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[Video] Some intense combat in Black Desert

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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 6,485
    I am getting this game for sure absolutely love everything so far just worried about PvP. I will keep an eye on the looting rights and other aspects before I decide to get it. Is t coming to Europe soon hopefully yes .

  • CalamarCalamar Member Posts: 116

    Ouch, that video gave me motion sickness too. 

     

  • sword4hiresword4hire Member Posts: 22
    Originally posted by Pigozz
    Originally posted by sword4hire
    Originally posted by koboldfodder

    Lol.....it should give you headaches?  Really?  That should be a design choice of the developers?  To give their player base headaches while playing....

     

    please stop....

     

    What you see is the problem with this game.  There is an extreme disconnect with what the game world looks like and the typical Asian-style-fast-paced-combat-with-giant-swords that you see in every Eastern MMO.  The game looks like it could be an ultra realistic game, so why the arcade combat system. 

     

    Does not mesh.

    Nailed it....

    I was honestly looking forward to this game until I saw this video. Watching it I felt like I was back at the arcade pumping quarters into a machine nothing fluid about what I'm seeing here definite feel of Disconnect between the world and the combat. Not very keen on the sound effects during the combat either.

    OMFG!

    Stop watching the cbt1 damnit and judge the entire game by that O.o

    Do you really think the developers are THAT stupid that you cannot tone down the effects?? Srsly use brain

    THE MOTION BLUR AND SHAKY CAM CAN BE ADJUSTED FROM 100% TO 0%

    Whoa easy there chief...

    When I see the entire game ill give it my entire opinion, My words are based on what the OP asked me to look at and im not crazy about what I saw the combat looks ridiculous compared to the beautiful world that's rendered around it.Its very Asian stylized to much for this gamer. I want to like this game as much as the next guy it has some awesome features particularly seafaring combat which im extremely interested in.But if melee combat is going to be like I see it in that video regardless of the effect changes I may or may not be able to make I might have to pass.

  • PigozzPigozz Member UncommonPosts: 867
    Originally posted by DMKano
     

    Can we see see a video with 0% shaky can and 0% motion blur?

     

    These vids are taken on 40% according to their owner, take from that what you want

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-kCUTdiZaM&list=PLdzMLfeLXi0qmeoveRumob9duR64t3gNu

     

    Edit: For anyone too lazy to view the vid, the blurr is almost nonexistant at this level imho

    I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them

  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 6,485
    Oh not yet launched in Korea. Ahh sorry got this mixed up with archage that is the one which has already been released.  Okay will wait patiently .

  • Colt47Colt47 Member UncommonPosts: 549
    The combat in this game looks to be similar to Vindictus, actually.  My only comment on it was that due to the pacing and over shoulder camera things might get crazy with melee focused characters.   Also, they better have a good lore reason for how the Archer has infinite arrows.  Like, even saying they can magically conjure arrows as part of the class would be good enough.  Otherwise the game creators should probably write "Archers come with a quiver of holding that contains billions of arrows!" =)
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
    Originally posted by FlyByKnight
    Is this an MMO or a 1-4 player action RPG? Wake me up when there are 10-20 players doing all that chop saki fighting and it doesn't feel/look like you got sprayed directly in the eyes with mace.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URrV3I_J-mk&hd=1

    Hope that woke you up

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    That did actually wake me up. All I've seen up to this point is 1 person questing with maybe 1 or 2 people.  I want to know how the game handles on regular people rigs with a bunch of stuff going on. So was all that fps drop (towards the end) from the capture card or the game?

     

    Forgive me for being a skeptic, but Asian MMORPGs feel like an after thought when they are "ported" to US.  We're always 1-2 years behind on the updates, there's never any optimization on things that are "wrong", the translations are bad, and they usually stay that way. That's what I've experienced.

     

    The PVP looks fundamentally skill based which is good.

    "As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*" 

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • BraindomeBraindome Member UncommonPosts: 959
    Looks really nice. Looks as fun as RaiderZ was, but as long as it isn't as limited or small as that game or as instanced as Vindictus then this could be a real winner.
  • PigozzPigozz Member UncommonPosts: 867
    Originally posted by Braindome
    Looks really nice. Looks as fun as RaiderZ was, but as long as it isn't as limited or small as that game or as instanced as Vindictus then this could be a real winner.

    Wanna hear something even cooler?

    The entire game is seamless, even dungeons are noninstanced (there probably are some instanced parts but only few)

    Except for that new housing which they will probably change back or make a compromises due to terrible feedback ;)

    I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them

  • HikaruShidouHikaruShidou Member UncommonPosts: 163
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Alders

    As long as i can turn off all that camera shake and flash then it'll be fine.

    At the same time, i'm really tired of seeing solo combat in trailers and previews.  I'd like to hear and see how group content works in this game and how classes interact with each other.  There is a video showing off class class buffing but i'd like to see that expanded on.

    Couldn't be turned off in CBT1.

    I seriously doubt that you'll be able to turn it off - as that is the "style" of combat they went for - more of an arcade fighter style.

    As a fighting game fan, I understand the combo - flash and pause system that fighting games utilize (especially when it comes to frame counting) - but I am still not convinced that this is necessary in a MMORPG.

    I sort of doubt that there is ANY reason to do this (as frame counting in Black Desert is pointless, it's not a fighting game) - so yes I can see it as a huge turnoff.

     

    The facebook team for BD has stated that a camera shake slider WILL be implemented. So we will see.

  • PigozzPigozz Member UncommonPosts: 867
    Originally posted by HikaruShidou
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Alders

    As long as i can turn off all that camera shake and flash then it'll be fine.

    At the same time, i'm really tired of seeing solo combat in trailers and previews.  I'd like to hear and see how group content works in this game and how classes interact with each other.  There is a video showing off class class buffing but i'd like to see that expanded on.

    Couldn't be turned off in CBT1.

    I seriously doubt that you'll be able to turn it off - as that is the "style" of combat they went for - more of an arcade fighter style.

    As a fighting game fan, I understand the combo - flash and pause system that fighting games utilize (especially when it comes to frame counting) - but I am still not convinced that this is necessary in a MMORPG.

    I sort of doubt that there is ANY reason to do this (as frame counting in Black Desert is pointless, it's not a fighting game) - so yes I can see it as a huge turnoff.

     

    The facebook team for BD has stated that a camera shake slider WILL be implemented. So we will see.

    I srsly need to hype up the thread called videos from cbt2 so people watch them instead of this - YES YOU CAN TURN IT OFF

    I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them

  • ikcinikcin Member RarePosts: 2,211
    Originally posted by HikaruShidou
    The facebook team for BD has stated that a camera shake slider WILL be implemented. So we will see.

    Yes it is implemented, just you have slider to make it from 0 to 100%. And when it is 0, there is no camera shaking :)

  • Colt47Colt47 Member UncommonPosts: 549

    After watching combat videos involving PvP on both a massive level and small team level this game looks like it will devolve into a giant chaotic mess when dealing with the sieges.   The fights appear a lot more enjoyable when the size of the opposing teams is a bit more limited, such as in 1v1 to small skirmish matches between four to six players.   This seems especially to be the case for the ranged characters who are having to use a reticle lock on system.  There's going to be no way that person can focus fire anyone if there's a ton of people running to and fro, with the games auto lock constantly bouncing between the different targets.

    The key to good massive pvp is to make sure that a player still feels as if his choice matters as to what target he/she is picking to attack, whether the game is an MMORPG or a FPS like Unreal Tournament / Counter Strike.  The combat in this game appears as if that kind of sensation is easily lost when a great number of people are involved.  A good example can be seen in the siege video someone had posted above, where the Archer player just dies while a Giant is AOE spamming in a strait line across the field.  That giant player isn't making any kind of tactical decision: He's given UP on making tactical decisions and is just AOEing because at least it guarantees he is killing something or someone.

  • BetaguyBetaguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,622
    Originally posted by Alders

    As long as i can turn off all that camera shake and flash then it'll be fine.

    At the same time, i'm really tired of seeing solo combat in trailers and previews.  I'd like to hear and see how group content works in this game and how classes interact with each other.  There is a video showing off class class buffing but i'd like to see that expanded on.

    I concur the camera was fubar.

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  • ikcinikcin Member RarePosts: 2,211
    Originally posted by Colt47

    After watching combat videos involving PvP on both a massive level and small team level this game looks like it will devolve into a giant chaotic mess when dealing with the sieges.   The fights appear a lot more enjoyable when the size of the opposing teams is a bit more limited, such as in 1v1 to small skirmish matches between four to six players.   This seems especially to be the case for the ranged characters who are having to use a reticle lock on system.  There's going to be no way that person can focus fire anyone if there's a ton of people running to and fro, with the games auto lock constantly bouncing between the different targets.

    The key to good massive pvp is to make sure that a player still feels as if his choice matters as to what target he/she is picking to attack, whether the game is an MMORPG or a FPS like Unreal Tournament / Counter Strike.  The combat in this game appears as if that kind of sensation is easily lost when a great number of people are involved.  A good example can be seen in the siege video someone had posted above, where the Archer player just dies while a Giant is AOE spamming in a strait line across the field.  That giant player isn't making any kind of tactical decision: He's given UP on making tactical decisions and is just AOEing because at least it guarantees he is killing something or someone.

    I'm not agree with you. In fact you are right if we talk about FPS. But in mass melee combat, no matter you are mage, ranger or fighter you play not just to kill enemies but to support your side in siege, and it is a total chaos. In Lineage 2 and here it is total fun too.

  • Colt47Colt47 Member UncommonPosts: 549
    Originally posted by ikcin
    Originally posted by Colt47

    After watching combat videos involving PvP on both a massive level and small team level this game looks like it will devolve into a giant chaotic mess when dealing with the sieges.   The fights appear a lot more enjoyable when the size of the opposing teams is a bit more limited, such as in 1v1 to small skirmish matches between four to six players.   This seems especially to be the case for the ranged characters who are having to use a reticle lock on system.  There's going to be no way that person can focus fire anyone if there's a ton of people running to and fro, with the games auto lock constantly bouncing between the different targets.

    The key to good massive pvp is to make sure that a player still feels as if his choice matters as to what target he/she is picking to attack, whether the game is an MMORPG or a FPS like Unreal Tournament / Counter Strike.  The combat in this game appears as if that kind of sensation is easily lost when a great number of people are involved.  A good example can be seen in the siege video someone had posted above, where the Archer player just dies while a Giant is AOE spamming in a strait line across the field.  That giant player isn't making any kind of tactical decision: He's given UP on making tactical decisions and is just AOEing because at least it guarantees he is killing something or someone.

    I'm not agree with you. In fact you are right if we talk about FPS. But in mass melee combat, no matter you are mage, ranger or fighter you play not just to kill enemies but to support your side in siege, and it is a total chaos. In Lineage 2 and here it is total fun too.

    Let's hope so.  It would be a shame if the entire thing turns into a guild wars 2 zerg fest every time a castle siege takes place.

  • fantasyfreak112fantasyfreak112 Member Posts: 499
    This is the only game in the last decade that actually has a chance of making WoW look bad.
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,766
    Looks amazing.  Like TERA combat (which I love) x2.
  • ArchlyteArchlyte Member RarePosts: 1,405
    10 slots on the toolbar. not bad. But as I watched this I realized it's just Street Fighter stuff in an MMORPG. There was an earlier video that showed a guy with a sword doing attack moves and I thought it had more frames per animation and not so much of the HIFuckinYah! of this. They made the game look realistic and then add this stuff. I agree with earlier poster, doesn't mesh
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  • quixadhalquixadhal Member UncommonPosts: 215

    It look pretty.

    It's very twitchy, and my carpel tunnel already hurts from watching it. :)

     

    However, I have to say my first thought in watching the start of the video was a *sigh*.  Here's this guy jumping around like a monkey with a sword, slicing up a couple of orcs... and another orc is just calmly walking along paying no attention.  Even after the character attacks him, there's another one further down the road calmly walking towards the battle, having no reaction at all.

     

    I'm just tired of stupid AI.

     

    If you were walking along, and a couple of people started a fight near you, would you not either run for cover or join in the fight?  Is it too much to ask that aggro is based on LOS, and that if an NPC sees one of their friends fighting something, maybe they would join in the help, or run off to get reinforcements?  Is that *REALLY* so complex?

     

  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Member UncommonPosts: 869
    If i want action based combat, id hook up my PS2 and load up some Devil May Cry. Taking a huge pass on this title. Dont want this type of combat in my MMORPGs.

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  • ikcinikcin Member RarePosts: 2,211
    Originally posted by Archlyte
    10 slots on the toolbar. not bad. But as I watched this I realized it's just Street Fighter stuff in an MMORPG. There was an earlier video that showed a guy with a sword doing attack moves and I thought it had more frames per animation and not so much of the HIFuckinYah! of this. They made the game look realistic and then add this stuff. I agree with earlier poster, doesn't mesh

    You see some slots, but in fact you can use all the skills your character knows, and they can be many, skill tree here is enormous. You can use the other skills with hotkeys and key combinations. So slots are only for skills that is hard to make with key combination. Devil May Cry combat is poor compared to that here. And we are talking only for combat skills.

    And if you want, you may not use skills at all, but to fight only with hits like combat in Mount & Blade. If you hit your enemy sideward you make more damage, if you hit him from behind you make even more damage, and if he is wounded, he starts to move slowly.

    Initially the idea of skills here was to use them to finish the enemy, but most players use them like they do in every other game, so dev removed the skill latency that was implemented in first beta to make the combat faster.

    I will say it again, it is not a skill based combat, just most people still have no idea how to play the game. For example if your warrior use a shield, I can hit him aside or from behind and kill him, even if I don't use a skill, so the combat is dimension oriented.

  • ArchlyteArchlyte Member RarePosts: 1,405
    Originally posted by ikcin
    Originally posted by Archlyte
    10 slots on the toolbar. not bad. But as I watched this I realized it's just Street Fighter stuff in an MMORPG. There was an earlier video that showed a guy with a sword doing attack moves and I thought it had more frames per animation and not so much of the HIFuckinYah! of this. They made the game look realistic and then add this stuff. I agree with earlier poster, doesn't mesh

    You see some slots, but in fact you can use all the skills your character knows, and they can be many, skill tree here is enormous. You can use the other skills with hotkeys and key combinations. So slots are only for skills that is hard to make with key combination. Devil May Cry combat is poor compared to that here. And we are talking only for combat skills.

    And if you want, you may not use skills at all, but to fight only with hits like combat in Mount & Blade. If you hit your enemy sideward you make more damage, if you hit him from behind you make even more damage, and if he is wounded, he starts to move slowly.

    Initially the idea of skills here was to use them to finish the enemy, but most players use them like they do in every other game, so dev removed the skill latency that was implemented in first beta to make the combat faster.

    I will say it again, it is not a skill based combat, just most people still have no idea how to play the game. For example if your warrior use a shield, I can hit him aside or from behind and kill him, even if I don't use a skill, so the combat is dimension oriented.

    The movements are ridiculously fast and lack realism in the animations. Cartoony motion in a realistic figure looks fake and jarring to me. The rest of the game looks amazing from what I have seen (even the fishing), but this combat is unappealing to me in the format.

    May be deep and strategic, but looks like Street Fighter, with P2 (orcs) having no one at the controls.

     

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  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    A great game ruined by it's combat system.  I'm not fan of locked animations.  I like having the freedom to cancel at any time.  Some MMOs do this, but not for every skill.  As this video shows, it seems to be for every skill, making it an arcade Tekken-style combat.
  • ikcinikcin Member RarePosts: 2,211
    Yes, combat is arcade action style, not skill based.
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