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  • marcustmarcust Member UncommonPosts: 495

    In my opinion, this is the type of game where you spend a lot of time solo early on, then group up with friends for dungeons, AvA and probably adventure zones.

    If someone is coming in with the plan to group with friends from minute one, it doesn't work so well.

    ESO is exactly the type of game I want, I want to quietly immerse myself into my ESO "happy place" after a day of work. If I feel like being social I can group up with friends, if I don't then I can lose myself in this game.

    The metaphor that comes to mind is this:

    When you want to go crazy with your friends, do you go to a bar or to the library? This game is the library, not the bar. However you can consider cyrodiil as the beergarden down the road from the library.

    I like my library time. I like a good book. I love this game.

     

     

     

    Playing: Darkfall New Dawn (and planning to play Fallout 76)
    Favourite games have included: UO, Lineage2, Darkfall, Lotro, Baldur's Gate, SSX, FF7 and yes the original Wizardry on an Apple IIe

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,858
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by crasset15

     

    Archery is boring and takes no effort to use, since arrows are infinite and even if you do miss, they will home in on the target.

     

     

    Wow, didnt expect that. So I assume magic is the same?

    Does this game do anything like other Elder Scrolls game?

    Magic works off mana

    Yes, but do they home into your target?

    I was referring to the amount of magic. Notice I didn't say magic hones into your target? 

    edit: removed arrows. Sorry, I didn't even play around with archery but from what I have heard that is the case. 

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  • black_ifritblack_ifrit Member Posts: 45
    If this game is to hard for you then move on, but it took me all of 15 minutes to figure everything out. If you READ the tips and listen to what the quest givers say its not hard to learn at all.
  • TalemireTalemire Member UncommonPosts: 781
    Originally posted by FearU

     2 of our party forgot about it and spent the first couple of hours spamming 1 and clicking their mouse!

    I think I found your problem.

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  • sakersaker Member UncommonPosts: 1,243

    [quote]Originally posted by mcrippins


     What you can guarantee is that not every game will be to your liking. Some will like this. Some will like Wildstar. Some will not like either. Personally, I can't stand Wildstar, and I love this game. To each their own.[/b][/quote]

    I find them both un-inspiring. I can't see what people are hyped-up about either of them. I could be playing either of them right now, and can't find any desire in me to do so.

  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    Originally posted by Ender4

    You aren't missing anything, it is just a bad game. Still better than WildStar but that doesn't take much.

    The MMORPG genre is in an awful state atm.

    You bring up Wildstar on an hourly basis. It's an entirely different game.

     

    and btw OP I feel you - not sure what the draw is either - it just sucks.

  • sakersaker Member UncommonPosts: 1,243


    Originally posted by Whiplash931
    Originally posted by Thornrage Originally posted by Iselin I'm way beyond trying to change anyone's mind about this game: like it or don't it's all the same to me.   But this OP really stands out as a perfect example of barely scratching the surface of an MMO that takes time get the hang of. The one thing that keeps coming to mind whenever I play is how different from the WOW-formula themepark this game is in just about all respects. It definitely takes you out of your comfort zone and makes you re-learn how to do just about everything.   I bet a lot of people go into it  thinking "Sorcerer... ok, got it... light armor and a staff or 2"... "DK... heavy armor and melee weapons"....or my original archer build: Nightblade with medium armor.... It wasn't until yesterday that I figured out that my favorite archer is an Altmer Lightning Sorcerer wearing medium armor lol.   But hey, if you want to approach it like WOW, get frustrated it, dismiss it, and tell the world that it sucks, that's OK too... but its your loss.
    This ^^^^^^^
    Maybe the op just didn't have any fun playing the game, hell I know I didn't. To me the game was boring and generic.....but to someone else this may the best thing since sliced bread. IMO if I have to play a game for more than 5-10 hrs just to start having fun then thats a bad thing. Even at low levels a player should have fun playing a game.

    "IMO if I have to play a game for more than 5-10 hrs just to start having fun then thats a bad thing. Even at low levels a player should have fun playing a game."

    This is a very good and entirely valid point. A game is not nor should it be a 2nd job. You shouldn't ever need to play to some particular "level" before it actually becomes enjoyable. For my part I have played this one through a number of these beta weekends curious to see if it would become fun at some point... It just remains un-inspiring. Too "console" absolutely, not responsive, very nice graphics and sound but that's never enough. It's all strangely generic. As for Wildstar that people are also all hyped up about, found it to be also just un-inspiring. Nothing at all special really just WoW-in-space in so many ways.

  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    Originally posted by Cetra
    Originally posted by FearU

    A couple of friends and I signed up for the beta this weekend to try out ESO. We've been seeing/hearing mixed but generally good things about the game and figured this would be a good opportunity to try before we buy especially given the high cost of it. Our experience with past Elder Scrolls games is mixed, personally I've played Oblivion and Skyrim but my friends range from not played at all to played a little bit.

    As you probably see from the title we were left extremely disappointed. The setting is completely generic fantasy and certainly little different to Skyrim although probably far less interesting. The quests are the typical thing you find in MMOs these days and range from killing stuff to clicking a bunch of stuff or avoiding a bunch of stuff while clicking other stuff. The game seems to bring very little innovation to the table and we were bored within a couple of hours.

    The menu systems really need some work as well. It took 15 minutes and some googling just to find each other and group up. We would know where to find it next time (there won't be a next time so no worries) but to say the menu system is unintuitive is an understatement.

    The skills and abilities system is one of the most generic offerings I've seen in a while. It consists of leveling up, clicking a plus, get some new skill. That's if you remember to do so, 2 of our party forgot about it and spent the first couple of hours spamming 1 and clicking their mouse!

    Combat is fairly interesting in that its one of the worse examples I've seen in recent times. It used to be that people screamed "console port!" when confronted with lackluster controls and dumbed down skills, that feeling is written all over this game as well. Its certainly not the worst example but its far from ideal on a PC.

    None of us can justify the up front cost + sub on this game when there are far better games already in our libraries and the same generic MMOs on offer that are f2p. I don't understand the hype/positivity surrounding ESO, the only thing I can put it down to is a desire to play a multiplayer Elder Scrolls game from people who love the franchise. ESO will be a definite miss within my group of friends at least.

    Go play your silly "far better original and innovative games". dumbass

    spoken like a true Chau - unbelievable - made me laugh out loud too

  • blythegablythega Member UncommonPosts: 174

    Yes.. it is a generic theme park ride with little innovation.  DAOC did the PvP that is in this game years ago and again there is nothing new here apart from some shiny new graphics. (The PvP review youtube videos show it all for what it is)

    Character models are clunky, combat system and interface felt awkward, collision system helped somewhat but I still felt disconnected from my character.

    I do not see myself spending $89.95 AUD on this game, yet alone an ongoing subscription fee. I am sure people like in all other theme parks will race through the content and play the PvP to death in the first month. After that the moaning will start with a quick run to F2P

     

  • CandyCaneNJCandyCaneNJ Member UncommonPosts: 187

    Well, after playing some more of the Beta, my original opinion hasn't changed. I still find it boring :/ 

    I decided to check out the Star Wars game because I'm a long time fan of the movies. Now, this is only a VERY low level opinion so it's nowhere close to even being an informed opinion. I am having a blast in the Star Wars MMO! I feel a connection to it so far and really enjoy the graphics/animations. I find nothing boring so far.

    Well, looks like possibly SW is the type of MMO for me at the moment. Best wishes to all those who DO find a connection to ESO and find it a lot of fun

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,858
    Originally posted by saker

     


    Originally posted by Whiplash931

    Originally posted by Thornrage

    Originally posted by Iselin I'm way beyond trying to change anyone's mind about this game: like it or don't it's all the same to me.   But this OP really stands out as a perfect example of barely scratching the surface of an MMO that takes time get the hang of. The one thing that keeps coming to mind whenever I play is how different from the WOW-formula themepark this game is in just about all respects. It definitely takes you out of your comfort zone and makes you re-learn how to do just about everything.   I bet a lot of people go into it  thinking "Sorcerer... ok, got it... light armor and a staff or 2"... "DK... heavy armor and melee weapons"....or my original archer build: Nightblade with medium armor.... It wasn't until yesterday that I figured out that my favorite archer is an Altmer Lightning Sorcerer wearing medium armor lol.   But hey, if you want to approach it like WOW, get frustrated it, dismiss it, and tell the world that it sucks, that's OK too... but its your loss.
    This ^^^^^^^
    Maybe the op just didn't have any fun playing the game, hell I know I didn't. To me the game was boring and generic.....but to someone else this may the best thing since sliced bread. IMO if I have to play a game for more than 5-10 hrs just to start having fun then thats a bad thing. Even at low levels a player should have fun playing a game.

     

    "IMO if I have to play a game for more than 5-10 hrs just to start having fun then thats a bad thing. Even at low levels a player should have fun playing a game."

    This is a very good and entirely valid point. A game is not nor should it be a 2nd job. You shouldn't ever need to play to some particular "level" before it actually becomes enjoyable. For my part I have played this one through a number of these beta weekends curious to see if it would become fun at some point... It just remains un-inspiring. Too "console" absolutely, not responsive, very nice graphics and sound but that's never enough. It's all strangely generic. As for Wildstar that people are also all hyped up about, found it to be also just un-inspiring. Nothing at all special really just WoW-in-space in so many ways.

    Is there a template for this paragraph highlited in yellow? Reason being it is used on every new game that is in beta or when the game first releases. GW2, TSW, FFXIV all had the same sentence in their forums.

    Yes, in most cases games don't start out exciting!  It's like a movie that builds as you go and works into something you enjoy.

    A perfect example of an awesome game is WoW. You start out with a short cut scene and then start killing mottled boar, scorpid workers and collecting prickly pear blossoms. This goes on for many hours until you get a few good skills and some decent starting gear. This is how almost every game in existence has been. 

    Please use my rebuttal as the new template for this discussion.

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  • ManestreamManestream Member UncommonPosts: 936

    I must admit, I am also finding ESO completely and utterly rather dull as well :/ Its just lacking in something.

    So far I have got the jist that the game opens up at level 10 and gets better because that's when PvP opens up, so what if one does not PvP due to having slow reactions or 1 hand (right now for the past 10mths I have had no use of my main arm, right handed) due to an injury that may or may not get better, it severaly lacks the amount of computer time I can do ranging from 5 minutes to 40 minutes then a couple of hrs off.

    So far from what I have experienced this game as a PvE one is dull, boring and I have to say just does not cut the high cost to buy as well as a monthly subscription. Don't get me wrong here, I do primarily prefer subscription games, I play wow now and again (but have lost interest in this one completely), I play Rift (used to subscribe) play it for free now but I do put money into it to purchase the odd thing or 2 (but a limit is set to how much goes in for the year) which works out to be a years monthly subscription fee anyways. Dropped out of starwars the old republic (not very fair, more interested in money grabbing than anything else) its actually cheaper to be a subscriber but let that slip and you lose everything until you resubscribe again. You cannot spend cash shop tokens made during an active subscription, only when running a subscription, ones made when in F2P mode are still available (big time sucks).

    Trying out AoC unchained right now (used to play back in 2008) its changed but verdict is out on this till I have had decent time.

    other games neverwinter online and defiance that I am playing as well.

  • BluewhitehellBluewhitehell Member Posts: 66
    Originally posted by FearU

    A couple of friends and I signed up for the beta this weekend to try out ESO. We've been seeing/hearing mixed but generally good things about the game and figured this would be a good opportunity to try before we buy especially given the high cost of it. Our experience with past Elder Scrolls games is mixed, personally I've played Oblivion and Skyrim but my friends range from not played at all to played a little bit.

    As you probably see from the title we were left extremely disappointed. The setting is completely generic fantasy and certainly little different to Skyrim although probably far less interesting. The quests are the typical thing you find in MMOs these days and range from killing stuff to clicking a bunch of stuff or avoiding a bunch of stuff while clicking other stuff. The game seems to bring very little innovation to the table and we were bored within a couple of hours.

    The menu systems really need some work as well. It took 15 minutes and some googling just to find each other and group up. We would know where to find it next time (there won't be a next time so no worries) but to say the menu system is unintuitive is an understatement.

    The skills and abilities system is one of the most generic offerings I've seen in a while. It consists of leveling up, clicking a plus, get some new skill. That's if you remember to do so, 2 of our party forgot about it and spent the first couple of hours spamming 1 and clicking their mouse!

    Combat is fairly interesting in that its one of the worse examples I've seen in recent times. It used to be that people screamed "console port!" when confronted with lackluster controls and dumbed down skills, that feeling is written all over this game as well. Its certainly not the worst example but its far from ideal on a PC.

    None of us can justify the up front cost + sub on this game when there are far better games already in our libraries and the same generic MMOs on offer that are f2p. I don't understand the hype/positivity surrounding ESO, the only thing I can put it down to is a desire to play a multiplayer Elder Scrolls game from people who love the franchise. ESO will be a definite miss within my group of friends at least.

    This game isn't super amazing, but some of your opinion doesn't make sense....

    1. TESO is "generic fantasy": TESO is based on ES lore, if it's "generic fantasy", then all Elder scrolls are "generic fantasy". Of course this game feels different from skyrim, every ES game feels somewhat different. Morrowind feels different, Arena feels different. What do you expect from a Elder Scroll MMO that's not "generic fantasy"? A MMO with flying spaceship and time travelling and giant machine?

     

    2. That's right there's kill X and click Y, so does Skyrim.

     

    3. Yeah, skills are just click+ after you level up, so does Skyrim. You click + HP/MP and use items to learn magic in Skyrim, so original.

     

    4. Speaking of console port, if you don't use mod in Skyrim, it's also console port all over. 

     

    Maybe your only issue is the sub fee, nothing more and nothing less. Everything you complained about this game, skyrim has same issue. It's not all that realistic to expect this game to be THAT different... expecting flying airship and giant robots(or something that's not "generic fantasy"), not to click + for skill up, and don't kill X and click Y in quests, is not very realistic isn't it?

     

     

     

     

     

  • SimonVDHSimonVDH Member Posts: 178

    I haven't played ESO beta at all, but I have to comment on one thing:

    Many people say that first impression is very important in MMOs. I think this isn't true at all. AoC had great first impression, SWtOR had great first impression, even TSW was great at the beggining. The thing is, MMOs are not made for 2 hours, for 5 hours or for 15 hours. People won't quit a game like ESO after one day. People will quit after two weeks - one month, if there is nothing that makes them want to keep playing. But it want be becouse of starter zone, or becouse of first 5-10 levels. It will happen, if nothing changes after first 20, 30, 40 hours, if there is nothing to invest in, look forward to, progress towards.

     

  • rodarinrodarin Member RarePosts: 2,465

    Looks like the standard trends are holding up.

     

    fanboys and people who think this game is awesome no matter how bad it is will continue to support it blindly.

     

    others who see it first hand for themselves are totally underwhelmed and many dont like it at all.

     

    Opinions are opinions and they will vary but the facts are it is as generic a game as you can find, I have said it a dozen times, its a skeleton of an MMO. Will they fill it in? Maybe.

     

    BUT, there are still MAJOR performance issues, and stop with the its a stress test and beta excuses. Its a month from release and they havent changed ANYTHING in the game since November as they have been working non stop trying to fix the log in and loading screen issues. So if they havent updated anything for the stress testers and have really tried ot fix it for the past 3 months what makes people think it will be fixed in 3 weeks?

     

    This game is a disaster. I dotn know how people can think it is anthing else.

     

    Its a month from release, it runs like shit and it doesnt have much of a draw beyond a cut and paste PvP system they borrowed from a couple other games. Plus it costs a subscription.

     

    The more this game gets exposure the more it is exposed.

  • GestankfaustGestankfaust Member UncommonPosts: 1,989
    Originally posted by rodarin

    Looks like the standard trends are holding up.

     

    fanboys and people who think this game is awesome no matter how bad it is will continue to support it blindly.

     

    others who see it first hand for themselves are totally underwhelmed and many dont like it at all.

     

    Opinions are opinions and they will vary but the facts are it is as generic a game as you can find, I have said it a dozen times, its a skeleton of an MMO. Will they fill it in? Maybe.

     

    BUT, there are still MAJOR performance issues, and stop with the its a stress test and beta excuses. Its a month from release and they havent changed ANYTHING in the game since November as they have been working non stop trying to fix the log in and loading screen issues. So if they havent updated anything for the stress testers and have really tried ot fix it for the past 3 months what makes people think it will be fixed in 3 weeks?

     

    This game is a disaster. I dotn know how people can think it is anthing else.

     

    Its a month from release, it runs like shit and it doesnt have much of a draw beyond a cut and paste PvP system they borrowed from a couple other games. Plus it costs a subscription.

     

    The more this game gets exposure the more it is exposed.

    The only standard holding up is opinions like yours where if you like the game and will play it after launch, and you defend all out lies, you are a fanboi.

     

    This game is a disaster? Based on what? It plays better than anything else out there as far as I see it. I'm not talking about animations...so stfu before you post that.

    It's FUN! It looks GREAT!!!

    What the hell are you on about?

    "This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."

  • CromicaCromica Member UncommonPosts: 657

    This time around I am actually enjoying running around the world,questing and crafting.

    I did spend about 2hrs in pvp and I honestly would never set foot in there again except to do the pve stuff. Massive zerg fighting and the complete worthlessness of melee characters just is not fun.

  • rodarinrodarin Member RarePosts: 2,465
    Originally posted by Gestankfaust
     

    The only standard holding up is opinions like yours where if you like the game and will play it after launch, and you defend all out lies, you are a fanboi.

     

    This game is a disaster? Based on what? It plays better than anything else out there as far as I see it. I'm not talking about animations...so stfu before you post that.

    It's FUN! It looks GREAT!!!

    What the hell are you on about?

    The fact that in the 8 or 9 betas I have been invited to they have yet to keep the game up for the whole time without having to take it down for some sort of fix or restart.  The fact that half the people who want to play cant log in, and half the people who are in the game get kicked and they they cant log back in. Which causes even more problems.

     

    If youre willing to buy a game for 80 bucks and then spend 15 bucks a month and have it restarted very few hour to keep it stable and flip a coin on whether you can actually get into the game when you want then go for it.

     

    We can discuss all the other stuff it doesnt have that might be opinion based all you want but there really isnt anything this game offers that some other game doesnt do better. Beta or not, because what you see it what you get at this point.

  • timidobservertimidobserver Member UncommonPosts: 246
    Originally posted by Zorgo
    My favorite part was when the OP seemed surprised ESO was a typical fantasy setting.

    Yeh I thought that was pretty funny as well. When someone complains about an Elder Scrolls game being in a typical fantasy setting, you should not take their opinion seriously. 

  • GestankfaustGestankfaust Member UncommonPosts: 1,989
    Originally posted by rodarin
    Originally posted by Gestankfaust
     

    The only standard holding up is opinions like yours where if you like the game and will play it after launch, and you defend all out lies, you are a fanboi.

     

    This game is a disaster? Based on what? It plays better than anything else out there as far as I see it. I'm not talking about animations...so stfu before you post that.

    It's FUN! It looks GREAT!!!

    What the hell are you on about?

    The fact that in the 8 or 9 betas I have been invited to they have yet to keep the game up for the whole time without having to take it down for some sort of fix or restart.  The fact that half the people who want to play cant log in, and half the people who are in the game get kicked and they they cant log back in. Which causes even more problems.

     

    If youre willing to buy a game for 80 bucks and then spend 15 bucks a month and have it restarted very few hour to keep it stable and flip a coin on whether you can actually get into the game when you want then go for it.

     

    We can discuss all the other stuff it doesnt have that might be opinion based all you want but there really isnt anything this game offers that some other game doesnt do better. Beta or not, because what you see it what you get at this point.

    I've been in 4...they took it down twice in one weekend.....it's beta. Only twice in the four weekends were there really bad problems for me to get it...again, personal experience?

     

    I'm buying it for $60

     

    You obviously have never been in a beta before if you think this = release. Goin back all the way to the terrible WoW beta/release

     

     

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  • CandyCaneNJCandyCaneNJ Member UncommonPosts: 187
    Originally posted by rodarin

    Looks like the standard trends are holding up.

     

    >>>>fanpeople<<<< and people who think this game is awesome no matter how bad it is will continue to support it blindly.

     

     

    The more this game gets exposure the more it is exposed.

    I fixed your "fanboy" and changed it to reflect the century we are living in and to counteract those who are afflicted with EOIMD or "Everyone Online Is Male Disease"

    Btw, someone who likes something and continues to like it, isn't a fanatic. It is their OPINION and right just like you have your opinion not only about them but the game as well.

    I disagree with you but I'm not assuming you are anything or any label. I suggest to try tolerance..

  • GestankfaustGestankfaust Member UncommonPosts: 1,989
    Originally posted by CandyCaneNJ
    Originally posted by rodarin

    Looks like the standard trends are holding up.

     

    >>>>fanpeople<<<< and people who think this game is awesome no matter how bad it is will continue to support it blindly.

     

     

    The more this game gets exposure the more it is exposed.

    I fixed your "fanboy" and changed it to reflect the century we are living in and to counteract those who are afflicted with EOIMD or "Everyone Online Is Male Disease"

    Btw, someone who likes something and continues to like it, isn't a fanatic. It is their OPINION and right just like you have your opinion not only about them but the game as well.

    I disagree with you but I'm not assuming you are anything or any label. I suggest to try tolerance..

    ^ I Wish more people would understand this

    "This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."

  • DauntisDauntis Member UncommonPosts: 600
    I thought it sucked too. I hate when people say you need to play through such and such level or for 20+ hours before judging it. What a load of BS... there is nothing I would do that I didn't enjoy unless I had to for 20 hours.

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  • GestankfaustGestankfaust Member UncommonPosts: 1,989
    Originally posted by Dauntis
    I thought it sucked too. I hate when people say you need to play through such and such level or for 20+ hours before judging it. What a load of BS... there is nothing I would do that I didn't enjoy unless I had to for 20 hours.

    Then you need to play a different genre. If you or anyone hated this in the first few hours, you need to move on to another genre than MMOs. Clearly you have burnt out that interest.

    "This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."

  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Member Posts: 1,059
    Originally posted by adamch29
    Originally posted by Crazy_Stick

     Furthermore the game is focused on AV3 PVP. That's their selling point, the thing they feel makes it unique and buy worthy. The other stuff is kind of window dressing for that admitted or not. If you didn't play that aspect of the game then you missed the boat. If AV3 PVP isn't your cup of tea then you might not should be looking at it to begin with.

     

     

    Would someone care to explain what AV3 PVP is? I did a google search and this thread was the only thing that came up with that term. Obviously he's abreviating something (I hate that unless it's something most people are familiar with). Oh and I know what PVP means, just not sure about the AV3.

    I'm playing the beta and think the PVE storyline is good. I haven't seen any PVP, or been introduced in any way, but only at level 6. 

     

    Alliance (Dominion) vs Alliance (Covenant) vs Alliance (Pact) PVP. Some want to call it RVR from their days playing DAOC (Dark Age of Camelot.)  I use AV3 as an abbreviation rather than writing out AVAVA PVP all the time lol. :)

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