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  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,746

    All of Cryptic's game are and have been like this and will also be like this in Neverwinter Online.  They use the same crappy engine, the same design philosophy and the same pathetic support after release.  Yet the hamsters continue to pay for each new game despite their awful track record and even worse, continue to keep their games making money when they don't deserve the income they get.  This is the biggest reason for the incredibly slow change in this genre.  No matter how stinky the game, there will always be enough stooges to make them profitable at least in the short term and usually even longer than that.

    It's almost like the gamer population are addicts and will take any fix they can get and thank you sir, may I have another.

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  • DihoruDihoru Member Posts: 2,731
    Originally posted by Vorthanion

    All of Cryptic's game are and have been like this and will also be like this in Neverwinter Online.  They use the same crappy engine, the same design philosophy and the same pathetic support after release.  Yet the hamsters continue to pay for each new game despite their awful track record and even worse, continue to keep their games making money when they don't deserve the income they get.  This is the biggest reason for the incredibly slow change in this genre.  No matter how stinky the game, there will always be enough stooges to make them profitable at least in the short term and usually even longer than that.

    It's almost like the gamer population are addicts and will take any fix they can get and thank you sir, may I have another.

    Translation of what he said: I HAVE AN OPINION AND I AM VERY SURE IT IS FACT SO HEAR ME NOW LESSER PEOPLE!

     

    Sorry but demonizing Cryptic who've stuck with their games and done a decent job in the end where as EA/Bioware, SOE, etc have fucked their games over consistently while giving the big middle finger to their player bases just smacks of either shortsightedness or an agenda.

    But just to humour you:

    -the engine works, may not be pretty but it works;

    -their design philosophy while not innovative is still one based on polish, if they give you a turd of a game they at least give you a turd that works as you'd expect and they fix major issues with their games and add in more content as time passes by and their design philosophy also led to the birth of the foundry system and the in-game currency to zen exchange both of which are features which I truly hope every F2P themepark MMO developer emulates one day;

    -had a few dealings with their tech support and account support guys, it did take a week for them to get around to me but afterwards during the process of solving my issues their replies took at worse a day so while not stellar, certainly not CCP level support, it is for a F2P developer still 4/5 service from my point of view.

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  • Mondo80Mondo80 Member UncommonPosts: 194
    Originally posted by Cacaphony

     


    Originally posted by Mondo80
    Grinds are nessisary and STO does it more fairly than many oher games I've seen.  In WOW you grind for weeks or months in raid to get the best gear only to have them become trash when the next xpac or patch comes out.  In the Diablo series you have to slay thousands of mobs to have something descent drop, grant it's fun as hell, you have to do multiple runs to get what you want.   

     

     

    You do get rewarded well for your efforts.  In STO you earn dilithium which can be use to buy a large selection of items, the dilithium/zen exchange is player run so you buy Z-store (cash) items, you don't have to pay anything!  The devs at Cryptic are so pleased with this system that they are putting it into all their games.  Champions has questionite, Neverwinter will have astral diamonds.


     

    I understand what your saying and I can't really say I disagree with most of your post. The part I take issue with is the combination of grind added with lockboxes, when master keys that don't drop as loot ingame (if they do, I've never got one as loot). You MUST purchase them in the C store. Some don't take issue with that at all, but I do.

    Yes, grind is a part of MMO's, but I just cant convince myself that Cryptic does it all that well. Again, my opinion, I just have stubborn opinions that won't change that easily. They haven't changed since launch, but I am always waiting for Cryptic to do something to let me change my opinion.


    Ive loved Star Trek since when The Next Generation was a new series, and I guess some of my trepadations about this game come from how the game actually turned out compared to my idea of what a trek MMO should be. I admit, its my fault for not adapting, but there it is.

    In any case, I like aspects of STO, but not enough to convince me its all that great.

     

    The keys a non bound item, you can sell or buy them on the exchange. Same goes for the lockboxes and many of the items in the boxes.  The lockboxes are like a lotery, you don't have to play if you don't want to.  The Devs are working their butts of to get the game to where they want it, they know the released to early (Atari's fault and the previous studio spent 4 out 6 years just making consept art with NO WORKING game engine)

     

    I loved the Next Generation too, it was a great successor series.  With the first series we got celphones, hospital beds with equipment to moniter the patients condition and computers in the workplace.  With the second we got touchscreens, table pcs, a graphical user interface and the internet.

  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,746
    Originally posted by Dihoru
    Originally posted by Vorthanion

    All of Cryptic's game are and have been like this and will also be like this in Neverwinter Online.  They use the same crappy engine, the same design philosophy and the same pathetic support after release.  Yet the hamsters continue to pay for each new game despite their awful track record and even worse, continue to keep their games making money when they don't deserve the income they get.  This is the biggest reason for the incredibly slow change in this genre.  No matter how stinky the game, there will always be enough stooges to make them profitable at least in the short term and usually even longer than that.

    It's almost like the gamer population are addicts and will take any fix they can get and thank you sir, may I have another.

    Translation of what he said: I HAVE AN OPINION AND I AM VERY SURE IT IS FACT SO HEAR ME NOW LESSER PEOPLE!

     

    Sorry but demonizing Cryptic who've stuck with their games and done a decent job in the end where as EA/Bioware, SOE, etc have fucked their games over consistently while giving the big middle finger to their player bases just smacks of either shortsightedness or an agenda.

    But just to humour you:

    -the engine works, may not be pretty but it works;

    -their design philosophy while not innovative is still one based on polish, if they give you a turd of a game they at least give you a turd that works as you'd expect and they fix major issues with their games and add in more content as time passes by and their design philosophy also led to the birth of the foundry system and the in-game currency to zen exchange both of which are features which I truly hope every F2P themepark MMO developer emulates one day;

    -had a few dealings with their tech support and account support guys, it did take a week for them to get around to me but afterwards during the process of solving my issues their replies took at worse a day so while not stellar, certainly not CCP level support, it is for a F2P developer still 4/5 service from my point of view.

    Apologist.  Cryptic has a well deserved bad reputation and I am by far not the only one to point it out.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

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  • ktanner3ktanner3 Member UncommonPosts: 4,063
    Originally posted by Vorthanion
    Originally posted by Dihoru
    Originally posted by Vorthanion

    All of Cryptic's game are and have been like this and will also be like this in Neverwinter Online.  They use the same crappy engine, the same design philosophy and the same pathetic support after release.  Yet the hamsters continue to pay for each new game despite their awful track record and even worse, continue to keep their games making money when they don't deserve the income they get.  This is the biggest reason for the incredibly slow change in this genre.  No matter how stinky the game, there will always be enough stooges to make them profitable at least in the short term and usually even longer than that.

    It's almost like the gamer population are addicts and will take any fix they can get and thank you sir, may I have another.

    Translation of what he said: I HAVE AN OPINION AND I AM VERY SURE IT IS FACT SO HEAR ME NOW LESSER PEOPLE!

     

    Sorry but demonizing Cryptic who've stuck with their games and done a decent job in the end where as EA/Bioware, SOE, etc have fucked their games over consistently while giving the big middle finger to their player bases just smacks of either shortsightedness or an agenda.

    But just to humour you:

    -the engine works, may not be pretty but it works;

    -their design philosophy while not innovative is still one based on polish, if they give you a turd of a game they at least give you a turd that works as you'd expect and they fix major issues with their games and add in more content as time passes by and their design philosophy also led to the birth of the foundry system and the in-game currency to zen exchange both of which are features which I truly hope every F2P themepark MMO developer emulates one day;

    -had a few dealings with their tech support and account support guys, it did take a week for them to get around to me but afterwards during the process of solving my issues their replies took at worse a day so while not stellar, certainly not CCP level support, it is for a F2P developer still 4/5 service from my point of view.

    Apologist.  Cryptic has a well deserved bad reputation and I am by far not the only one to point it out.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

    +1

    And I almost keeled over with laughter with the " polish" line. STO is the most buggy, laggy and jerky game I have played in years and it's been out for three years now. Other games that have been released since that time (Rift,TOR,GW2) have much smoother gameplay. They might have some bugs, but at least you do not feel like you are playing a beta stage game. 

    Currently Playing: World of Warcraft

  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Member UncommonPosts: 823
    Originally posted by ktanner3
    Originally posted by Vorthanion
     
    Originally posted by Dihoru
    Originally posted by Vorthanion

    All of Cryptic's game are and have been like this .......

    Translation of what he said: I HAVE AN OPINION AND I AM VERY SURE IT IS FACT SO HEAR ME NOW LESSER PEOPLE!

     

    Sorry but demonizing Cryptic ......

    Apologist.  Cryptic has a well deserved bad reputation and I am by far not the only one to point it out.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

    +1

    And I almost keeled over with laughter with the " polish" line. STO is the most buggy, laggy and jerky game I have played in years and it's been out for three years now. Other games that have been released since that time (Rift,TOR,GW2) have much smoother gameplay. They might have some bugs, but at least you do not feel like you are playing a beta stage game. 

    I wholly concur with ktanner3 and Vorthanion. I'll also add Dihoru, there's a saying " the pot calling the kettle black ". You came and criticed people for doing the exact same thing you are doing now. While you had some points they are lost now. As was pointed out earlier Cryptic uses the same formula to dev the past 4 games. While it may have had initial success , it certainly hasn't carried over to the past 2 and if employed in the future will probably end in the same poor manner. It isn't that they use the same formula . It's that they don't learn from it and they insist on it. Producing a game in 16 mo is not an achievement unless you are selling to a financial manager or a corporate board. So is it a wonder that so many people don't view their games as an achievement as anything more then average to subaverage games ?

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  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278

    A game does not have to be great to be great. SWTOR has far better graphics than Minecraft but Minecraft sold way more than SWTOR.

    Cryptic/Perfect World games are just cheap fun games. If STO cost as much as SWTOR to make, it would be absolutley pathetic, but given their budget, STO is still more long term fun than SWTOR despite its flaws.

    None of their games are expected to have millions of players, and they only have one server. It is like saying a Mini is not as fast as a Ferrari. Having a Ferrari just get from A to B and not be a fan of cars is a waste of money, and a Mini would be the best choice, but if you have the money and like fast cars then a Ferrari is a good choice. SWTOR is like a Ferrari, and STO / Perfect World games are like a Mini. They are only crap if you expect perfection more than fun

  • ValoreahValoreah Member Posts: 75


    Originally posted by Mondo80

    Grinds are nessisary and STO does it more fairly than many oher games I've seen.


      


    It may be fair for new players, but the rep systems royally shafts veteran players.


    I had unlocked the Borg Space set years ago from running STFs with all my alts.


    Then Cryptic updated the STFs to the previous system where you needed Omega marks to turn in for gear. So I ran hundreds upon hundreds of STFs to get the MACO and OMEGA space and ground sets for my characters.


    Now, I have to grind YET AGAIN to go through the rep system to unlock gear I had already unlocked in the store ON THE SAME CHARACTERS IN ADDITION TO paying through the nose dilithium prices!


    The rep system isn't alt friendly either. You're so sick of running the same crap missions hundreds of times for one character, you just don't want to do it anymore. The content just isn't that good and the arbitrary completion timers are a joke.


    Sure, grinds are part of every MMO. How this particular one was deployed with regard to vets of STO stunk.

  • ktanner3ktanner3 Member UncommonPosts: 4,063
    Originally posted by kyssari
    Personally I quit because of the ridiculous reputation system they have in place now. No matter how much you grind Fleet Actions or STFs or anything at all, your limited to at most one upgrade every 2 days at top lvl because of the dilithium refinement cap and everything of any use requiring said refined dilithium. I can basically log on for an hr and cap out my dilithium and then I'm basically done being able to do anything productive for the day thanks to the refinement cap and no other way to obtain any form of upgrades. I'll take the old system where one could actually grind out STFs and such all day long if they so chose to obtain upgrades. I simply don't like having a time limit placed on my game play is all :

    I understand why game companies put them in , but I strongly disagree with limits.. It's nothing more than a stupid attempt to level the playing field for everyone. As someone who considers himself a casual I say let the hardcore folks have the advantage. If someone is willing to put in long hours to grind out that special title  or advantage, who cares if they have a leg up on someone who puts in less time? They earned it. That's the way it is suppose to work. 

    Currently Playing: World of Warcraft

  • simpliussimplius Member UncommonPosts: 1,134

    one top level upgrade every second day is very fast

    go to other mmos, and see, how long it will take

    if they made it faster, the game would lose all long term appeal

    cant you just make alts, and let them refine it?

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