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Why the new video on HK-51 Shows that SWTOR is not in peril...
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more to do with the video i suspect, and a case of being in agreement with you than otherwise, at least thats how i read it
No...not refering to you.
You have quelled my fears that I had fallen fast and hard and completely unknowningly. Good to see you chatting again Teala.
What?
I guess you meant 11/123 = 9%
I did
I agree with you. They are shaking up the development and getting new fresh eyes on it. That doesnt mean they pull the plug. MMORPG has the most negative nellies out of any website I have ever seen so I also agree with you on there.
OP, you made a valid post and valid logic. But you still hinge on an assumption. You ask of people to not call you a fanboy, to respect logic and opinion, then respect logic yourself. You, in your own post, first ACCEPT the probability that the trailer was made long ago (as was the companion in question made long ago, just kept unavailable to make it into a "new content"). Then you continue ignoring that and state, as a fact, that "game is not dead", "spending lots of money on trailers means SWTOR is not in peril". Yet you just accepted that you CANNOT rely on that as a FACT because it may have as well been done long ago, not recently.
Simply said, two possibilities with unknown chance (so we can as well assume 50/50)
1) Trailer made recently
2) Trailer made long ago
First logically implies game is not dead (since they can still spend $$$)
Second logically implies that trailer is irrelevant to the game's current status (since it was made before the game's current situation could influence it)
So there is and unknown (assume 50%) chance that you can say that "SWTOR is not dead" and unknown (assume 50%) chance that you can only HOPE it isnt dead, but have nothing to back that up.
Now, why do you keep ignoring that and keep saying that "SWTOR IS OKAY" as a fact? Why do you keep beeing arrogant, negative and talking lowly about people who argue with you?
Watch this and in your head yell, "GOOOOOO SAAVEEE HIIIMMMM!!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3dI-ghYimg&feature=related
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/There's just no point in discussing it here, again. Nobody is going to score any Valuable Forum Points by Proving The Other Guys Wrong.
Come back in two years.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Boy what a great example to give about AoC. Sure showed them.
>_>
You really think considering the amount of players, servers, and sales that game had and where it is now makes that a good example?
Whew....
Should have used a better one like WoW. Think every game that launches has the doom crew saying this is it for WoW. GW was going to crush it, VG, etc.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Sorry, not getting baited today.
In fact; thank you. You just got this toxin out of my system for good.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Uh yeah, not baiting. Just pointing out your example sucked.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Nothing like a SWTOR thread to bring out the rabit haters. When does GW2 come out again so they have something to do?
Childish or not he is right.
Its a TRAILER, a commercial, commercials are fabricated to show the best part(s) of what ever product or service they want to sell. Chances are the entire trailer is staged. Commercials almost per definition do not show the down sides of their product offered.
You are right though, the game isnt dead yet, I dont have any ill will against the game and hopefully it does recover. But you DO need to start being realistic about what a Trailer REALLY is.
No.
Just look at ANY of the P2P games that went F2P in the last 4 years as a prime example of how you dont know what you are talking about.
EQ1, EQ2, UO, DAOC, Conan, AC1, AO, DCUO, LOTRO....DDO!
OP how old are you? Have you seen the original trilogy before they got turned into cartoons? Are you a true fan or are you part of what is destroying the franchise? Not criticism, just questions, for now.
A trailer that is what 2 minutes long and shows absolutely no gameplay is undisputable proof TOR is thriving? I don't get it.
One trailer verses 200 empty servers, free month give-a-way, absolutely no added content after 8 months and nothing but another 2 minute trailer that doesn't show gameplay saying more content will be soon™, 200 layoffs, lead combat designer ran out of the country, executive producer gone, more layoffs, and EA CEO himself is rumored to have been voted out of the company by the board of trustees (Official announcement expected after the next profits call or whatever it's called).
One 2 minute trailer trumps every other thing that says something bad is happening? I'm a trolling hater more than I'm a realist?
So, it's a trailer of a companion maybe? I'm not getting how this cgi trailer shouts "it's not in peril".
I think the few servers that are left and the dozens and dozens and dozens of empty servers tell me what's going on, not to mention lay off after layoff, not to mention "Hey free 30 days!" "Hey free 7 days play!" "Hey free to level 15!". The game hasn't even made it to the 1 year mark yet and they're begging people to come play. I could see after a couple years giving out free trials, then the game has some age to it. I haven't seen so much failure since Warhammer to be honest.
I seriously don't get how the cgi trailer means much. Like usual, BW tells you nothing.
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
Dark Age of Camelot
Just remember the old saying:
"Throwing money at a problem doesnt make it go away"
Eh...if someone finds me to be a problem they're more than welcome to throw money at me and I'll gladly go away. :P
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
My problem was after finishing the Jedi Knight story line I could not get myself to play through the lifeless worlds again. I stayed with WoW off and on for 6 years so it is not like my standards are that high but after the novelty of lightsabers wore off there was no reason to play another raid treadmill gear grinder.
I guess the OP completely missed (or refuses to acknowledge) the massive layoffs at the Austin studio for this "successful" game, or the fact the Austin studio head was (alledgedly) asked to leave for overseeing such a turd. And some of the reasons all these people at MMORPG hate SWTOR is (pick your poison):
1. SWTOR's combat system is more WoW than WoW. It's an uninspired cooldown-fest that entertains only the self-loathing (sorry if I offended anyone who is self-loathing).
2. Manditory, cookie-cutter side quests that could have been from any formula MMORPG, with as much imaginative thought put into them as a politician kissing a baby.
3. Beau coup bucks spent on VO for every damn thing in the game rather than creative content and systems development.
4. Space combat pinched out from the Super Nintendo.
5. Choices in the dialogue trees really actually do absolutely nothing further down in the story line, except maybe offer a different dialogue choice. That's a pillar that's about as sturdy as two sheets of toilet paper against an oncoming commuter train.
6. Typical end game gear grind consisting of repeatedly doing the same finite amount of dungeons or playing uninspired PvP. And the gear was ugly. Can't play good Barbie-dress-up with ugly gear.
7. Ultimately, no reason for a monthly sub.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
You mean Super Nintendo.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Duly edited.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
I'm curious to see how many Bioware devs need to be fired for SWTOR fans to admit the game is in trouble.