so many great games out there F2p. or better cash shop bundles.
So many people keep SPAMMING forums EVERYWHERE how many great f2p alternatives there are.
Now I want you show them to me.
Not a single f2p or b2p game is worth my time and never was worth my time in the long run. They are not good games. Thats why they are f2p. And I am not talking about p2w. I am talking about good quality video game.
When it comes to a game the payment model is about the last goddamn thing I worry about when it comes to the decision of whether I will play it or not.
I do think that with so many F2P options available nowadays, a try-before-you-buy policy should most definitely be established.
SWTOR did so with its open beta, and saved me 60+ dollars in the process.
The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)
F2P is better, who cares if you have to pay 5$ to unlock something. It is one time fee.
Then you can jump in and out of the game every few months and dont think about a sub.
Yeah as I posted earlier in this thread, if everything is sub again that's going to suck, atm sub almost feels special or superior model, but if everything is sub again...
Good example is 15 a month who cares, my family is going to playing this game so that 15 is now 75 a month, just thought of this f&ck.
Subs suck again sorry. Subs are great if it’s just me playing I guess, lol
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Originally posted by darkedone02 Well this game just committed suicide, this game don't even look good to appear as a P2P title, Watch as this game going to collapse FAST...
Does F2P generate more revenue for the company? If it does. Then who are the ones ultimately paying the price? Because everywhere I see folks saying F2P is better they then go on to say they haven't spent a penny in...x months or whatever.
MMOs are a different beast. They're constantly in maintenance. Someone has to pony up for that, no?
so many great games out there F2p. or better cash shop bundles.
So many people keep SPAMMING forums EVERYWHERE how many great f2p alternatives there are.
Now I want you show them to me.
Not a single f2p or b2p game is worth my time and never was worth my time in the long run. They are not good games. Thats why they are f2p. And I am not talking about p2w. I am talking about good quality video game.
Does F2P generate more revenue for the company? If it does. Then who are the ones ultimately paying the price? Because everywhere I see folks saying F2P is better they then go on to say they haven't spent a penny in...x months or whatever.
MMOs are a different beast. They're constantly in maintenance. Someone has to pony up for that, no?
That's because you're experiencing confirmation bias. You assume that because one person (or a few) say they don't pay a dime, that everyone who plays doesn't pay.
Well that isn't the case. I for one do buy content in f2p games...mostly the xpacs and rp items.
P2P simply does not support people who can't or won't devote their lives to one single game. I personally like variety. My play is sporadic, I may hit an online game really hard for a month, then play a single player game with a great story for a while, then come back to the online game. Subscriptions suck for this type of play. Who wants to be obligated to one game and need to play so much time a month or they feel like they are wasting money? There are too many games out there these days (mmorpg, single player, and so on) to lock yourself down in my opinion. No matter how good a game is, I get burned out and want something different for a while. What if I go on vacation or have a deadline at work?
Is F2P truly free? Of course not, salaries have to be paid, but at least with F2P I can decide WHEN I am willing and/or able to shell out money and what is worth shelling out money for. So others can slap on the P2P ball and chain, I'll pass.
I will be surprised if they can stick to this, but if they do, good for them. I hope it makes the P2P fans happy for a while.
so many great games out there F2p. or better cash shop bundles.
So many people keep SPAMMING forums EVERYWHERE how many great f2p alternatives there are.
Now I want you show them to me.
Not a single f2p or b2p game is worth my time and never was worth my time in the long run. They are not good games. Thats why they are f2p. And I am not talking about p2w. I am talking about good quality video game.
Originally posted by Xarko Well this gonna be interesting. Since ESO and Wildstar plan to launch around the same time and both go p2p, most people who wanted to try both will just choose one of them. ESO might win this fight thx to IP.
Personally im still going for Wildstar, i may try ESO when it has a free trial or if i hear amazing things otherwise im not much for Real time combat in my MMO's i like Tab-target.
Good, I prefer "Freemium" games like DDO and the EQ brothers, but this will do almost as well. Freemium bulks out the population while keeping the "You're Special!" sub option.
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Not calling the game doomed because it went P2P but its is a huge problem for console players and the console market.
Last I heard PS4 is going to require a $5 dollar monthly fee for PS+ to play online, and we all know Xbone is going to cost the usual xbox live fee.
What console player wants to pay another monthly fee to play a single game? Not to mention on fragmented servers where PC/Xbone/PS4 are all on separate servers.
Also if there isn't a huge sign posted about requiring a subscription fee to play. I can already see a huge amount of returns. I could go as far as it becoming news worthy about Bethesda being required to let people that bought the console version unaware of it requiring a subscription to return the game because the information for requiring a sub was not made clear. (Yes I know Zenimax is producing the game but Bethesda is the publisher)
This would be due to all other ES games being single player and not requiring a sub. So the over all 'safe' assumption is it won't require a sub due to history.
The PC version should do alright, and will change to F2P/B2P when they lose subscribers. Its becoming a trend, I almost wonder if market research has been done and found out that the B2P loyalists that stay with a game that converts to F2P/B2P end up becoming the biggest whales.
The idea of paying for something that is ABSOLUTELY unnecessary(the sub) just abhors me. As was visible by games such as GW1, GW 2, LoL, DoTA 2, SMITE, TSW(you choose the game),... it is CLEARLY visible that there is NO need for subscriptions.
You have no idea as to what is necessary or not.
GW1 was b2p and slowly added a cash shop. GW 2 launched with a cash shop.
I haven't played the others but do they have cash shops? can you buy things and spend money other than the purchase of the game.?
As I said in another thread, these games need "x" amount of dollars to stay afloat. Period. Developers moved to f2p because, though it does lower the barrier to entry and keep a healthy (hopefully) churn going, it uncaps the amounts that players can spend and a certain demographic will spend quite a lot.
But with that model, they don't know how much money they will rake in from month to month and they need to constantly monetize new aspcects of their game to keep money flowing.
The amount of money that it takes to run these things (and I'm not talking about internet use) is still the same. All developres/producers have done is try to figure out a way to get more of it. If you aren't paying then I can assure you someone else is paying for you.
Regardless if this bothers you or not the bill is being paid. And once they have sold as much as they can they will come up with new ways to make ends meet.
Game costs for development and keeping the company afloat haven't magically gone away.
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Originally posted by Xarko Well this gonna be interesting. Since ESO and Wildstar plan to launch around the same time and both go p2p, most people who wanted to try both will just choose one of them. ESO might win this fight thx to IP.
Personally im still going for Wildstar, i may try ESO when it has a free trial or if i hear amazing things otherwise im not much for Real time combat in my MMO's i like Tab-target.
From what I understand I believe Wildstar is action combat as well. Both use telegraphs, dodge mechanics, limited action bars, and cone/aoe for hit determination. I haven't played either, so maybe I have the wrong impression here.
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You are right, Wildstar is not tab-target. Actually even ESO is closer to tab-target than WS, because it has abilities locked on red marked targets.
damn i couold have sworn it was tab-target with a splash of aiming kinda like some moba characters from oh say Heroes of newerth mostly devo comes to mind. either way i guess its good i got FFXIV:ARR im hoping it sucks me in as much as ive heard about it.
What console player wants to pay another monthly fee to play a single game? Not to mention on fragmented servers where PC/Xbone/PS4 are all on separate servers.
It's not like this sort of thing doesn't have precedent
I truly hope F2P doesnt laugh last so many games get ruined by F2P b/c the community of a game is flooded with rude/disgusting/arrogant players who come in a spew out WOW CLONE WOW CLONE! or other stupid stuff like Barrens chat use to be.
What console player wants to pay another monthly fee to play a single game? Not to mention on fragmented servers where PC/Xbone/PS4 are all on separate servers.
It's not like this sort of thing doesn't have precedent
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So many people keep SPAMMING forums EVERYWHERE how many great f2p alternatives there are.
Now I want you show them to me.
Not a single f2p or b2p game is worth my time and never was worth my time in the long run. They are not good games. Thats why they are f2p. And I am not talking about p2w. I am talking about good quality video game.
I support the sub. I'm tired of people expecting to have free to play MMOs.
EDIT: Changed the word people from Peasants
F2P is better, who cares if you have to pay 5$ to unlock something. It is one time fee.
Then you can jump in and out of the game every few months and dont think about a sub.
When it comes to a game the payment model is about the last goddamn thing I worry about when it comes to the decision of whether I will play it or not.
I do think that with so many F2P options available nowadays, a try-before-you-buy policy should most definitely be established.
SWTOR did so with its open beta, and saved me 60+ dollars in the process.
The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)
-The MMO Forum Community
Yeah as I posted earlier in this thread, if everything is sub again that's going to suck, atm sub almost feels special or superior model, but if everything is sub again...
Good example is 15 a month who cares, my family is going to playing this game so that 15 is now 75 a month, just thought of this f&ck.
Subs suck again sorry. Subs are great if it’s just me playing I guess, lol
Its the "Hero" fate ..
While some F2P models are better than others, I do prefer a P2P model.
Happy to hear that ESO will be subscription-based.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
Does F2P generate more revenue for the company? If it does. Then who are the ones ultimately paying the price? Because everywhere I see folks saying F2P is better they then go on to say they haven't spent a penny in...x months or whatever.
MMOs are a different beast. They're constantly in maintenance. Someone has to pony up for that, no?
And you are playing what p2p MMOs right now?
1. Announce subscription payment model.
2. Announce lifetime subscriptions
3. Moneygrab and buy private island
...
1 year later of declining subs
4. F2P announced with compensation for lifetime subs with cash shop tokens
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That's because you're experiencing confirmation bias. You assume that because one person (or a few) say they don't pay a dime, that everyone who plays doesn't pay.
Well that isn't the case. I for one do buy content in f2p games...mostly the xpacs and rp items.
P2P simply does not support people who can't or won't devote their lives to one single game. I personally like variety. My play is sporadic, I may hit an online game really hard for a month, then play a single player game with a great story for a while, then come back to the online game. Subscriptions suck for this type of play. Who wants to be obligated to one game and need to play so much time a month or they feel like they are wasting money? There are too many games out there these days (mmorpg, single player, and so on) to lock yourself down in my opinion. No matter how good a game is, I get burned out and want something different for a while. What if I go on vacation or have a deadline at work?
Is F2P truly free? Of course not, salaries have to be paid, but at least with F2P I can decide WHEN I am willing and/or able to shell out money and what is worth shelling out money for. So others can slap on the P2P ball and chain, I'll pass.
I will be surprised if they can stick to this, but if they do, good for them. I hope it makes the P2P fans happy for a while.
Of course not.
Its time for new games.
Wildstar has action combat.....
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So many sub games
Soon they will change their model
F2P laughs last
Just kidding around:)
Not calling the game doomed because it went P2P but its is a huge problem for console players and the console market.
Last I heard PS4 is going to require a $5 dollar monthly fee for PS+ to play online, and we all know Xbone is going to cost the usual xbox live fee.
What console player wants to pay another monthly fee to play a single game? Not to mention on fragmented servers where PC/Xbone/PS4 are all on separate servers.
Also if there isn't a huge sign posted about requiring a subscription fee to play. I can already see a huge amount of returns. I could go as far as it becoming news worthy about Bethesda being required to let people that bought the console version unaware of it requiring a subscription to return the game because the information for requiring a sub was not made clear. (Yes I know Zenimax is producing the game but Bethesda is the publisher)
This would be due to all other ES games being single player and not requiring a sub. So the over all 'safe' assumption is it won't require a sub due to history.
The PC version should do alright, and will change to F2P/B2P when they lose subscribers. Its becoming a trend, I almost wonder if market research has been done and found out that the B2P loyalists that stay with a game that converts to F2P/B2P end up becoming the biggest whales.
You have no idea as to what is necessary or not.
GW1 was b2p and slowly added a cash shop. GW 2 launched with a cash shop.
I haven't played the others but do they have cash shops? can you buy things and spend money other than the purchase of the game.?
As I said in another thread, these games need "x" amount of dollars to stay afloat. Period. Developers moved to f2p because, though it does lower the barrier to entry and keep a healthy (hopefully) churn going, it uncaps the amounts that players can spend and a certain demographic will spend quite a lot.
But with that model, they don't know how much money they will rake in from month to month and they need to constantly monetize new aspcects of their game to keep money flowing.
The amount of money that it takes to run these things (and I'm not talking about internet use) is still the same. All developres/producers have done is try to figure out a way to get more of it. If you aren't paying then I can assure you someone else is paying for you.
Regardless if this bothers you or not the bill is being paid. And once they have sold as much as they can they will come up with new ways to make ends meet.
Game costs for development and keeping the company afloat haven't magically gone away.
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damn i couold have sworn it was tab-target with a splash of aiming kinda like some moba characters from oh say Heroes of newerth mostly devo comes to mind. either way i guess its good i got FFXIV:ARR im hoping it sucks me in as much as ive heard about it.
It's not like this sort of thing doesn't have precedent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Elite
http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/xbox-one-unboxing-key-features-locked-behind-subscription-fees-video/
Hell with Xbox Live they try to lock you into a 24 month (!!!!) contract
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Legal/xbox-live-contract-terms
Schedule of Early Termination Fees to be paid to Microsoft:
Year One of Subscription (Months After Purchase)
Year Two of Subscription (Months After Purchase)
The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)
-The MMO Forum Community
I truly hope F2P doesnt laugh last so many games get ruined by F2P b/c the community of a game is flooded with rude/disgusting/arrogant players who come in a spew out WOW CLONE WOW CLONE! or other stupid stuff like Barrens chat use to be.
And that is just another reason I will not be getting the new Xbox.