Originally posted by xenomonk123 This game is terrible, as many have said before, it's simply another tab targetted combat fedex quests game with a storyline. Cool, good graphics. Wow... Next.
What a surprise, sandbox fans don't like FF14.
Yes it's a themepark (and a good one), so live with it !
I love themeparks and I think the game is horrible. Mainly because it brings nothing new to the genre like say GW2 or even SWTOR did.
Those weren't good games in my opinion. I played both. I don't care "what they brought to the genre". I play games to have entertain myself, why do you play games?
Are you planning on building an MMO and you need new feature ideas? I'm really curious because I see you talk a lot about "if this is the type of sandbox you like then you are wrong!", and "this is outdated MMO's need ____". What is with the crusade?
You don't like a game, you don't play it. No one here wants to play your ideal MMO but you, so stop talking to us like you are this authority on what is enjoyable to everyone else.
Originally posted by xenomonk123 This game is terrible, as many have said before, it's simply another tab targetted combat fedex quests game with a storyline. Cool, good graphics. Wow... Next.
What a surprise, sandbox fans don't like FF14.
Yes it's a themepark (and a good one), so live with it !
I love themeparks and I think the game is horrible. Mainly because it brings nothing new to the genre like say GW2 or even SWTOR did.
Both games (GW2 and SWTOR) have a cool levelling, but have also a ridiculous end-game.
FF14 will have plenty of things to do at max lvl, so to me ARR is a clear winner.
Originally posted by Vorthanion I'm tired of narrow path driven MMORPGs. I want an open, exploration driven MMO and it looks like I'll have to wait for either Wildstar or EverQuest Next to get it, because it doesn't even remotely exist in FFXIV.
Wildstar looks good. I watched a youtube vid and I was impressed with the mechanics, combat, bosses, I mean really about everything an MMO has to offer.
I just can't get attached to a cartoony, little gumby guy for some reason.
The console limitations are still painfully obvious. Otherwise, it's the same simplistic themepark model we've been seeing for over a decade.
Couldn't disagree more! As one who has played with a gamepad on every MMO that offers it, Yoshi and his team has done something great for consoles and those who like to play with gamepads! FFXI was ok when it came to using the gamepad, but the layout and functionality of the gamepad in FFXIV ARR is the best I have seen EVER! I can do almost everything without the use of keyboard and mouse when it comes to combat, movement and manipulating the windows.
There is no arguing the fact that Yoshi has taken the theme park design of others before, he even stated many times he was going to to that. What they have done they have done well. The game engine functions better than almost all MMOs before it. What FFXIV does differently is it is Final Fantasy! It tells a story that those who love FF love it for doing so. The world is beautiful and inviting. It has much of what made FFXI famous still intact, like Limit Breaks, class and subclass options and unlocks, and much more.
Where it lacks luster is it may have added too much of the theme park (WoWesc) feel to it. I really don't care for the quest tracker and (!) (?) floating around everywhere. There needed to be an improvement over what XI offered, but in all honesty I liked the fact in XI I had to think about and figure out my quests, instead of an idiot proof function leading me to each quest.
Originally posted by xenomonk123 This game is terrible, as many have said before, it's simply another tab targetted combat fedex quests game with a storyline. Cool, good graphics. Wow... Next.
What a surprise, sandbox fans don't like FF14.
Yes it's a themepark (and a good one), so live with it !
I love themeparks and I think the game is horrible. Mainly because it brings nothing new to the genre like say GW2 or even SWTOR did.
I would say, graphics/atmosphere, art style and sound are each a step forward in the mmo genre, but then combat is three steps backwards. Which leaves it at a neutral position (for me). I will keep playing the beta, but probably nothing more.
Originally posted by xenomonk123 This game is terrible, as many have said before, it's simply another tab targetted combat fedex quests game with a storyline. Cool, good graphics. Wow... Next.
The funny thing is people think the other games coming out will be something new and amazing. TESO, Archage, ect are all going to be exactly the same action combat game with some gimic in them to try to "Revolutionize" the genre. Aka a sales pitch to try to get people to try it out.
XIV from everything I seen has a higher chance of long term success then any of the other "Big" mmos coming out on the horizon. Higher quality story and graphics, more content variety, simply more content at launch the other new mmos, bigger financial backing for updates and expansions.
The funny part is for the majority of the mmo players tab target > action mmo. And you cannot disagree with that because far far more people are playing the tab target games then the new action mmos. Honestly the action mmos seem to be doing fairly poorly atm.
Is the action mmo scene expanding yes, but currently the tab target games player wise is still over 80% of the total mmo genre. There are many people who plain hate the action mmos. This mmo is not for someone who wants the action style game. Final Fantasy Traditionally is not a series for someone who wants the action style game. (Will see if Verses/FFXV works with that style)
As for pointless questing to level up name 1 mmo made post WoW that does not have them, that is a AAA title and is successful. It is what the genre is now. I personally hate it but it is what the mmo has become. Thankyou WoW.......... That is also the great part of XIV this game is not designed to be only pointless leveling quest... they are there for an option. There are many other methods of getting XP. Honestly you cannot even fully level a character (all classes) on quest alone because there is not enough, and it was done intentionally.
As for the many saying it is terrible.. That many is the vast minority. most are either saying it is average/above average or really good.
To sum it up this will be a game for people who want to play a Final Fantasy MMO in the modern casual mmo style. If you do not want to play a Final Fantasy game you will probably say it is horrible. Just like there are millions who say Final Fantasy VII was a horrible game.
This is not overhype in XIV atm. Because the majority went into beta expecting the game to be garbage because of 1.0. So negative hype going into it? The current hype is being caused because the remake is really that good, and people are honestly impressed.
Why is the majority of every new triple-A MMO coming out with some sort of action type combat? I assure you business executives do not make money on things people do not want. Its part of the laws of economics.
It is the new fad. Business leaders bet on market trends more or less. The ones making action mmos are trying to guess where the market is going. XIV is taking the other approach and making what has been proven that people like. One is high risk one is safe. High risk could pay off big, or you could have it where the game fails in every region of the world like some other action mmos have been doing.
It is like the auto industry and making the electic car. It could pay off massive in the future or it could fail. But making a good old high poluting gas car is a sure fire way to have success in that market now.
It is fact that there are far more people not playing action mmos then are playing them.
It is also fact that every Action mmo that has come out has lost the majority of their subs within a year. GW2 is probably the most successful so far and even that game is a shadow of its former self active sub wise (people who actully get online more then once a month). So my statements remain true.
Originally posted by xenomonk123 This game is terrible, as many have said before, it's simply another tab targetted combat fedex quests game with a storyline. Cool, good graphics. Wow... Next.
The funny thing is people think the other games coming out will be something new and amazing. TESO, Archage, ect are all going to be exactly the same action combat game with some gimic in them to try to "Revolutionize" the genre. Aka a sales pitch to try to get people to try it out.
XIV from everything I seen has a higher chance of long term success then any of the other "Big" mmos coming out on the horizon. Higher quality story and graphics, more content variety, simply more content at launch the other new mmos, bigger financial backing for updates and expansions.
The funny part is for the majority of the mmo players tab target > action mmo. And you cannot disagree with that because far far more people are playing the tab target games then the new action mmos. Honestly the action mmos seem to be doing fairly poorly atm.
Is the action mmo scene expanding yes, but currently the tab target games player wise is still over 80% of the total mmo genre. There are many people who plain hate the action mmos. This mmo is not for someone who wants the action style game. Final Fantasy Traditionally is not a series for someone who wants the action style game. (Will see if Verses/FFXV works with that style)
As for pointless questing to level up name 1 mmo made post WoW that does not have them, that is a AAA title and is successful. It is what the genre is now. I personally hate it but it is what the mmo has become. Thankyou WoW.......... That is also the great part of XIV this game is not designed to be only pointless leveling quest... they are there for an option. There are many other methods of getting XP. Honestly you cannot even fully level a character (all classes) on quest alone because there is not enough, and it was done intentionally.
As for the many saying it is terrible.. That many is the vast minority. most are either saying it is average/above average or really good.
To sum it up this will be a game for people who want to play a Final Fantasy MMO in the modern casual mmo style. If you do not want to play a Final Fantasy game you will probably say it is horrible. Just like there are millions who say Final Fantasy VII was a horrible game.
This is not overhype in XIV atm. Because the majority went into beta expecting the game to be garbage because of 1.0. So negative hype going into it? The current hype is being caused because the remake is really that good, and people are honestly impressed.
Why is the majority of every new triple-A MMO coming out with some sort of action type combat? I assure you business executives do not make money on things people do not want. Its part of the laws of economics.
It is the new fad. Business leaders bet on market trends more or less. The ones making action mmos are trying to guess where the market is going. XIV is taking the other approach and making what has been proven that people like. One is high risk one is safe. High risk could pay off big, or you could have it where the game fails in every region of the world like some other action mmos have been doing.
It is like the auto industry and making the electic car. It could pay off massive in the future or it could fail. But making a good old high poluting gas car is a sure fire way to have success in that market now.
It is fact that there are far more people not playing action mmos then are playing them.
It is also fact that every Action mmo that has come out has lost the majority of their subs within a year. GW2 is probably the most successful so far and even that game is a shadow of its former self active sub wise (people who actully get online more then once a month). So my statements remain true.
Let's not even beat around the bush here.
This new model is the revenge of the "casual" adults on nerdy highschool kids, as they once were, who devote and can devote much more time than they can.
Originally posted by ikarrian Correct me if i'm wrong, But isnt Rift released after 2005? And as i can remember, you can change ur classes.
You can level all the classes on the same character to the cap and change to any of them by a press of a single button? That's the first time I've heard you can do that in Rift.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Originally posted by xenomonk123 This game is terrible, as many have said before, it's simply another tab targetted combat fedex quests game with a storyline. Cool, good graphics. Wow... Next.
The funny thing is people think the other games coming out will be something new and amazing. TESO, Archage, ect are all going to be exactly the same action combat game with some gimic in them to try to "Revolutionize" the genre. Aka a sales pitch to try to get people to try it out.
XIV from everything I seen has a higher chance of long term success then any of the other "Big" mmos coming out on the horizon. Higher quality story and graphics, more content variety, simply more content at launch the other new mmos, bigger financial backing for updates and expansions.
The funny part is for the majority of the mmo players tab target > action mmo. And you cannot disagree with that because far far more people are playing the tab target games then the new action mmos. Honestly the action mmos seem to be doing fairly poorly atm.
Is the action mmo scene expanding yes, but currently the tab target games player wise is still over 80% of the total mmo genre. There are many people who plain hate the action mmos. This mmo is not for someone who wants the action style game. Final Fantasy Traditionally is not a series for someone who wants the action style game. (Will see if Verses/FFXV works with that style)
As for pointless questing to level up name 1 mmo made post WoW that does not have them, that is a AAA title and is successful. It is what the genre is now. I personally hate it but it is what the mmo has become. Thankyou WoW.......... That is also the great part of XIV this game is not designed to be only pointless leveling quest... they are there for an option. There are many other methods of getting XP. Honestly you cannot even fully level a character (all classes) on quest alone because there is not enough, and it was done intentionally.
As for the many saying it is terrible.. That many is the vast minority. most are either saying it is average/above average or really good.
To sum it up this will be a game for people who want to play a Final Fantasy MMO in the modern casual mmo style. If you do not want to play a Final Fantasy game you will probably say it is horrible. Just like there are millions who say Final Fantasy VII was a horrible game.
This is not overhype in XIV atm. Because the majority went into beta expecting the game to be garbage because of 1.0. So negative hype going into it? The current hype is being caused because the remake is really that good, and people are honestly impressed.
Why is the majority of every new triple-A MMO coming out with some sort of action type combat? I assure you business executives do not make money on things people do not want. Its part of the laws of economics.
It is the new fad. Business leaders bet on market trends more or less. The ones making action mmos are trying to guess where the market is going. XIV is taking the other approach and making what has been proven that people like. One is high risk one is safe. High risk could pay off big, or you could have it where the game fails in every region of the world like some other action mmos have been doing.
It is like the auto industry and making the electic car. It could pay off massive in the future or it could fail. But making a good old high poluting gas car is a sure fire way to have success in that market now.
It is fact that there are far more people not playing action mmos then are playing them.
It is also fact that every Action mmo that has come out has lost the majority of their subs within a year. GW2 is probably the most successful so far and even that game is a shadow of its former self active sub wise (people who actully get online more then once a month). So my statements remain true.
Wrong business executives do not bet millions of dollars on a new fad. In fact common knowledge amongst even the most ignorant MMO players will understand that the MMO genre has grown stale....the reason, because taking grandiose risks are against the norm.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Originally posted by xenomonk123 This game is terrible, as many have said before, it's simply another tab targetted combat fedex quests game with a storyline. Cool, good graphics. Wow... Next.
What a surprise, sandbox fans don't like FF14.
Yes it's a themepark (and a good one), so live with it !
I love themeparks and I think the game is horrible. Mainly because it brings nothing new to the genre like say GW2 or even SWTOR did.
Those weren't good games in my opinion. I played both. I don't care "what they brought to the genre". I play games to have entertain myself, why do you play games?
Are you planning on building an MMO and you need new feature ideas? I'm really curious because I see you talk a lot about "if this is the type of sandbox you like then you are wrong!", and "this is outdated MMO's need ____". What is with the crusade?
You don't like a game, you don't play it. No one here wants to play your ideal MMO but you, so stop talking to us like you are this authority on what is enjoyable to everyone else.
Never said I was the authority but like you with me I do not want to see the same crap being parotted around and passed as fact.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Originally posted by xenomonk123 This game is terrible, as many have said before, it's simply another tab targetted combat fedex quests game with a storyline. Cool, good graphics. Wow... Next.
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Wrong business executives do not bet millions of dollars on a new fad. In fact common knowledge amongst even the most ignorant MMO players will understand that the MMO genre has grown stale....the reason, because taking grandiose risks are against the norm.
They absolutely do. Businesses are always trying to be ahead of the curve so they can get the biggest piece of the market they can on what they predict the market will be. Sure, they do tons of research, and it's a calculated risk, but it's a risk nonetheless. Video game companies fail all the time because the risk they took bottoms out, especially newer companies.
Originally posted by xenomonk123 This game is terrible, as many have said before, it's simply another tab targetted combat fedex quests game with a storyline. Cool, good graphics. Wow... Next.
What a surprise, sandbox fans don't like FF14.
Yes it's a themepark (and a good one), so live with it !
I love themeparks and I think the game is horrible. Mainly because it brings nothing new to the genre like say GW2 or even SWTOR did.
Those weren't good games in my opinion. I played both. I don't care "what they brought to the genre". I play games to have entertain myself, why do you play games?
Are you planning on building an MMO and you need new feature ideas? I'm really curious because I see you talk a lot about "if this is the type of sandbox you like then you are wrong!", and "this is outdated MMO's need ____". What is with the crusade?
You don't like a game, you don't play it. No one here wants to play your ideal MMO but you, so stop talking to us like you are this authority on what is enjoyable to everyone else.
Never said I was the authority but like you with me I do not want to see the same crap being parotted around and passed as fact.
No you're wrong about me, I'm not the one waging a crusade here. I don't think others opinions are crap, and I don't care if you get some no-content having sandbox that just lets you LIVE in that virtual reality you so desparately want. I don't go around telling you that is stupid, that it isn't even a real game. Maybe EQNext will be that for you (plus you can create your own stuff and sell it on an RMT auction), it doesn't get more sandbox than that.
I am as disenchanted with the sandbox genre that never delivers an enjoyable experience for me as you clearly are with themeparks (despite saying things like you like __ and __ more because at least they INNOVATE). They are empty, unsatisfying games where I have to "make my own reasons for playing". Like becoming the richest person, or being the douchiest person on the entire server and become infamous, or role play as some profession not even related to conflict, to defeating any great threat, but I'm an "entertainer" and there is no point to that but I can sing songs and buff people and it is unique and new to me. I know you think that kind of stuff is fun, to me it sounds like you are trying to replace reality with a pseudo reality just so you can do things you could have done in your real life if you want(ed) too.
I like killing dragons, and saving the world, and doing it all with friends in a setting that I care about with a character I am attached to and progress. I would never play a game that I didn't enjoy, and I have no opinion or interest in further debating what you see as stagnation in innovative design features in MMO's these days. Innovation does not make a game good. If someone has never played an MMO before they don't care how "innovative" it is.
"Newness" is only a quantifiable value of quality to someone who is generally dissatisfied with something, as you clearly seem to be with MMORPG's. FFXIV is its own game and people are going to play it or not based on that. Not your essays and lamentations over the industry as a whole and analysis of the "laws of economics" or whatever other irrelevant and scattered theories of yours you want to throw at this forum.
But there's a period of time in which you can't use beta characters in the new servers, right?
Not as far as i know. Any characters created in open beta are playable as soon as the servers go live.
Basically after the end of open beta, lets say 3 weeks before launch (just a guess) servers will go down for final patches. Probably 1 week or so before official start (which is August 27) the servers will go live for the headstart phase (those who preordered can access the servers at this phase, not sure about 1.0 players but my bet is them too). You can use your open beta character from this point on since its on your account.
Not sure if youre confusing this with legacy characters from 1.0 which will only be playable on certain worlds but with no time limit ie. also available in open beta and as soon as servers go live for the headstart/official start.
But there's a period of time in which you can't use beta characters in the new servers, right?
Not as far as i know. Any characters created in open beta are playable as soon as the servers go live.
Basically after the end of open beta, lets say 3 weeks before launch (just a guess) servers will go down for final patches. Probably 1 week or so before official start (which is August 27) the servers will go live for the headstart phase (those who preordered can access the servers at this phase, not sure about 1.0 players but my bet is them too). You can use your open beta character from this point on since its on your account.
Not sure if youre confusing this with legacy characters from 1.0 which will only be playable on certain worlds but with no time limit ie. also available in open beta and as soon as servers go live for the headstart/official start.
FF14:ARR is a solid, fun game. FUN! I liked it a lot. I miss the "Old fashioned" MMOs.
For years they have tried to come up with new stuff, and I always get bored after a short while. Be it combat thats new, or even new questing style. I really like the old MMO games. This is a return to them. I canrt wait for Open Beta!
To those saying ridiculous things like FFXIV is the same old same old, obviously have no experience with the genre.
I have played almost every MMO under the sun, both sandbox, theme park, free to play, pay to play, etc, including major ones like WoW, and for a beta that has many features unavailable, FFXIV: ARR is already one the best MMOs I have ever played.
I'm going to go through these ridiculous complaints people are making. Before I do, I should make it clear I am not speaking as a fangirl. I am speaking as someone that has a ton of experience in MMORPGs, and yes I made my account the other day just to post for this game. I have been using this site for years, but just never became a member. This is the first MMO that sparked me to do so. People also forget that in this beta many things are made easier for testing purposes so it is easier for players to progress for testing. On top of that, it is suppose to be easier for the first 15 levels or so. The game is designed to cater to both casual gamers and hardcore. On top of that people need to look at the game as a whole. It's presentation.
Complaint #1: FFXIV has the same questing system that has been done time and time again, kill x, fetch this, etc.
My response: FFXIV takes the MMO basics, plus features that have been done in other MMOs, BUT it does them better. The questing system in this game is very varied. There are multiple questing systems presenting different styles of questing. Aside from basic questing (an MMORPG staple, just like how people FPS games involve shooting others), you have levequests, guildhests, grand company quests, free company quests, and the excellent story quests which are more immersive and well made when compared to other MMO's story quests. Killing mobs and completing quests/objectives IS the MMORPG genre, just like shooting others in FPS/TPS games is why they are shooters. It's how the games do it that makes things a little refreshing, but the core mechanics are the same for the genre. Sure, you can argue WoW or other MMOs do it better because they make it easier to track/find quest markers and where you have to go. Some people don't like their hands to be held, while others do. I can't say one is better than the other. It's a minor problem.
Complaint #2: Combat is too easy
My response: It's beta, and most making that claim are not even beyond level 20 yet, and those that are are forgetting the beta is purposely made easier with no end game content available yet as of time of writing this. Questing doesn't even go beyond 30 yet. Yoshida already said there will be very hardcore content in the game. People are jumping to conclusions about stuff they have never tried yet, and easier beta difficulty in general compared to release.
Complaint #3: Game should be free to play.
My response: If you're old enough to have a job and not disabled, you have bigger things to worry about than playing this. If you're disabled, you can get government assistance to pay for your bills, plus a little extra each month to spend on leisure/entertainment. I can't speak for other countries as I'm unsure of how many countries have such an option.
Complaint #4: FFXIV does nothing revolutionary
My response: This is where you are wrong. FFXIV: ARR takes familiar MMO features and does them better, plus adding features post-release that are new to the MMORPG genre, like the Gold Saucer like mini-game attraction park, which is just one more thing to keep you entertained if you're tired of questing, fighting mobs, and crafting. There will be in-depth player housing. There's so many aspects to the housing they are implementing that there's too much to list as this post isn't about that. Let's just say it's your typical tacked on housing of other MMOs. It will have more purpose in ARR with ability bonuses, plus neighborhoods, building house from ground up, chocobo stall for raising and breeding your chocobos, and being able to buy or sale houses. They are revolutionizing player housing in this game. Let's look at crafting, another MMO feature that has been done time and time again. FFXIV's crafting system actually makes me want to craft as compared to other MMOs. They even have their own classes. They have revolutionized crafting with this game.
Complaint #5: The graphics are horrible for PS3.
My response: If you are judging a game based on graphics rather than gameplay, you really shouldn't be playing games. The graphics aren't going to affect my gameplay, and they aren't terrible graphics anyways.
There are more complaints, but I am covering the main ones. Now I am going to point out some key things that make this MMORPG a very high quality MMO. Many things have been done in past MMOs, but not as well or fun, while some is new. Take CoD Modern Warfare 3 for example, it had the same stuff that has been done in other FPS game, and that's because that is what makes it a FPS, BUT it did them better, or with new ideas or approach to similar concepts. It's the same with ARR. The minion system is the only thing that is not done better or different than past MMOs.
#8 Plenty of quest system variations (I'm not saying no other MMO had various quest systems, but fewer do than those those that don't. The norm does not include a plethora of quest systems.)
#9 The way they ease you into the game is done at a perfect pace, without being too confusing, and without piling on too much text or info at once.
and more . . .
Ultimately, ARR is easily one of the best MMOs out there even before the other features are made available, AND still in beta with limits. That's saying a lot. Fast forward this game years forward so it has had as much time to grow as games like WoW, and it's easy to realize this is going to be an MMO juggernaut. If I had to bet on any MMO being the next big MMO on the success level of WoW, this is one I would bet on. Sadly, I believe the original release of FFXIV will prevent this from happening due to people refusing to try this as a result, but going by quality it is superb. Plus the developers are very active in their relationship with the players and making this game as good as they can based on the feedback. Sure, they can't do everything requested, but they have listened and done a lot compared to most developers. This is a good sign for the future.
You addressed none of the issues I had with the game. And things being said like the highlighted example above is why it's going to be funny watching the train derail, not because I want the game to fail. I came into beta with high hopes. I grew up with FF and other Square classics. Things just seem to not be the same with that Enix tacked on at the end. Just look at FFXVI. I died a little inside.
Look, you obviously misread my text. That, or you are essentially saying that WoW is a higher quality game, which is ludicrous. You also failed to read the fast forward part so the game can then be on equal ground with WoW for 'amount' of content. I also never saw what your issues were as my post was not even replying to you solely. I was speaking to complainers in general that say ARR is the same and nothing new. The only thing that could keep ARR back is FFXIV's original disastrous release, and people that want to go in hating it as a result and immediately judge it as a clone of a past MMO. So no I am not claiming it will be a WoW killer, even though tons of WoW players playing the beta have already decided to convert to ARR upon release. It would still take a miracle due to the FFXIV stigma, but the quality is what I'm speaking on.
It's easy to find tons of highly stylized, carefully planned screenshots taken by SquareEnix themselves, but it's more rare to find screens from the average player's perspective.
Here's some shots I took as an "average player", which I think look quite nice and capture ARR's beauty wonderfully... Mileage may vary, of course...
A ride past Limsa Lominsa at sunset...
Perched upon my Chocobo with some lake Ruins (unearthed during the Calamity) behind me.
Looking up at a massive fragment of Dalamud towering into the Eorzean night sky, in a ravaged corner of the Twelveswood.
Combing the beach with my companion Chocobo, with Costa del Sol peeking out behind a large cliff.
Originally posted by ikarrian Correct me if i'm wrong, But isnt Rift released after 2005? And as i can remember, you can change ur classes.
You can level all the classes on the same character to the cap and change to any of them by a press of a single button? That's the first time I've heard you can do that in Rift.
Yeah, it's not the same, but it is similar. In Rift there are 4 main classes with sub-roles. You can build and configure those sub-roles and switch them (and your gear) with a single hotbar button (created through the macro system).
Some players have data-mined recently added files and found that there are 4 new roles being added which will let every class function in every role. Each class performs the role differently and some classes have greater diversity in how they can build their roles.
One of the main differences is you only level your class. All roles are leveled with your class.
I don't know if I'd call that similar to ARR's system, so much as I'd call it an expanded version of WoW's Spec trees.
Just as a 'Destro' Warlock and a Demonologist Warlock in WoW are still Warlocks, just with different playstyles, a Warrior in Rift is still a Warrior, regardless of what souls they equip. You can never switch from Priest to Warrior to Scout to Mage. You have to create an alt to do that.
ARR allows you to play literally any class or job in the game on the same character, in essence rendering the need for alts moot.
That said, I really enjoyed Rift's system when I played it. Very nice evolution of the Class/Spec system.
I think FFXIV ARR's class system is more akin to TSW's horizontal character development, then to either WoW's and Rift's systems, just not taken to the extreme that TSW does.
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Those weren't good games in my opinion. I played both. I don't care "what they brought to the genre". I play games to have entertain myself, why do you play games?
Are you planning on building an MMO and you need new feature ideas? I'm really curious because I see you talk a lot about "if this is the type of sandbox you like then you are wrong!", and "this is outdated MMO's need ____". What is with the crusade?
You don't like a game, you don't play it. No one here wants to play your ideal MMO but you, so stop talking to us like you are this authority on what is enjoyable to everyone else.
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characters will be wiped in closed beta... any chance characters will NOT be wiped in OPEN beta?
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Both games (GW2 and SWTOR) have a cool levelling, but have also a ridiculous end-game.
FF14 will have plenty of things to do at max lvl, so to me ARR is a clear winner.
Wildstar looks good. I watched a youtube vid and I was impressed with the mechanics, combat, bosses, I mean really about everything an MMO has to offer.
I just can't get attached to a cartoony, little gumby guy for some reason.
EQNext? Well, there's a game I haven't heard of.
Couldn't disagree more! As one who has played with a gamepad on every MMO that offers it, Yoshi and his team has done something great for consoles and those who like to play with gamepads! FFXI was ok when it came to using the gamepad, but the layout and functionality of the gamepad in FFXIV ARR is the best I have seen EVER! I can do almost everything without the use of keyboard and mouse when it comes to combat, movement and manipulating the windows.
There is no arguing the fact that Yoshi has taken the theme park design of others before, he even stated many times he was going to to that. What they have done they have done well. The game engine functions better than almost all MMOs before it. What FFXIV does differently is it is Final Fantasy! It tells a story that those who love FF love it for doing so. The world is beautiful and inviting. It has much of what made FFXI famous still intact, like Limit Breaks, class and subclass options and unlocks, and much more.
Where it lacks luster is it may have added too much of the theme park (WoWesc) feel to it. I really don't care for the quest tracker and (!) (?) floating around everywhere. There needed to be an improvement over what XI offered, but in all honesty I liked the fact in XI I had to think about and figure out my quests, instead of an idiot proof function leading me to each quest.
I would say, graphics/atmosphere, art style and sound are each a step forward in the mmo genre, but then combat is three steps backwards. Which leaves it at a neutral position (for me). I will keep playing the beta, but probably nothing more.
never be enough
You got me. I won't even correct it, and we will leave your post here so that all can see it.
Bummer, this is definitely going to stress me out later. It's a good thing I have ARR to forward to this weekend, it really relaxes the muscles.
It is the new fad. Business leaders bet on market trends more or less. The ones making action mmos are trying to guess where the market is going. XIV is taking the other approach and making what has been proven that people like. One is high risk one is safe. High risk could pay off big, or you could have it where the game fails in every region of the world like some other action mmos have been doing.
It is like the auto industry and making the electic car. It could pay off massive in the future or it could fail. But making a good old high poluting gas car is a sure fire way to have success in that market now.
It is fact that there are far more people not playing action mmos then are playing them.
It is also fact that every Action mmo that has come out has lost the majority of their subs within a year. GW2 is probably the most successful so far and even that game is a shadow of its former self active sub wise (people who actully get online more then once a month). So my statements remain true.
Yeah, let me just change my class on the same character in any post-2005 MMO.....Oh wait, that's not possible.
Let's not even beat around the bush here.
This new model is the revenge of the "casual" adults on nerdy highschool kids, as they once were, who devote and can devote much more time than they can.
You can level all the classes on the same character to the cap and change to any of them by a press of a single button? That's the first time I've heard you can do that in Rift.
Wrong business executives do not bet millions of dollars on a new fad. In fact common knowledge amongst even the most ignorant MMO players will understand that the MMO genre has grown stale....the reason, because taking grandiose risks are against the norm.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Never said I was the authority but like you with me I do not want to see the same crap being parotted around and passed as fact.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Yes. 100% chance in fact. It has been confirmed that open beta characters will be carried over to the release.
http://gdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/download/en/FFXIV_2.0_BETA_Roadmap_EN.pdf
They absolutely do. Businesses are always trying to be ahead of the curve so they can get the biggest piece of the market they can on what they predict the market will be. Sure, they do tons of research, and it's a calculated risk, but it's a risk nonetheless. Video game companies fail all the time because the risk they took bottoms out, especially newer companies.
No you're wrong about me, I'm not the one waging a crusade here. I don't think others opinions are crap, and I don't care if you get some no-content having sandbox that just lets you LIVE in that virtual reality you so desparately want. I don't go around telling you that is stupid, that it isn't even a real game. Maybe EQNext will be that for you (plus you can create your own stuff and sell it on an RMT auction), it doesn't get more sandbox than that.
I am as disenchanted with the sandbox genre that never delivers an enjoyable experience for me as you clearly are with themeparks (despite saying things like you like __ and __ more because at least they INNOVATE). They are empty, unsatisfying games where I have to "make my own reasons for playing". Like becoming the richest person, or being the douchiest person on the entire server and become infamous, or role play as some profession not even related to conflict, to defeating any great threat, but I'm an "entertainer" and there is no point to that but I can sing songs and buff people and it is unique and new to me. I know you think that kind of stuff is fun, to me it sounds like you are trying to replace reality with a pseudo reality just so you can do things you could have done in your real life if you want(ed) too.
I like killing dragons, and saving the world, and doing it all with friends in a setting that I care about with a character I am attached to and progress. I would never play a game that I didn't enjoy, and I have no opinion or interest in further debating what you see as stagnation in innovative design features in MMO's these days. Innovation does not make a game good. If someone has never played an MMO before they don't care how "innovative" it is.
"Newness" is only a quantifiable value of quality to someone who is generally dissatisfied with something, as you clearly seem to be with MMORPG's. FFXIV is its own game and people are going to play it or not based on that. Not your essays and lamentations over the industry as a whole and analysis of the "laws of economics" or whatever other irrelevant and scattered theories of yours you want to throw at this forum.
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But there's a period of time in which you can't use beta characters in the new servers, right?
Not as far as i know. Any characters created in open beta are playable as soon as the servers go live.
Basically after the end of open beta, lets say 3 weeks before launch (just a guess) servers will go down for final patches. Probably 1 week or so before official start (which is August 27) the servers will go live for the headstart phase (those who preordered can access the servers at this phase, not sure about 1.0 players but my bet is them too). You can use your open beta character from this point on since its on your account.
Not sure if youre confusing this with legacy characters from 1.0 which will only be playable on certain worlds but with no time limit ie. also available in open beta and as soon as servers go live for the headstart/official start.
Ah, that's probably what I was thinking of.
FF14:ARR is a solid, fun game. FUN! I liked it a lot. I miss the "Old fashioned" MMOs.
For years they have tried to come up with new stuff, and I always get bored after a short while. Be it combat thats new, or even new questing style. I really like the old MMO games. This is a return to them. I canrt wait for Open Beta!
Look, you obviously misread my text. That, or you are essentially saying that WoW is a higher quality game, which is ludicrous. You also failed to read the fast forward part so the game can then be on equal ground with WoW for 'amount' of content. I also never saw what your issues were as my post was not even replying to you solely. I was speaking to complainers in general that say ARR is the same and nothing new. The only thing that could keep ARR back is FFXIV's original disastrous release, and people that want to go in hating it as a result and immediately judge it as a clone of a past MMO. So no I am not claiming it will be a WoW killer, even though tons of WoW players playing the beta have already decided to convert to ARR upon release. It would still take a miracle due to the FFXIV stigma, but the quality is what I'm speaking on.
Here's some shots I took as an "average player", which I think look quite nice and capture ARR's beauty wonderfully... Mileage may vary, of course...
A ride past Limsa Lominsa at sunset...
Perched upon my Chocobo with some lake Ruins (unearthed during the Calamity) behind me.
Looking up at a massive fragment of Dalamud towering into the Eorzean night sky, in a ravaged corner of the Twelveswood.
Combing the beach with my companion Chocobo, with Costa del Sol peeking out behind a large cliff.
I don't know if I'd call that similar to ARR's system, so much as I'd call it an expanded version of WoW's Spec trees.
Just as a 'Destro' Warlock and a Demonologist Warlock in WoW are still Warlocks, just with different playstyles, a Warrior in Rift is still a Warrior, regardless of what souls they equip. You can never switch from Priest to Warrior to Scout to Mage. You have to create an alt to do that.
ARR allows you to play literally any class or job in the game on the same character, in essence rendering the need for alts moot.
That said, I really enjoyed Rift's system when I played it. Very nice evolution of the Class/Spec system.