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OMG what has Everquest Next done!!?!???!?
MMOExposed
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This forum is going crazy after this EQNext hype.
so many discussions regarding Sandbox's and the PvP requirement in a Sandbox MMO.
all of this based on the fact SoE wants to take EQ, one of the biggest PvE THEMEPARK MMOs in history, and make it into a Sandbox, a genre which had a definition change to meaning FFA PvP MMO were you can kill anybody or anything at any time.
these two ideas and communities are clashing as the date of the reveal sets upon us. I wouldn't be surprised if the forum explodes tomorrow during the reveal.
this is getting crazy!
come on, even you all have to agree with me at least once in your lifetime. How about now?!?
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You either never played EQ or don't know what a themepark is
I still can't agree.
From what I hear EQ is staying just as it is and, rather than making EQ into anything it is not, they are making a new game called "Everquest Next" based on the Everquest IP.
Sandbox doesn't necessarily mean FFA-FL-PvP...
Saying it's a "Sandbox" doesn't really mean anything until you see the feature-set and the implementation. Sometimes people even claim a game is a "Sandbox" when it doesn't have anything in common with a sandbox.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Folks have been talking about sandbox features forever on here,,,
You have to have an article that makes it "IN THE SPOTLIGHT" (the thread at the top of the Pub).
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All that and just 2 servers to solve the issue. The end.
The "Spotlight Poster" and "Guide" ranks tend to confuse people.
We ought to have an "IN THE SPOTLIGHT" post explaining that those ranks are trophies to reward people for awesome threads/posts
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MMOExposed has made a lot of posts that were interesting to read, I disagreed with him a little bit earlier, but let's not flame him too much for one post, seeing what he and all you other regulars here are talking about is the only reason I visit this site.
Is it just me or have sandboxes been not just a discussion point but a major discussion point in these forums for as far back as I've been here?
EQ Next doesn't seem to have changed anything.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Yes Sandbox been major talk here for a while. But not like its been lately with all this sandbox PvP talk since the big EQNEXT PvP vs PvE debate started.
Before everything was just THEMEPARK vs sandbox. Now its this sandbox PvP vs sandbox PvE debate.
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people like drama?
"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
This/
Plus going by what Brad has seen and knows over the last few days, EQ and Vanguard players are going to love it.
Anyone who thinks EQN is going to be the PVP game they have been dreaming about all these years will be the ones crying.
The OP is a journeyman threader, to many pointless threads that are full of miss information, take them with a pinch of salt.
Nah, it's more or less the same as with every new MMO. Just a little more intense. As long as there are not many real facts known about the new MMO every faction (PVE'ers, PVP'ers, RP'ers and so on) proclaims that this game "must have feature XYZ or it will FAIL !!!". PVP'ers are the most vocal one usually.
The only difference with EQNext is, that there is so few information available about the game compared to other new games. Must be the best kept secret on the internet at the moment. I mean we know more about the NSA currently than we know about EQNext, don't we ?
I don't agree.
No one redefined basics of sandbox play...Sure people like to put line sin the sand, but if you asked what a proper themepark was, and then tore apart aspects, you would see that people do not agree what their version of a correct themepark is, or heck, even mmo anymore period....
I do not think a lot of the newer lobby type mmos, as I call them are proper mmos, and need a term to describe them, so people looking for a more traditional or a newer mmo can more easily decide what they would be getting from a title...Not that you can't do it now, but you need to do some research to do so.
So OP, has SoE hyped you up, and you can't help yourself, despite the threads telling others to not fall victim?!
I don't want to sound like I am aligned with the OP, cause I think he is a wierdo. But I am interested in this response. Are you saying Everquest wasn't a themepark?
It absolutely was, I played it for a long time. I am a sandbox guy by nature but in the world of Themeparks EQ doesn't get the credit it deserves( or possibly the infamy) for pioneering some of the things in Wow that themeparkers love and Sandboxers hate.
Ummmm I'm going to have to disagree.. EQ was no themepark.. I wouldn't call it a sandbox either.. but it was closer to a sandbox then themepark.. But then I define sandbox as having freedoms of choice, whether it be progression or exploration.. For me themeparks are like a straight line with no getting off the tracks...... Sandboxes are like spider webs, freedom to go down any path I want.
The next big hope is always a big deal, until they crash and burn. Then we will move onto a new big hope and start ranting about that.
Oh and its not the Reveal that will truly reveal what we are going to get, only the launch will tell us that.
I don't get it. Everyquest was a straight linear progression. 1 zone was lvl 1-5, the next was 5-10, 10-20...so on and so fourth. The class quest was as linear as they come. The dungeons(back in the ay, cant speak for more recent years) required keys unlocked from pervious dungeons forcing people to go from dungeon 1 to dungeon 2, etc.
The world was not open, it was zones and there were invisible walls all over the place.
The classes were clearly defined and the development within the classes was minimal. Every player of X class was pretty much the same. Every player was Y class was the same, even moreso that Wow.
I mean it was a good game, but these are ALL defining characteristics of themeparks. EQ was the 1st granddaddy of themeparks.
I am getting to the point where I don't even like threads on the topic if themepark vs sandbox because I truly believe people don't understand the characteristics of each. There is just NO way Everquest was a sandbox. Not even remotely.
Saying it is a sandbox is akin to saying open PVP is a sandbox only feature(as some fools have tried to imply in this thread) which it isn't. I can name a bunch of themeparks that had open PVP and I can name a few sandboxes that didn't.
I wouldn't call EQ1 either a sandbox or a themepark.
A sandbox to me is a game where you exploit resources / terrain to build structures.
A themepark is a quest-hub driven dungeon crawler.
EQ1 was neither of those, it was purely a virtual world (with a virtual moon).
Plenty of other conversations over the years have been similarly lengthy (actually much longer) and haven't been related to a particular game.
Honestly EQ Next has barely been mentioned in the 2-3 threads discussing this stuff, so while it's possible the 2-3 OPs were instigated by EQ Next to start each thread it's not like EQ Next has been even mildly significant in the discussions themselves.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Thing is SOE and or Smedley said---- "It will be a the biggest sandbox game ever" and ALSO---" IT will have a bigger emphasis on PVP"
Those are the only thing known about the game so far , and its driving people CRAZY!!!!!!!
It just drives the PVE crowd MAD that they would emphasize PVP.
Played:SWG(pre NGE/CU sucked)Yep its true, anyone who quit SWG because of the NGE/CU missed out on a much better combat system. DCUO, Fallen Earth, STO, The Secret World. Battlefield series. Planetside 2. Still playing SWG.
Hey man. Im just reiterating what Smedley said. A SANDBOX with EMPHASIS on PVP. Thats aswome.
Played:SWG(pre NGE/CU sucked)Yep its true, anyone who quit SWG because of the NGE/CU missed out on a much better combat system. DCUO, Fallen Earth, STO, The Secret World. Battlefield series. Planetside 2. Still playing SWG.