I just don't understand what the heck relation THIS game has to the Elder Scroll series besides the brand name and the skins?
From my perspective they might as well have just called it "Generic Fantasy Themed MMO with names that sound kinda familiar to you."
That's a waste of a well established IP....and frankly seems like a cheap attempt to cash in existing Brand Recognition.
The TES world is it's lore, the single-player game-play in itself really doesn't translate into an MMO well, that much is obvious. We can't go kill key story characters in an MMO as one example. Having every item tied to a physics engine is another, this list could be quite long as to what would cause problems in a TES MMO.
Does barring some or even a lot of these freedoms mean TES could not make a good MMO? I don't think it does. Based on a withstanding IP doesn't mean they can't try something else, yet make a cohersive entry into the framework laid by it's SP brethren.
I'm far more worried about decent PVP options being available in the MMO space than I am whether TES is like it's SP counterparts. What do we have now to play? Not much, and one option down the road (GW2) doesn't make that better.
Fans of the series expect that it would at least make some ATTEMPT to capture the Spirit/Feel of the series it's based on.... I'm sorry they didn't make DAOC2 for you....that would have probably been a better IP for what they have been describing here..... but you can't blame fans for being PO'd when they essentialy say...we're going to take all the hallmarks that made TES what they are, throw them out the window and slap a TES label on this game that's completely different.
Frankly, this game sounds to me like TOW with TES skins added in and RvRvR PvP.
I'm a huge fan of the series no game tops it's whole IMO. I'd even consider myself somewhat of a fanboi hometeam and all (MD pride).
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I don't know if it's true, but the title made me laugh.
What makes me laugh is people who get all up in arms about negative comments about gw2 getting their jollies from the same being done to another game that no one knows much about. Seeing that a lot the last two days.
what makes me laugh even more is when they call it a wow clone or the next swtor. If thats the case then GW2 is a frikin wow clone too.
Things we know are in TESO that are also features of GW2
large scale 3 sided pvp - only TESO uses the whole of cyrodil for it out in the actual world with non of this anominity and 2 week rotation crap
no holy trinity
no agro mechanics
no quest hubs
skills that switch depending on weapeon equiped
free picking of other skills on your toolbar from a larger pool
active block in TESO, active dodge in GW2
Things TESO has on top of GW2
World raid bosses
Open non instanced dungeons
Hopefully TES crafting (or if not UO or DAOC crafting) instead of your typical wow crafting used by GW2
I'm pretty sure that I've never called any game a wow clone. I'm really not a fan of the term, just because peopler an't trying to copy wow, they're trying to copy blizzards success. All the game elements are the same in pretty much every game made between EQ and WoW; even UO uses most of the same gameplay mechanics.
But..
The only thing you could possible take fromthe GI/ Bethesda promotional stunt (I refuse to believe the link right now), is that it's a wow clone. When they describe the features and explicity state that it's "just like world of warcraft" it's very clear that the intent is to be "just like world of warcraft".
The entire theme of the "article" is wow clone. The scans are literally supposed to be the developers, in not so many words, stating that the game is a wow clone. Remember, I don't really think any game is a wow clone. But, if you're going to tell me you're making a wow clone, then ok, if that's choose to label it; more power to you.
Am I the only one that's been laughing nonstop for the last two days? Really, "hey guys, we're making an ES mmo, it's a wow clone". No one else finds this incredibly funny?
Something tells me there are going to be a lot of people going, "oh, you bethesda guys you. Bunch of rascals you are! You got me." in a few weeks or a month. At least I really hope.
I'm pretty sure that I've never called any game a wow clone. I'm really not a fan of the term, just because peopler an't trying to copy wow, they're trying to copy blizzards success. All the game elements are the same in pretty much every game made between EQ and WoW; even UO uses most of the same gameplay mechanics.
But..
The only thing you could possible take fromthe GI/ Bethesda promotional stunt (I refuse to believe the link right now), is that it's a wow clone. When they describe the features and explicity state that it's "just like world of warcraft" it's very clear that the intent is to be "just like world of warcraft".
The entire theme of the "article" is wow clone. The scans are literally supposed to be the developers, in not so many words, stating that the game is a wow clone. Remember, I don't really think any game is a wow clone. But, if you're going to tell me you're making a wow clone, then ok, if that's choose to label it; more power to you.
Am I the only one that's been laughing nonstop for the last two days? Really, "hey guys, we're making an ES mmo, it's a wow clone". No one else finds this incredibly funny?
Something tells me there are going to be a lot of people going, "oh, you bethesda guys you. Bunch of rascals you are! You got me." in a few weeks or a month. At least I really hope.
I am just now wrapping my head around the full hilarity of the situation and I'm with ya!
This really does seem like some kind of absurd marketing joke (does that exist). It's just too good at being utterly bizarre and hilarious. It's all the opposite of what you'd think they'd say. So the article now reads comically, whereas initially i was pretty shocked and confused by it. Now i'm just enjoying their well executed and sly show of comedic prowess. Well done i say.
I'm pretty sure that I've never called any game a wow clone. I'm really not a fan of the term, just because peopler an't trying to copy wow, they're trying to copy blizzards success. All the game elements are the same in pretty much every game made between EQ and WoW; even UO uses most of the same gameplay mechanics.
But..
The only thing you could possible take fromthe GI/ Bethesda promotional stunt (I refuse to believe the link right now), is that it's a wow clone. When they describe the features and explicity state that it's "just like world of warcraft" it's very clear that the intent is to be "just like world of warcraft".
The entire theme of the "article" is wow clone. The scans are literally supposed to be the developers, in not so many words, stating that the game is a wow clone. Remember, I don't really think any game is a wow clone. But, if you're going to tell me you're making a wow clone, then ok, if that's choose to label it; more power to you.
Am I the only one that's been laughing nonstop for the last two days? Really, "hey guys, we're making an ES mmo, it's a wow clone". No one else finds this incredibly funny?
Something tells me there are going to be a lot of people going, "oh, you bethesda guys you. Bunch of rascals you are! You got me." in a few weeks or a month. At least I really hope.
I am just now wrapping my head around the full hilarity of the situation and I'm with ya!
This really does seem like some kind of marketing joke (does that exist). It's just too good at being utterly bizarre and hilarious. The article now reads comically, while initially i was pretty shocked and confused by it. Now i'm just enjoying they're well executed and sly show of comedic prowess. Well done i say.
Let us hope you're right..
Currently playing - FF14ARR Previous games - SWG, World of Warcraft, ShadowBane, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall, Planetside Asheron's Call, Everquest, Everquest 2, Too many.
Bethesda nor ZeniMax Online are liable for unreasonable expectations.
If you do not understand that franchise does not imply any game play characteristics, it is your problem only.
It is IF they are actualy trying to convince me to BUY thier product..... and clearly from the number of comments in this thread from other people who have said they enjoyed TES series...it is very much not my problem ONLY. Unless you think those others are actualy lying about thier own sense of disappointment.
Bethesda nor ZeniMax Online are liable for unreasonable expectations.
If you do not understand that franchise does not imply any game play characteristics, it is your problem only.
Except the franchise very much does imply very specific gameplay characteristics. That's not anyone fault, because the ES series intended to be a very specific style of game.
The entire ES series is built around a single idea, they will develop a world that we as players can do whatever we want in. Bethesda has always maintained a very specific design philosophy when it comes to the ES series, and over the years they've been very upfront about what kind of game the ES series is supposed to be.
There is no guessing about what kind of game you expect to be playing when it has ES name on it. It is no one's fault, anymore then it's no one's fault to have specific expectations when purchasing a ferrari.
A sandbox MMO based on the best selling sandbox RPG ever, is hardly an unreasonable expectation.
Bethesda nor ZeniMax Online are liable for unreasonable expectations.
If you do not understand that franchise does not imply any game play characteristics, it is your problem only.
It is IF they are actualy trying to convince me to BUY thier product..... and clearly from the number of comments in this thread from other people who have said they enjoyed TES series...it is very much not my problem ONLY. Unless you think those others are actualy lying about thier own sense of disappointment.
You guys can skip it it all you want, just realize your personal expectation is not something they obviously set out to please.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by GrumpyMel2 It is IF they are actualy trying to convince me to BUY thier product..... and clearly from the number of comments in this thread from other people who have said they enjoyed TES series...it is very much not my problem ONLY. Unless you think those others are actualy lying about thier own sense of disappointment.
Just because there are more with unreasonable expectations does not change my point.
Except the franchise very much does imply very specific gameplay characteristics. That's not anyone fault, because the ES series intended to be a very specific style of game.
The entire ES Singler player series is built around a single idea, they will develop a world that we as players can do whatever we want in. Bethesda has always maintained a very specific design philosophy when it comes to the ES series, and over the years they've been very upfront about what kind of game the ES series is supposed to be.
There is no guessing about what kind of game you expect to be playing when it has ES name on it. It is no one's fault, anymore then it's no one's fault to have specific expectations when purchasing a ferrari.
A sandbox MMO based on the best selling sandbox RPG ever, is hardly an unreasonable expectation.
Fixed in yellow...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It was never going to be "bold and original" which is exactly why Zenimax and Bethesda held off on the project for so long.
They cannot take a TES single player RPG and adapt it in it's entirety to fit the MMORPG genre. It simply isn't going to happen which is why so many fans of the series never wanted to see TES in MMORPG form to begin with.
Except the franchise very much does imply very specific gameplay characteristics. That's not anyone fault, because the ES series intended to be a very specific style of game.
The entire ES Singler player series is built around a single idea, they will develop a world that we as players can do whatever we want in. Bethesda has always maintained a very specific design philosophy when it comes to the ES series, and over the years they've been very upfront about what kind of game the ES series is supposed to be.
There is no guessing about what kind of game you expect to be playing when it has ES name on it. It is no one's fault, anymore then it's no one's fault to have specific expectations when purchasing a ferrari.
A sandbox MMO based on the best selling sandbox RPG ever, is hardly an unreasonable expectation.
Fixed in yellow...
Sandbox games exist in multiplayer
Currently playing - FF14ARR Previous games - SWG, World of Warcraft, ShadowBane, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall, Planetside Asheron's Call, Everquest, Everquest 2, Too many.
It was never going to be "bold and original" which is exactly why Zenimax and Bethesda held off on the project for so long.
They cannot take a TES single player RPG and adapt it in it's entirety to fit the MMORPG genre. It simply isn't going to happen which is why so many fans of the series never wanted to see TES in MMORPG form to begin with.
THose fans could simply not play? This is the problem with fans. They think they're in control and it's up to them.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Except the franchise very much does imply very specific gameplay characteristics. That's not anyone fault, because the ES series intended to be a very specific style of game.
The entire ES Singler player series is built around a single idea, they will develop a world that we as players can do whatever we want in. Bethesda has always maintained a very specific design philosophy when it comes to the ES series, and over the years they've been very upfront about what kind of game the ES series is supposed to be.
There is no guessing about what kind of game you expect to be playing when it has ES name on it. It is no one's fault, anymore then it's no one's fault to have specific expectations when purchasing a ferrari.
A sandbox MMO based on the best selling sandbox RPG ever, is hardly an unreasonable expectation.
Fixed in yellow...
Sandbox games exist in multiplayer
I'm not getting into the sandbox debate again it goes no where, all I would have to offer is sarcasm at this point.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
While I didn't take an arrow in the knee, I use Skooma because it makes me work harder and longer, so I can make more money,so I can buy more Skooma. I don't see a problem with that.
The sooner you fall behind the more time you have to catch up.
It was never going to be "bold and original" which is exactly why Zenimax and Bethesda held off on the project for so long.
They cannot take a TES single player RPG and adapt it in it's entirety to fit the MMORPG genre. It simply isn't going to happen which is why so many fans of the series never wanted to see TES in MMORPG form to begin with.
THose fans could simply not play? This is the problem with fans. They think they're in control and it's up to them.
Yes let's make the Elder Scrolls Online to not attract the 10 million people who bought Skyrim...
"You CAN'T buy ships for RL money." - MaxBacon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Except the franchise very much does imply very specific gameplay characteristics.
Ignorance won't help you to prove your point.
Franchise are rights over intellectual property, no more no less. Look at very much used Star Wars franchise, you have all sort of games based on it - arcade, FPS, racing, etc.
Except the game isnt going to sell well because its alienating its entire player base for one that doesnt exist. So in the end the company the ignorant one.
It was never going to be "bold and original" which is exactly why Zenimax and Bethesda held off on the project for so long.
They cannot take a TES single player RPG and adapt it in it's entirety to fit the MMORPG genre. It simply isn't going to happen which is why so many fans of the series never wanted to see TES in MMORPG form to begin with.
THose fans could simply not play? This is the problem with fans. They think they're in control and it's up to them.
Perhaps you missed the part where they announed "an ES mmo that the fans have always wanted"?
How would a game that is completely opposite of what the fans of ES have come to know, what the fans of ES would want?
ES doesn't sell millions of copies because of the stories, it's almost entirely based on the gameplay.
When it's your fans you're making a game for, and you need them to buy the game, it is very much the fans that are in control. No one sells a product to people who don't want to buy the product. You've got some very stange logic.
Except the franchise very much does imply very specific gameplay characteristics.
Ignorance won't help you to prove your point.
Franchise are rights over intellectual property, no more no less. Look at very much used Star Wars franchise, you have all sort of games based on it - arcade, FPS, racing, etc.
It's pointless, this whole debate is, those drawing conclusions are only doing so on one basis, "it's not the game I've dreamed of for years". They're stuck in the delusion of "because I've dreamed it, it can happen and would work."
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It was never going to be "bold and original" which is exactly why Zenimax and Bethesda held off on the project for so long.
They cannot take a TES single player RPG and adapt it in it's entirety to fit the MMORPG genre. It simply isn't going to happen which is why so many fans of the series never wanted to see TES in MMORPG form to begin with.
THose fans could simply not play? This is the problem with fans. They think they're in control and it's up to them.
Perhaps you missed the part where they announed "an ES mmo that the fans have always wanted"?
How would a game that is completely opposite of what the fans of ES have come to know, what the fans of ES would want?
ES doesn't sell millions of copies because of the stories, it's almost entirely based on the gameplay.
When it's your fans you're making a game for, and you need them to buy the game, it is very much the fans that are in control. No one sells a product to people who don't want to buy the product. You've got some very stange logic.
Stop speaking for fans please I'm a huge fan and you do not share my opinion what so ever.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by jiveturkey12 Except the game isnt going to sell well because its alienating its entire player base for one that doesnt exist. So in the end the company the ignorant one.
Do you also see lottery numbers in your crystal ball? If so, you could start your own TESO project with all the money you got...
Comments
Who said it was going to be a bold, original mmo?
Just players fantasizing and assuming.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I'm a huge fan of the series no game tops it's whole IMO. I'd even consider myself somewhat of a fanboi hometeam and all (MD pride).
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'm pretty sure that I've never called any game a wow clone. I'm really not a fan of the term, just because peopler an't trying to copy wow, they're trying to copy blizzards success. All the game elements are the same in pretty much every game made between EQ and WoW; even UO uses most of the same gameplay mechanics.
But..
The only thing you could possible take fromthe GI/ Bethesda promotional stunt (I refuse to believe the link right now), is that it's a wow clone. When they describe the features and explicity state that it's "just like world of warcraft" it's very clear that the intent is to be "just like world of warcraft".
The entire theme of the "article" is wow clone. The scans are literally supposed to be the developers, in not so many words, stating that the game is a wow clone. Remember, I don't really think any game is a wow clone. But, if you're going to tell me you're making a wow clone, then ok, if that's choose to label it; more power to you.
Am I the only one that's been laughing nonstop for the last two days? Really, "hey guys, we're making an ES mmo, it's a wow clone". No one else finds this incredibly funny?
Something tells me there are going to be a lot of people going, "oh, you bethesda guys you. Bunch of rascals you are! You got me." in a few weeks or a month. At least I really hope.
I am just now wrapping my head around the full hilarity of the situation and I'm with ya!
This really does seem like some kind of absurd marketing joke (does that exist). It's just too good at being utterly bizarre and hilarious. It's all the opposite of what you'd think they'd say. So the article now reads comically, whereas initially i was pretty shocked and confused by it. Now i'm just enjoying their well executed and sly show of comedic prowess. Well done i say.
Let us hope you're right..
Currently playing - FF14ARR
Previous games - SWG, World of Warcraft, ShadowBane, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall, Planetside Asheron's Call, Everquest, Everquest 2, Too many.
Bethesda nor ZeniMax Online are liable for unreasonable expectations.
If you do not understand that franchise does not imply any game play characteristics, it is your problem only.
It is IF they are actualy trying to convince me to BUY thier product..... and clearly from the number of comments in this thread from other people who have said they enjoyed TES series...it is very much not my problem ONLY. Unless you think those others are actualy lying about thier own sense of disappointment.
Except the franchise very much does imply very specific gameplay characteristics. That's not anyone fault, because the ES series intended to be a very specific style of game.
The entire ES series is built around a single idea, they will develop a world that we as players can do whatever we want in. Bethesda has always maintained a very specific design philosophy when it comes to the ES series, and over the years they've been very upfront about what kind of game the ES series is supposed to be.
There is no guessing about what kind of game you expect to be playing when it has ES name on it. It is no one's fault, anymore then it's no one's fault to have specific expectations when purchasing a ferrari.
A sandbox MMO based on the best selling sandbox RPG ever, is hardly an unreasonable expectation.
You guys can skip it it all you want, just realize your personal expectation is not something they obviously set out to please.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Just because there are more with unreasonable expectations does not change my point.
It is still your problem only.
Sooner you realize your error, the better.
Fixed in yellow...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It was never going to be "bold and original" which is exactly why Zenimax and Bethesda held off on the project for so long.
They cannot take a TES single player RPG and adapt it in it's entirety to fit the MMORPG genre. It simply isn't going to happen which is why so many fans of the series never wanted to see TES in MMORPG form to begin with.
Good thread title...
Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.
Sandbox games exist in multiplayer
Currently playing - FF14ARR
Previous games - SWG, World of Warcraft, ShadowBane, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall, Planetside Asheron's Call, Everquest, Everquest 2, Too many.
This x 100
Such a simple premise, comical that it is lost on so many.
THose fans could simply not play? This is the problem with fans. They think they're in control and it's up to them.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'm not getting into the sandbox debate again it goes no where, all I would have to offer is sarcasm at this point.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Ignorance won't help you to prove your point.
Franchise are rights over intellectual property, no more no less. There is no implication how those rights are supposed to be used.
Look at much used Star Wars franchise, you have all sort of games based on it - arcade, FPS, racing, 3rd person, etc.
While I didn't take an arrow in the knee, I use Skooma because it makes me work harder and longer, so I can make more money,so I can buy more Skooma. I don't see a problem with that.
The sooner you fall behind the more time you have to catch up.
Yes let's make the Elder Scrolls Online to not attract the 10 million people who bought Skyrim...
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Except the game isnt going to sell well because its alienating its entire player base for one that doesnt exist. So in the end the company the ignorant one.
Perhaps you missed the part where they announed "an ES mmo that the fans have always wanted"?
How would a game that is completely opposite of what the fans of ES have come to know, what the fans of ES would want?
ES doesn't sell millions of copies because of the stories, it's almost entirely based on the gameplay.
When it's your fans you're making a game for, and you need them to buy the game, it is very much the fans that are in control. No one sells a product to people who don't want to buy the product. You've got some very stange logic.
It's pointless, this whole debate is, those drawing conclusions are only doing so on one basis, "it's not the game I've dreamed of for years". They're stuck in the delusion of "because I've dreamed it, it can happen and would work."
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Stop speaking for fans please I'm a huge fan and you do not share my opinion what so ever.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Do you also see lottery numbers in your crystal ball? If so, you could start your own TESO project with all the money you got...