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EQNext VS Cryengine MMO

CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437

Someone said that EQNext graphics are on par with recent MMO.

I disagree.

EQNext is somewhere between the era of WoW and  2013, but it's not even in the ballpark of recent MMO.

 

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  • coretex666coretex666 Member EpicPosts: 4,024

    I agree with you.

    (However, I feel the need to add an obligatory note that MMOs are not about graphics, for me).

  • obiiobii Member UncommonPosts: 804
    I wish developers would put a quarter of what they spend on graphics into game design and features :P
  • TheAmazingDwarfTheAmazingDwarf Member UncommonPosts: 234
    Can you please tell me the names of the games of cryengine photos?

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  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437
    Originally posted by DwarfZZZ
    Can you please tell me the names of the games of cryengine photos?

     

    Monster Hunter Online (not Frontier Online which is another game),  Black Desert and Forged by Chaos

  • PilnkplonkPilnkplonk Member Posts: 1,532
    Originally posted by coretex666

    I agree with you.

    (However, I feel the need to add an obligatory note that MMOs are not about graphics, for me).

    True that. For me MMOs were always about a sense of freedom and exploration rather than directed cinematic experience. If a certain degree of gameplay depth and player freedom is practically achievable only through use of voxels, I know I won't cry too much for impressive realistic graphics.

    And I believe that millions who voted with their wallets for Minecraft feel similarly. The next gen race is who is going to copy Minecraft's model the best in an AAA game - as is evident in upcoming efforts by such themepark stalwarts like Trion and SOE.

  • SelfDestructProSelfDestructPro Member UncommonPosts: 322

    Your entire original argument is void of any actual use or meaning.  You seem to seriously misunderstand the technology of graphics.  The CryEngine games are based on what we call "Polygons" and EverQuest Next is based on "Voxels".  Look them up because you need know this.  There is a significant difference in what you're capable of doing when using Voxels.  Think of Minecraft.  That game is strictly Voxels.  Why do you think they did that?  It's because there is a constant adding and subtracting of graphic material going on at any given time whether it be people mining or building  The graphics HAVE to be simplified in order to make this happen.  You get high end graphics going and you know, maybe it would work if it was a single player game and only one person was adding and subtracting graphics, but you try and make a game like Black Desert have the ability to mine and build and blow things up, and you have even just a dozen people doing it, the game will implode on itself.

    The stability of the technology just isn't there yet.  I agree it would be nice if it were, but it's not.

    I actually like EverQuest Next's style of graphics.  I think it's awesome for what it's capable of doing.  That was my biggest problem with Minecraft.  The graphics sucked.  And I generally hate cartoony, or overly stylized graphics.  But, in the case of EverQuest Next, I think it's awesome.

  • IncomparableIncomparable Member UncommonPosts: 1,119

    Which company does the OP work for? Those pictures are blurred to make them look worse.

    I wonder if you can get sued for that, or the very least your thread locked out for being misleading.

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  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437
    Originally posted by Incomparable

    Which company does the OP work for? Those pictures are blurred to make them look worse.

    I wonder if you can get sued for that, or the very least your thread locked out for being misleading.

    I did not "blur" the pictures.

    It's straight from the official video in 720p from the official EQNext channel from SoE.

  • PilnkplonkPilnkplonk Member Posts: 1,532
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Originally posted by Incomparable

    Which company does the OP work for? Those pictures are blurred to make them look worse.

    I wonder if you can get sued for that, or the very least your thread locked out for being misleading.

    I did not "blur" the pictures.

    It's straight from the official video in 720p from the official EQNext channel from SoE.

    Then you should have put up tube screenshots for the other games as well. Anyway you turn it, it is a misrepresentation. Not like it matters though, everybody knows EQN won't have the level of graphical fidelity as in games using more traditional gameplay models, and frankly I don't know why anyone should care. If the game is fun, smooth to play and has a graphically consistent aesthetically-pleasing style (now THAT is what is truly important in graphics nowadays, I believe we moved from the obsession with advances in raw realism, just like painting and photography did eventually) and so I don't think many will give a damn.

  • SelfDestructProSelfDestructPro Member UncommonPosts: 322
    Uhhhh, yeah man.  Those pictures ARE blurred.  The castle one fine, that's how it looks.  But, the tiger and hill with girl are both screen captures of scenes that are in motion.  The camera is rotating.  The same thing happens in live action movies.  If you're going to make a fair comparison, take actual images hosted on google images and post them.  Who the hell screen captures from 720p videos?  Especially when there's a plethora of screenshots already out there.
  • NBlitzNBlitz Member Posts: 1,904
    Originally posted by CalmOceans

    Someone said that EQNext graphics are on par with recent MMO.

    I disagree.

    EQNext is somewhere between the era of WoW and  2013,

    Why not compare apples with apples? EQN is highly stylized in stead of going for the realistic look.

     

    but it's not even in the ballpark of recent MMO.

    I'm inclined to say "so?".

    What can be done about it?

  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437
    Originally posted by SelfDestructPro
     take actual images hosted on google images and post them

  • VaporsVapors Member UncommonPosts: 407
    Funny how developers can make such an impressive animal like a lion, looking like a kellogg's "everything is cool and yummy" advert.
  • SelfDestructProSelfDestructPro Member UncommonPosts: 322

     

     

     

    You know I haven't even mentioned that the game isn't even outside of "Friends and Family Alpha" yet.  I know because I bought in to both the Alpha and the Beta and I'm not in yet.  So you're comparing a game (very poorly I might add) to a bunch of games that have been in development or are even close to release in Korea for a long time now.

  • UtukuMoonUtukuMoon Member Posts: 1,066
    That lion is an insult to the Val Shar.

  • SelfDestructProSelfDestructPro Member UncommonPosts: 322
    Originally posted by UtukuMoon
    That lion is an insult to the Val Shar.

     

    Is it really?  And it's "Vah Shir".  I'm not even an old EQ player and I know this is a ridiculous claim.  But, here it goes anyway:

     

    OLD EverQuest Vah Shir

     


    EverQuest NEXT Vah Shir

     

    I have a hard time seeing how the old beats the new.

  • SelfDestructProSelfDestructPro Member UncommonPosts: 322
    Originally posted by DMKano

     


    Originally posted by SelfDestructPro Your entire original argument is void of any actual use or meaning.  You seem to seriously misunderstand the technology of graphics.  The CryEngine games are based on what we call "Polygons" and EverQuest Next is based on "Voxels".  Look them up because you need know this.  There is a significant difference in what you're capable of doing when using Voxels.  Think of Minecraft.  That game is strictly Voxels.  Why do you think they did that?  It's because there is a constant adding and subtracting of graphic material going on at any given time whether it be people mining or building  The graphics HAVE to be simplified in order to make this happen.  You get high end graphics going and you know, maybe it would work if it was a single player game and only one person was adding and subtracting graphics, but you try and make a game like Black Desert have the ability to mine and build and blow things up, and you have even just a dozen people doing it, the game will implode on itself. The stability of the technology just isn't there yet.  I agree it would be nice if it were, but it's not. I actually like EverQuest Next's style of graphics.  I think it's awesome for what it's capable of doing.  That was my biggest problem with Minecraft.  The graphics sucked.  And I generally hate cartoony, or overly stylized graphics.  But, in the case of EverQuest Next, I think it's awesome.
     

     

    Still no reason why a 2014 game like EQN doesn't support dx11 features (EQN/L is dx9 only)

    For example tessellation is something you will never see in EQN, afaik it is possible to have tessellated voxels.

     

    I dunno, true it would be nice.  But, maybe they wanted to make the game playable to people with prior to 2010 hardlware.  Just a guess.

  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270
    If you don't like the graphics then don't play the game. No one cares that you don't like the art style. People can make up their own minds whether they like it or not thanks.
  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Member UncommonPosts: 869
    Originally posted by SelfDestructPro
    Originally posted by UtukuMoon
    That lion is an insult to the Val Shar.

     

    Is it really?  And it's "Vah Shir".  I'm not even an old EQ player and I know this is a ridiculous claim.  But, here it goes anyway:

     

    OLD EverQuest Vah Shir

     


    EverQuest NEXT Vah Shir

     

    I have a hard time seeing how the old beats the new.

    And that is the whole problem. You have a hard time seeing things that are right in front of your face.

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  • LatronusLatronus Member Posts: 692
    Originally posted by SelfDestructPro
    Originally posted by UtukuMoon
    That lion is an insult to the Val Shar.

     

    Is it really?  And it's "Vah Shir".  I'm not even an old EQ player and I know this is a ridiculous claim.  But, here it goes anyway:

     

    OLD EverQuest Vah Shir

     


    EverQuest NEXT Vah Shir

     

    I have a hard time seeing how the old beats the new.

    Oh I don't know.  Maybe has something to do with the ridiculously oversized weapons/armor and complete WoWesque character model.  But you can't compare a model from a game that's what 14 years old to game that won't be out for  how many more years, and I'm not talking Landmark.

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  • coretex666coretex666 Member EpicPosts: 4,024
    Originally posted by SelfDestructPro
    Originally posted by UtukuMoon
    That lion is an insult to the Val Shar.

     

    Is it really?  And it's "Vah Shir".  I'm not even an old EQ player and I know this is a ridiculous claim.  But, here it goes anyway:

     

    OLD EverQuest Vah Shir

     


    EverQuest NEXT Vah Shir

     

    I have a hard time seeing how the old beats the new.

    It is subjective. I, for instance, like the old one more.

  • tom_goretom_gore Member UncommonPosts: 2,001

    And in just 5 years we will laugh our asses off at the Cryengine graphics, while the EQNext graphics still look fine.

     

  • SimsuSimsu Member UncommonPosts: 386

    As others have indicated, you’re comparing screenshots from a video to actual game shots. Also, you’re comparing pre-alpha to a complete engine (and almost complete games). That being said, I fully agree with you that EQN graphics are not going to be as nice as what the Cry engine can put out.

    HOWEVER, if you’re playing EQN for the graphics you’re doing it wrong. Even if EQN’s only “new” feature was a fully destructible world then it’d blow the Cry engine out of the water on features – never mind everything else that it’s promising.

  • MumboJumboMumboJumbo Member UncommonPosts: 3,219

    This is more impressive than CryEngine.

    On that front SOE has a very impressive engine to p*ss around with.

    I'm yet to see an MMORPG use CryEngine or Unreal Engine and be impressed bar shiny graphical presentation.

  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member RarePosts: 3,437
    Originally posted by SelfDestructPro
    Originally posted by UtukuMoon
    That lion is an insult to the Val Shar.

     

    Is it really?  And it's "Vah Shir".  I'm not even an old EQ player and I know this is a ridiculous claim.  But, here it goes anyway:

     

    OLD EverQuest Vah Shir

     


    EverQuest NEXT Vah Shir

     

    I have a hard time seeing how the old beats the new.

    I agree with him, that lion is comical compared to the EQ Val Shir.




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