You're on this site erryday going 'I WANT SANDBAWKS GAMES THAT ARE HARD AND PLAYER INTERACTION MATTERS!!!!' and now you're unsubbing because the Goons made you mad?
Figures. Whenever it's convenient for you to have a difficult game, it's perfectly fine. You like the pride that comes from claiming that you're part of a 'difficult' game. However, when the difficulty starts to impede how you play, it's a whole new tune from this site.
Goons definately deserve a commendation for this. Uprooting all the weak trash, so only the strong survive. Now that's a proper sandbox to me.
Then explain why the mechanics aren't fully sandbox. Right now, a 2 day old alt with a 2 million ISK throwaway destroyer can kill a 500 million ship for lulz. One guy suggested that to balance things out the guy performing a suicide ganking should be red to everyone everywhere not for 15 minutes as it is now but for a week.
Do you know what the answer was?
"I don't want to be shot at for a week"
Goons always use sandbox as and excuse and tell people to HTFU but it seems like it should not apply to themselves.
Don't get me wrong - I think that the Goons are a bunch of shooky hypocritical carebears at times too. It's just that they happen to be less so than the people in this thread.
Don't get me wrong - I think that the Goons are a bunch of shooky hypocritical carebears at times too. It's just that they happen to be less so than the people in this thread.
There's no problem with me being shot at but if that is allowed I want a half decent tank and being able to put guns on my barge so that I at least have a chance against a lone destroyer., in short fully sandbox. Goons are schoolbook examples of bullies. They don't want pvp they want to shoot sitting ducks. Should the hated miners be given the ability to fight back in an even remotely effective way, then they whine.
A lot of enjoying EVE has to do with being able to appreciate schadenfreude, once you 'get' that you will 'get' EVE. You don't have to be any particular profession to delight in the failure of others.
Another phrase with a meaning similar to Schadenfreude is "morose delectation" ("delectatio morosa" in Latin), meaning "the habit of dwelling with enjoyment on evil thoughts".
Sad really- sounds like people who enjoy giving grief to other's over games.
Nope, you don't have to be that guy to enjoy the tears:
You're on this site erryday going 'I WANT SANDBAWKS GAMES THAT ARE HARD AND PLAYER INTERACTION MATTERS!!!!' and now you're unsubbing because the Goons made you mad?
Figures. Whenever it's convenient for you to have a difficult game, it's perfectly fine. You like the pride that comes from claiming that you're part of a 'difficult' game. However, when the difficulty starts to impede how you play, it's a whole new tune from this site.
Goons definately deserve a commendation for this. Uprooting all the weak trash, so only the strong survive. Now that's a proper sandbox to me.
Goading people to suicide kill other players has nothing to do with difficulty, they are being allowed to bully other players out of the game they enjoy and pay for.This would be fine if the sandbox had ways that allowed the victim to fight back or defend or be defended, but suicide kills are side-stepping rules meant to preserve the nature of the sandbox. Imagine you are a new player/blood in EVE and you got repeatedly suicide ganked..Unfortunately empathy is not a skill required in EVE.
Also imagine if Miners could pay Concord/Powerful NPC mercenary armies to attack federations with a history of piracy, and lets say just about every federation sick of the Goons paid for the armies to gather and rip through the goon territory, now that would be a fair counterbalance,but would Goons be happy, or would they complain and try to pressurise Eve devs with unsaid threats about leaving game?
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Don't get me wrong - I think that the Goons are a bunch of shooky hypocritical carebears at times too. It's just that they happen to be less so than the people in this thread.
There's no problem with me being shot at but if that is allowed I want a half decent tank and being able to put guns on my barge so that I at least have a chance against a lone destroyer., in short fully sandbox. Goons are schoolbook examples of bullies. They don't want pvp they want to shoot sitting ducks. Should the hated miners be given the ability to fight back in an even remotely effective way, then they whine.
Another Example of EvE not being a true Sandbox as some claim. You are restricted to what you can put on your ship based on the hull of hte ship. No reason a mining ship could not arm its self to the teeth and bait people into their death. In Fact that would be a cool sandbox feature and help miners out. You equip your hulk with guns and act like you mining and wait for a ganker and boom, ganker dies.
You're on this site erryday going 'I WANT SANDBAWKS GAMES THAT ARE HARD AND PLAYER INTERACTION MATTERS!!!!' and now you're unsubbing because the Goons made you mad?
Figures. Whenever it's convenient for you to have a difficult game, it's perfectly fine. You like the pride that comes from claiming that you're part of a 'difficult' game. However, when the difficulty starts to impede how you play, it's a whole new tune from this site.
Goons definately deserve a commendation for this. Uprooting all the weak trash, so only the strong survive. Now that's a proper sandbox to me.
Goading people to suicide kill other players has nothing to do with difficulty, they are being allowed to bully other players out of the game they enjoy and pay for.This would be fine if the sandbox had ways that allowed the victim to fight back or defend or be defended, but suicide kills are side-stepping rules meant to preserve the nature of the sandbox. Imagine you are a new player/blood in EVE and you got repeatedly suicide ganked..Unfortunately empathy is not a skill required in EVE.
Also imagine if Miners could pay Concord/Powerful NPC mercenary armies to attack federations with a history of piracy, and lets say just about every federation sick of the Goons paid for the armies to gather and rip through the goon territory, now that would be a fair counterbalance,but would Goons be happy, or would they complain and try to pressurise Eve devs with unsaid threats about leaving game?
Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.
Don't get me wrong - I think that the Goons are a bunch of shooky hypocritical carebears at times too. It's just that they happen to be less so than the people in this thread.
There's no problem with me being shot at but if that is allowed I want a half decent tank and being able to put guns on my barge so that I at least have a chance against a lone destroyer., in short fully sandbox. Goons are schoolbook examples of bullies. They don't want pvp they want to shoot sitting ducks. Should the hated miners be given the ability to fight back in an even remotely effective way, then they whine.
Another Example of EvE not being a true Sandbox as some claim. You are restricted to what you can put on your ship based on the hull of hte ship. No reason a mining ship could not arm its self to the teeth and bait people into their death. In Fact that would be a cool sandbox feature and help miners out. You equip your hulk with guns and act like you mining and wait for a ganker and boom, ganker dies.
They were called raiders during WWII Merchant ships with masked weaponry who tried to lure enemy subs that attacked them when on the surface.
First i find many of you to be very narrow minded in terms of thinking outside the box. You were given a sand box game and you still sit and play on a narrow track of "oh i need to mine in highsec because it is safe". What i dont understand is why none of you are thinking outside the box. Ok so highsec ganking sucks? I have seen plenty of highsec systems that have miners happily going about their business with no interference. How can they do this? They pick a system that 1. doesnt sit on the major highways of eve and 2. arent populated with tons of people to do their business because they not only did their homework but paid attention to the game around them. Who says you cant join a large alliance, go out to 0.0 and join into a relatively safe system to mine in (i hear most worthwhile alliances have industrial arms and also provide things called intel channels). Last why dont you try mining in a wormhole? Not only does it add extra adventure in terms of truly testing your logistics backbone to mine and transport but it adds a bit of extra excitement as you pay attention to the world around you looking for people hunting. If you want to afk mine while watching tv or something else im sorry that the highsec gankers are taking advantage of your sloth and feeling of security.
If you have a problem with something the answer is not to sit here and whine about it but to think about a logical solution since after all....eve is a sandbox where the players define what happens. Take up arms and challange those who are doing something you dont like....or sit in the road crying and wait for someone to run you over.
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Also imagine if Miners could pay Concord/Powerful NPC mercenary armies to attack federations with a history of piracy, and lets say just about every federation sick of the Goons paid for the armies to gather and rip through the goon territory, now that would be a fair counterbalance,but would Goons be happy, or would they complain and try to pressurise Eve devs with unsaid threats about leaving game?
- again i say again this is a sandbox game run by the players....ever think to look in the crime and punishment forums and hire a mercenary corporation? Try Noir. Mercenary Group.......again I invite you to step off the one track frame of mind and start thinking out of the box.
First i find many of you to be very narrow minded in terms of thinking outside the box. You were given a sand box game and you still sit and play on a narrow track of "oh i need to mine in highsec because it is safe". What i dont understand is why none of you are thinking outside the box. Ok so highsec ganking sucks? I have seen plenty of highsec systems that have miners happily going about their business with no interference. How can they do this? They pick a system that 1. doesnt sit on the major highways of eve and 2. arent populated with tons of people to do their business because they not only did their homework but paid attention to the game around them. Who says you cant join a large alliance, go out to 0.0 and join into a relatively safe system to mine in (i hear most worthwhile alliances have industrial arms and also provide things called intel channels). Last why dont you try mining in a wormhole? Not only does it add extra adventure in terms of truly testing your logistics backbone to mine and transport but it adds a bit of extra excitement as you pay attention to the world around you looking for people hunting. If you want to afk mine while watching tv or something else im sorry that the highsec gankers are taking advantage of your sloth and feeling of security.
If you have a problem with something the answer is not to sit here and whine about it but to think about a logical solution since after all....eve is a sandbox where the players define what happens. Take up arms and challange those who are doing something you dont like....or sit in the road crying and wait for someone to run you over.
you didnt really read the posts above did you.
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I am not a miner nor do I live in High Sec at all. I live in Nullsec with my alliance and friendly alliances, I just think its wrong that a certain group of players can control how EvE is played.
Trust me Nullsec is safer then lower sec and high sec. If its not blue Kill it.
You're on this site erryday going 'I WANT SANDBAWKS GAMES THAT ARE HARD AND PLAYER INTERACTION MATTERS!!!!' and now you're unsubbing because the Goons made you mad?
Figures. Whenever it's convenient for you to have a difficult game, it's perfectly fine. You like the pride that comes from claiming that you're part of a 'difficult' game. However, when the difficulty starts to impede how you play, it's a whole new tune from this site.
Goons definately deserve a commendation for this. Uprooting all the weak trash, so only the strong survive. Now that's a proper sandbox to me.
Goading people to suicide kill other players has nothing to do with difficulty, they are being allowed to bully other players out of the game they enjoy and pay for.This would be fine if the sandbox had ways that allowed the victim to fight back or defend or be defended, but suicide kills are side-stepping rules meant to preserve the nature of the sandbox. Imagine you are a new player/blood in EVE and you got repeatedly suicide ganked..Unfortunately empathy is not a skill required in EVE.
Also imagine if Miners could pay Concord/Powerful NPC mercenary armies to attack federations with a history of piracy, and lets say just about every federation sick of the Goons paid for the armies to gather and rip through the goon territory, now that would be a fair counterbalance,but would Goons be happy, or would they complain and try to pressurise Eve devs with unsaid threats about leaving game?
Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.
So what about new players like me that think about getting into the game, but hear crap like this? First EvE is huge, and a steep learning curve, so I know i have my work cut out for me if i join. But say i decide to mine in the begining, am i going to get targeted out by these asshats? I understand having a large guild being able to do what you want, but it's seriously killing my desire to even try the game out.
PvP is one thing, griefing is a whole other thing, and this sounds like griefing. Not something i'm sure i want to try out. If i get 3 months in starting to make headway, is some goon clown going to destroy everything i've put to work?
Look EvE isn't my game i'm just saying, is it realy justifiable with what they are doing just cause it is a sand box?
(And i really am thinking of trying EvE out)
Hi Wolwards.
Dont be alarmed by the content of this thread. Bunch of bitter people voicing their opinnions, it happens. Let me get you some factoids from ingame world.
You'll start with a frigate ship in your disposal, it suits for mining but is not a specialized ship for it. Within a day or two you'll reach a frigate that is built for mining. These ships are not going to be targetted by suicide gankgers, as they are worth absolutely nothing compared to the suiciders ship costs. Within 3-4 days you reach a cruiser that is bonused towards mining, these ships are in the verge of being targetted but are in general not worth the effort.
The targeted ships are mining barges, a ship class specializing on mining efficiency. The particular event you have heard about takes place in high sec, especially in systems with large amounts of people, in other words hubs and common traveling routes. First mining barge costs somewhere around 10 million ISK realm and you should be able to reach this ship and money for it within 14 days.
What the bitter crowd is crying about is that the game is in change. An community entity in the game is sacrificing their money to poke people who believe high sec is safe. It used to be mostly safe to sit in highsec and get wealthy by just looking at your ship tearing up asteroids, then this entity noticed that perhaps thats not how it should be. However, suicide ganking works only against unorganized and semi afk (or completely afk) miners, there are simple precautions that can be easily done to completely avoid the risk of being targetted.
A ganker buys cheap ship (relative to persons wealth, these people have alot of it), fits it with only weapons, attacks you regardless of the inherent punishment and loss of ship. Basically there is no ship in game that could not be ganked, if you allow it to be target. Ganker squad just needs to be big enough, and rich enough, and they usually are. It is not griefing though. Griefing is highlevel attacking low level, overpowered attacking one with no chances what so ever. In this case,a simpleton with one digit age and two digit IQ can avoid being a target.
Mining in empty system, or system with only friendlies, is the safest. You will see if someone enters the system by observing your chat channel. If there is no one there, no one is going to attack you.
A system out of traveling routes, prefetably one in the end of a pipeline connection. Look at the map, notice the jumps needed to reach this system and how far it is from any conceiveable travel routes. Find these systems.
Have 1 friend as scout, or create a free trial account to sit on the gate leading towards your system, obeserve every traveler, their ship and purpose. Thats 15 minutes of effort every 21 days (yes, buddy invite) to have a scout.
Mine your ship always aligned to station or safespot for instant warping out.
Put your mining ship into a hauler when you travel, and tank your hauler with as many shield extenders as possible.
In highsec gang does not mean security, the enemy is way richer and way more numerous and even directly attracted by mining groups. Scouts and precautions are more important. Single scout however is enough for a whole gang.
Note, that every other semiafk miner who just sits on a belt with their 160 million ISK Hulk, - without a single protective action in place - gets killed, the supply of ore is lowered and demand for new Hulk is increased, making your income higher.
You dont need a team if you dont want to. But you need to think before doing, to avoid the dogs of war.
Another valid point is that the experience of mining is greater when you excell in it than simply going to the nearest asteroidbelt and getting killed by people who punish you for your laziness.
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You're on this site erryday going 'I WANT SANDBAWKS GAMES THAT ARE HARD AND PLAYER INTERACTION MATTERS!!!!' and now you're unsubbing because the Goons made you mad?
Figures. Whenever it's convenient for you to have a difficult game, it's perfectly fine. You like the pride that comes from claiming that you're part of a 'difficult' game. However, when the difficulty starts to impede how you play, it's a whole new tune from this site.
Goons definately deserve a commendation for this. Uprooting all the weak trash, so only the strong survive. Now that's a proper sandbox to me.
Goading people to suicide kill other players has nothing to do with difficulty, they are being allowed to bully other players out of the game they enjoy and pay for.This would be fine if the sandbox had ways that allowed the victim to fight back or defend or be defended, but suicide kills are side-stepping rules meant to preserve the nature of the sandbox. Imagine you are a new player/blood in EVE and you got repeatedly suicide ganked..Unfortunately empathy is not a skill required in EVE.
Also imagine if Miners could pay Concord/Powerful NPC mercenary armies to attack federations with a history of piracy, and lets say just about every federation sick of the Goons paid for the armies to gather and rip through the goon territory, now that would be a fair counterbalance,but would Goons be happy, or would they complain and try to pressurise Eve devs with unsaid threats about leaving game?
Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.
The tools exist. you're unwilling to use them.
Unless I can't modify my ship and forego miner lasers in favour of weapons it isn't sandbox. 3 mediums on a Covetor and 5 hob IIs could actually give a Dessie a match. If it's a gang you are dead anyway.
Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.
The tools exist. you're unwilling to use them.
Unless I can't modify my ship and forego miner lasers in favour of weapons it isn't sandbox. 3 mediums on a Covetor and 5 hob IIs could actually give a Dessie a match. If it's a gang you are dead anyway.
Exactly what is stopping you from joining an even bigger gang or making one?
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Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.
The tools exist. you're unwilling to use them.
Unless I can't modify my ship and forego miner lasers in favour of weapons it isn't sandbox. 3 mediums on a Covetor and 5 hob IIs could actually give a Dessie a match. If it's a gang you are dead anyway.
Exactly what is stopping you from joining an even bigger gang or making one?
Well I can't fit my barge with weapons. What I meant was that if ccp allows us to arm our barges we might stand a chance against a lone ganker and I am happy with that. If it's a gang of gankers it doesn't matter what size your gang is in this kind of games. They will concetrate on one barge which will die regardless of what happens to the gankers shortly afterward. We can't make a pre-emptive strike either even if we now it's a ganker. I say slap every agressor in hisec with a 2 week gcc and remove Concord that is a much better punishment.
However if such a thing was implemented, guess who would cry?
Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.
The tools exist. you're unwilling to use them.
Unless I can't modify my ship and forego miner lasers in favour of weapons it isn't sandbox. 3 mediums on a Covetor and 5 hob IIs could actually give a Dessie a match. If it's a gang you are dead anyway.
Exactly what is stopping you from joining an even bigger gang or making one?
Well I can't fit my barge with weapons. What I meant was that if ccp allows us to arm our barges we might stand a chance against a lone ganker and I am happy with that. If it's a gang of gankers it doesn't matter what size your gang is in this kind of games. They will concetrate on one barge which will die regardless of what happens to the gankers shortly afterward. We can't make a pre-emptive strike either even if we now it's a ganker. I say slap every agressor in hisec with a 2 week gcc and remove Concord that is a much better punishment.
However if such a thing was implemented, guess who would cry?
Why are you not flying heavy combat drones???? When I was minining I always had out the 3 that it let me have out. Had to have those to kep priates off, and the lone ganker. Now if you get a gang comming in well you either pay them not to pod you or you just accept it and move on.
Or you get a corp and get protection or join the gankers.
Well I can't fit my barge with weapons. What I meant was that if ccp allows us to arm our barges we might stand a chance against a lone ganker and I am happy with that. If it's a gang of gankers it doesn't matter what size your gang is in this kind of games. They will concetrate on one barge which will die regardless of what happens to the gankers shortly afterward. We can't make a pre-emptive strike either even if we now it's a ganker. I say slap every agressor in hisec with a 2 week gcc and remove Concord that is a much better punishment.
However if such a thing was implemented, guess who would cry?
So if you want to 'fight back' why aren't you in a ship that can fight?
If I want a healthy meal, I generally won't go to a Donut shop.
And seriously, how hard is it to stay aligned and warp out if a yellow enters local?
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Well I can't fit my barge with weapons. What I meant was that if ccp allows us to arm our barges we might stand a chance against a lone ganker and I am happy with that. If it's a gang of gankers it doesn't matter what size your gang is in this kind of games. They will concetrate on one barge which will die regardless of what happens to the gankers shortly afterward. We can't make a pre-emptive strike either even if we now it's a ganker. I say slap every agressor in hisec with a 2 week gcc and remove Concord that is a much better punishment.
However if such a thing was implemented, guess who would cry?
So if you want to 'fight back' why aren't you in a ship that can fight?
If I want a healthy meal, I generally won't go to a Donut shop.
And seriously, how hard is it to stay aligned and warp out if a yellow enters local?
Because I am mining, I shouldn't have to dual box if thats a requirement something is wrong.
Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.
The tools exist. you're unwilling to use them.
Unless I can't modify my ship and forego miner lasers in favour of weapons it isn't sandbox. 3 mediums on a Covetor and 5 hob IIs could actually give a Dessie a match. If it's a gang you are dead anyway.
Exactly what is stopping you from joining an even bigger gang or making one?
Well I can't fit my barge with weapons. What I meant was that if ccp allows us to arm our barges we might stand a chance against a lone ganker and I am happy with that. If it's a gang of gankers it doesn't matter what size your gang is in this kind of games. They will concetrate on one barge which will die regardless of what happens to the gankers shortly afterward. We can't make a pre-emptive strike either even if we now it's a ganker. I say slap every agressor in hisec with a 2 week gcc and remove Concord that is a much better punishment.
However if such a thing was implemented, guess who would cry?
Why are you not flying heavy combat drones???? When I was minining I always had out the 3 that it let me have out. Had to have those to kep priates off, and the lone ganker. Now if you get a gang comming in well you either pay them not to pod you or you just accept it and move on.
Or you get a corp and get protection or join the gankers.
Drones won't protect you. Even a well fitted barge has paper tank. Join the gankers, yeah., that was why I joined EVE.
30,000 EHP together with the 5x Hammerhead II's will keep at least two if not three destroyers from ganking you. And if there is 3rd, its only fair you have 1 Scimitar remote repping you.
Someone oughta do another version of the "Leave Britney Alone" with the general jist of "Let Me Mine in Peace" so I can link it every time these afk miners cry.
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30,000 EHP together with the 5x Hammerhead II's will keep at least two if not three destroyers from ganking you. And if there is 3rd, its only fair you have 1 Scimitar remote repping you.
Someone oughta do another version of the "Leave Britney Alone" with the general jist of "Let Me Mine in Peace" so I can link it every time these afk miners cry.
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Then explain why the mechanics aren't fully sandbox. Right now, a 2 day old alt with a 2 million ISK throwaway destroyer can kill a 500 million ship for lulz. One guy suggested that to balance things out the guy performing a suicide ganking should be red to everyone everywhere not for 15 minutes as it is now but for a week.
Do you know what the answer was?
"I don't want to be shot at for a week"
Goons always use sandbox as and excuse and tell people to HTFU but it seems like it should not apply to themselves.
Don't get me wrong - I think that the Goons are a bunch of shooky hypocritical carebears at times too. It's just that they happen to be less so than the people in this thread.
There's no problem with me being shot at but if that is allowed I want a half decent tank and being able to put guns on my barge so that I at least have a chance against a lone destroyer., in short fully sandbox. Goons are schoolbook examples of bullies. They don't want pvp they want to shoot sitting ducks. Should the hated miners be given the ability to fight back in an even remotely effective way, then they whine.
Nope, you don't have to be that guy to enjoy the tears:
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You can consume it like content
Goading people to suicide kill other players has nothing to do with difficulty, they are being allowed to bully other players out of the game they enjoy and pay for.This would be fine if the sandbox had ways that allowed the victim to fight back or defend or be defended, but suicide kills are side-stepping rules meant to preserve the nature of the sandbox. Imagine you are a new player/blood in EVE and you got repeatedly suicide ganked..Unfortunately empathy is not a skill required in EVE.
Also imagine if Miners could pay Concord/Powerful NPC mercenary armies to attack federations with a history of piracy, and lets say just about every federation sick of the Goons paid for the armies to gather and rip through the goon territory, now that would be a fair counterbalance,but would Goons be happy, or would they complain and try to pressurise Eve devs with unsaid threats about leaving game?
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Another Example of EvE not being a true Sandbox as some claim. You are restricted to what you can put on your ship based on the hull of hte ship. No reason a mining ship could not arm its self to the teeth and bait people into their death. In Fact that would be a cool sandbox feature and help miners out. You equip your hulk with guns and act like you mining and wait for a ganker and boom, ganker dies.
Sooner or Later
Exactly. I knew that EVE was open pvp, I knew it was harsh when I signed up. What I did not know was that I wasn't allowed to have the tools to at least allow me to try and fight back.
They were called raiders during WWII
Merchant ships with masked weaponry who tried to lure enemy subs that attacked them when on the surface.
First i find many of you to be very narrow minded in terms of thinking outside the box. You were given a sand box game and you still sit and play on a narrow track of "oh i need to mine in highsec because it is safe". What i dont understand is why none of you are thinking outside the box. Ok so highsec ganking sucks? I have seen plenty of highsec systems that have miners happily going about their business with no interference. How can they do this? They pick a system that 1. doesnt sit on the major highways of eve and 2. arent populated with tons of people to do their business because they not only did their homework but paid attention to the game around them. Who says you cant join a large alliance, go out to 0.0 and join into a relatively safe system to mine in (i hear most worthwhile alliances have industrial arms and also provide things called intel channels). Last why dont you try mining in a wormhole? Not only does it add extra adventure in terms of truly testing your logistics backbone to mine and transport but it adds a bit of extra excitement as you pay attention to the world around you looking for people hunting. If you want to afk mine while watching tv or something else im sorry that the highsec gankers are taking advantage of your sloth and feeling of security.
If you have a problem with something the answer is not to sit here and whine about it but to think about a logical solution since after all....eve is a sandbox where the players define what happens. Take up arms and challange those who are doing something you dont like....or sit in the road crying and wait for someone to run you over.
PS in reply to
Also imagine if Miners could pay Concord/Powerful NPC mercenary armies to attack federations with a history of piracy, and lets say just about every federation sick of the Goons paid for the armies to gather and rip through the goon territory, now that would be a fair counterbalance,but would Goons be happy, or would they complain and try to pressurise Eve devs with unsaid threats about leaving game?
- again i say again this is a sandbox game run by the players....ever think to look in the crime and punishment forums and hire a mercenary corporation? Try Noir. Mercenary Group.......again I invite you to step off the one track frame of mind and start thinking out of the box.
you didnt really read the posts above did you.
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yes i did thats why i said most not all
I am not a miner nor do I live in High Sec at all. I live in Nullsec with my alliance and friendly alliances, I just think its wrong that a certain group of players can control how EvE is played.
Trust me Nullsec is safer then lower sec and high sec. If its not blue Kill it.
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Hi Wolwards.
Dont be alarmed by the content of this thread. Bunch of bitter people voicing their opinnions, it happens. Let me get you some factoids from ingame world.
You'll start with a frigate ship in your disposal, it suits for mining but is not a specialized ship for it. Within a day or two you'll reach a frigate that is built for mining. These ships are not going to be targetted by suicide gankgers, as they are worth absolutely nothing compared to the suiciders ship costs. Within 3-4 days you reach a cruiser that is bonused towards mining, these ships are in the verge of being targetted but are in general not worth the effort.
The targeted ships are mining barges, a ship class specializing on mining efficiency. The particular event you have heard about takes place in high sec, especially in systems with large amounts of people, in other words hubs and common traveling routes. First mining barge costs somewhere around 10 million ISK realm and you should be able to reach this ship and money for it within 14 days.
What the bitter crowd is crying about is that the game is in change. An community entity in the game is sacrificing their money to poke people who believe high sec is safe. It used to be mostly safe to sit in highsec and get wealthy by just looking at your ship tearing up asteroids, then this entity noticed that perhaps thats not how it should be. However, suicide ganking works only against unorganized and semi afk (or completely afk) miners, there are simple precautions that can be easily done to completely avoid the risk of being targetted.
A ganker buys cheap ship (relative to persons wealth, these people have alot of it), fits it with only weapons, attacks you regardless of the inherent punishment and loss of ship. Basically there is no ship in game that could not be ganked, if you allow it to be target. Ganker squad just needs to be big enough, and rich enough, and they usually are. It is not griefing though. Griefing is highlevel attacking low level, overpowered attacking one with no chances what so ever. In this case, a simpleton with one digit age and two digit IQ can avoid being a target.
Mining in empty system, or system with only friendlies, is the safest. You will see if someone enters the system by observing your chat channel. If there is no one there, no one is going to attack you.
A system out of traveling routes, prefetably one in the end of a pipeline connection. Look at the map, notice the jumps needed to reach this system and how far it is from any conceiveable travel routes. Find these systems.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Essence/Andole#sec
Have 1 friend as scout, or create a free trial account to sit on the gate leading towards your system, obeserve every traveler, their ship and purpose. Thats 15 minutes of effort every 21 days (yes, buddy invite) to have a scout.
Mine your ship always aligned to station or safespot for instant warping out.
Put your mining ship into a hauler when you travel, and tank your hauler with as many shield extenders as possible.
In highsec gang does not mean security, the enemy is way richer and way more numerous and even directly attracted by mining groups. Scouts and precautions are more important. Single scout however is enough for a whole gang.
Note, that every other semiafk miner who just sits on a belt with their 160 million ISK Hulk, - without a single protective action in place - gets killed, the supply of ore is lowered and demand for new Hulk is increased, making your income higher.
You dont need a team if you dont want to. But you need to think before doing, to avoid the dogs of war.
Another valid point is that the experience of mining is greater when you excell in it than simply going to the nearest asteroidbelt and getting killed by people who punish you for your laziness.
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Unless I can't modify my ship and forego miner lasers in favour of weapons it isn't sandbox. 3 mediums on a Covetor and 5 hob IIs could actually give a Dessie a match. If it's a gang you are dead anyway.
Exactly what is stopping you from joining an even bigger gang or making one?
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Well I can't fit my barge with weapons. What I meant was that if ccp allows us to arm our barges we might stand a chance against a lone ganker and I am happy with that. If it's a gang of gankers it doesn't matter
what size your gang is in this kind of games. They will concetrate on one barge which will die regardless of what happens to the gankers shortly afterward. We can't make a pre-emptive strike either even if we now it's a ganker. I say slap every agressor in hisec with a 2 week gcc and remove Concord that is a much better punishment.
However if such a thing was implemented, guess who would cry?
Why are you not flying heavy combat drones???? When I was minining I always had out the 3 that it let me have out. Had to have those to kep priates off, and the lone ganker. Now if you get a gang comming in well you either pay them not to pod you or you just accept it and move on.
Or you get a corp and get protection or join the gankers.
So if you want to 'fight back' why aren't you in a ship that can fight?
If I want a healthy meal, I generally won't go to a Donut shop.
And seriously, how hard is it to stay aligned and warp out if a yellow enters local?
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Because I am mining, I shouldn't have to dual box if thats a requirement something is wrong.
If you want to mine, then mine.
But stay aligned and warp out if a yellow enters local in your mining ship.
Problem solved.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Drones won't protect you. Even a well fitted barge has paper tank. Join the gankers, yeah., that was why I joined EVE.
Incase you are actually dim enough to mine unscouted and solo in a FFA PVP game I would suggest the following fit
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60123-Hulkageddon-Buffer-Tank.html
30,000 EHP together with the 5x Hammerhead II's will keep at least two if not three destroyers from ganking you. And if there is 3rd, its only fair you have 1 Scimitar remote repping you.
Someone oughta do another version of the "Leave Britney Alone" with the general jist of "Let Me Mine in Peace" so I can link it every time these afk miners cry.
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I don't use a Hulk.
You should never stop playing eve. Always have a pilot in training
Come back and join a large corp/alliance.
Get our of high sec and play in 0.0. That's where the game really begins
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