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  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Member UncommonPosts: 3,713
    Originally posted by flizzer
    Wow, all this distrust of a 10-yr old.  I suppose I would sooner believe a father who is concerned enough to post in a forum and be upset over this understands and watches his child.  My initial reaction was not this must be a lying and deceitful child, but the father needs to ask SOE specifically what was done and narrow down the problem and go from there.  Maybe I'm just naive. I have a 9-yr old nephew, not much younger, who is years away from understanding anything about hacking or getting on to porn sites, so there are some kids who are not wise in the ways of the world yet. 

    Problem is, we were all kids. And we all know our parents view of what we know was never accurate. Kids are getting pregnant at 12yrs old and you think they can be trusted?

    Not going to say there aren't some good kids out there. But even the good ones can easily get into trouble. Especially when they are so young they don't realize there are consequences yet.

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  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270
    Originally posted by flizzer
    Wow, all this distrust of a 10-yr old.  I suppose I would sooner believe a father who is concerned enough to post in a forum and be upset over this understands and watches his child.  My initial reaction was not this must be a lying and deceitful child, but the father needs to ask SOE specifically what was done and narrow down the problem and go from there.  Maybe I'm just naive. I have a 9-yr old nephew, not much younger, who is years away from understanding anything about hacking or getting on to porn sites, so there are some kids who are not wise in the ways of the world yet. 

    That would involve admitting to SoE that a 10 year old was using the account, which is against the EULA and would probably result in a ban anyway.

  • SarykSaryk Member UncommonPosts: 476
    Originally posted by neorandom

    there is no "club of gamers banned for no reason"  its only the "club of gamers banned for cheating but in denial".

     

    you know what you did, you knew it was wrong, you got caught, suck it up and take your punishment.  standing somewhere the enemy cant get to you too retaliate isnt good gameplay, its an exploit, just becuase that map has faulty pathing doesnt mean you are magically allowed to exploit it.  dupeing your items and money because of a bug is not okay, its against the eula.  

     

    your kid is a piece of sh*t, he deserves his ban.

    You might want to really think about some kind of mental help, seriously.

  • DemenshaDemensha Member UncommonPosts: 76

    Originally posted by lolunatic
    kids shouldnt play mmos its like giving heroin to a 10 year old.

    Tell that to the 10 year old cancer patient who just wants the pain to go away.

     

    Originally posted by waynejr2
    How do you know that your kid didn't play at a friends house?

    How do you know he did? 

     

  • OmaliOmali MMO Business CorrespondentMember UncommonPosts: 1,175
    Originally posted by Saryk

    You were someone on a computer. My son plays football, Xbox, takes guitar lessons (why I have no idea). But he or his friends have no clue about computers, none.  I understand being skeptical, i really do.


    When I was twelve I had already cracked my family's AOL accounts, phished the email accounts and passwords of every teacher in my school, mapped out the school's IP address system and built in a method for people to instant message each other, discovered a dozen ways to bypass the filter, and figured out how to write simple programs to flood the principal's computer specifically with net requests.

    And this was on a time budget of only being allowed to spend an hour each day on the computer, next to trumpet lessons, chorus, and other clubs I was part of. As far as my parents knew, I had no idea how a computer worked outside of email.

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  • faxnadufaxnadu Member UncommonPosts: 940
    yea but you dont always know what your children are up to, sorry to say but i got quite alot of " My Son " from your post. so because this is yours dont meant he cant do bad things no matter what you have teach and told him.
  • OmaliOmali MMO Business CorrespondentMember UncommonPosts: 1,175
    Originally posted by faxnadu
    yea but you dont always know what your children are up to, sorry to say but i got quite alot of " My Son " from your post. so because this is yours dont meant he cant do bad things no matter what you have teach and told him.

    The biggest bullies in my school always had parents like the OP.

    "I know my son and he would never do anything like that!" After their little angel was suspended for beating the crap out of someone and shoving them in a locker.

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  • faxnadufaxnadu Member UncommonPosts: 940
    Originally posted by Omali
    Originally posted by faxnadu
    yea but you dont always know what your children are up to, sorry to say but i got quite alot of " My Son " from your post. so because this is yours dont meant he cant do bad things no matter what you have teach and told him.

    The biggest bullies in my school always had parents like the OP.

    "I know my son and he would never do anything like that!" After their little angel was suspended for beating the crap out of someone and shoving them in a locker.

    excatly this and i can second that was the case in my youth aswell with bullies.

  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,768
    Originally posted by Omali
    Originally posted by faxnadu
    yea but you dont always know what your children are up to, sorry to say but i got quite alot of " My Son " from your post. so because this is yours dont meant he cant do bad things no matter what you have teach and told him.

    The biggest bullies in my school always had parents like the OP.

    "I know my son and he would never do anything like that!" After their little angel was suspended for beating the crap out of someone and shoving them in a locker.

     We had a guy like that in my brothers class whose parents would always say the kid was innocent and good.   He went to jail for committing murder.  Wonder if anything could have been done earlier...

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  • HokieHokie Member UncommonPosts: 1,063

    You know whats funny.

     

    When I was 14 my mom asked me if I was smoking. Nope, not me I said.

    Then I got in trouble by busting the window out on a garage over summer break. (I was bored and was hitting rocks with a baseball bat, I really didnt mean to). No mom I didnt do it. You taught me better.

    Ended up going to court and the guy who testified that he saw me do it said he knew who I was because I used to sneak into this little patch of woods between the properties and smoke.

     

    Bless my mom she defended me and took my side, gave the stink eye to that neighbor everytime she seen him. I mean how could he lie and get her son 40 hours of community service.

    I was a 1/2 pack a day smoker by then. Hell I think I was 1/2 a pack by the time I was 13.

     

    Gotta love your parents, cause we'll always be their little angles.

     

    Should I tell you the story about the time she asked if I was doing drugs, specifically weed? (weed ha!, by then I had done my first acid trip)...

     

    I love my mom.

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  • IncomparableIncomparable Member UncommonPosts: 1,120

    Imo, there is no such thing as in game exploit that is a bannable offense. 

    The devs created the game for players to use. They are using what the devs created for the maximum reward without any extra programs. Therefore its not the fault of the customer what so ever.

    I have played MMOs and know how they treat exploiters, and avoid exploiting nonetheless to avoid the hassle, and since the benefit of the exploit is a useless reward of more money or power lvling which takes away the object of some story based MMOs with some interesting aspects introduced throughout the lvling process such as unique quests/exploration/dungeons.

    So imo, its not the fault of the user. And the devs should take more responsibility for their actions. So if the ban was on an exploit during the game, then its SOE trying to show they have rules, but these rules are based on mistakes they created and then try to pretend there is no exploit by punishing people. 

    The right thing for SOE to do is to retro actively fix the benefits of the exploits and remove the effect. Instead of just banning people. Its lazy of them, and they are treating customers the wrong way only because its perceived as a business norm, when as stated they created that problem in the first place.

    Its basically entrapment.

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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 3,857

    While you all go on and one about kids will be kids and keep saying its 100% his son lying you might want to think about some facts like:

     

    *not all apples are rotten

    *not everyone has the same upbringing as you all had

    * just because you tell a little white lie doesn't mean you lie all the time

    *people tend to expect peeps to behave like they behave.

      Take for example most thieves are very paranoid about being robbed, most liars think everyone else is a lair just like most honest people don't walk around expecting to be shot, mugged, lied to or  beat that day.

     

    I could go on but I think I have made my point. It's not a question of being naive but rather about making a choice about how you want to view life.

     

    You can wake up every morning thinking  you will have a shitty day and more than likely  have it happen as you are setting yourself up for one or you can wake up thinking it will be a good one.

     

    You don't just influence your life and the people around by your actions but also by how you think of them be it virtually or in person.

     

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  • ResertonReserton Member Posts: 52
    Originally posted by flizzer
    Wow, all this distrust of a 10-yr old.  I suppose I would sooner believe a father who is concerned enough to post in a forum and be upset over this understands and watches his child.  My initial reaction was not this must be a lying and deceitful child, but the father needs to ask SOE specifically what was done and narrow down the problem and go from there.  Maybe I'm just naive. I have a 9-yr old nephew, not much younger, who is years away from understanding anything about hacking or getting on to porn sites, so there are some kids who are not wise in the ways of the world yet. 

    Once again, like the op, you "Think" he does not. Stop acting like because you are related you have some sort of fucking psychic ability to know everything your damn child relatives know and can do.

    Like other people have said, at 10 years old I knew how to hack a game like almost any other person sitting with me in the computer room at school, I did not even own a computer and I could do it.

    I would bet a big wad of cash that the child did it.

    Op needs to stop being willfully blind to his child.

  • PurutzilPurutzil Member UncommonPosts: 3,048
    Honestly, ask what its about directly to see. No offense, but just cause its your child doesn't mean they didn't do it.  Just see what its a bad. Bans happen for a REASON. Whether its a false flag or something else, people don't just get randomly flagged for no reason.
  • KatrarKatrar Member Posts: 168
    Great, another parent whose child can do no wrong. If your son was guilty, hoo boy you're setting yourself up for major future pain. If he was innocent you've lost out on a teachable moment that didn't have to involve rage quitting.
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 3,857
    Originally posted by Reserton
    Originally posted by flizzer
    Wow, all this distrust of a 10-yr old.  I suppose I would sooner believe a father who is concerned enough to post in a forum and be upset over this understands and watches his child.  My initial reaction was not this must be a lying and deceitful child, but the father needs to ask SOE specifically what was done and narrow down the problem and go from there.  Maybe I'm just naive. I have a 9-yr old nephew, not much younger, who is years away from understanding anything about hacking or getting on to porn sites, so there are some kids who are not wise in the ways of the world yet. 

    Once again, like the op, you "Think" he does not. Stop acting like because you are related you have some sort of fucking psychic ability to know everything your damn child relatives know and can do.

    Like other people have said, at 10 years old I knew how to hack a game like almost any other person sitting with me in the computer room at school, I did not even own a computer and I could do it.

    I would bet a big wad of cash that the child did it.

    Op needs to stop being willfully blind to his child.

    Maybe follow your own advice and stop "blindly" believing  the worse of  people all the time. Or do you maybe have some  psychic ability we should all be aware of ? You reached out across the cosmos like Charles Xavier from X-MEN and reached into this childs mind and saw he was lying to his dad!!!

     

    Very Impressive do you do any other tricks?

     

     

    It's possible the kid did lie but it also possible he didn't, there is no way any of us can know this one way or the other. Dad should have used this moment to teach his son something better than what he chose though.

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • scracascraca Member Posts: 45
         I have been running a gaming community for over 10 years. We have over 500 active members. I have been playing MMO's for over 15 years. Know how many times I have been banned? ZERO. Know how many of my members have been banned for no reason? ZERO. We play every MMO under the sun. Just by looking at those odds do you really think your son was banned for no reason at all? Sure it is possible. But  I highly doubt it.
  • ResertonReserton Member Posts: 52
    Originally posted by Asm0deus
    Originally posted by Reserton
    Originally posted by flizzer
    Wow, all this distrust of a 10-yr old.  I suppose I would sooner believe a father who is concerned enough to post in a forum and be upset over this understands and watches his child.  My initial reaction was not this must be a lying and deceitful child, but the father needs to ask SOE specifically what was done and narrow down the problem and go from there.  Maybe I'm just naive. I have a 9-yr old nephew, not much younger, who is years away from understanding anything about hacking or getting on to porn sites, so there are some kids who are not wise in the ways of the world yet. 

    Once again, like the op, you "Think" he does not. Stop acting like because you are related you have some sort of fucking psychic ability to know everything your damn child relatives know and can do.

    Like other people have said, at 10 years old I knew how to hack a game like almost any other person sitting with me in the computer room at school, I did not even own a computer and I could do it.

    I would bet a big wad of cash that the child did it.

    Op needs to stop being willfully blind to his child.

    Maybe follow your own advice and stop "blindly" believing  the worse of  people all the time. Or do you maybe have some  psychic ability we should all be aware of ? You reached out across the cosmos like Charles Xavier from X-MEN and reached into this childs mind and saw he was lying to his dad!!!

     

    Very Impressive do you do any other tricks?

     

     

    It's possible the kid did lie but it also possible he didn't, there is no way any of us can know this one way or the other. Dad should have used this moment to teach his son something better than what he chose though.

    Except on one hand you have Sony who detected hacking activity on the account, and the other the word of a child to his dad who in his words thinks hackers are worse then navel dirt,I think I will go with Sony thanks.

    You think any child would EVER admit to their dad they fucking done something that their dad looks down on so much? 

    All the child will be thinking is "if I tell him I done it my dad will hate me, and think I am scum" because of his dads opinion which he has obviously drilled into his son going from the first post.

    I bet if his dad went and actually done some proper parenting his son might actually be able to admit he done it.

    Also I said I would bet he did it, and I did NOT say I knew for certain he did, I told him to stop being willfully blind, which by saying "he said he did not do it, so he did not do it"  is exactly what he is doing.

     

  • KatrarKatrar Member Posts: 168
    Originally posted by Asm0deus
    It's possible the kid did lie but it also possible he didn't, there is no way any of us can know this one way or the other. Dad should have used this moment to teach his son something better than what he chose though.

    This is kind of the point, imo. No way to know for sure if the kid cheated, but 11 year olds make poor decisions all the time, whether or not blind parents would like to acknowledge the possibility (I LOL'ed at the "my kid would nevah evah do this!!!!#@!!!"). As a parent I can imagine what my response would be to a similar situation. I'd take the opportunity to explain why companies take cheating so seriously, and cushion it with the fact that sometimes they do make mistakes.

    Instead we have a terrible example of MMO-centric parenting, even if the kid is in fact innocent.

    The 5 year old post makes this all even more ludicrous if it was in fact referring to the same kid. Who lets their 5 year old play EQ? And who in their right mind doesn't think that a kid who has played multiple AAA MMO's since he was 5 years old "doesn't know anything about computers". Craziness.

  • sexypanda198sexypanda198 Member Posts: 151
    I have been customer of SOE for 9 years and i have never ever had issue with them and never banned. Sometimes i wonder if people 1. leave out certain info 2. don't have all the info or 3. hate the company and make the whole thing up.

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  • VarthanderVarthander Member UncommonPosts: 466
    Originally posted by f0dell54
    Originally posted by Saryk
    Originally posted by robthemaniac
    Originally posted by Golelorn
    FWIW, I do believe ya OP. Perhaps, the account was hacked. As a father of a 10 year old, he'd have no idea or inclination about getting a hack much less how to install and use it. 

    I hope you don't take such an oblivious approach to all your parenting methods.

    I was using Netbus to hack friends computers and cheating all over the place in Counter Strike when I was 10, and that was 15 years ago, when technology was far less accessible to 10 year olds than it is today, before you could type the question into Google for your answer. 

    I had also discovered online porn and how to hide my access from my parents, how to cheat on homework, and chat rooms via the internet by that age. Just because he is a good kid, doesn't mean he isn't impervious to the temptations around him, especially considering how easy they are to obtain.

    You were someone on a computer. My son plays football, Xbox, takes guitar lessons (why I have no idea). But he or his friends have no clue about computers, none.  I understand being skeptical, i really do. 

     

    It doesn't matter anymore. He is pissed because I view it like the company called him a cheater. So he isn't going to play anymore and neither am I (SOE games).  My intent was not sympathy or a SOE bash. Just watch out, simple enough. There are many good MMOs out there to take this kind of crap, imo. I will call them Tuesday to file a complaint if it helps or not, I have no idea!

     

     

    Here I'll help you.

    Your son is most likely a cheater and a liar. As a parent of 2 children myself I understand that you "want" to believe that your kid would never lie or cheat. Take this as a reality check and realize that your children aren't perfect and they do the same shit that we did as kids.

    Don't take this as anything personal kids will be kids. Or are we still going to keep believing that the boogey man that is SOE is targeting you child out of spite?

    Also, if this is the same son from this post.

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1565405#1565405

    I really question your parenting abilities considering this is from 2007, putting your son at 5 years old.

    Right into the net

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  • MyownGodMyownGod Member UncommonPosts: 205
    Originally posted by Saryk

    My son was banned for 3 to 4 days this Friday. The GM accused my son of using a hack.  One thing I cannot stand is a cheater on a MMO or a multiplayer game,  they are below navel lint. My son knows this and would never  do it, much less know how (only 11).

     

    First my son tells me that he is banned. I look at his email and sure enough, there was a email from SOE. Before I wrote the support I done a scan, nothing.

    My son swears up and down that he never even done it. I believe him without question. So he is banned for 3-4 days, without him doing anything.

     

    I am only putting this here as a warning to you guys. I know some of you may be skeptical (hell I would too). But we as a family are getting rid of our SOE accounts.For a company to do this and show no proof or even say what he was doing, is a company I will not support any longer. We both were subs...........

    Seriously? just for 3-4 days? That's abit harsh to get rid of all the family SOE account. Either way if you son is lying or not and or probably exploiting glitches, he got his punishment "No more DC universe" for a 11 y.o kid, thats kinda sucks.

  • OmaliOmali MMO Business CorrespondentMember UncommonPosts: 1,175
    Originally posted by Incomparable

    Imo, there is no such thing as in game exploit that is a bannable offense. 

    The devs created the game for players to use. They are using what the devs created for the maximum reward without any extra programs. Therefore its not the fault of the customer what so ever.

    I have played MMOs and know how they treat exploiters, and avoid exploiting nonetheless to avoid the hassle, and since the benefit of the exploit is a useless reward of more money or power lvling which takes away the object of some story based MMOs with some interesting aspects introduced throughout the lvling process such as unique quests/exploration/dungeons.

    So imo, its not the fault of the user. And the devs should take more responsibility for their actions. So if the ban was on an exploit during the game, then its SOE trying to show they have rules, but these rules are based on mistakes they created and then try to pretend there is no exploit by punishing people. 

    The right thing for SOE to do is to retro actively fix the benefits of the exploits and remove the effect. Instead of just banning people. Its lazy of them, and they are treating customers the wrong way only because its perceived as a business norm, when as stated they created that problem in the first place.

    Its basically entrapment.

    It's funny how you talk about taking responsibility for your actions when your entire argument is about how users have no responsibility for their actions and therefore shouldn't be banned for exploiting bugs. "It's not my fault I broke the display, they didn't have it behind bullet proof glass so how was I supposed to know that they didn't want me doing that?"

    That excuse stops being valid once you grow out of diapers.

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  • SarykSaryk Member UncommonPosts: 476

    Well it seems that SOE uses software to catch hacks. And it seems there are a lot more people that are having the same problem.

    https://forums.station.sony.com/dcuo/index.php?forums/pc-account-support.22/

    I'll post more when I call them, tomorrow.

  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,226

    All this in actuality does is to show you how little the average user actually knows... Or care to know.

     

    The OP´s son either

     

    A: Actually did muck with the game (in some minor way or this would be a "my son is perma-banned" thread)

    B: Shared his account with one or more friends (this is not uncommon) and they did something bad

    C: A case of mistaken identity (rare but not unknown as a I (capital i and a l  (lower case L) for an exmaple can slip through and someone who has done nothing get a ban)

     

    Any way. To you OP.. Your son got at worst a slap on the wrist and if that is enough to drive both of you from SoE games... How the frak do you manage to get through the day... But by all means it is your life.

     

    But do realize the this can (and will) happen in EVERY on-line game out there. Heck it can happen to ANY on-line service with a EULA... So i guess to be safe you should stop using them completely.

    This have been a good conversation

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