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Cancelled my pre-order today. Heres why
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Bad news are the best news, you know the trick...
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Fuck it, I can't.
Hey, I was not specifically pointing at you, don't worry
It was more (yet another) general explanation about why some flames are thrown towards people who fill the urge to create a thread about how "they won't purchase gw2", how "they're thinking it's not as good as it's said it is", or any [insert opposition to general excitement].
I'm not against critics, of course, they can open some eyes and sometimes create some very interesting debates. But when they're done so poorly (in this case with gw2), and when you can debunk 80% of their substance with a simple "I admit I didn't play the part I'm criticizing yet", or even worse, "I admit I didn't play the game yet" .... well, I don't call it a critic. It's like basing a whole movie critic upon some other critic you read in a newspaper. You just don't create a magazine column about it.
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I can understand most of those points. I do feel too many people have nailed their provebial flag to the mast with GW2, rather then just taking a punt on the game and not expecting anything apart from some enjoyment short term and hopefully meeting some nice people.
Anyway best of luck with TSW and PS2
This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!
Raiding in a MMO hasn't been fun since waking the Sleeper in EQ1.
Honestly if a game goes against WoW's pointless raid system then by all means it's a +1 buy in my book.
As for zerg pvp... Make friends.
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
Same like other threads hyping the level 80 content, which is not really far tested, and hyping the WvWvW which is also not really tested hard yet. Strange that some1 gets quoted when he says a critic and when some1 hype it, everyone gives him a +.
If you can point me at more than 3 threads hyping lvl 80 content, I'd aknowledge you. And I mean real lvl 80 content, and real hyping stuff, like "Raids are awesome", "Endgame is awesome", "The PvP ranking system is awesome", "Returning back to lvl 10 zones while I was 80 is awesome", etc ..
Meanwhile, threads bashing things that can't be fully tested yet are just appearing on a regular basis ...
Plus, there's a whole difference between "I tested WvWvW for 3 days, and it's awesome, here is why : " ... and "I tried WvWvW and it's just a zergfest". You don't reduce a whole game feature to "it's a zergfest" when there are plenty, plenty of youtube videos that can prove the opposite. At least if you want to bring some credibility to the critic.
Any not-half-assed beta tester who tried WvWvW with a bit of investigation, without waiting stuff to come on a silver plate, does know that they're not necessarly a zergfest. In the same way, you can call any game to be a "button masher" if you just don't care about the buttons you push.
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imo.
Grim Dawn, the next great action rpg!
http://www.grimdawn.com/
Well, I disagree with almost everything you said on this post. A whole bunch of misinformation, but since you "cancelled your pre-order", I guess it doesn't really matter.
I'm glad you found a game you like. GW2 is that game for me.
I'm assuming since you have decided that you won't be playing GW2 because you don't like it that we won't be seeing any more posts from you regarding the game? After all, if you don't like the game, why bother trying to make it "better"? If you don't like it, why bother with it at all?
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!
There are MMOs that have zergy PvP that is fun (daoc) because they were specifically built for it, and then there are others where it isn't fun because it's just an afterthought (wow, gw2, WAR). Zergy pvp can be very fun if done right.
my review of GW2
Just catching up on the thread today, but Bilbodoggins you've got to be called out on this one. This thread is the 2nd thread i've seen you start for certain on disliking GW2. Not once but twice only if we judge on what you started, if we rightfully include threads of which you have involved yourself in I can quickly count at least 4 times you have voiced your opinion. Not once but 4 times at least.
What makes me wonder is how he decided to say goodbye to mmorpg.com because of the amount of Gw2 fanboiz around , like a victim , then he decided to make a thread criticizing gw2 , in the heart of gw2 community, ... It gives me the impression that he likes to be whipped around by the people, really cant tell if he is masochist or just plain troll.
Aaaaaaaaaand I stopped taking you seriously right after this.
Makes me wonder if you indeed played "all the beta". Even tho I came to an opinion that you didn't based on what I read in your whole post or I'm just disagreeing with you...
Tho, glad that you found a game which you enjoy! Have fun.
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life."
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Do these people find a template online or something for these kind of posts?
Seriously, they are all exactly the same - either 1) same guy 2) using a template 3) groupthink/brainwashing?
add TSW in the list
Haters will always hate.
There is nothing wrong with GW2 PvE, it is better than most, I HAVE played TSW, TERA, RIFT, WoW, etc. I feel this game has better PvE content as well as the unknown content when you explore.
I think it is time to have this thread locked because there is nothing being discussed only nashing of teeth.
I have a feeling that the OP is not interested in a discussion given the reasons he has posted as to why he has cancelled his pre-order of GW2; if he's even pre-ordered at all. This is not an attempt to get the OP to pre-purchase or pre-order GW2 but to show how his reasons are fundamentally incorrect, mininformed and misleading.
All quotes were taken from: http://www.guildwarsinsider.com/krewe-guild-wars-2-mmo-busy-adults/
Yellow: Your argument as to why Anet "removed" (as if they had them and then took them off) Raids reeks of bias and ignorance. The fact that characterized GW2's gameplay to button mashing zergfest speaks to the fact that most likely you never even played the game; you probably didn't even pre-order the game.
"Thankfully, Guild Wars 2 doesn’t have raiding. What it does have are other forms of large-scale, cooperative content that are far more dynamic, and far less monopolizing of your time, than raiding. The best part about all of this content is that you can participate and compete in every bit of it on a level playing field, without the barrier to entry of gear grinds, regardless of how much time you have to play."
Dungeons (GW2's version of Raids):
"There will be eight dungeons in Guild Wars 2 at launch, offering a total of 24 different dungeon experiences once you factor in that each has a single Story Mode and three Explorable Modes. If you’ve played other MMOs, dungeon are still the instanced, team-based PvE zones you know and love. The main difference with dungeons in Guild Wars 2 being that, without the need of dedicated tanks and healers, it shouldn’t take you longer to find a group to run the dungeon than it does to actually finish it. All you need are four other players and a couple of hours dedicated to exploring their depths. Also, because you aren’t hindered by those traditional roles, it places far more emphasis on true cooperation and skill rather than one player doing all of the boss management, one player doing all of the healing, and the other three doing all the damage. In Guild Wars 2, each of you will be able to contribute equally. Each new group composition will require its own strategy, making each dungeon run feel far more unique and challenging than in other MMOs.
The best part for the busy adult gamer is that these dungeons will always scale you down to their level, meaning they never become obsolete. The gear they reward you with is comparable with other gear of the same level found elsewhere in the game through crafting or normal PvE play, and will scale with your actual character level. If you want to run Ascalonian Catacombs (a level 30 dungeon) when you’re level 80, you can do so and still find a challenge and rewards that are just as meaningful as if you had ran it at level 30. There’s no grind here. There’s no need to run them repeatedly in order to “gear up,” since the only thing unique about the gear is the cosmetic look of weapons and armor coming from each dungeon. Dungeons offer a unique set of challenges and rewards without requiring excessive time commitments."
Red: Again, your argument as to why GW2 doesn't have a monthly sub is due to their lack of content? OP, you are so high on your own bias and ignorance, even if we dragged you out of the cave kicking and screaming, you would just run back in.
"The payment model of any game greatly influences game design decisions which support that model. Raiding is certainly a byproduct of subscription MMOs, and one which we’ve already covered. If you have kids who want to play with you, it’s as easy as purchasing another copy of the game. You’re not forced into paying another monthly fee for something your child may only pick up and play a handful of times per month. If you want to play with friends who are new to the game, you can take your existing character and be scaled down in level so you can enjoy the game right beside them at a moment’s notice. You don’t even have to both be on the same server, thanks to Guild Wars 2′s guesting system.
"ArenaNet can provide you with all of this convenience because, unlike a subscription MMO developer, they don’t need Guild Wars 2 to be the only game you ever play. Once you’ve purchased the copy, you’re done. It’s all about getting your initial investment’s worth of entertainment. If you stop playing for a couple of weeks to try out another title, or to take a family vacation, or to handle a business trip, it doesn’t matter. Guild Wars 2 will still be waiting for you when you get back without costing you an extra penny. Guild Wars 2 doesn’t need to get you to play out of guilt. You’ll never have to think to yourself “Well, I’m paying $15 a month for it, so I’d better log in.” Just like any other non-subscription game you have loaded on your PC or console game that is sitting on your shelf, the only thing making you play Guild Wars 2 is your own enjoyment. Play it because you want to, and not because you have to."
"Guild Wars 2 is an expansive, dynamic game with numerous fun and rewarding ways to experience it. Play as much or as little as you want, whenever you can. You are completely free to explore and experience the game at your own pace, without penalty. It’s the perfect MMO, regardless of how busy your life outside of gaming is."
Blue: OP you are either ridiculously misinformed or hopelessly ignorant of what GW2 is all about and what all it has to offer. I'm beginnign to suspect you never played it and in fact quite possibly never even pre-ordered it.
WVW:
"The WVW game mode in Guild Wars 2 is an epic two-week long battle for dominance between three servers across four massive and interconnected maps. The rewards from WvW include buffs called Power of the Mists which provide bonuses to things like health, experience gain and gathering. These bonuses carry over to PvE, so the more effective your server is in WvW combat, the more the entire server benefits. The siege of a large keep is a huge undertaking that can include dozens of players on each side, and the strategic use towering siege equipment.
Regardless of your group size, there is something you can contribute to the war effort. Individuals can take out enemy sentries and supply caravans, robbing their enemies of resources needed to maintain their defenses. Small groups can capture enemy supply camps or reinforce their own. Larger groups can fight in battles over fortifications that would make Peter Jackson want to bust out his camera and start filming. Because your opponents are players and not giant, scripted NPCs, each and every time you enter WvW you’ll have a different experience.
The best part about WvW is that you can come and go at will. If you only have 30 minutes to play, you can jump into WvW and have enough time to take a supply camp or defend a tower. Even if you simply run around gathering ore, wood and herbs for your crafting, ambushing enemy players along the way, you’re still contributing to the war effort. If you can stay longer, then consider joining a squad under the leadership of an experienced Commander. This will allow you to join forces with your fellow players in larger scale battles for as long as you’re able to play. When the time comes to leave, there are no strings attached. Another soldier will rise to take your place in the ranks."
SPVP:
"One of my favorite cases for why ArenaNet has created the perfect MMO for adult players is SPVP. Other MMOs may have PvP battlegrounds or warzones that you can compete in without being max level, but even that comes down to who has the best gear and who is the highest level. If you have better stats or more abilities at your disposal than your opponent, then you’re going to win. In many MMOs, the “real” game doesn’t even begin until you’re max level. Any PvP done before then won’t reward you with the best gear, nor does it offer the same complexity since you won’t have your full complement of abilities at your disposal.
These other MMOs also have specialized PvP stats on their gear, like resilience or expertise. These stats are completely arbitrary in nature, and are placed on gear to increase your damage done and reduce the damage done to you in a PvP setting. The only reason stats like this exist is so you can’t bring the gear you’ve acquired elsewhere in the game into a PvP setting and be competitive. This means you have to sit through another gear grind if you want to level the playing field. More time spent getting gear is more time spent on your subscription.
Guild Wars 2 unshackles players from this kind of nonsense. In Guild Wars 2 you can enter the Mists very shortly after character creation. This zone is a PvP lobby where you can access your max level character for organized PvP play. In sPvP, you have full access to all of your weapons, armor, skills and traits. You can participate in Hot Join matches, jumping in and out at your leisure without restrictions, or get together with friends for more organized Tournament play. The great thing about sPvP is that it can be as casual or hardcore of an experience as you want it to be. Spend 15 minutes or spend an entire afternoon, it’s up to you. The only determining factors of who wins are communication and skill. Even the most hardcore player will only be rewarded with cosmetic upgrades in gear. His stats will be the same as yours. There’s no grind to concern yourself with. If all you want to do is hop in and run some matches, this is a perfectly viable way to enjoy doing so without needing to spend days or weeks leveling first."
Orange: OP, Character progression continues from lvl 1 to lvl 80 and beyond; only difference is that you don't gain any more lvls hafter lvl 80, you gain skill points, gold, gear, etc, etc. And you are right, in GW2 "everything is endgame", in other words, you don't have to grind your way to lvl 80 to start enjoying the game, you get to enjoy the game from lvl 1. That is the beauty of GW2, all carrot, no stick.
Summary: I've come to the conclusion that you have not played GW2 or even pre-ordered the game. I don't know if you'll even bother to read my response, I hope you do; I read yours. There is nothing wrong with not liking a game or saying that you think the game does not live up to the hype or that it does not live up to your expectations. However, when you willfully misinform people and misrepresent what a game has to offer that's where I, and most likely many others, have an issue. We are not saying you can't dislike GW2, what we are saying, at least I am, is if you're going to dislike something, dislike it for the right reasons, not for the wrong reasons. By wrong reasons I mean false, fundamentally incorrect, mininformed and misleading.
Cheers!
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5081999#5081999So OP what made you return early?
Still couldn't stop crying over the fact that GW2 is more popular than your fav game so you return to lie and spread misinformation? You obviously either haven't played the game or if you did are just plain lieing because the things you present as facts aren't even valid as opinions within the context of the game.
You know that by posting here the hype ranks and score on these boards will only increase right?
People often complain about "the hype" and how "fanboys" ruin forums - but the negativity of "haters" will always, always be a far more destructive elements than any amount of positive energy.
They just can't STAND other people having things they enjoy, and want to bring everyone else down to their level of hatred and disappointment cause "their games" are not good enough to stand up to the criticism on their own merit - so they defend them with ferocious, vile contempt.
By horrible PVE you mean PVE that allows players to play together regardless of levels (level scaling), where there is no mob/loot/node stealing, dynamic events rather than linear griding quests and complete freedom to play at your own pace, style and direction without behing left behind the gear/level curve? *sigh
As to the pvp, I don't think there is a single game which offers more diverse, fun and balanced pvp than GW2.
Comments such as Kertin's post truly show how people will say anything these days. You give them the whole carrot with no stick and they still complain... incredible!
the dynamic webs that take place on Orr do not have the same conslusion everytime. They will vary with how they interact with other dynamic events.
To date all we have seen in low level stuff and so does not show the complexity of the dynamic event system. Since they have made it extremely clear for years that DEs are the "endgame" and as you level up they become more complex. I myself am looking forward to actually using my brain to some the DE puzzles as they appear and figuring out which group of DEs cause which conculsion to take place.
This game is not about a gear grind either. If you want to look fancy you can and so you can grind for it. But it is not required. Also PvP is the "endgame" for some and again they can do that from the start.
Have fun in your other game ,which is extremely boring btw, and no where near the coomplexity or quality.
One less whiner to hear a week after the game launch.
MMOs ARE THE JOURNEY. NOT THE END OF THE JOURNEY.
"endgame" is the end of the journey. In all MMOs except GW2
p.s. great reply Sammandar
A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.