his ship since thats obviously docked - fair enough you can sit and wait til he undocks, but then its really all about a waiting game, and he can continue doing whatever he while he sits there, wasting your time, which makes him win again - or if he has a jump clone elsewhere, just activate that, and he would be gone, with you not having any way to know where he actually went off to.

    CCP allows for griefing and what not, but doesn't provide the tools to counter any of it - and it seems to be like this with a lot of their game systems :/

  • RigurRigur Member Posts: 53
    Originally posted by Malfuss

    DISCLAIMER: I read the first 2 pages of this before it exploded, so apologies if any of this has been covered already.

    I've just signed up because I feel quite strongly about this post. What the OP doesn't tell you is that he has quite a reputation on the Eve forums for not very good posting and he was probably trolled harder because of it. Personally I have nothing against him or his posts but the fact of the matter is he discussed GM correspondence in his post, which he knows will lead immediately to the thread being locked. Because people were ignoring him he then started acting like a petulant child. After his post was locked he then proceeded to rant in new posts which he again knows is not allowed.

    Not only that, although he proved that the alts were set up to follow him, he couldn't provide evidence of being called a pedo or that he was accused of watching child porn. He then went on to look into Icelandic law and discovered that being accused of being a pedo was against the law. He then demanded that CCP act because of this despite being unable to provide evidence. He also fails to mention that CCP looked at both of the harassment tickets and found him to be at fault for swearing.

    Anyway, that isn't the main reason for this post. My reason for posting is because of the negative views people have of Eve. The thing is the 'bad' stories are the ones they get the press, always has been, always will be. The reports also invariably don't follow up on the stories so people are still thinking how bad Eve players are. 

    Take the 'suicide' story, it tells of the CSM chair saying 'If you want to make someone commit suicide go hassle player X'. When I first read the story (admittedly a couple of months after it happened) I was disgusted. I then looked further into to and found that the CSM chair was blindingly drunk and the audience was pretty much the same. It's not an excuse, I know, but does help explain why people weren't immediately up in arms about it. The guy who said it, woke up the next day, realised how bad his comment was, proceeded to step down from the CSM chair, offered an official apology and took his ban. Are you telling me none of you say things whilst drunk that you don't really mean? I know I have and know I probably will in the future.

    The cancer guy was scammed because he fell for it, yet everyone tries to paint the picture that it was because he had cancer that they scammed him.

    How about the good parts of Eve, and the story of Sean Smith or Vile Rat as he was known in game.  For those that don't know the story. He was an American diplomat that had a huge bearing on the game, and was killed in a raid on the US Consulate in Libya. People all over Eve mourned his loss, setup tributes for him, renamed their stations for him and even made Youtube videos honoring him. Still brings tears to my eyes even though I never met him. People so easily forget.

    As for Eve players being sick or mentally unstable, well seriously. Some people do take things too far, in Eve, in real life everywhere. I've played Eve on and off for years, got scammed on the market, laughed at other scammers that tried it, been ganked, been harassed, just like when I used to when I played WoW and CoH. The ganking I used to get when playing WoW was far in excess of anything I've ever experienced in Eve and there it was against level 60's that I couldn't even hope to fight back against when I was a lowly level 10 or so. I remember getting corpse camped for about 2 hours in WoW, never had that in Eve.

    I appreciate your post. I did not mean to attack the community as a whole. I know the good people out number the bad. I guess it's just like hearing or watching the news it gets you riled up. I apologize.

    The first MMO you loved will always be the best. You will never get that feeling back stop trying.

  • sgelsgel Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by coltrask
    More like star wars to star trek no?  I feel that most EVE players wanted something like Star Citizen from the get go though, 

    Erm No.  If eve-players wanted immersion and a space flight sim they would have played one. You don't play EvE for those reasons.

    Star Citizen is going to be a ridiculously simplistic game compared to what EvE Online offers and again both offerings are nothing alike.... I feel like a fool just making the comparison.

    I'll be playing Star Citizen because I loved the Wing Commander series.

     

     

    ..Cake..

  • coltraskcoltrask Member Posts: 11
    On the contrary, yes it may take time.  But the first huge scam that happened in EVE, to the tune of many real life currency worth of isk ,ships, and everything they all owned, was scammed from an alliance.  The perpetrator then sat in lowsec space with his ultimate prize, a mothership.  For month everyone in the sector and around the universe would try to take him out, but he hid behind the fact a mothership in lowsec was insanely OP.  But when he finally went down, it was glorious, and involved multiple small coalitions of Pirate hunters, that is to say, 4 Alliances of friendly helpful people, and their other allies.  Sure the guy could log and never play again.  But those people are what the EVE community calls the people who lost the game.   So while yes, there is the mechanics to keep them safe from harm for a while, eventually it will catch up with them.  
  • coltraskcoltrask Member Posts: 11
    Originally posted by sgel
    Originally posted by coltrask
    More like star wars to star trek no?  I feel that most EVE players wanted something like Star Citizen from the get go though, 

    Erm No.  If eve-players wanted immersion and a space flight sim they would have played one. You don't play EvE for those reasons.

    Star Citizen is going to be a ridiculously simplistic game compared to what EvE Online offers and again both offerings are nothing alike.... I feel like a fool just making the comparison.

    I'll be playing Star Citizen because I loved the Wing Commander series.

     

     

    I feel the same, as I said most people, and i am only counting the people I know from ASCN days BOB and then NC and RZR, wanted an FPS sim.  My problem, and most people I know in Eve's problem has always been, no space FPS has been good enough to take us from EVE, until now hopefully...

              Also though I said, We shall see, if it can pull the hardcore EVE players.  Those being the ones you describe.  But sorry a space mmo is comparable to a space mmo.  Yes EVE is ridiculously complicated even for the long time Veterans.  I stand by my opinion though and respect yours.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,969
    Originally posted by jesteralways
    Originally posted by Teala
    Originally posted by jesteralways

    Originally posted by kairel182

    Get over it.  The game works around griefing freedom.  

    Here fixed that for you.

    Originally posted by kairel182

    After re-reading your post, I seriously have to question why you're whining about this.  Why ANYONE would know about this person recovering from cancer is beyond me.  Why would someone put their personal life into the game unless it was someone they trusted?  Obviously this was a douchebag move if they knew beforehand that this was the case, but it doesn't in the least break any sort of rules nor is it against the game code.  This is NOT harassment, this is standard run of the mill trust being entirely misplaced.  Especially in null-sec, where ANYTHING GOES.  You know, anything.  There's nothing that can't be destroyed and anything beyond liquid ISK is a liability.

     

    I agree that it was morally wrong, but it's also the person's fault for divulging their personal information into a game setting.  There are people every where that would do this in any game, given the chance.  If you know Eve then you should know this.  I feel for the guy in real life, but have no sympathy for what he lost in game.  When I played I lost a lot, but never due to a trust misconception.  I only trusted real people, whom know personally.

    Yes of course. next thing you will say :- "a girl who is raped is at fault, of course the rapists did something wrong but the girl should never have left her house and never should have walked among unknown people"

    It has become a common thing these days to blame the victim for their misfortune and antagonize them. People like you are simply disgusting.

    People like you disgust me.   You compare game grief to rape.   Have you ever been raped?   I have some very harsh words I want to say, but unfortunately I'd be banned for saying them so I will keep them to myself.   But don't ever compare game griefing to rape.   You have no clue what you are talking about.

    There was no comparing in my post. i pointed out a disgusting behavior that has become chronic in today's world : antagonizing the victims of crime saying they are the ones who were at fault for being idiots. kairel 182 is one of those people trying to put the blame of crime on the victim and don't come here and tell me it is just a game because it is not just a game that you play with npc, everyone around you are humans just like you and you should and must have the conscience to treat them fairly.

    and no i have never been raped, i am lucky but i took care of a very unlucky 5 years old girl who was raped by 3 men and those barbarians blamed it on the little girl saying the girl touched their penis. and that little girl was one of 5 raped victims i spent time with, one of them tried to slit my throat with a broken glass because i was a man; like the men who raped her . it has become a trend these days to antagonize the victims of crime everywhere; a driver talking in phone and runs over a pedestrian and says the pedestrian is at fault; a jogger gets robbed and  stabbed to death and  everyone says why did the victim go to jog in the 1st place. yeah go ahead and hate me or be disgusted by me as much as you like. you don't know me at all.

    Such extreme examples you use in your arguments, really, raping of 5 year old girls, of course those 3 men are worthy of a death sentence, many here would likely be happy to perform it on them.

    But just as in your real life examples, there are just some things you should not do, and if you discard proper caution you are partly responsible for the misfortune that happens to you.

    Driver runs over pedestrian, pedestrian should have made sure the way was clear before crossing, since he's going to lose badly if anyone misjudges.  Jogger gets robbed and stabbed to death, there are many streets not far from my home I would not jog on at night, and even in my neighborhood I jog with a can of pepper spray on my hand and .380 auto in the fanny pack around my waist.  You learn to take responsibility for your own safety in real life, avoid doing activities that might be detrimental to your health, and at the end of the day, bring proper back up when necessary to resolve problems.

    EVE's a lot like this.  The OP claims to have played since 2003, he knows full well what sort of universe EVE is, you learn to take care of your own problems, he's just upset that CCP is refusing to take care of his problems for him.  Posting in GD chat is always a risk, most corps I belong to don't even permit their members to do so, too much risk of drawing wrath down on your head, so I never did. (they won't let you post on an alt as I recall, the point of that being you are supposed to behave or face the consequences for your actions)s

    But the OP did the right thing, he's dissatisfied with the way the game is run, sees imaginary demons behind every action, and he rightly tells people to stay away if they are not willing to participate in this sort of gaming experience, he is correct, this is not the game for you.

    But the fact is, in my 5 years of experience, most EVE players are in fact nothing like this, not even the Goons, I've flown and fought with them as part of alliance coalition, and while I would never join them, they are valid citizens of the EVE universe and I support their being there.

    Oh yeah, Burn Jita, never has been a problem with me, because I know how to adapt to this and fly smart, guess what, don't fly to Jita or any other major market hub during the event, problem solved.

    Yeah, in EVE you don't always get to do what you want to do, when you want to do, and sometimes you are just going to be the bug instead of the windshield.

     

     

     

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  • MakidianMakidian Member UncommonPosts: 208
    Yea not everyone is a dbag in eve, so you can't label everyone that plays it. Eve is a game where anything goes, and everyone knows that. All online games have their dbags, and you learn to deal with it. Eve does have a lot of good people in it. My advice would be to not quit, find some good people and go hunting : ) that's the beauty of eve.
  • IkonoclastiaIkonoclastia Member UncommonPosts: 203
    Originally posted by Malfuss

    DISCLAIMER: I read the first 2 pages of this before it exploded, so apologies if any of this has been covered already.

    I've just signed up because I feel quite strongly about this post. What the OP doesn't tell you is that he has quite a reputation on the Eve forums for not very good posting and he was probably trolled harder because of it. Personally I have nothing against him or his posts but the fact of the matter is he discussed GM correspondence in his post, which he knows will lead immediately to the thread being locked. Because people were ignoring him he then started acting like a petulant child. After his post was locked he then proceeded to rant in new posts which he again knows is not allowed.

    Not only that, although he proved that the alts were set up to follow him, he couldn't provide evidence of being called a pedo or that he was accused of watching child porn. He then went on to look into Icelandic law and discovered that being accused of being a pedo was against the law. He then demanded that CCP act because of this despite being unable to provide evidence. He also fails to mention that CCP looked at both of the harassment tickets and found him to be at fault for swearing.

    Anyway, that isn't the main reason for this post. My reason for posting is because of the negative views people have of Eve. The thing is the 'bad' stories are the ones they get the press, always has been, always will be. The reports also invariably don't follow up on the stories so people are still thinking how bad Eve players are. 

    Take the 'suicide' story, it tells of the CSM chair saying 'If you want to make someone commit suicide go hassle player X'. When I first read the story (admittedly a couple of months after it happened) I was disgusted. I then looked further into to and found that the CSM chair was blindingly drunk and the audience was pretty much the same. It's not an excuse, I know, but does help explain why people weren't immediately up in arms about it. The guy who said it, woke up the next day, realised how bad his comment was, proceeded to step down from the CSM chair, offered an official apology and took his ban. Are you telling me none of you say things whilst drunk that you don't really mean? I know I have and know I probably will in the future.

    The cancer guy was scammed because he fell for it, yet everyone tries to paint the picture that it was because he had cancer that they scammed him.

    How about the good parts of Eve, and the story of Sean Smith or Vile Rat as he was known in game.  For those that don't know the story. He was an American diplomat that had a huge bearing on the game, and was killed in a raid on the US Consulate in Libya. People all over Eve mourned his loss, setup tributes for him, renamed their stations for him and even made Youtube videos honoring him. Still brings tears to my eyes even though I never met him. People so easily forget.

    As for Eve players being sick or mentally unstable, well seriously. Some people do take things too far, in Eve, in real life everywhere. I've played Eve on and off for years, got scammed on the market, laughed at other scammers that tried it, been ganked, been harassed, just like when I used to when I played WoW and CoH. The ganking I used to get when playing WoW was far in excess of anything I've ever experienced in Eve and there it was against level 60's that I couldn't even hope to fight back against when I was a lowly level 10 or so. I remember getting corpse camped for about 2 hours in WoW, never had that in Eve.

    Actually this is incorrect - I provided proof that a) the person was following me for months b) https://i.imgur.com/ZF5NuiJ.png  You can see in this image the person states they are specifically targetting me for harassment.  c) https://i.imgur.com/Ae8WArd.png  You can see in this image the person admitting what I proposed they said to me was true.

    And really it doesn't matter.  No one deserves to have a player or players following them for months non-stop for no other reason than to harass them.  End of story. its wrong.

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