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EQN: the New SWG?
noncley
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But can Smedley, the Father of the NGE, be trusted?
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Good luck with that sandbox-like game with a cash shop. That's going to pan out to be interesting. A player economy with the ability to transfer real funds into the game. How's that not going to be P2W?
Bit of a straw man argument. The ability to transfer real funds into any MMO exists through sites like "Player Auctions" which allow the sale of accounts and items(including in game currency) between people for real money. All a cash shop does is cut the publisher in on the action.
You're being a bit literal.It would be just like every other game. If a game has a cash shop then it legitimizes the use of real world funds for in game assets. If a game doesn't have one then a huge portion of the games population will buy gold/credits/whatever the ingame currency is off of third party sites. There is a reason gold spammers are so prolific in games. It's because people use them. I would rather it be a regulated by the game maker. Out of everyone I knew on two servers in swg I could probably count on one hand the number that hadn't bought credits at one point. Which is sad considering how easy it was to grind up some cash pre-cu. The same goes for every other game I have played. At some point most of the people I know in the games have bought gold. I would rather it not happen, but I'm also not going to bury my head in the sand to hide from reality.
Well considering Smed had nothing to do with the NGE, which was designed and forced upon SOE by Lucas Arts, I don't see an issue. Smed actually had different plans for SWG, but LA wanted to follow WOW's success due to the loss of subscribers.
Honestly, SWG was one of the few mmorpg's I was never bored in at all, if he does it right, EQN with SWG features would be killer.
Well because when you buy items from people via Player Auctions, those people had to work for them themselves in order to sell them. In a cash shop scenario, the item is instantly generated and is dependent on how many things they sell. That's how it could potentially screw the in-game economy up.
You're wrong about that but hey lets not let facts and truth get in the way of a debunked theory.
FYI, you might want to read an interview with the late Jeff Freeman, a man who was deeply involved with swg and the nge, to understand that the change was soe's baby all the way.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
That statement might be more compelling if you provided a link to that interview, as it is it seems to verge on the BS.
"LucasArts supervises SWG closely. The LucasArts SWG producer, a licensing and marketing executive, approves and often dictates all content. At launch, this producer was Haden Blackman; Blackman's post-launch successor was Julio Torres. Torres, an avid World of Warcraft player, strongly wanted SWG to feel more iconic - more Star Wars-y - and, by implication, more WoW-sy. He and other LucasArts executives, and a few SOE executives, wanted a simpler SWG where players could start smoothly, see a clear direction for advancement and enjoy characteristically fast-paced Star Wars action."
Julio Torres Producer's Letter - 11/02/2005
Greetings Star Wars Galaxies Players, Fans, and Other Denizens of the Galaxy:
My name is Julio Torres and I am the Producer on Star Wars Galaxies for LucasArts. We wanted you, the great members of the Galaxies community, to be the first to hear some exciting news about the current and future plans for Star Wars Galaxies!
Over the past year we have been working hard to respond to feedback we have gotten from players, fans, focus groups, and other research. This feedback has ultimately centered on one key area: the game does not feel like a heroic Star Wars experience. Currently, the early game has a steep learning curve and there is no clearly defined path of advancement or adventure. Many of our fans who bought the game did not see enough Star Wars style action early-on and ultimately left our world. It is our goal to change this and improve the experience for all players.
We are introducing a series of game enhancements to Star Wars Galaxies this month that include both significant enhancements to the live game as well as a completely redesigned experience for new players. The primary areas of focus include combat and profession and character development.""
The ultimate fault was in SOE's lap, but Julio Torres was a LA designer and a WOW lover and that's who actualy put NGE into SWG. And the guy you speak of Mr. Freeman, he was against it, and spoke out against it because they were not listening to the player base. He also ended his own life a few years after.
Even smed said several times it wasn't in his hands, but in the end took full responsibility and blame. So yes, I do think he will do this one right after that. EQN has a making to be a great mmorpg, finally after years of garbage.
I agree, the storyteller content was crazy. I had a guildy who could create whole events and we would have to fight elite mobs. it was amazing.
Another feature i would like to see in a new game would be player housing and the abilty to make player cities. That was a unique feature to SWG and ground breaking.
Id also like to see thier PVP system in another game. You wanna PVP toggle yourself PVP. Don t wanna PVP- dont PVP.
I see all these threads arguing over open world PVP and this system was awsome. there was ganking , but if you didnt want it you didnt have to get ganked.
Played:SWG(pre NGE/CU sucked)Yep its true, anyone who quit SWG because of the NGE/CU missed out on a much better combat system. DCUO, Fallen Earth, STO, The Secret World. Battlefield series. Planetside 2. Still playing SWG.
Sorry to disagree with you , but I remember playing before the CU,NGE and the combat q system sucked. You would have like 10 commands sitting there waiting to go (in monochrome).Play the EMu youll see.
The new CU was way better with the commands on the hotbar and the wait timers on the hotbar with them.
The only thing I kinda missed pre NGE,CU were the skill trees and we got all new ones anyway. I figured out how to make a good template build.
Played:SWG(pre NGE/CU sucked)Yep its true, anyone who quit SWG because of the NGE/CU missed out on a much better combat system. DCUO, Fallen Earth, STO, The Secret World. Battlefield series. Planetside 2. Still playing SWG.
I would rather play a sandbox with a cash shop than a themepark with one.
Smed had nothing to do with the nge it was LA and julio torres.
Google is your friend. I'm too lazy to link it. Its been posted here before. Funny how you didn't ask the people blaming LA and absolving soe to provide or link.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Prove it. Provide a link or its BS.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
I found a very useful article which provides many links regarding $OE/Jeff Freeman's involvement with the NGE. $OE designed the NGE abomination and obviously sold the garbage to LA.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/op-ed/801-SWG-NGE-Crying-Freeman
The article seems to summarize and organize the many threads/posts from the SWG sub-forum here on mmorpg.com.
Some additional Q&A -
http://www.mmofringe.com/forum/15-Star-Wars-Galaxies/157-jeff-freeman-revelation-archive
Not sure what you are trying to imply but to keep bringing up the NGE is a waste of time and it dead JIM!!! The fact you bringing it up in EQ is also pointless as it had nothing to do with SWG or ever will so might be time you for to move on pal and stop looking back and try to be more positive and look forward.
What you need to do is look at this from a business prospective and Mr Smedley has been at the helm of this company for as long as I've been playing MMO's so he must be doing something right or they would of removed him years ago. I feel the fact that he's got you writing about his game proves he's doing it right because you talking about his game which is not even out yet.
So you are advertising his game by bringing up his past cool and he's not even had to pay for it. If I was sat where he is I'd be very happy indeed.
Asbo
That's just heresay from a disgruntled employee who spoke out against the NGE many times. He even left the SWG team shortly after the NGE was released.
"Despite the fact that he continued to suffer online abuse at the hands of Star Wars Galaxies players unhappy with the NGE changes even after leaving Sony Online Entertainment in late 2006
Read more at http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/86552-Jeff-Freeman-Former-SWG-Lead-Gameplay-Designer-Dies#oJPMq3W5ULoRGPys.99"
He also took his own life due to personal issues 2 years later.
I posted several interviews and letters from the creator of the NGE above. Tores is the man you want to point fingers at. Smed took full blame. But honestly, NGE made the game better but destroyed several aspects along the way. But in the end what SOE did with the NGE is a plus, they added so many features and tried new things, not like the stagnated games of today. Do believe the last thing they worked on was atmospheric flight which was pretty cool and original.
Problem was SWG was too complex for your average gamer, and too many gamers want their mmorpg's to play like console rpg's. They want to reach max level in 3 days not spend 3 days learning the game. This is what our gamers community has become, and it has suffered for it as well.
Smedley obviously had something to do with it. He was the talking head after all. If nothing else, he foisted it off on the players, and then defended and/or outright lied about it. That doesn't make him a trusted source of information.
It would be interesting if EQN provided the experience that players can no longer get because SWG is gone.
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That would be awesome. It's not like SoE couldn't clone their own game under one of their own IPs. But my big concern would be this. Imagine SWG as F2P with a Cash Shop. If there is any way to buy game currently or buy an item that is tradeable, It's going to be a tough balance.
Smedley obviously had something to do with it. He was the talking head after all. If nothing else, he foisted it off on the players, and then defended and/or outright lied about it. That doesn't make him a trusted source of information. It would be interesting if EQN provided the experience that players can no longer get because SWG is gone.
That would be awesome. It's not like SoE couldn't clone their own game under one their own IPs. But my big concern would be. Imagine SWG as F2P with a Sash Shop. As it was in SWG, one's power was relative to one's wealth and if there is any way to buy game currently or buy an item that is tradeable, It's going to be a tough balance.
I know Sashes are out of style right now, but they're not really that bad.
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