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[Column] World of Warcraft: Delving More Into Garrisons

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  • syriinxsyriinx Member UncommonPosts: 1,383
    Originally posted by tordurbar

    I am an alt fanatic and share the concern of a poster above. I do not want a garrison for every toon that I have on a server, just a single Garrison for a faction (Alliance or Horde) would be just fine - and save on real estate.

    Disappointed that Blizzard is going the way of SWTOR in crafting in Garrisons. I am not surprised seeing how in each expansion starting with CATA that they have cut more and more from professions (except, on all things, cooking!). In another two expansions crafting will be just as simple and as boring as talents. By the third expansion they will finally introduce action combat and have what the new devs always wanted - an action combat mmo.

    From what I gather the garrisons will give you limited access to craft professions besides your basic 2.  people have been asking for more than 2 professions since the day the game launched.  They have to be careful with it to not trivialize the need for buying from others though. 

     

    Crafting in WoW has been simple and boring since day 1.  And there is no chance in hell WoW's combat is changing.  Thats about the only way they would ever lose their number one status within the next 5 years.

  • demadildemadil Member UncommonPosts: 88
    Is wow a wildstar clone now?
  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by Whytewulf
    Kind of interesting.  I want to come back, but not really interested in joining such a pre-built community and being an outsider to that.  I am fairly certain none of my former friends play anymore.  UGH.. whats a level 75 druid to do with no Garrison to call home!

    If there is one thing WoW still has over every other MMO (aside from amount of active players), is that it always has new players joining all the time, esp around christmass time. You will never be stonewalled by a "pre built community" like in other older games......unless you ding 90 and want to immediatly run heroic raids...lol

  • unclemounclemo Member UncommonPosts: 462
    I never played WOW so I have to ask, ten years and they're just now getting around to housing? What has Blizzard been doing with all that sub money?
  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by unclemo
    I never played WOW so I have to ask, ten years and they're just now getting around to housing? What has Blizzard been doing with all that sub money?

    Exactly....why hasnt Blizzard released any content for the game in the last ten years...jeez....

    /endsarcasm

    #fightcrazywithcrazy

  • deniterdeniter Member RarePosts: 1,373
    Originally posted by unclemo
    I never played WOW so I have to ask, ten years and they're just now getting around to housing? What has Blizzard been doing with all that sub money?

    They've been busy turning this gem of MMOs to please facebook players. You know, the social media having more than 1.19 billion active users worldwide. They had over 12 million subscribers; that's nothing compared to a possible billion+ they could have acquired by doing what they've done over these years. Greed has no limits, i guess.

    This is what i believe they were thinking when they slowly but steadily destroyed the game that once was World of Warcraft.

  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by deniter
    Originally posted by unclemo
    I never played WOW so I have to ask, ten years and they're just now getting around to housing? What has Blizzard been doing with all that sub money?

    They've been busy turning this gem of MMOs to please facebook players. You know, the social media having more than 1.19 billion active users worldwide. They had over 12 million subscribers; that's nothing compared to a possible billion+ they could have acquired by doing what they've done over these years. Greed has no limits, i guess.

    This is what i believe they were thinking when they slowly but steadily destroyed the game that once was World of Warcraft.

    Exactly!...how dare they add in additional casual content to attract more players, on top of the harder stuff that has always been there.

    #fightcrazywithcrazy

  • jdizzle2k13jdizzle2k13 Member UncommonPosts: 251

    I think when it comes to housing it's impossible to make everyone happy.  Even if they included it in the game from day one with no instancing/phasing there would probably be 9+ million houses across the different servers and at least 8.5 million of them would be empty all the time cuz no one went back to them.  At least they're trying something, but then, they always try something and it manages to fall short in people's eyes, one way or another.

    As a person who enjoys pvp, I would've liked to see it able to be contested and people able to fight over plots of land, but open world pvp doesn't seem to be that popular with wow players anymore.  Unless I just haven't played on the right server.

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  • GravargGravarg Member UncommonPosts: 3,424

    MR KRABS WOOOOOT!

    I like Clancy Brown, he'll make a good king character :D

     

    I can't wait to get my hands on my Garrison.  I already have money saved up to buy one :)

  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by jdizzle2k13

    I think when it comes to housing it's impossible to make everyone happy.  Even if they included it in the game from day one with no instancing/phasing there would probably be 9+ million houses across the different servers and at least 8.5 million of them would be empty all the time cuz no one went back to them.  At least they're trying something, but then, they always try something and it manages to fall short in people's eyes, one way or another.

    As a person who enjoys pvp, I would've liked to see it able to be contested and people able to fight over plots of land, but open world pvp doesn't seem to be that popular with wow players anymore.  Unless I just haven't played on the right server.

    I see many posters mention how WoW doesn't care about open world PVP anymore, and while true to a certain extent right now, nobody is mentioning the consistant PVP open world zone being added in the next xpac (similer to old Ilium in swtor), where is doesnt matter wether you are on a PVP or PVE server, PVP is fare game if you are in that open world zone.

    That, at the very least, is a step in the right direction.

     

  • GravargGravarg Member UncommonPosts: 3,424
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by jdizzle2k13

    I think when it comes to housing it's impossible to make everyone happy.  Even if they included it in the game from day one with no instancing/phasing there would probably be 9+ million houses across the different servers and at least 8.5 million of them would be empty all the time cuz no one went back to them.  At least they're trying something, but then, they always try something and it manages to fall short in people's eyes, one way or another.

    As a person who enjoys pvp, I would've liked to see it able to be contested and people able to fight over plots of land, but open world pvp doesn't seem to be that popular with wow players anymore.  Unless I just haven't played on the right server.

    I see many posters mention how WoW doesn't care about open world PVP anymore, and while true to a certain extent right now, nobody is mentioning the consistant PVP open world zone being added in the next xpac (similer to old Ilium in swtor), where is doesnt matter wether you are on a PVP or PVE server, PVP is fare game if you are in that open world zone.

    That, at the very least, is a step in the right direction.

     

    Yeah, I was about to talk about the PvP area hehe.  Besides, I don't think it's that Blizzard doesn't care about Open World PvP.  It's more that players don't care about  open world PvP.  The days of Tarren Mill, Blizzard didn't have to do anything to have 500+ people bashing each other's brains in and causing the server to crash, players did that.  Blizzard didn't cause players to flock to the Barrens and leave a long trail of skeletons from Ratchet to Crossroads, players did that.  If you want to open world PvP, it's there, you just have to do it.

     

    One thing players always seem to forget, the game is what you make it.  If you want to make it into a pokemon clone, you can.  If you want a good ol' quest grind game, it's there.  If you want a grindy import game, it's there. If you want a PvP game, it's there.  If you want a RvR game, it's there.  It's always been there.  For some reason players forget this, and just go with the fastest, strongest, quickest way to get things done or get rewards.

     

    Always reminded of this video when people talk about how blizzard ruined WoW. Makes me laugh everytime.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbT-cW8Zb7o

  • deniterdeniter Member RarePosts: 1,373
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by deniter
    Originally posted by unclemo
    I never played WOW so I have to ask, ten years and they're just now getting around to housing? What has Blizzard been doing with all that sub money?

    They've been busy turning this gem of MMOs to please facebook players. You know, the social media having more than 1.19 billion active users worldwide. They had over 12 million subscribers; that's nothing compared to a possible billion+ they could have acquired by doing what they've done over these years. Greed has no limits, i guess.

    This is what i believe they were thinking when they slowly but steadily destroyed the game that once was World of Warcraft.

    Exactly!...how dare they add in additional casual content to attract more players, on top of the harder stuff that has always been there.

    #fightcrazywithcrazy

    They did a very good job there. More players have come, and even more have stopped playing. This game was always a casual game, otherwise i wouldn't have played it for 6 years. Facebook games are made for non-gamers, and that's what WoW has become; a game for non-gamers. It's like starting to make cars for people with no driving license. What an awesome idea.

    And it never was about difficulty. Wow has always been a fairly easy game. Now it's a facebook game for the first few weeks before you can start the actual game, which is raiding on max level (there's no gearing up game anymore, since it was replaced with the facebook one).

    I don't have anything against facebook or the games in it. I even play some of them when chatting with my friends, but that doesn't make them worth to pay money or spend any more of my time than what is needed to exchange thoughts with my friends.

    If Blizzard wanted to have a game for non-gamers and retards they could have developed it from scratch and leave their masterpiece untouched. As i already mentioned, there are untapped markets in facebook people but sacrificing their best product in this process has always been a very bad idea.

    #fightfirewithfire

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,933

    Finally a housing system that won't force me to "enjoy" interior decorating and playing with Lincoln Logs.

     

    This system I could like.

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  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by deniter
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by deniter
    Originally posted by unclemo
    I never played WOW so I have to ask, ten years and they're just now getting around to housing? What has Blizzard been doing with all that sub money?

    They've been busy turning this gem of MMOs to please facebook players. You know, the social media having more than 1.19 billion active users worldwide. They had over 12 million subscribers; that's nothing compared to a possible billion+ they could have acquired by doing what they've done over these years. Greed has no limits, i guess.

    This is what i believe they were thinking when they slowly but steadily destroyed the game that once was World of Warcraft.

    Exactly!...how dare they add in additional casual content to attract more players, on top of the harder stuff that has always been there.

    #fightcrazywithcrazy

    They did a very good job there. More players have come, and even more have stopped playing. This game was always a casual game, otherwise i wouldn't have played it for 6 years. Facebook games are made for non-gamers, and that's what WoW has become; a game for non-gamers. It's like starting to make cars for people with no driving license. What an awesome idea.

    And it never was about difficulty. Wow has always been a fairly easy game. Now it's a facebook game for the first few weeks before you can start the actual game, which is raiding on max level (there's no gearing up game anymore, since it was replaced with the facebook one).

    I don't have anything against facebook or the games in it. I even play some of them when chatting with my friends, but that doesn't make them worth to pay money or spend any more of my time than what is needed to exchange thoughts with my friends.

    If Blizzard wanted to have a game for non-gamers and retards they could have developed it from scratch and leave their masterpiece untouched. As i already mentioned, there are untapped markets in facebook people but sacrificing their best product in this process has always been a very bad idea.

    #fightfirewithfire

    You mean WoW has always had some fairly easy additional casual content. The game as a whole has some of the hardest PVE encounters in any game on the market.

  • ArthasmArthasm Member UncommonPosts: 785
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by deniter
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by deniter
    Originally posted by unclemo
    I never played WOW so I have to ask, ten years and they're just now getting around to housing? What has Blizzard been doing with all that sub money?

    They've been busy turning this gem of MMOs to please facebook players. You know, the social media having more than 1.19 billion active users worldwide. They had over 12 million subscribers; that's nothing compared to a possible billion+ they could have acquired by doing what they've done over these years. Greed has no limits, i guess.

    This is what i believe they were thinking when they slowly but steadily destroyed the game that once was World of Warcraft.

    Exactly!...how dare they add in additional casual content to attract more players, on top of the harder stuff that has always been there.

    #fightcrazywithcrazy

    They did a very good job there. More players have come, and even more have stopped playing. This game was always a casual game, otherwise i wouldn't have played it for 6 years. Facebook games are made for non-gamers, and that's what WoW has become; a game for non-gamers. It's like starting to make cars for people with no driving license. What an awesome idea.

    And it never was about difficulty. Wow has always been a fairly easy game. Now it's a facebook game for the first few weeks before you can start the actual game, which is raiding on max level (there's no gearing up game anymore, since it was replaced with the facebook one).

    I don't have anything against facebook or the games in it. I even play some of them when chatting with my friends, but that doesn't make them worth to pay money or spend any more of my time than what is needed to exchange thoughts with my friends.

    If Blizzard wanted to have a game for non-gamers and retards they could have developed it from scratch and leave their masterpiece untouched. As i already mentioned, there are untapped markets in facebook people but sacrificing their best product in this process has always been a very bad idea.

    #fightfirewithfire

    You mean WoW has always had some fairly easy additional casual content. The game as a whole has some of the hardest PVE encounters in any game on the market.

    Nah, raids are easy too. Probably he is heroic raider, killed all bosses with his eyes closed.

  • nomadienomadie Member UncommonPosts: 167
    So the Followers system is just taken from SWTOR's Companion system, just like Blizzard.
  • KendaneKendane Member UncommonPosts: 225

    Wow the comments here are more bitter than the hoppist ale lol. Someone will say, "oh so there is going to be limited space and only the big guilds will have garrisons, of course Blizzard would do something that stupid!" Then they're told that it is phased and the same person will be "Oh so its phased which means theres really no point to it, of course Blizzard would do something that stupid!" I think I've figured it out when it comes to WoW, no matter what they do, its bad. They could go and try to make the game more like Vanilla and harder and people would complain about not having the time for a second job. Or they could leave it easy and those same people will complain that they want the raids hard and that WoW has become casual. Basically its bad no matter what Blizzard does lol.

    Personally it looks kinda interesting. People wanted housing and you got it and more. I just hope that they give a variety of aesthetic options for each faction. Course people would complain, "Blizzard is too cheap and would never do that!" and if Blizzard did those same people would be, "Oh great they wasted their resources so casuals could play house!" Gotta admit, its all rather amusing.

  • FusionFusion Member UncommonPosts: 1,398

    Blizz shat their pants, with Wildstar coming with all the goodies from the get-go. Now they're trying to keep whatever poor saps they still have playing their game with the housing that has been the most wanted feature since beta and been promised ages ago.

    People wanted housing DECADE ago.

    http://neocron-game.com/ - now totally F2P no cash-shops or micro transactions at all.
  • jbombardjbombard Member UncommonPosts: 595

    Honestly it doesn't really look like housing.  It looks like farming 2.0.  For me to consider it housing it will need to allow for a crap ton of customization, something I have seen very little about so far.  Also it isn't optional, it seems like it is a plot device more than it is housing.  We also haven't heard anything about their plans for Garrisons post WoD, and they have avoided answering the question on a couple of occasions now.  

     

    Garrisons may be great, but really there is far too little information right now to get excited about. Most importantly I haven't seen anything that makes it seem like a housing feature.  I mean you could freely place buildings in Warcraft: Orcs vs. Humans and that wasn't considered housing, not sure what this really compares with what other MMORPGs have when it comes to a housing feature.  Not saying Garrisons won't be great, just saying it doesn't look like housing.

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