This is what happens in WoW. So much for your 10 million subs, most are chinese gold farmers with many multiple acounts.
Also, isn't WoW F2P in China (or pay-by-hour)? I don't think there are any games there that require a legit sub.
If so, well, that explains the high number this entire time - doh'nit?
Sure does. It was all bogus numbers they were telling everyone because the only source of marketing they have for WoW is telling everyone millions are playing it when in reality they aren't. It was fake advertsing. I would think at one time they had alot of real players playing but all these years it was nothing but gold farmers in China holding a large percentage of WoW players.
How does this work, if there aren't many more regular players to buy all that gold?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Me, like 99% of all the other people who will be playing the game will be selling on the RMAH, not buying. Especially with today's economy...people won't shovel real cash into this game, originally knowing it's a Buy to Play game.
They'll soon realize "damn, i just paid for x,y,z" for buying this item or two.
"Good, honorable gamers will continue to fit the bill for the poor and lower classed people. It's just a sign of the times." ~ Anonymous. Lakexeno.com
Diablo 2 had a thriving "farmer" community--- selling duplicated items and currency, as well as rare drops and "legendary items", some idiots used those "services" to purchase said items through third party services and it was plain as day that this was happening; all you had to do was log into Battle.net for Diablo 2 and you'd see walls of currency and item spam on the various lobby channels, and people are acting surprised that this is happening again in Diablo 3?
Does the RMAH suck? Yeah, I'm not a fan of the idea, but the simple solution is: JUSt DON'T USE THE RMAH!
Blizzard even stated that it was because of the lack of security on third party sites that they were implementing the RMAH, so it's basically the same service, only now handled through Blizzard, and you actually see the item you're buying and know you'll get it, as opposed to being ripped off.
I don't like the idea, but they knew that scams and unsecured transactions were happening, and created a solution. If you weren't one of the people that relied on giving REAL CASH to some farmer to acquire the item you so desperately wanted, then this shouldn't even be an issue.
If you just HAVE to fork out even more REAL cash for a digital item, then at least you know you'll actually get it now, and with an actual auction house to keep prices competitive and low, you should probably be thankful you won't be forking out as much real cash as you normally would through one website.
Seriously, though... JUST DON'T USE THE RMAH!
The only thing that changed was where you will buy. Blizzard isn't taking some high road here. They are now endorsing/allowing something they used to not allow as long as you use THEIR system to do it and Blizzard gets it's cut of the action. The moral/ethical judgement of the action itself hasn't changed.
[edit]Also, by the sheer financial accomplishments of this game, do you think they won't include these types of things in future games? By buying the game you have basically said to them that you are accepting of it or at least indifferent to them putting it in game. Even if it only does mediocre in D3 upon launch of the RMAH, it will be added to future games on possible future sales without backlash from customers.[/edit]
To other posts, if gold is completely worthless at this point, D2 already covered what happens when you change what is considered the legal tender.
Me, like 99% of all the other people who will be playing the game will be selling on the RMAH, not buying. Especially with today's economy...people won't shovel real cash into this game, originally knowing it's a Buy to Play game.
They'll soon realize "damn, i just paid for x,y,z" for buying this item or two.
Posting sales requires a deposit. A deposit into your Blizzard account. Which they stated, the balance of which can only be used for Blizzard products or transferred to third party systems after a % based charge. Or did they change that?
Sure does. It was all bogus numbers they were telling everyone because the only source of marketing they have for WoW is telling everyone millions are playing it when in reality they aren't. It was fake advertsing. I would think at one time they had alot of real players playing but all these years it was nothing but gold farmers in China holding a large percentage of WoW players.
How does this work, if there aren't many more regular players to buy all that gold?
Answer: Turn the regular players into gold farmers, and then take a cut of their profits selling to eachother..
Either side of the equation, you've payed Blizzard to be able to work for them. Guess its a good thing the game is so awesome.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Thanks for breaking it down, Souldrainer. That was probably the most brain numbing youtube vid I ever attempted to watch.
NP. I should add for clarity that the hackers do not hack Blizzard. They hack forums of sites like MMO Champion, Darth Hater, your guild site, and other fan sites. The lower the security of these sites, the better for them. As stated, they hack the DB and then leave it alone. They have your account name and password and you will never know it! Sites with lesser security won't even know they've been hacked.
As to the general ethics of this issue, it really transforms Diablo 3 into a perpetual money making machine. It will move box after box, and make dollar after dollar on the back of the RMAH. This is big money!
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so the gold sellers are saying that the price will lower so much that its not worth them farming the game
am i the only one who dosent see a down point in this
I would like that. It would force Blizzard to rethink some of its design decisions. It could only make the game better for ordinary players I believe. If the gap between how much gold ordinary players can find and what professional farmers can get is astronomical they will have to address that problem. Because there is competiotion between different farmers and if you can buy millions of gold for almost nothing all prices and gold sinks in the game will be broken. Such as the price to upgrade gems, repair costs and so on. But if they just increase the prices it will not work. Because that would help/support the farmers and make the game boring for the players. If they did that to many would quit the game. Hopefully, instead, they would change the AH. Perhaps only allow items and not gold to be sold for real money.
I think it's great. These guys are begging Blizzard to decrease their competion by hobbling real players with gold sinks and fees:
Farmer: I wanted to point out that Blizzard should make more sinks and higher fees according to prices.
They're also begging Blizzard to improve their bot detection software in hopes that less skillful botters will be caught, thereby decreasing their competition even more.
While I'd much rather companies come down so harshly on buyers and sellers that gold farming doesn't exist at all in MMOs, since they obviously can't or won't do that, this system is the next best thing. Players who wouldn't ordinarily risk their accounts by buying and selling items are now in direct, safe competition with gold farmers. I hope Blizzard's Titan has a real money auction house, too. I swear, I can almost smell the panic on this guy. He's freaking out because he knows this trend, properly managed, could destroy his livelihood forever.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
I think it's great. These guys are begging Blizzard to decrease their competion by hobbling real players with gold sinks and fees:
Farmer: I wanted to point out that Blizzard should make more sinks and higher fees according to prices.
They're also begging Blizzard to improve their bot detection software in hopes that less skillful botters will be caught, thereby decreasing their competition even more.
While I'd much rather companies come down so harshly on buyers and sellers that gold farming doesn't exist at all in MMOs, since they obviously can't or won't do that, this system is the next best thing. Players who wouldn't ordinarily risk their accounts by buying and selling items are now in direct, safe competition with gold farmers. I hope Blizzard's Titan has a real money auction house, too. I swear, I can almost smell the panic on this guy. He's freaking out because he knows this trend, properly managed, could destroy his livelihood forever.
Some people dont like the reality that someone that can spend more will be better. If real money trading is not allowed you can call them cheaters if they buy gear from third party sellers. When its supported by the company you cant do that. I think for some people its impossible to accept that some can and will spend money and be more powerful.
Personally I think everything you have and can do in a game should also be earned in the game. The idea that someone not playing much that spend a lot of money is the best feels wrong, Its like competing in a sport and paying the organization to win. Obviously its not fair...
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Capitolism at its finest.
How does this work, if there aren't many more regular players to buy all that gold?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Me, like 99% of all the other people who will be playing the game will be selling on the RMAH, not buying. Especially with today's economy...people won't shovel real cash into this game, originally knowing it's a Buy to Play game.
They'll soon realize "damn, i just paid for x,y,z" for buying this item or two.
"Good, honorable gamers will continue to fit the bill for the poor and lower classed people. It's just a sign of the times." ~ Anonymous. Lakexeno.com
The only thing that changed was where you will buy. Blizzard isn't taking some high road here. They are now endorsing/allowing something they used to not allow as long as you use THEIR system to do it and Blizzard gets it's cut of the action. The moral/ethical judgement of the action itself hasn't changed.
[edit]Also, by the sheer financial accomplishments of this game, do you think they won't include these types of things in future games? By buying the game you have basically said to them that you are accepting of it or at least indifferent to them putting it in game. Even if it only does mediocre in D3 upon launch of the RMAH, it will be added to future games on possible future sales without backlash from customers.[/edit]
To other posts, if gold is completely worthless at this point, D2 already covered what happens when you change what is considered the legal tender.
Posting sales requires a deposit. A deposit into your Blizzard account. Which they stated, the balance of which can only be used for Blizzard products or transferred to third party systems after a % based charge. Or did they change that?
Answer: Turn the regular players into gold farmers, and then take a cut of their profits selling to eachother..
Either side of the equation, you've payed Blizzard to be able to work for them. Guess its a good thing the game is so awesome.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
NP. I should add for clarity that the hackers do not hack Blizzard. They hack forums of sites like MMO Champion, Darth Hater, your guild site, and other fan sites. The lower the security of these sites, the better for them. As stated, they hack the DB and then leave it alone. They have your account name and password and you will never know it! Sites with lesser security won't even know they've been hacked.
As to the general ethics of this issue, it really transforms Diablo 3 into a perpetual money making machine. It will move box after box, and make dollar after dollar on the back of the RMAH. This is big money!
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so the gold sellers are saying that the price will lower so much that its not worth them farming the game
am i the only one who dosent see a down point in this
poor farmer cant make back his investment i really hope they have to sell 100 billion for only 1$ makes me laugh
and i think they are dreaming that they will get more than $1 for a item
I would like that. It would force Blizzard to rethink some of its design decisions. It could only make the game better for ordinary players I believe. If the gap between how much gold ordinary players can find and what professional farmers can get is astronomical they will have to address that problem. Because there is competiotion between different farmers and if you can buy millions of gold for almost nothing all prices and gold sinks in the game will be broken. Such as the price to upgrade gems, repair costs and so on. But if they just increase the prices it will not work. Because that would help/support the farmers and make the game boring for the players. If they did that to many would quit the game. Hopefully, instead, they would change the AH. Perhaps only allow items and not gold to be sold for real money.
Not too surprising given they're adding effectively the same ItemMall in WOW and pretty much tailored the whole game around them.
I think it's great. These guys are begging Blizzard to decrease their competion by hobbling real players with gold sinks and fees:
Farmer: I wanted to point out that Blizzard should make more sinks and higher fees according to prices.
They're also begging Blizzard to improve their bot detection software in hopes that less skillful botters will be caught, thereby decreasing their competition even more.
While I'd much rather companies come down so harshly on buyers and sellers that gold farming doesn't exist at all in MMOs, since they obviously can't or won't do that, this system is the next best thing. Players who wouldn't ordinarily risk their accounts by buying and selling items are now in direct, safe competition with gold farmers. I hope Blizzard's Titan has a real money auction house, too. I swear, I can almost smell the panic on this guy. He's freaking out because he knows this trend, properly managed, could destroy his livelihood forever.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Some people dont like the reality that someone that can spend more will be better. If real money trading is not allowed you can call them cheaters if they buy gear from third party sellers. When its supported by the company you cant do that. I think for some people its impossible to accept that some can and will spend money and be more powerful.
Personally I think everything you have and can do in a game should also be earned in the game. The idea that someone not playing much that spend a lot of money is the best feels wrong, Its like competing in a sport and paying the organization to win. Obviously its not fair...