I have played both and frankly, SWTOR is no comparison to GW2. It made a huge entrance because of all the hype. It then died because it was a very generic game. Its like Avatar, everyone seen it, loved it, they aren't watching it every night though.
Originally posted by aionix Is this shit serious? I can not logically understand why someone would enjoy F2P TOR with its current restrictions more than GW2. Lol to each his own I suppose.
< But thats just solely based off me disliking GW2 and feeling extremely underwhelmed to the point of boredom with it. Over-all I guess you could take in consideration GW2's cost and it actually can put SWTOR ahead of GW2 in terms of cost if you can grab anything you ever want out of it for under $50. SWTOR personal stories aren't the best comparing to single player but I had a lot more fun with them then I did with GW2's... 'interesting' story line. Don't get me wrong though, both games to me are lack luster, just SWTOR will get me more play time by giving me something to do with leveling alts and experiencing the story lines, something GW2 Failed horribly for me for finding fun with.
- SWTOR's freemium model (nickle & diming) stronger than B2P? Not likely.
To start off i play swtor and gw2. But If you think gw2 hasnt nickle and dimed their player base, i have a bridge to sell ya.
I don't fully see the comparison. In GW2, extra inventory & bank space & character slots (over 5) can be purchased with in-game gold OR real life cash in the cash shop. In contrast, EA has stated that Cartel Coins will be obtainable only via transfer of real money.
The rest of the stuff in GW2 is entirely optional, isn't it? xp boosts, costumes, convenience items.
Originally posted by aionix Is this shit serious? I can not logically understand why someone would enjoy F2P TOR with its current restrictions more than GW2. Lol to each his own I suppose.
your not the only one laughing right now.
I mean even the "Bioware is giving its class stories away for free" isn't a viable argument. MMO's are about gameplay with others, and this game (especially with F2P restrictions) has horendous implementation of the concept. If I want a deep story I'll go read A Song of Ice and Fire. If I want a game to play, online, with an immersive atmosphere, I'll choose GW2 over TOR everytime. But again, to each his own.
Originally posted by aionix Is this shit serious? I can not logically understand why someone would enjoy F2P TOR with its current restrictions more than GW2. Lol to each his own I suppose.
your not the only one laughing right now.
I mean even the "Bioware is giving its class stories away for free" isn't a viable argument. MMO's are about gameplay with others, and this game (especially with F2P restrictions) has horendous implementation of the concept. If I want a deep story I'll go read A Song of Ice and Fire. If I want a game to play, online, with an immersive atmosphere, I'll choose GW2 over TOR everytime. But again, to each his own.
same here, I didn't feel that immersed into SWTOR.
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you know BW put 1 quickslot bar in the begining for F2P players and they changed? and they changed 3 wz per week for 5?
isn't that listen the people?
Your aren't getting the issue of the game. Obviously the game payment model isn't the issue. Its the game's engine and style. Please tell me your joking that you like this game because its 99 percent instanced and 1 percent open world.
Even if your a subscriber your limited. I spent more time on loading screens then actually being able to play the game. Yes I even have a high end PC for gaming and I run GW2 really well and Crysis 2 at max settings.
If your a gamer, you should have a solid state hard drive. Technology has moved on, you should too. Complaining about something that is your problem hardly makes it the games problem. This eliminates loading screen delays. No you don't have a high end gaming rig, thanks for the comedy.
I feel bad for the guy who said he likes' the game, coming to this site and saying you like this game is just asking to be punished and abused by the haters.
Luckly, for those that DO enjoy the game, it is evolving nicely, has a nice stable core of players that play regularly and enjoy the game. Reminds me of DAoC, the VN boards were a disaster, but in game it was a completely different experience.
I play regualarly with a solid group of friends and enjoy the game immensely. It is fun and runs well and has incredible content. Here we go, now I am going to be flamed royally for this CRAZY opinion. Well, bash me all you like, won't change my opinion or the fact that this is a solid game.
Edit: Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention, SWTOR is way better bang for your buck with their F2P option than GW2 IMO. So much more content and replayability that you get for free verse paying $60 bucks for GW2, thats 4 months of sub in SWTOR.
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Go to the top of page 3, I said it myself as well, his argument is invalid because it was not backed up very well...LOL
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Originally posted by Jonoku SWTOR is a MO, they have no Massive in their game. They'd have to redo the whole game.....which means 300 million dollars down the drain.
".....which means another 300 million dollars down the drain."
This is a pretty solid no. Bioware has already released most of the details of the FTP model, and they have locked the game down so badly you can barely walk 10 feet without having to buy something. GW is a full game after the box purchase. Now if the choice were presented to a player that owned neither the initial box purchase of GW could be a turnoff, but honestly GW would still be the better purchase (and I didn't enjoy GW all that much).
Even if your a subscriber your limited. I spent more time on loading screens then actually being able to play the game. Yes I even have a high end PC for gaming and I run GW2 really well and Crysis 2 at max settings.
If your a gamer, you should have a solid state hard drive. Technology has moved on, you should too. Complaining about something that is your problem hardly makes it the games problem. This eliminates loading screen delays. No you don't have a high end gaming rig, thanks for the comedy.
I feel bad for the guy who said he likes' the game, coming to this site and saying you like this game is just asking to be punished and abused by the haters.
Luckly, for those that DO enjoy the game, it is evolving nicely, has a nice stable core of players that play regularly and enjoy the game. Reminds me of DAoC, the VN boards were a disaster, but in game it was a completely different experience.
I play regualarly with a solid group of friends and enjoy the game immensely. It is fun and runs well and has incredible content. Here we go, now I am going to be flamed royally for this CRAZY opinion. Well, bash me all you like, won't change my opinion or the fact that this is a solid game.
Edit: Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention, SWTOR is way better bang for your buck with their F2P option than GW2 IMO. So much more content and replayability that you get for free verse paying $60 bucks for GW2, thats 4 months of sub in SWTOR.
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It seems to be a side effect from hanging out in the SWTOR forums too long. Getting repeatedly shilled ends up striping away a persons individual opinions, and replacing them with EA banter / lies.
It's like EA denying that their graphics engine had problems, even on really good machines. It was always the customers fault. Why did Illum shut down? Oh yeah getting < 1 fps wasn't very fun. Heres an example:
DarthHater: Where are you on game engine optimizations? Because I currently get about 5 to 10 frames per second on Alderaan and about 20 in Huttball and I have a PC that can run Crysis 2 at ultra. With no real explanation on what is going on.
Daniel Erickson: Wow. You should do some investigation, because that is not typical. Where we are on game optimization in general is we’ve got some crazy, crazy options that you can turn on in 1.2. I played running around on several of the planets at fully acceptable wonderful running framerates on min spec machines now, which was the thing I wanted to see.
It seems to be a side effect from hanging out in the SWTOR forums too long. Getting repeatedly shilled ends up striping away a persons individual opinions, and replacing them with EA banter / lies.
It's like EA denying that their graphics engine had problems, even on really good machines. It was always the customers fault. Why did Illum shut down? Oh yeah getting < 1 fps wasn't very fun. Heres an example:
DarthHater: Where are you on game engine optimizations? Because I currently get about 5 to 10 frames per second on Alderaan and about 20 in Huttball and I have a PC that can run Crysis 2 at ultra. With no real explanation on what is going on.
Daniel Erickson: Wow. You should do some investigation, because that is not typical. Where we are on game optimization in general is we’ve got some crazy, crazy options that you can turn on in 1.2. I played running around on several of the planets at fully acceptable wonderful running framerates on min spec machines now, which was the thing I wanted to see.
Lol.......
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Sadly, SWTOR is plagued with haters (not saying they are not justified... but it is true), so no one will ever be able to get a decent "player review" of the game.
Swtor is a Bioware game. It has the Bioware elements. Stories, branching, decent quests, decent combat, linear... and is single player. That is why Bioware became good is becuase of SINGLE player games. They spent to much on something so simple, which seems to have been Bioware's philosophy since they were bought by EA (is that right?). My hopes go out to the company, especially for their continuation of Dragon Age and Mass Effect series (as many at my school still enjoy them). However, THERE IS NO WAY, no way at all, F2P Swtor will ever match the titan that is GW2, not even other F2P titles like Lotro and Runescape.
Did i just read that right? (rubs eyes) that BW is listening to the players on their F2P design?! HARDLY. Even hardcore supporters of the game have been complaining about their blatant greed grabs in this SOE-esc model they have going on.
And no, SWTOR Freemium model will never be better then GW2 B2P model because Freemiums are designed around one thing and one thing only, to force players to subscribe against their will.
I don't know who you are talking about. The people I know, and the forums in general are positive. Only the habitual compainers are compaining. They want the company to provide an abosolute free to play experience and resent the company making money.
Ahnog
Hokey religions are no replacement for a good blaster at your side.
Basically SWTOR can't compete; NCSoft do not need to monetize every last pixel in order to hit their planned profit margins.
SWTOR was designed as a subscription based game selling maybe 3M through sales (perhaps 5M to retailers) in the first year and 1.2M subs early on. JR never saif how long they needed to retain the subs but EA stressed in their initial reporting that it was subs that were crucial. An xpac will have featured in the mix as well.
EA are now assuming that 50% of their income will come from the cash shop and 50% from subs.
GW1 advertised itself as sub free, sold tens of millions of boxes. Several paid for expansions followed which, in turn, sold tens of millions of copies.
GW2 is - essentially - GW1 with a cash shop on the side. Unlike SWTOR GW2 will continue to sell, this year, next year, the year after. There will be expansions. So unless NCSoft become very greedy - and there is no sign of it - then this is a battle that SWTOR will always lose.
I recently started playing SWTOR again. But, when it goes F2P, I will be quitting for good since I do not like their F2P model at all.
I am curious to see what F2P is going to do to the industry now since Turbine is laying people off. Afterall...Turbine has one of the best F2P models in the business IMHO. I wish all MMO developers would go back to P2P, TOTALLY get rid of cash shops and just drop their monthly fee.
There are plenty of well thought out threads where multiple posters have explained (even calmly) as to why SWToR failed and will continue to fail as an MMO. The F2P conversion is one of the worst F2P structures i have seen in a long time, but i will say i might DL the F2P client and do the free 1-50 content, then bail on it after i have had my fill of it. I expect to not drop a single dime on the F2P part.
Also mentioning that they added 2 more matches to the already dismal 3, is like adding a small sprinkle of sugar to and entire bowl of plain oatmeal. When i did play SWToR i ran PvP matches 10-20 a day (mainly cause the game was rather dull beside that) So umm 5 for the whole week is anemic at best.
Seriously, why are you comparing SWToR to GW2 ? why not MoP ? or TSW ? or Tera ? i think you misunderstand the revenue model that GW2 has, it is not a free client, its a 60.00 client, then the rest of the game is free. Whereas SWToR is going to be a free client and then require you to pay for the rest of the content other than the 1-50 leveling. (yes its not exact but its a pretty direct comparison).
Good luck in SWToR, it can be a good game for those who have to be in a SW MMO, but for me its the game not the background that makes it for me, if it was the background that only mattered i would still be in LoTRO...bleh.
Exactly, I'm looking to just finsh off the storylines for all those characters I created, for nothing. Sod anything else.
One thing you can say about GW2, you don't stay for the story
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< But thats just solely based off me disliking GW2 and feeling extremely underwhelmed to the point of boredom with it. Over-all I guess you could take in consideration GW2's cost and it actually can put SWTOR ahead of GW2 in terms of cost if you can grab anything you ever want out of it for under $50. SWTOR personal stories aren't the best comparing to single player but I had a lot more fun with them then I did with GW2's... 'interesting' story line. Don't get me wrong though, both games to me are lack luster, just SWTOR will get me more play time by giving me something to do with leveling alts and experiencing the story lines, something GW2 Failed horribly for me for finding fun with.
I don't fully see the comparison. In GW2, extra inventory & bank space & character slots (over 5) can be purchased with in-game gold OR real life cash in the cash shop. In contrast, EA has stated that Cartel Coins will be obtainable only via transfer of real money.
The rest of the stuff in GW2 is entirely optional, isn't it? xp boosts, costumes, convenience items.
Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.
I mean even the "Bioware is giving its class stories away for free" isn't a viable argument. MMO's are about gameplay with others, and this game (especially with F2P restrictions) has horendous implementation of the concept. If I want a deep story I'll go read A Song of Ice and Fire. If I want a game to play, online, with an immersive atmosphere, I'll choose GW2 over TOR everytime. But again, to each his own.
same here, I didn't feel that immersed into SWTOR.
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Now that's a pure exaggeration. LOL.
Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E
Go to the top of page 3, I said it myself as well, his argument is invalid because it was not backed up very well...LOL
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".....which means another 300 million dollars down the drain."
Fixed it for you.
It seems to be a side effect from hanging out in the SWTOR forums too long. Getting repeatedly shilled ends up striping away a persons individual opinions, and replacing them with EA banter / lies.
It's like EA denying that their graphics engine had problems, even on really good machines. It was always the customers fault. Why did Illum shut down? Oh yeah getting < 1 fps wasn't very fun. Heres an example:
Guild Summit: Interview With Daniel Erickson
From http://www.darthhater.com/articles/swtor-news/19981-guild-summit-interview-with-daniel-erickson/daniel-erickson-interview-part-2
March 14, 2012
DarthHater: Where are you on game engine optimizations? Because I currently get about 5 to 10 frames per second on Alderaan and about 20 in Huttball and I have a PC that can run Crysis 2 at ultra. With no real explanation on what is going on.
Daniel Erickson: Wow. You should do some investigation, because that is not typical. Where we are on game optimization in general is we’ve got some crazy, crazy options that you can turn on in 1.2. I played running around on several of the planets at fully acceptable wonderful running framerates on min spec machines now, which was the thing I wanted to see.
Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.
Lol.......
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One game makes you pay to have more quick slot bars, hide helmet, unify colors for gear.
In the other one you have the full UI, plenty of gear dyes, toggleable slots, appearance tabs and a working engine... for free
=> GW2 wins
Sadly, SWTOR is plagued with haters (not saying they are not justified... but it is true), so no one will ever be able to get a decent "player review" of the game.
Swtor is a Bioware game. It has the Bioware elements. Stories, branching, decent quests, decent combat, linear... and is single player. That is why Bioware became good is becuase of SINGLE player games. They spent to much on something so simple, which seems to have been Bioware's philosophy since they were bought by EA (is that right?). My hopes go out to the company, especially for their continuation of Dragon Age and Mass Effect series (as many at my school still enjoy them). However, THERE IS NO WAY, no way at all, F2P Swtor will ever match the titan that is GW2, not even other F2P titles like Lotro and Runescape.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation
I don't know who you are talking about. The people I know, and the forums in general are positive. Only the habitual compainers are compaining. They want the company to provide an abosolute free to play experience and resent the company making money.
Ahnog
Hokey religions are no replacement for a good blaster at your side.
Basically SWTOR can't compete; NCSoft do not need to monetize every last pixel in order to hit their planned profit margins.
SWTOR was designed as a subscription based game selling maybe 3M through sales (perhaps 5M to retailers) in the first year and 1.2M subs early on. JR never saif how long they needed to retain the subs but EA stressed in their initial reporting that it was subs that were crucial. An xpac will have featured in the mix as well.
EA are now assuming that 50% of their income will come from the cash shop and 50% from subs.
GW1 advertised itself as sub free, sold tens of millions of boxes. Several paid for expansions followed which, in turn, sold tens of millions of copies.
GW2 is - essentially - GW1 with a cash shop on the side. Unlike SWTOR GW2 will continue to sell, this year, next year, the year after. There will be expansions. So unless NCSoft become very greedy - and there is no sign of it - then this is a battle that SWTOR will always lose.
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I recently started playing SWTOR again. But, when it goes F2P, I will be quitting for good since I do not like their F2P model at all.
I am curious to see what F2P is going to do to the industry now since Turbine is laying people off. Afterall...Turbine has one of the best F2P models in the business IMHO. I wish all MMO developers would go back to P2P, TOTALLY get rid of cash shops and just drop their monthly fee.
Even in SWTOR currents state it's lightyears more fun than the boring meaningless zerging in GW2.
If they manage space combat and some QOL improvements, a ton of bored GW2 people will return to the light side
By the way TSW is far superior to both and so are Rift and EVE.
F2P games have a reason to be F2P
Exactly, I'm looking to just finsh off the storylines for all those characters I created, for nothing. Sod anything else.
One thing you can say about GW2, you don't stay for the story
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