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  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser Member Posts: 1,873
    Originally posted by ktanner3
    What do you expect from a low population game that makes it's living off a cash shop? 

    STO is anything but low population. When was the last time you played the game?

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  • ValoreahValoreah Member Posts: 75


    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    You do realize that sometimes stuff that is being tested is merely placeholder stuff, and that the final product might not be recycled at all, right?


     

    Sure. I don't see that being the case here as it's too late for major changes before release.

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by Valoreah

     


     

    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    You do realize that sometimes stuff that is being tested is merely placeholder stuff, and that the final product might not be recycled at all, right?


     

     

    Sure. I don't see that being the case here as it's too late for major changes before release.

    Unless they were working on the non-placeholder stuff well in advance.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • ValoreahValoreah Member Posts: 75


    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Unless they were working on the non-placeholder stuff well in advance.


     

    Doubtful at this stage since they are a week away from launch. From what I've seen/tested, the main focus was on the new Romulan story content. They save time/money/resources by recycling content for the KDF and trying to sell it as "new".

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by Valoreah

     


     

    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Unless they were working on the non-placeholder stuff well in advance.


     

     

    Doubtful at this stage since they are a week away from launch. From what I've seen/tested, the main focus was on the new Romulan story content. They save time/money/resources by recycling content for the KDF and trying to sell it as "new".

    Well then, I am sure you have plenty of photographs and side by side comparisons to prove your position.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • ValoreahValoreah Member Posts: 75


    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Well then, I am sure you have plenty of photographs and side by side comparisons to prove your position.


     

    No offense, but your comment is a bit stupid to be honest. The same could be asked of you. Go hop on the open BETA on Tribble and show everyone the screen caps of this new content that's coming in less than a week that isn't on the test server yet. Again, they're less than a week away from launch. The chances of Cryptic magically coming up with a boatload of episodic mission content to replace all the "placeholder" content they've put time into is slim to none.

  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Member UncommonPosts: 2,662
    Originally posted by Valoreah

    Just recycled Federation content....  I was hoping this wouldn't be the case, but it looks like Cryptic is staying true to form.  I have a feeling the "new" Romulan content will mostly be recycled Federation missions as well.  

     

    LoR is exciting me less and less the more I read about it.

     

    I'm sorry but 90% of all faction based content from mmorpg to mmorpg is nothing more than fetch, escort, kill and defend quest with hot swap dialog for that particular faction's point of view. Locations and mobs are rarely different from beginning to end. If you're expecting a completely unique experience from 1 to max then you'd best to stop right now. WoW, Rift, Aion, Terra...hell ALL theme park mmorpgs tend to funnel players into the exact same content once they hit a certain level. This is nothing new for most mmorpg players but obviously it seems new to you... 

     

    Expecting this from a AAA P2P mmo is one thing, but expecting it from a F2P mmo.....come on now.

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  • ValoreahValoreah Member Posts: 75

     


     

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    There are screen caps shown in the original linked post. If you've no access to the test server and have never play tested any of the content there, you've no idea what you're talking about.

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by Valoreah

     


     

    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Sorry, no access to Tribble server.  Looks like it is up to you to provide screencaps to prove your point.  After all, you have experienced it all already; should be easy for you to find the parts that prove your point and screenshot them.


     

     

    There are screen caps shown in the original linked post. If you've no access to the test server and have never play tested any of the content there, you've no idea what you're talking about.

    Right, the person who refuses to post their own screenshots showing a side by side comparison that would prove that they are the same mission, knows more than the person who knows that no proof = no argument.

     

    And I have seen the original post.  Its just a screenshot of the mission and the claim that it is the same mission, without showing a comparison picture that proves that they are the same mission.  Their argument and way they go about making it has the same flaws as yours.  Also, I think he changes his opinion about it several comments into the thread.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • ValoreahValoreah Member Posts: 75


    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Right, the person who refuses to post their own screenshots showing a side by side comparison that would prove that they are the same mission, knows more than the person who knows that no proof = no argument.


     

    You're more than capable of logging on to the test server now and seeing for yourself.

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by Valoreah

     


     

    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Right, the person who refuses to post their own screenshots showing a side by side comparison that would prove that they are the same mission, knows more than the person who knows that no proof = no argument.


     

     

    You're more than capable of logging on to the test server now and seeing for yourself.

    No I am not.  I have never been able.  I have tried multiple times, and it has never worked.

    Ever.

    Afraid you are on your own here if you want to prove yourself correct.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Member UncommonPosts: 823
    I guess that means you'll need to wait until it's released to eat crow. One of the reasons I despise Cryptic is that they are extremely lazy as far as Devs go and hardly even attempt to hide it.

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  • ValoreahValoreah Member Posts: 75


    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    No I am not.  I have never been able.  I have tried multiple times, and it has never worked. Ever. Afraid you are on your own here if you want to prove yourself correct.


     

    There's really no difference between logging on to Tribble or Holodeck. It's the same launcher. Just select Tribble from the server list, patch it up and log in. You can also patch up NW, CO or STO from the launcher... unless you really don't play STO or any Cryptic games.

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by Valoreah

     


     

    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    No I am not.  I have never been able.  I have tried multiple times, and it has never worked. Ever. Afraid you are on your own here if you want to prove yourself correct.


     

     

    There's really no difference between logging on to Tribble or Holodeck. It's the same launcher. Just select Tribble from the server list, patch it up and log in. You can also patch up NW, CO or STO from the launcher... unless you really don't play STO or any Cryptic games.

    I have tried that in the past, and it has never let me access the test servers.  I seriously don't know why.

    But why do you doubt my playing STO or Cryptic games?  I actually talk about them and get my facts right 90% of the time, unlike some other people I can name on these forums.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • CacaphonyCacaphony Member Posts: 738


    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Originally posted by Valoreah  

      Originally posted by MadDemon64 No I am not.  I have never been able.  I have tried multiple times, and it has never worked. Ever. Afraid you are on your own here if you want to prove yourself correct.
        There's really no difference between logging on to Tribble or Holodeck. It's the same launcher. Just select Tribble from the server list, patch it up and log in. You can also patch up NW, CO or STO from the launcher... unless you really don't play STO or any Cryptic games.
    I have tried that in the past, and it has never let me access the test servers.  I seriously don't know why.



    Hmm. Don't know why you can't access Tribble. I know that the Redshirt server goes away and comes back at times.

    Maybe this thread will help you? Sorry if you already knew the info in the thread. Not sure how to help. Its from early 2012 so the info is probably out of date, but thats really the only bit of info I could find that addresses it.

  • CacaphonyCacaphony Member Posts: 738

    I played the new Klingon tutorial and first few levels. I did appreciate how it played out. The game play has that "samey" feeling, but I suppose that I would get that feeling because the combat engine is the same since last I played. I feel that Cryptic is changing aspects of Klingon content/missions after the tutorial to be varied from their Federation counterparts at times, and not necessarily reinventing the wheel.


    I do not suspect we will receive overly different/varied content among the Federation, Klingon, and Romulan factions. I suppose I am used to that notion now. I was hoping for a widely varied experience with each respective faction, given their contrasts and different values, societal differences, and military cultures and practices.

    What I am talking about is different mission types with varied objectives and different ways to go about solving and completing those missions that are respective to each race. Romulans would use calculating and devious tactics, while the Federation would use diplomacy and but fight when they need to, and the Klingons would just be Klingons.

    Am I being unreasonable or displaying unrealistic wants from this game? Do you think that in time, what I have described may eventually be the case?


  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by Cacaphony

     


    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Originally posted by Valoreah  

      Originally posted by MadDemon64 No I am not.  I have never been able.  I have tried multiple times, and it has never worked. Ever. Afraid you are on your own here if you want to prove yourself correct.
        There's really no difference between logging on to Tribble or Holodeck. It's the same launcher. Just select Tribble from the server list, patch it up and log in. You can also patch up NW, CO or STO from the launcher... unless you really don't play STO or any Cryptic games.
    I have tried that in the past, and it has never let me access the test servers.  I seriously don't know why.

     

     


     


    Hmm. Don't know why you can't access Tribble. I know that the Redshirt server goes away and comes back at times.

    Maybe this thread will help you? Sorry if you already knew the info in the thread. Not sure how to help. Its from early 2012 so the info is probably out of date, but thats really the only bit of info I could find that addresses it.

    If I read the thread correctly, I need to be a subscribing member to access the test server Tribble, which now makes me highly doubt the statements of several people on this thread even more than I previously did.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • CacaphonyCacaphony Member Posts: 738


    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Originally posted by Cacaphony  

    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    Originally posted by Valoreah  

      Originally posted by MadDemon64 No I am not.  I have never been able.  I have tried multiple times, and it has never worked. Ever. Afraid you are on your own here if you want to prove yourself correct.
        There's really no difference between logging on to Tribble or Holodeck. It's the same launcher. Just select Tribble from the server list, patch it up and log in. You can also patch up NW, CO or STO from the launcher... unless you really don't play STO or any Cryptic games.
    I have tried that in the past, and it has never let me access the test servers.  I seriously don't know why.    
      Hmm. Don't know why you can't access Tribble. I know that the Redshirt server goes away and comes back at times. Maybe this thread will help you? Sorry if you already knew the info in the thread. Not sure how to help. Its from early 2012 so the info is probably out of date, but thats really the only bit of info I could find that addresses it.
    If I read the thread correctly, I need to be a subscribing member to access the test server Tribble, which now makes me highly doubt the statements of several people on this thread even more than I previously did.

    Well, I am not subbed and can access Tribble. I believe at one time you had to be subbed to access tribble, but not now. I was thinking that
    this post here may apply to your problem, but just wasnt sure. Like I said, it was a thread from early 2012 with info that is possibly out-of-date, but was the only info I could find regarding the matter.

  • GR3NDELGR3NDEL Member UncommonPosts: 112

    Here's a link to the latest Dev Blog concerning the KDF - Clicky Here!

    It looks like the new KDF content is going to be a mixture of brand new content and yes, no doubt there will be 'recycled' content as well.  Ultimately it's a matter of whether the 'recycled' content is enjoyable and fun to play, and that's very subjective.  Some will love it, some won't.  /shrug

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  • ValoreahValoreah Member Posts: 75


    Originally posted by MadDemon64

    If I read the thread correctly, I need to be a subscribing member to access the test server Tribble, which now makes me highly doubt the statements of several people on this thread even more than I previously did.


     

    I've a lifetime subscription to STO and CO. Feel free to verify this by looking up my forum title on the official STO forums. I use the same username there.

  • apanz3rapanz3r Member UncommonPosts: 273
    Originally posted by Valoreah

    Just recycled Federation content....  I was hoping this wouldn't be the case, but it looks like Cryptic is staying true to form.  I have a feeling the "new" Romulan content will mostly be recycled Federation missions as well.  

     

    LoR is exciting me less and less the more I read about it.

     

     

    I take any day this "recycled" content to mindless quests from other mmos like go north kill 5 pigs ....

    Sure original/new content is better but recycling carefully some stuff is fine as well.

    While you level up in STO you feel like enjoying playing . In other games is like "whatever it takes" to get to endgame.

     

  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912
    Just for the record, at least so far (Level 33) all Fed-Romulan content is entirely new.

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  • GR3NDELGR3NDEL Member UncommonPosts: 112
    Originally posted by Cacaphony

    I played the new Klingon tutorial and first few levels. I did appreciate how it played out. The game play has that "samey" feeling, but I suppose that I would get that feeling because the combat engine is the same since last I played. I feel that Cryptic is changing aspects of Klingon content/missions after the tutorial to be varied from their Federation counterparts at times, and not necessarily reinventing the wheel.


    I do not suspect we will receive overly different/varied content among the Federation, Klingon, and Romulan factions. I suppose I am used to that notion now. I was hoping for a widely varied experience with each respective faction, given their contrasts and different values, societal differences, and military cultures and practices.

    What I am talking about is different mission types with varied objectives and different ways to go about solving and completing those missions that are respective to each race. Romulans would use calculating and devious tactics, while the Federation would use diplomacy and but fight when they need to, and the Klingons would just be Klingons.

    Am I being unreasonable or displaying unrealistic wants from this game? Do you think that in time, what I have described may eventually be the case?

     

    No, I don't think it's unreasonable to want a unique gaming experience based on each faction's unique 'flavor' - in fact, I'm sure that most players want that as well.  Now, I can't play STO because I don't have Broadband internet where I live so you can take this advice or leave it, but for more distinctive missions I'd suggest looking into the Foundry.  There are players who have been rabid fans of each of the three factions for years, if not decades that are writing story arcs that are truly spectacular, and showcase each faction's unique 'flavor' very well, and even adds to established canon in interesting and fun ways.

    There's also been talk by the developers of taking some of these highly-rated missions and incorporating them into the actual game content - which would go a long way toward answering the call for more 'flavor' in the content.  I hope that comes to pass.

    I've been a fan of Star Trek since the late 70's, and if I could play STO I'd be pouring tons of effort into creating story arcs that reflect the mindsets of the three factions - the Romulans, in particular, since I've been a huge fan of them since Diane Duane's Rihannsu novels.

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  • ValoreahValoreah Member Posts: 75
    Originally posted by Elikal
    Just for the record, at least so far (Level 33) all Fed-Romulan content is entirely new.

    That's because the Romulan content is new.  Cryptic added the Romulan "fraction" with the expansion. ;)

  • CthulhuPuffsCthulhuPuffs Member UncommonPosts: 368

    Not surprising.

    I quit STO soon after release when

    1- It became clear that this was just CoX in a Star Trek skin

    and

    2- The Klingon "Faction" was always going to be a Fat Ginger Kid to Cryptic

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