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Originally posted by Manestream I have to agree with you on this, Beta = testing phase and does not cost anything, Release = taking money for playing (e.g subscription/item shops or other income based layouts). To me also, as soon as they start taking money it cannot be classed as any form of BETA, it can and will only be classed as RELEASE.
Agreed, this "Open Beta" label is a complete joke.
PW/Cryptic have taken MMO marketing to new lows. I have to grudgingly admire them for using F2P to its maximum advantage.
Get the Cash Shop working smoothly, we can worry about the actual game later. And if the Cash Shop doesn't generate good returns, we don't even have to worry about wasting time on the game.
I find it very unsettling seeing some posters defending "soft launches".
In fact I'm really hoping that a lot of you are just very young and don't know any better.
Any consumer rights group would have a field day when it comes to MMO's especially the f2p ones.
Lets not pretend that there is nothing illegal going on because there is, its just that nobody cares because its a videogame.
We are going to raise hell because some boobage can be seen but when basic consumer rights are being demolished, this generations only responce is, meh.
Originally posted by Pandamin I find it very unsettling seeing some posters defending "soft launches". In fact I'm really hoping that a lot of you are just very young and don't know any better. Any consumer rights group would have a field day when it comes to MMO's especially the f2p ones. Lets not pretend that there is nothing illegal going on because there is, its just that nobody cares because its a videogame. We are going to raise hell because some boobage can be seen but when basic consumer rights are being demolished, this generations only responce is, meh. :2thumbsup:
Finally someone who can see the bottom line.
Cryptic and PWE knew very well what happened yesterday would happen.
They do it on purpose. These high queue times work like a phychological conditioner on the weak minded, dangling a nice juice carrot stick in front of them telling "You do not have to wait in the Queue you know! Pay us $200 and you can skip the queue and play NOW!"
If they really wanted, they could have easily expanded capacity by adding a few extra shards yesterday before opening the flood gates, as the 3 current shards were already pretty packed the last days with Founders only.
All they did yesterday, was just enabling the old craptastic STO queue system and let people rot in a queue. Pretty much like how they did with STO launch.
Originally posted by SpottyGekkoCryptic have taken MMO marketing to new lows.
And who's fault it that?
The impatient and intolerable players that cant understand that there could possibly be problems on launch days?
Maybe if people chilled out abit then they wouldnt need to pull this smoke and mirrors shit.
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On there web they say its a commen bug and the numbers that you see in the que are not the right numbers.
Its BETA cmon give them a chance.
Originally posted by Snigerknud On there web they say its a commen bug and the numbers that you see in the que are not the right numbers. Its BETA cmon give them a chance.
That bug exists since STO launch years ago. How many years does a developer need to fix a broken Queue system? lol.
Originally posted by JeroKane Originally posted by Snigerknud On there web they say its a commen bug and the numbers that you see in the que are not the right numbers. Its BETA cmon give them a chance.
They say it's a "common bug" ?
What does that even mean ?
Is it "common" as in "most MMORPG's have this bug" ?
Or is it "common" as in "most Cryptic MMORPG's have this bug" ?
It most probably means: "Yeah, we know about this bug. But we also know from past experience that this bug does not affect our Cash Shop sale volumes, so we're just ingoring it."
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
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Originally posted by Harafnir I find it funny that what a few years ago was called a bug, nowadays is called a "Legendary FAIL of EPIC scale!" Must mean all games the last 5-10 years has been superb and flawless since such a small thing gets such a huge reaction. People are not used to errors anymore. Or.. OP is a little kiddie brat.
In case of Cryptic it is FAIL.
All their games are build on their same inhouse engine.
All their games run on the same hardware, share the same front end and back end infrastructure!
This broken Queue system with the so called display bug excisted since STO launch years ago! Never got fixed! Always the same ol' same ol' "it's a bug, we are looking into it" excuse for years now.
The 3 current shards were already pretty full with Founders only the last couple days.
They KNEW to expect a huge influx of new players and that they wouldn't fit on the current three available shards! Doesn't take rocket science to figure that one out!
What did they do? NOTHING! Just put up the same old broken queue system that has been bugged for years and let people rot in a queue.
If Cryptic really did care and really wanted to, they could have AT LEAST opened up three more shards to reduce queue times.
They use Super Server technology, so they don't have to worry with server mergers down the road.
They did not! As they don't care! People that were willing to pay, already paid via the Founder pack options. So they got the big chunk of money already!
Just logged-in and got position 3772 in the queue...
A few seconds later that changed to position 79,463...
Now it's 2 minutes later and I'm back at 3555 !
This is a very innovative queuing system !
What it really tells you is: "The servers are all at capacity right now. While you wait for a free slot, we will show you some random numbers to keep you amused".
Originally posted by Onomas So many whiners in MMORPG land these days ............
Especially ones who whine about PWE games. You would think by now they could come up with a complaint that is actually as bad as they claim it is, or one that is at least not due to a misunderstanding.
Since when is Tuesday a direction?
Originally posted by SpottyGekk PW/Cryptic have taken MMO marketing to new lows.
No, they haven't. MMO players have just raised the standards bar too high (in some cases unrealistically high), to fit with their self-serving "I deserve X because I said so" attitudes. Also hype isn't helping.
If you want to complain about "new lows", complain about Capcom and EA bringing DLC practices to new lows by including stuff on the game discs, locking it, and telling players if they want to play it, they need to buy it ala DLC.
From what I have seen of the open beta launch for all it has been somewhat smooth compared to so many other launches (gw2 anyone).
What's wrong with calling it beta? With a product in this scale you can never ever predict every possible bug/glitch. They made the game as finished as they could before their deadline, and then released an open beta to iron out the possible faults. The only difference from many other games is that they won't wipe your character when the beta is over. I think it's a good practice. They are telling you up front that the product is a bit rough and needs testing on a larger scale, and they are then giving it to you for free to help them test it, without any consequences. Loads of software go through years of beta before they are confident to call it a complete product. How long was GMail in beta, about 5 years? Did they wipe your inbox when beta was over? A beta isn't something "MMO-specific that has to be done in a very specific way".
If it's a paid product, there's a big difference. And that's why paid games in beta often wipe your characters on release. When it's free there's no reason to, because everyone has access to it, for free, for as long as it lives.
I really see no harm whatsoever with this practice. In fact, i think it's a really good one. All i see is a crazy witch-hunt on every single game that releases. Even the things that are done really well get's painted up as "EPIC FAIL" because it's not what you're used to, and when it has things you are used to it's an "EPIC FAIL NO INNOVATION".
Luckily the whiners are clearly a very minor minority that seems to gain pleasure from the act itself.
Also, the queue-number display is officially announced as a dispay issue (which you could figure out yourself in 2 minutes by watching the number go back down and decreasing from your original queue-number).
Originally posted by cybertrucker This is open beta. The only fail is the OP. this is when they stress the servers, and find bugs to fix.
No software apart for crap in gaming industry is sold when is still in beta phase. Gaming companies can sell pop on a stick (beta version) if they wanted to. Forum dwelllers then derp: "Oh but dude but it is still beta!" Yes dude you are doing their job and they should pay you and not the other way arround.
Lol sofware is always in beta - you can relase fixes and patches forever.
.. and about the entitlement: ofc you have no rights, ever read a game eula? See, even the loyal customers are telling you that you should just shut up and pay - resistance is futile.
Stop buying beta marketing ploys. Stop buying bad games (or in this case preorder packs or whatever they are called).
Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r Originally posted by cybertrucker This is open beta. The only fail is the OP. this is when they stress the servers, and find bugs to fix.
Originally posted by Rhazmuz From what I have seen of the open beta launch for all it has been somewhat smooth compared to so many other launches (gw2 anyone).
Gw2 was flawless compared to this piece of tripe. This reminds me of the Vanilla WoW start where people couldn't log in at all.
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Originally posted by UnleadedRev If you alt-tab or minimize while in que (5000 average) it will reset you to 50000+!!!!!!
Beta is beta.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
Open beta, aka server stress test. What's so hard to understand?