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What would encourage you to start playing EVE?

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    Originally posted by Horusra
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by noncley
    Originally posted by dave6660
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by dave6660
    Originally posted by mastersomrat
    One word...Travel!  I know it's a bit more realistic for travel to forever; however, this is a game.  Most people simply don't have the time for one hour of game time and three hours of travel.  Maybe some sort of StarTrek transporting tech. 

    What exactly are you doing that requires 3 of every 4 hours devoted to travel?

    if he's a marketeer freighting things from jita to amarr and back I can see trips adding up to several hours...I regularly do a 3-system trip back and forth in a freighter and it takes 15 minutes.

    If he's running a freighter between market hubs then he intentionally chose a profession that revolves around travel.  Why complain then?  Trade in the station in Jita if you don't want to travel.

    Let's not get defensive - or indeed aggressive - about the length of time it takes to travel in Eve. It certainly does take a long time to get about. What might make the game better if there were activities that a player could undertake *while* travelling. I don't know what those activities might be.

    I dunno, seemed like a reasonable reply to me. However, I like your suggestion of things to do while in flight. I usually chat with corpmates, go through assets or browse the regional markets but I can see how others would want something more.

    Maybe rats that can pull you out of warp?

    In flight peanuts and gambling.


    SOMERBlink? ;)

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  • hfztthfztt Member RarePosts: 1,393
    After 10 years of playing this game I am more interested in something that would discourage me from playing EVE...
  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by noncley
    Originally posted by dave6660
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by dave6660
    Originally posted by mastersomrat
    One word...Travel!  I know it's a bit more realistic for travel to forever; however, this is a game.  Most people simply don't have the time for one hour of game time and three hours of travel.  Maybe some sort of StarTrek transporting tech. 

    What exactly are you doing that requires 3 of every 4 hours devoted to travel?

    if he's a marketeer freighting things from jita to amarr and back I can see trips adding up to several hours...I regularly do a 3-system trip back and forth in a freighter and it takes 15 minutes.

    If he's running a freighter between market hubs then he intentionally chose a profession that revolves around travel.  Why complain then?  Trade in the station in Jita if you don't want to travel.

    Let's not get defensive - or indeed aggressive - about the length of time it takes to travel in Eve. It certainly does take a long time to get about. What might make the game better if there were activities that a player could undertake *while* travelling. I don't know what those activities might be.

    I dunno, seemed like a reasonable reply to me. However, I like your suggestion of things to do while in flight. I usually chat with corpmates, go through assets or browse the regional markets but I can see how others would want something more.

    Maybe rats that can pull you out of warp?

    Thargoids!

     

    It's worth remembering that long travel times aren't put into EVE as an arbitrary way for CCP to increase your suffering. They're a part of the game design. The price differences that said freighter pilot is exploiting as his profession are only present at all because of travel time. If travel time was removed, then everything would cost the same everywhere. There would be no niches for new players to exploit. All the markets would be completely owned by the high skillpoint, highly capitalised players.

    Of course that effect would be small beer compared to the effect on the strategic map. No travel overhead = the single most powerful group rules over everything.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • CactusJackCactusJack Member UncommonPosts: 393

    Not that I play EvE anymore, but when I did travel long distances with valuable loot or whatever...my in flight activity was not getting ganked. Like scanning the gates, creating safespots along the differrent routes, checking the map with the "how many podkills in the last hour", etc. 

     

    Ofc, it's been over a year since I played but that's what I remember.

    Playing: BF4/BF:Hardline, Subnautica 7 days to die
    Hiatus: EvE
    Waiting on: World of Darkness(sigh)
    Interested in: better games in general

  • AdalwulffAdalwulff Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,152
    Originally posted by Malcanis

    I'm looking for ideas to take to CCP. I'm not interested in stupid stuff like "Change EVE into being a PvE grind4epix" or ideas that would take 50 devs 2.5 years to implement, but small, developmentally affordable things that would help people who are attracted to EVE but ran into this roadblock or that dead end.  Basically, stuff to smooth the path into the game.

    To give an example of the kind of stuff I'm after: I had an idea to reform the NPC corps. At the moment, if you're not in a player corp, you default into an NPC corp which you don't even get to choose.  I'd like to see NPC corps offer some small bonuses/penalties, advantages/drawbacks, restrictions/opportunities that basically make this NPC corp a natural choice for miners, that NPC corp a good choice for haulers, and so on.  This would mean that people who don't want to be in a player corp, or just haven't managed to get into one that they like yet will still be in a community of people with similar interests.  As well as having like-minded players to talk to, this would make for a good basis for new corps to be formed from.

     

     

    There is simply too much griefing to attract any kind of "mainstream" player.

    I played EVE off and on for years, love the game, hate most of the people. Seriously, there are dozens and dozens of different ways you can grief someone in EVE, its out of control.

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 18,375

    HONEST answer??

    If a different developer took over and announced they have just licensed the Unreal 3 or 4 game engine and will port it over with improvements.

    Best thing that could happen to this game and imo the RPG genre would be if Epic games started making these games.

     

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • DihoruDihoru Member Posts: 2,731
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    HONEST answer??

    If a different developer took over and announced they have just licensed the Unreal 3 or 4 game engine and will port it over with improvements.

    Best thing that could happen to this game and imo the RPG genre would be if Epic games started making these games.

     

    To translate what he said above: I hate CCP, want a carebear friendly game where the game engine cannot evolve so I don't have to buy a new cheapo computer every few years to play it (CCP do a fantastic job, the carbon engine is both flexible and allows for the game graphics to evolve gradually through patches, don't believe me? take a look  at 6 month old screenshots at full detail and then boot up the game and check how they look now and what improvements could be made to a sandbox title beyond iteration I have no bloody clue).

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  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Member RarePosts: 3,476
    Originally posted by Dihoru
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    HONEST answer??

    If a different developer took over and announced they have just licensed the Unreal 3 or 4 game engine and will port it over with improvements.

    Best thing that could happen to this game and imo the RPG genre would be if Epic games started making these games.

     

    To translate what he said above: I hate CCP, want a carebear friendly game where the game engine cannot evolve so I don't have to buy a new cheapo computer every few years to play it (CCP do a fantastic job, the carbon engine is both flexible and allows for the game graphics to evolve gradually through patches, don't believe me? take a look  at 6 month old screenshots at full detail and then boot up the game and check how they look now and what improvements could be made to a sandbox title beyond iteration I have no bloody clue).

    " Right On, Right On, Right On " With Sony bringing out the PS4 later this year CCP will most likely take EvE and make it F2P and keep Dust 514 upgraded adding item shops too both.

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  • DihoruDihoru Member Posts: 2,731
    Originally posted by Elsabolts
    Originally posted by Dihoru
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    HONEST answer??

    If a different developer took over and announced they have just licensed the Unreal 3 or 4 game engine and will port it over with improvements.

    Best thing that could happen to this game and imo the RPG genre would be if Epic games started making these games.

     

    To translate what he said above: I hate CCP, want a carebear friendly game where the game engine cannot evolve so I don't have to buy a new cheapo computer every few years to play it (CCP do a fantastic job, the carbon engine is both flexible and allows for the game graphics to evolve gradually through patches, don't believe me? take a look  at 6 month old screenshots at full detail and then boot up the game and check how they look now and what improvements could be made to a sandbox title beyond iteration I have no bloody clue).

    " Right On, Right On, Right On " With Sony bringing out the PS4 later this year CCP will most likely take EvE and make it F2P and keep Dust 514 upgraded adding item shops too both.

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  • VorchVorch Member UncommonPosts: 793

    Honestly, make my avatar a person and change payment model.

    However, I don't think they should do either since they seem to be doing fine as is...no sense in appealing to me to lose the base.

    "As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days— those are now the only two states you’ll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2

  • NetSageNetSage Member UncommonPosts: 1,059
    Originally posted by Vorch

    Honestly, make my avatar a person and change payment model.

    However, I don't think they should do either since they seem to be doing fine as is...no sense in appealing to me to lose the base.

    Your avatar is a person.... They're just in a ship while you're out of a station...

    What's wrong with the payment model?

  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297
    Originally posted by Elsabolts
    Originally posted by Dihoru
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    HONEST answer??

    If a different developer took over and announced they have just licensed the Unreal 3 or 4 game engine and will port it over with improvements.

    Best thing that could happen to this game and imo the RPG genre would be if Epic games started making these games.

     

    To translate what he said above: I hate CCP, want a carebear friendly game where the game engine cannot evolve so I don't have to buy a new cheapo computer every few years to play it (CCP do a fantastic job, the carbon engine is both flexible and allows for the game graphics to evolve gradually through patches, don't believe me? take a look  at 6 month old screenshots at full detail and then boot up the game and check how they look now and what improvements could be made to a sandbox title beyond iteration I have no bloody clue).

    " Right On, Right On, Right On " With Sony bringing out the PS4 later this year CCP will most likely take EvE and make it F2P and keep Dust 514 upgraded adding item shops too both.

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    Money talks, bullshit walks

    I'll take that bet: I bet that CCP will not make EVE F2P by 23:59 GMT, Dec 31st, 2013.

    How much do you want to lay down? I'll accept PLEX btw. Let's see if you actually believe what you say?

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • Jonas_SGJonas_SG Member UncommonPosts: 475

    Removing or changing Wardecks, so that they only effects thouse Coporations and Alliances that want to PvP.

    Personal Space instances - like housing in other MMO's.

    Changing Planet status from " space decoration " to "actual planets with NPC population" - kick starting a more real Space Universe, than it is atm.

     

  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297
    Originally posted by Jonas_SG

    Removing or changing Wardecks, so that they only effects thouse Coporations and Alliances that want to PvP.

    Personal Space instances - like housing in other MMO's.

    Changing Planet status from " space decoration " to "excual planets with NPC population" - kick starting a more real Space Universe, than it is atm.

     

    I don't like paying high prices for stuff that market PvPers buy up and resell. I presume that these non-PvPing corps and alliances will not be able to price gouge me, and will have to sell stuff at the NPC mineral prices?

    Also I don't like it when people mine out the asteroids I want to mine. Obviously these non-PvPing corps can't engage in that kind of activity either.

    And it's a direct attack on my industry and R&D activity when other people use scarce station slots. I naturally assume that these non-PvPing corps will be barred from doing this?

     

    Look, you can see where this is going. Everything in EVE is PvP in one form or another. You can't just demand to be immune from being shot at whilst being able to "shoot back" in other ways.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • Jonas_SGJonas_SG Member UncommonPosts: 475
    Originally posted by Malcanis
    Originally posted by Jonas_SG

    Removing or changing Wardecks, so that they only effects thouse Coporations and Alliances that want to PvP.

    Personal Space instances - like housing in other MMO's.

    Changing Planet status from " space decoration " to "excual planets with NPC population" - kick starting a more real Space Universe, than it is atm.

     

    I don't like paying high prices for stuff that market PvPers buy up and resell. I presume that these non-PvPing corps and alliances will not be able to price gouge me, and will have to sell stuff at the NPC mineral prices?

    Also I don't like it when people mine out the asteroids I want to mine. Obviously these non-PvPing corps can't engage in that kind of activity either.

    And it's a direct attack on my industry and R&D activity when other people use scarce station slots. I naturally assume that these non-PvPing corps will be barred from doing this?

     

    Look, you can see where this is going. Everything in EVE is PvP in one form or another. You can't just demand to be immune from being shot at whilst being able to "shoot back" in other ways.

     

    Having Wardec immune player Corporation Is the same as being in a NPC corporation, just with a smaller and more friendlier community. It will have no effect on the EvE Universe other than, bringing more PvE communities in to the game.

  • RindirRindir Member Posts: 2

    Now idk how much footing i have to comment here as i saw lots of people with years of game time under there belt, but i got to say my bit

     

    ive read the first 5 or so pages and have to add from a newish players point of few, now ive only played for 7months and i saw lots of info about moon goo, now i dont know much about it but i do know 2 things that keep coming up 

     

    1st the big alliances have major passive isk, which ok i bet they do, but i myself also make enough passive isk to plex 3 accounts each month and have more left over, and a couple of things to point im a carebear hell i hate it when i get sucked into pvp by my corp but thats part and part of eve, but even know im not a age old vet i still can hold my own.

     

    2nd of all there seems to be alot of people going on about sp and its draw backs, now just to prove to a big point that some have made, i build t2s and do alot of R&D but i also have orca and charon (both cap size ships) now were do i have the disadvantage  of older players, lets see ummm... non what so ever 

     

    the main thing i can suggest for people who want to start eve is get off the forum go to eve and try the trail, and no i dont mean the 14 day trail as you dont get time to try the game i mean the 21 day buddy invite, that any eve player can give you, and talk in the help and rookie help chats and if you need more help then that try eve uni help chat, and those of you who are to busy moaning about lack of isk theres 100 and 1 ways to make isk and more, pve missions with slavage can get you a good pay for example and those who moaning about the  sp ive just proved that theres no problem with is so hush.

     

    oh and last note im not a part of test or goons or even a small alliance :P

  • DoozerglueDoozerglue Member UncommonPosts: 40

    I started playing Neverwinter from day one, but the day they shut down the servers due to duping I took that time to give EVE another try.  I had tried EVE many years ago, but it just didn't take... I didn't get it. I don't remember exactly why I didn't like it, but I remember feeling overwhelmed. Every time I saw an add for EVE, I'd say "screw that."   I think now that I have a  little more MMO experience, I'm ready for a more mature undertaking.  All I can say about EVE  is "what a great game."  I truly mean that.  After a few days of playing I feel like this is the game I've wanted all along. 

    My first experience in local chat was someone answering questions that the new people were asking.  Even stating "are there any other questions?"  When I stated, "I'm new to the game," after asking a question, I got "we're glad you're here" as a response.  I felt / feel welcome.  I know this may not be the way it is all the time, but it really felt good to hear that.

    I could go through a large list of how things are different, but I'm in an EVE forum... so you know.  Up until a few days ago, I was that guy that thought everyone that played EVE was stubborn and arrogant.  The people that cry out about the beauty of a sand-box, the hipsters that hated WoW because it had become the standard for what an MMO "should" be... everybody hates a winner.....  I was wrong.  I see why people get behind the game. 

    If you are considering this game, it's not like you can jump in and start killing stuff like other MMO's. You have to take some time and run through the tutorial and do ALL of the training missions.  Learn how to play the game to enjoy the game, if that makes any sense....  The game is beautiful, has beautiful music and an extremely interesting / immersive  concept. 

    Anyway, saw this thread and thought I'd throw my perspective in there. 

     

  • RindirRindir Member Posts: 2
    Originally posted by Doozerglue

    I started playing Neverwinter from day one, but the day they shut down the servers due to duping I took that time to give EVE another try.  I had tried EVE many years ago, but it just didn't take... I didn't get it. I don't remember exactly why I didn't like it, but I remember feeling overwhelmed. Every time I saw an add for EVE, I'd say "screw that."   I think now that I have a  little more MMO experience, I'm ready for a more mature undertaking.  All I can say about EVE  is "what a great game."  I truly mean that.  After a few days of playing I feel like this is the game I've wanted all along. 

    My first experience in local chat was someone answering questions that the new people were asking.  Even stating "are there any other questions?"  When I stated, "I'm new to the game," after asking a question, I got "we're glad you're here" as a response.  I felt / feel welcome.  I know this may not be the way it is all the time, but it really felt good to hear that.

    I could go through a large list of how things are different, but I'm in an EVE forum... so you know.  Up until a few days ago, I was that guy that thought everyone that played EVE was stubborn and arrogant.  The people that cry out about the beauty of a sand-box, the hipsters that hated WoW because it had become the standard for what an MMO "should" be... everybody hates a winner.....  I was wrong.  I see why people get behind the game. 

    If you are considering this game, it's not like you can jump in and start killing stuff like other MMO's. You have to take some time and run through the tutorial and do ALL of the training missions.  Learn how to play the game to enjoy the game, if that makes any sense....  The game is beautiful, has beautiful music and an extremely interesting / immersive  concept. 

    Anyway, saw this thread and thought I'd throw my perspective in there. 

     

    im glad you did mate, it just proves how welcoming the game, which  im glad as i know thats how alot of us who play eve feel, we love new people starting.

     

    and i agree the game is beautiful in every way, my favorite thing is when m freshly built ships come off the production line and i can put them on the market for others to buy :D

  • BroverpowerdBroverpowerd Member UncommonPosts: 37
    I am a new player, but I feel like a good way is to have ongoing skillpoint accumulation. Aka, while your account is active, you are accumulating skillpoints. 
  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297
    Originally posted by Broverpowerd
    I am a new player, but I feel like a good way is to have ongoing skillpoint accumulation. Aka, while your account is active, you are accumulating skillpoints. 

    Your wish is granted. Log in and start your skillqueue.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 603
    Nothing. I'm not into sci-fi and I don't like the whole no avatar approach. I love sandbox MMOs though and am eagerly awaiting CCP's next rendition.
  • WalterWhiteWalterWhite Member UncommonPosts: 411

    EVE is like marmite, you either love it or hate it. I don't know if there is a middle ground with EVE but I guess that is what a lot of people love (or hate) about the game.

    Me personally , I guess I prefer marmalade.

  • rawfoxrawfox Member UncommonPosts: 788
    Originally posted by apocoluster
    Nothing.  I broke my shackles 3 years ago

    I got a brand new pair since 3 weeks :)

  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Member UncommonPosts: 2,380
    The last time I tried to like this game and i filled out the survey as I was leaving I told the developers I would rather have a root canal with  no anesthesia than play this game for another minute.
  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297
    Originally posted by Shadanwolf
    The last time I tried to like this game and i filled out the survey as I was leaving I told the developers I would rather have a root canal with  no anesthesia than play this game for another minute.

    I'm sure that was immensely useful to them.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

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