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Call the ambulance WoW under 8 million subs now

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  • GravargGravarg Member UncommonPosts: 3,423
    I know alot of players have left in 5.3 for one single quest.  There's a quest (anyone player that's done it knows exactly which one I'm talking about) called Glory To The Horde or The Lion Roars.  These quests require you to PvP in a PvE questline.  What this has done is made PvPers sign up specifically for these battlegrounds to kill the PvE player with no gear and they get slaughtered.  They do this because the bonus for doing random battlegrounds is negated in full, and then some, but the utter number of kills you can get in these battlegrounds by killing PvE players.  Whoever thought of this quest idea, I don't think works for Blizzard anymore lol.
  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    I know alot of players have left in 5.3 for one single quest.  There's a quest (anyone player that's done it knows exactly which one I'm talking about) called Glory To The Horde or The Lion Roars.  These quests require you to PvP in a PvE questline.  What this has done is made PvPers sign up specifically for these battlegrounds to kill the PvE player with no gear and they get slaughtered.  They do this because the bonus for doing random battlegrounds is negated in full, and then some, but the utter number of kills you can get in these battlegrounds by killing PvE players.  Whoever thought of this quest idea, I don't think works for Blizzard anymore lol.

    A PvE quest that requires PvP...isn't a PvE quest....just want to point that out.....

  • KonfessKonfess Member RarePosts: 1,666
    Originally posted by Xssiv

    Love it or hate it, WoW is pretty much the barometer for the entire genre.  These players don't appear to be moving to other traditional MMO's so the big question is what genre / games are they migrating to?

    None, They have left subscription gaming until the recession is over.  This is why we see so many games failing to take gamers away from WoW or bring new people into gaming.  WoW's numbers are falling because the number of gamers is falling.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,066
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Alders
    Originally posted by Illyssia
    really small group dungeons and content is the best way to go now.

     

     

    I couldn't disagree more.  I find no fun in everything being 1 party (5-6 person) content now. 

    There's no longevity or community building aspects in that;  there's only segregation and separation.

    It's become all about "me and my 5 friends and fuck everyone else".  That's not healthy.

    Yeah, because grinding raids with 9 or 24 other people who only hope one thing, that you won't have enough DKP or lose the roll if something they want drop, is "healthy" and superior community building.

    All I can say is that you have never been in a quality raiding guild.......

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  • Eir_SEir_S Member UncommonPosts: 4,623

    Yeah, there are a LOT of assumptions being tossed around here.  Don't say anything criticizing WoW, I guess is the lesson.

    Because it means you're too poor or you weren't in a quality guild, etc. etc.

    lol.

  • ChrisboxChrisbox Member UncommonPosts: 1,729
    I want titan honestly, or just any other good ground breaking P2P game.  I've done my service with WoW, heroic raids and the arena climb. Been there done that, blizzard give me something new on my plate.  

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  • Attend4455Attend4455 Member Posts: 161
    Originally posted by Chrisbox
    I want titan honestly, or just any other good ground breaking P2P game.  I've done my service with WoW, heroic raids and the arena climb. Been there done that, blizzard give me something new on my plate.  

    considering that Blizzard have just scrapped Titan to rewrite it from scratch I wouldn't hold your breath.

     

    I don't mean that in a negative way, just that the lifecycle of MMO's is 5 years

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  • sportsfansportsfan Member Posts: 431
    Originally posted by Magicabbage
    OMG DOWN to 8 MILLION!! that's still more than 4 x the amount of ALL the MMOs currently on the market. Love it or hate it or love to hate it or hate that you once loved it. WoW isn't going anywhere. If EQ can last 14 years and 18 plus expacks then your grand kids will be playing WoW with you in the nursing home. Peace haters

    You may post that 3 trillion times and there still will be the same dudes argueing.

    The BEST part is that all those others went free to play in order to even have a handful of servers filled...

     

    I also like these discussions of " free to play games are better" ... because  a game is rated according to its .... price ... LOL.

     

    Trying to survive as an mmorpg by selling some buttons and a shoulder cap each month is so dissapointing for this complete industry, it actually baflles me how people still believe in Santa.

     

  • sportsfansportsfan Member Posts: 431
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    I don't think numbers matter at all,you play what game you like and nothing else should matter.I do know that you enter Wow you will see a LOT of empty zones.I played a whole week and i could count on two hands the total number of players i ran into.One was on a mount,just passing through asked me to join a guild.Since Wow does not start in a town either,you really create an empty feeling in your game.At least with a town you have a central hub were many players go.

    Me personally,i think Blizzard makes boring games,doesn't matter what i think,if you like it play it.

    Wow, that's some proof you didn't enter the game in 2 years already.

    Because CRZ now and Virtual Realms solved that problem already.

     

    Whether WOW is played by 100 K or 10M, the VR's system will populate the complete world zones. And they will ALL be able to trade with each other AND Guild play.

    I would advice you to take a look and log in: Always dozens of players around Goldshire 24/7. Or go check the PTR with that VR patch of 5.4 due out in a matter of weeks.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,066

    Wizardry is right. When I leveled my main (DK tank) in Pandaria, I barely met other people. The lower population along with the constant heavy phasing make you feel very lonely and the world very empty.

    Originally posted by sportsfan
    Always dozens of players around Goldshire 24/7.

    And that's pretty awful. Before, Goldshire wasn't already the smartest population of the game, but it was people from your server at least. Now Goldshire is flooded by morons.

    Very nice first impression for people new to the game... people ganking each other, duel invite spam, smack talk, squads of horde AOEing down quest NPCs... Yeah, it must be fantastic for a new player.

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  • daltaniousdaltanious Member UncommonPosts: 2,381

    Well... i do not see ANY reason to be marveled by drop in subs. Is NATURAL. Nothing, no business, no game, .... can go at all times only up. Sooner or later there will be drop. For miriad of reasons. But with wow I'm not worried. I'm sure will stay and give same quality as now for long years to come. But truth is now there are many more good MMO's out there then i.e. 5 years or even 4 back.

    I love wow, love swtor, ... but this does not prevent me to experiment with many other games. In mean time of course sub on my account drop. But for sure I will be back.

  • GishgeronGishgeron Member Posts: 1,287
    Originally posted by jagd1
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Prenho
    The thing I want to see the most is WoW going to oblivion. i will make party if it happens.It will help the  MMO genre.

    How?

    Dangerous and fun subject to talk about   image . Because it will stop carbon copies made by mmo industry ? First thing came to my mind

      Why would you assume that?  First, even if it FINALLY dies...it took so long that the formula would still be considered a massive success.  Second, you're assuming too much about what is being copied.  Most of what people keep whining about has nothing to do with WoW and more to do with the basic core gameplay mechanics of a MMO in general. 

      In short, WoW's death would do NOTHING to stop what it seems that you hate most.  If anything, people would copy it more in an attempt to snag the 7 million floaters suddenly in the market.

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  • ArthasmArthasm Member UncommonPosts: 782

    WoW won't be going free to play anytime soon, as Blizzard is happy with the current business model. Even if they wanted to make it into a microtransaction based game, it couldn't be done with how gameplay works today.

    Also, they planned expansion after next expansion. So, sorry to all doomsayers from 2006. till present days. Wow is not dead nor it dying. When they reach 200k max sub numbers (even 190k asian pay per hour), then we can talk about death.

  • RobokappRobokapp Member RarePosts: 6,122
    Originally posted by Atomic_Pink

    I just can't stand the asian style music and all the asian type names for the bosses, I am in no way racist, but the asian style themes are just not my thing, I really loved Wrath and BC..MoP has just been a huge let down for me. :(

    Does anyone else feel this way..?

    taste and racism are nowhere near the same thing. you can like/dislike whatever you want.

     

    the day one's afraid to say he hates asian food because he might be called racist isn't here yet.

     

    with that in mind, I was there during Sunwell, it's hard to enjoy the 'new' WoW after that.

     

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  • dimnikardimnikar Member Posts: 271

    I wonder what you'll all do when WoW really does die - and you realize it's playerbase didn't switch to other MMOs (as they presently don't).

    You'll end up with a minuscule market (compared to the rest of the videogame space) that no publisher will want to invest in.

    Sure, some of you relish the idea of playing "original" indy sandbox games with disgustingly horrible production values (I mean really, really bad as most such games are), but I guarantee you most of you will switch to something else.

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Member Posts: 6,403

    Let us know when it reaches the maintenance subs (500k or less) that most Mature MMOs level off at.

    Until then, further decline isn't exactly going to be news that surprises anyone? It's going to be a long, long fade away.

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  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916

    Decline is inevitable. Nothing lasts forever. I think that even if they have 1m subscribers it would still be better off to stay P2P. How many subs did those failed P2P MMOs like LOTRO/EQ/Rift have before they converted to F2P? 200k? 100k? Or less? :D

    WoW's still has plenty of juice in it. But yeah it will eventually lose most of its subs. The MMORPG genre doesn't seem to be so lucrative as it used to be. Back in the days when it was unheard of an MMO without a sub, MMOs were super attractive to firms because they could charge a service fee. Nowadays this seems almost impossible. People are not willing to pay a subscription.

    I will never subscribe to a game again. I don't see the point.

    Originally posted by dimnikar

    I wonder what you'll all do when WoW really does die - and you realize it's playerbase didn't switch to other MMOs (as they presently don't).

    You'll end up with a minuscule market (compared to the rest of the videogame space) that no publisher will want to invest in.

    Sure, some of you relish the idea of playing "original" indy sandbox games with disgustingly horrible production values (I mean really, really bad as most such games are), but I guarantee you most of you will switch to something else.

     This. All of my real life friends who I played WoW with never played another MMO. They went back to playing whatever they were playing before they started playing WoW - shooters, rts, racing games and dota style games.

    I loved vanilla and I think it was the best time to play WoW. I continued playing well into TBC. TBC gameplay-wise was vastly superior to vanilla but the theme was horrible. Space goats, alien ships, stupid outworld etc. Booooooooooooooooooring. Wrath had a great theme but the gameplay suffered. Never played CATA/MOP so I can't comment on those.

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,066
    Originally posted by fivoroth

    Wrath had a great theme but the gameplay suffered.

    Out of curiosity, how did the gameplay "suffer" in Wrath? They hadn't dumbed down the character progression and the questing yet...

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  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    I hope it goes down to 2million fast. enough with "everyone's mommy-daddy playing WOW" scenario. game should be played by gamers and should be catered toward gamers and should never become a sub culture like "my friend is listening backstreet boys so i will too". i believe this decline is exactly what WoW needs now, no more casualcraft. make something challenging for real gamers.

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  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by fivoroth

    Wrath had a great theme but the gameplay suffered.

    Out of curiosity, how did the gameplay "suffer" in Wrath? They hadn't dumbed down the character progression and the questing yet...

    Raids were easier/less epic than in TBC. They introduced the LFG tool which resulted in 10-15 minute long dungeon runs.  Questing was nerfed in WOTLK and it took less time to get to max level than it did in TBC/vanilla. A lot less. I hear cata destroyed leveling alts and questing as it took literally 1-2 days to cap a character.

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  • GrummusGrummus Member UncommonPosts: 131
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by fivoroth

    Wrath had a great theme but the gameplay suffered.

    Out of curiosity, how did the gameplay "suffer" in Wrath? They hadn't dumbed down the character progression and the questing yet...

     

    WOTLK kind of started the downward spiral. Most of WOTLK's actual content was cut, for example. TOC started the shitfest and ICC drove it home.

     

  • infofrontinfofront Member UncommonPosts: 160
    Agreed. in WoTLK we really began to see Blizzard catering to the lowest common denominator.
  • SwaneaSwanea Member UncommonPosts: 2,400
    I wish any of the Other MMos I've really enjoyed had just under 8 million players...........
  • ZorgoZorgo Member UncommonPosts: 2,254

    I'm not sure 'calling the ambulance' is in order....

    I mean they've slipped from being untouchably number 1 to untouchably number 1.

    I'm not saying they don't have a problem to fix - but they've proven they can fix problems in the past.

    Let's not close the book until we see them slip into the position of having to actually compete for the #1 slot.

    - Next expansion/s could raise them back or beyond

    - Next expansion/s could continue the downward trend

    - Next expansion/s could maintain the current numbers

    There are lots of possibilities for the future, why can't we just say, 'wow is slipping, let's see what happens next'. Those who say that age, or product life are the culprit - well, that seems short sighted to me.

    When Blizz can change the rule set, they can add amazing content and blizz can and has amazed us in the past, it just seems folly to say there is absolutely nothing they could do to regain their subs because it is 'old' and reached the end of its shelf life.

     

  • sado2020sado2020 Member Posts: 112
    I think wow's the odd duck.  It'll be a good while before they start feeling crippled about the sub loss

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