I was waiting to see what 3.0 is going to be like but if this is the future of Aion then i don't want to be a part of it. Did enjoy the game but i found it so bland, it couldn't entice me anymore.
Just hit 32 last night, was also looking forward to 3.0, with the player housing, mounts etc.... but now...
I'll stop once i hit 55 and find another game....
You did better than me i only got to 27! Housing and Mounts look really interesting in the trailer. Kind of get a feeling that they will charge you rent for your house
A sad day for Aion. NcSoft fixing their broken game with a cash shop. Now you got the option to spend 1000s of hours of grind to beat the random number generator or to pay extra $$$.
Uhm i hate to break it to you but this isn't pay to win, it's called Pay to Enhance, that's not the same as pay to win. Pay to win is where you can buy entire armor sets, entire weapon sets that are on par with max raid content gear. It's where your games gear directly effects your toons damage output. Buying enhancements for gear is nowhere near the same thing.
To use World of Warcraft as an example, because so many do, this is the equivolent of buying enchantments for your weapons and armor with real life money.
But i do agree, their game is broken ESPECIALLY if they are still using a failure mechanic at max skill for any kind of gear enhancement. That's just plain rediculous. It's as rediculous as the mechanic used in EQX for crafting anything.
It's still pay to win, because you're paying extra money to guarantee you do not fail. Not failing is succeeding, which is synonymous with winning. It's not an "I win" button, but it is paying to win the 'mini-game' lottery that is socketing.
The socketing system is an intentionally designed inconvenience that's been put into the game, that many players seem to outright despise. Instead of actually correcting the system and changing it into something players would tolerate better, or actually enjoy, they instead sell a "solution" to an intentionally created problem. That's pretty damn sleezy from a business point of view.
Sorry, when you say Pay to Win it might mean something different to yourself, but to everyone else online it means Pay to Win the game. not pay to win in a slot enhancement. Pay to win the game is what Pay to Win means and it was originally coined as such to describe people who can pay real life money to be a success at the game, not a tiny piece of the game the entire game itself. That includes, raiding, pvp, dungeons etc not enchantments. So your little attempt at a redefinition is as fail as Aion trying to improve revenue by not fixing and inherent problem with their enhancement system with a store item. I don't agree with what they are doing, but it's STILL not pay to win until they sell you ACTUAL gear. Can you slot one of these things as a shield or a weapon? no.
Slotting a purchasable item (purchasable with RL money) to use as a weapon or armor piece = pay to win.
I normally can't stand the "OMG PAY TO WIN" crybabies...but this isn't the case. This one IS actually pay to win. With a few bucks you can completely bypass the absolute frustration of trying to socket a fabled set. One of the things I used to talk about to compliment Aion was the fact tht there aren't any guarantees: there's always a risk that you could lose something: XP if you die, sockets if they fail, etc. This is no longer the case, and it's a sad day.
Looks like these will only be for sale until October 12th. For the sake of the game, let's hope they never return but the damage may have already been done. It's enough for me to consider never going back, and I"ve always defended this game in the face of strong criticism.
even if it ends on the 12th they will still have massively OPed people due to this. If anything, its worse that they put it in then take it out because people that come after will never equal the people that took part and bought them. christ.........am i ever glad that I didn't get past the first month on this game.
A sad day for Aion. NcSoft fixing their broken game with a cash shop. Now you got the option to spend 1000s of hours of grind to beat the random number generator or to pay extra $$$.
Uhm i hate to break it to you but this isn't pay to win, it's called Pay to Enhance...
So what does this "enhancement" do? It makes you hit harder, live longer...it helps you win. You pay money, you save the insane amount of gold/time it takes to achieve the equivalent in-game. It's literally millions and millions of gold and potentially months of time. What you say is true... a bad player who spends real life money might still lose.
a tiny enhancement is still not enough to allow you to win. It's only a tiny enhancement. Like it or not it's still not pay to win.
If it was a "tiny enhancement" then why on earth would any store even sell enhancements? If they didn't matter, why sell them? The fact is: they do matter, and that's why western players have been griping about how long it takes and how expensive it is to enhance gear. Instead of providing a fix for free, they are simply selling the fix for a profit.
You and I will agree to disagree on how important enhancing your gear is in Aion. It's HUGE imho. Do you know how many enhancement slots are on fabled gear and how many stats are on each stone?
A sad day for Aion. NcSoft fixing their broken game with a cash shop. Now you got the option to spend 1000s of hours of grind to beat the random number generator or to pay extra $$$.
Uhm i hate to break it to you but this isn't pay to win, it's called Pay to Enhance...
So what does this "enhancement" do? It makes you hit harder, live longer...it helps you win. You pay money, you save the insane amount of gold/time it takes to achieve the equivalent in-game. It's literally millions and millions of gold and potentially months of time. What you say is true... a bad player who spends real life money might still lose.
a tiny enhancement is still not enough to allow you to win. It's only a tiny enhancement. Like it or not it's still not pay to win. It's pay to save time. (and apparently save lots of sub money and heartache since they apparently still have failure in enchanting in this way in game) but that's it. If they sold gear, then yes it would be pay to win because gear by itself with it's stats enhancements would give you a huge advantage over just one or two points in enhancements. It's a tiny enhancement compared to the stats enhancements on gear. So yes it might give you a 1-2% increase in health or damage but that's not an instant win button, sorry, the math for this doesn't work that way.
actually..............if 2 players are equally skilled and would use the exact same skill sets..............at the exact same times........and one has slightly better stats, the one with the better stats would win. that aside, even in a real pvp situation i have played games where in my personal experience different enchants that i have on gear have made my win ratio go up. you are PAYING money to have an edge in battle so that you can have a better chance of WINNING.
A sad day for Aion. NcSoft fixing their broken game with a cash shop. Now you got the option to spend 1000s of hours of grind to beat the random number generator or to pay extra $$$.
Having XP bonus items in the EQ2 cash shop is bad but this is just crazy. I was thinking of giving Aion a try but I won't now.
It also doesn't speak well of the path GW2 is headed down either. I can see some crazy cash shop nonsence coming for that game.
A sad day for Aion. NcSoft fixing their broken game with a cash shop. Now you got the option to spend 1000s of hours of grind to beat the random number generator or to pay extra $$$.
Uhm i hate to break it to you but this isn't pay to win, it's called Pay to Enhance...
So what does this "enhancement" do? It makes you hit harder, live longer...it helps you win. You pay money, you save the insane amount of gold/time it takes to achieve the equivalent in-game. It's literally millions and millions of gold and potentially months of time. What you say is true... a bad player who spends real life money might still lose.
a tiny enhancement is still not enough to allow you to win. It's only a tiny enhancement. Like it or not it's still not pay to win. It's pay to save time. (and apparently save lots of sub money and heartache since they apparently still have failure in enchanting in this way in game) but that's it. If they sold gear, then yes it would be pay to win because gear by itself with it's stats enhancements would give you a huge advantage over just one or two points in enhancements. It's a tiny enhancement compared to the stats enhancements on gear. So yes it might give you a 1-2% increase in health or damage but that's not an instant win button, sorry, the math for this doesn't work that way.
actually..............if 2 players are equally skilled and would use the exact same skill sets..............at the exact same times........and one has slightly better stats, the one with the better stats would win. that aside, even in a real pvp situation i have played games where in my personal experience different enchants that i have on gear have made my win ratio go up. you are PAYING money to have an edge in battle so that you can have a better chance of WINNING.
This poster also seems to forget that without a guarantee, POOF all of your sockets are gone...even if you're on the 5th or 6th one... all of them, destroyed and you have no sockets. The guarantee truly is pay to win. Again, I'm not one of these crybabies that hates cash shops or even f2p games. Facts are facts.
Originally posted by itgrowlsa tiny enhancement is still not enough to allow you to win. It's only a tiny enhancement. Like it or not it's still not pay to win. It's pay to save time.
So having a few months of a big gear advantage where you win since you paid money isn't "pay to win" because after those months others might have the same gear? Not sure if I share you logic.
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Originally posted by Hyp47 wats up with all the QQ about this cash item, u want it you buy, you dont want it you dont have to buy, simple as that, in my case ill just continue with the old socketing system.
They're telling everyone, "Yeah, we've got a solution to this awful mechanic, but first you have to pay extra." If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it, but you can rest assured that you will never be provided a reasonable solution.
Socketing is succeed or fail. Win or lose. You pay extra and automatically succeed. It's literally pay to win.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
A system intentionally designed poorly to be annoying and frustrating so that they can sell you a fix, despite the fact that you've payed for the box AND pay a monthly fee? And some people are ok with this?
Sweet. I think I'll start a web hosting company that sells web-space with both an upfront and standard monthly fee, and then instead of guarenteeing 99% uptime like most (respectable) hosting companies, I'll intentionally design my server software poorly so that it crashes every once in awhile and charge a fee to fix this purposefully created problem.
Apparently, people are stupid enough to tolerate this sort of crap, so I should make a fortune.
A system intentionally designed poorly to be annoying and frustrating so that they can sell you a fix, despite the fact that you've payed for the box AND pay a monthly fee? And some people are ok with this?
I agree with you
Its outrageous. MMO are just trying to milk as much as possible.
Purposefully they put hindrance to the game and then charge for temprorary fix
This is simple - "Eastern" MMO player mentality related to grinding and cash shops just don't work in the "West". Until publishers and developers consistently recognize this and change gaming dynamics - which is more effort to maintain code and publish updates - bad decisions from one cultural perspective will often happen.
Originally posted by TGSOL A system intentionally designed poorly to be annoying and frustrating so that they can sell you a fix, despite the fact that you've payed for the box AND pay a monthly fee? And some people are ok with this
You talk about it as if P2P mainstream titles weren't guilty of similar 'marketing strategies'. Like charging per month and then basing the game off tireless timesinks deprived of real fun. Both marketing models have their dirty tricks.
Probably the best of the bunch and the eventual winners of the market will be the action based, F2P games with cash shop, like League of Legends, S4 League, etc. Ask anyone, they will prefer to be fighting frantically to kill thousands of identical mobs only to farm some mats or to kill the same boss over and over only for the slight chance to get a piece of the next tier set.
In conclusion, P2P games are guilty too of milking cash from the user with no real FUN.
and that is why i'll never play another game associated by any means with NCsoft.
While I liked a lot of things (besides the massive gear dependence and RNG) in Aion I will never return with this move.
The bad decisions in Aion is not going to keep me from buying GW2 though. ArenaNet has handled their cashshop extremely well in Guild Wars, even if it is B2P.
We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!! (repeat ad infinitum)
Got SW jerkin drop today. Bought 80 Attack +5 stones, used all of them -> SW jerkin had a max of 2 slots filled. Then used 83 attack +3 stones and had 3 slots with +3 stones in end. Tried to fill up the remaining 2 slots with HP +70, loosing all attack stats.
Nearly 2 hours of non stop frustration, resulting in nothing but money burnt, I'd call that broken by design. And now they want their players to pay cash to fix this? Don't think it's worth the over $100.
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A system intentionally designed poorly to be annoying and frustrating so that they can sell you a fix, despite the fact that you've payed for the box AND pay a monthly fee? And some people are ok with this
You talk about it as if P2P mainstream titles weren't guilty of similar 'marketing strategies'.
And you talk about it as if it's ok.
I'm getting fed up with this rationalisation and justification of what is pure BS for the customer tbh.
Are you kidding me $100 ? That is a lot of mullah to get a good jerkin no thank you. My god what a rip off.
Sorry, it's not $100 to socket the jerkin, but $100 to socket the whole set (5 armor parts).
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manastones and enchants broken the game in every way possible, and the first and most important rule to play a game , any game its fun and those kind of mechanics are really not fun at all
Welcome to why I quit Aion. After spending over 100mil trying to enchant my gear to +15 from +12 I ended up a +10. Ridiculous design and now it makes sense why they never fixed this issue even with all the complaints...cha ching!
Hm , so many " I wanted to resub" or "I was thinking to give Aion a try" and some other bullshits like that. Or "thank God I unsubbed after 1 month of release, but hey one day I would have wanted to get back, but because of this i will never get back" . HELLO! Aion has been out for 2 years and none of you will ever get back and/or "wanting to try it" ( some exceptions may apply ). You have the "chance" now to bash Aion for this cash shop item ( yes, it is a cash shop item ) and you are doing it a the "full speed". But you know what? Your opinion is zero for the simple fact that you DON'T play Aion!
I am not defending NcSoft nor I don't agree, because I know what this item means in terms of gameplay and is almost zero. No , I am not going to explain to you why do I think like that. Because you are not playing, and the ones who play , does not need an explication because they know what this means.
You are the minority , we are the majority ! Stop hating! We have a game where we DO have fun, while you don't! Sure, go play your LOTRO , or any other REAL F2P game and leave Aion alone
( This comment is meant for peoples who were saying the lines which I early stated )
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Welcome to why I quit Aion. After spending over 100mil trying to enchant my gear to +15 from +12 I ended up a +10. Ridiculous design and now it makes sense why they never fixed this issue even with all the complaints...cha ching!
Happy quiting! Those are for MANA STONES, not enchantment stones to make your weapon to + 15 ! But hey , keep complaining .. and also keep quiting games where you fail to achive something!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
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You did better than me i only got to 27! Housing and Mounts look really interesting in the trailer. Kind of get a feeling that they will charge you rent for your house
Sorry, when you say Pay to Win it might mean something different to yourself, but to everyone else online it means Pay to Win the game. not pay to win in a slot enhancement. Pay to win the game is what Pay to Win means and it was originally coined as such to describe people who can pay real life money to be a success at the game, not a tiny piece of the game the entire game itself. That includes, raiding, pvp, dungeons etc not enchantments. So your little attempt at a redefinition is as fail as Aion trying to improve revenue by not fixing and inherent problem with their enhancement system with a store item. I don't agree with what they are doing, but it's STILL not pay to win until they sell you ACTUAL gear. Can you slot one of these things as a shield or a weapon? no.
Slotting a purchasable item (purchasable with RL money) to use as a weapon or armor piece = pay to win.
even if it ends on the 12th they will still have massively OPed people due to this. If anything, its worse that they put it in then take it out because people that come after will never equal the people that took part and bought them. christ.........am i ever glad that I didn't get past the first month on this game.
If it was a "tiny enhancement" then why on earth would any store even sell enhancements? If they didn't matter, why sell them? The fact is: they do matter, and that's why western players have been griping about how long it takes and how expensive it is to enhance gear. Instead of providing a fix for free, they are simply selling the fix for a profit.
You and I will agree to disagree on how important enhancing your gear is in Aion. It's HUGE imho. Do you know how many enhancement slots are on fabled gear and how many stats are on each stone?
actually..............if 2 players are equally skilled and would use the exact same skill sets..............at the exact same times........and one has slightly better stats, the one with the better stats would win. that aside, even in a real pvp situation i have played games where in my personal experience different enchants that i have on gear have made my win ratio go up. you are PAYING money to have an edge in battle so that you can have a better chance of WINNING.
Having XP bonus items in the EQ2 cash shop is bad but this is just crazy. I was thinking of giving Aion a try but I won't now.
It also doesn't speak well of the path GW2 is headed down either. I can see some crazy cash shop nonsence coming for that game.
This poster also seems to forget that without a guarantee, POOF all of your sockets are gone...even if you're on the 5th or 6th one... all of them, destroyed and you have no sockets. The guarantee truly is pay to win. Again, I'm not one of these crybabies that hates cash shops or even f2p games. Facts are facts.
So having a few months of a big gear advantage where you win since you paid money isn't "pay to win" because after those months others might have the same gear? Not sure if I share you logic.
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/where God
ERROR: Target could not be found
/target Believer
/skill science
You missed your target since Believer ignores science
/skill logic
You missed your target since Believer traded all his INT for faith.
They're telling everyone, "Yeah, we've got a solution to this awful mechanic, but first you have to pay extra." If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it, but you can rest assured that you will never be provided a reasonable solution.
Socketing is succeed or fail. Win or lose. You pay extra and automatically succeed. It's literally pay to win.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
cash shop on top of monthly fee?! sounds bad....
A system intentionally designed poorly to be annoying and frustrating so that they can sell you a fix, despite the fact that you've payed for the box AND pay a monthly fee? And some people are ok with this?
Sweet. I think I'll start a web hosting company that sells web-space with both an upfront and standard monthly fee, and then instead of guarenteeing 99% uptime like most (respectable) hosting companies, I'll intentionally design my server software poorly so that it crashes every once in awhile and charge a fee to fix this purposefully created problem.
Apparently, people are stupid enough to tolerate this sort of crap, so I should make a fortune.
I agree with you
Its outrageous. MMO are just trying to milk as much as possible.
Purposefully they put hindrance to the game and then charge for temprorary fix
Grr, it greedy...
I don't like Aion as found it too boring grinder.
Not sure if idea of sub & cash shop works well too.
Hope GW2 will not be ruined with NSoft ideas....
try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises.
Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2
This is simple - "Eastern" MMO player mentality related to grinding and cash shops just don't work in the "West". Until publishers and developers consistently recognize this and change gaming dynamics - which is more effort to maintain code and publish updates - bad decisions from one cultural perspective will often happen.
You talk about it as if P2P mainstream titles weren't guilty of similar 'marketing strategies'. Like charging per month and then basing the game off tireless timesinks deprived of real fun. Both marketing models have their dirty tricks.
Probably the best of the bunch and the eventual winners of the market will be the action based, F2P games with cash shop, like League of Legends, S4 League, etc. Ask anyone, they will prefer to be fighting frantically to kill thousands of identical mobs only to farm some mats or to kill the same boss over and over only for the slight chance to get a piece of the next tier set.
In conclusion, P2P games are guilty too of milking cash from the user with no real FUN.
and that is why i'll never play another game associated by any means with NCsoft.
While I liked a lot of things (besides the massive gear dependence and RNG) in Aion I will never return with this move.
The bad decisions in Aion is not going to keep me from buying GW2 though. ArenaNet has handled their cashshop extremely well in Guild Wars, even if it is B2P.
We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
(repeat ad infinitum)
Got SW jerkin drop today. Bought 80 Attack +5 stones, used all of them -> SW jerkin had a max of 2 slots filled. Then used 83 attack +3 stones and had 3 slots with +3 stones in end. Tried to fill up the remaining 2 slots with HP +70, loosing all attack stats.
Nearly 2 hours of non stop frustration, resulting in nothing but money burnt, I'd call that broken by design. And now they want their players to pay cash to fix this? Don't think it's worth the over $100.
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/where God
ERROR: Target could not be found
/target Believer
/skill science
You missed your target since Believer ignores science
/skill logic
You missed your target since Believer traded all his INT for faith.
Are you kidding me $100 ? That is a lot of mullah to get a good jerkin no thank you. My god what a rip off.
And you talk about it as if it's ok.
I'm getting fed up with this rationalisation and justification of what is pure BS for the customer tbh.
Sorry, it's not $100 to socket the jerkin, but $100 to socket the whole set (5 armor parts).
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/where God
ERROR: Target could not be found
/target Believer
/skill science
You missed your target since Believer ignores science
/skill logic
You missed your target since Believer traded all his INT for faith.
manastones and enchants broken the game in every way possible, and the first and most important rule to play a game , any game its fun and those kind of mechanics are really not fun at all
Welcome to why I quit Aion. After spending over 100mil trying to enchant my gear to +15 from +12 I ended up a +10. Ridiculous design and now it makes sense why they never fixed this issue even with all the complaints...cha ching!
Hm , so many " I wanted to resub" or "I was thinking to give Aion a try" and some other bullshits like that. Or "thank God I unsubbed after 1 month of release, but hey one day I would have wanted to get back, but because of this i will never get back" . HELLO! Aion has been out for 2 years and none of you will ever get back and/or "wanting to try it" ( some exceptions may apply ). You have the "chance" now to bash Aion for this cash shop item ( yes, it is a cash shop item ) and you are doing it a the "full speed". But you know what? Your opinion is zero for the simple fact that you DON'T play Aion!
I am not defending NcSoft nor I don't agree, because I know what this item means in terms of gameplay and is almost zero. No , I am not going to explain to you why do I think like that. Because you are not playing, and the ones who play , does not need an explication because they know what this means.
You are the minority , we are the majority ! Stop hating! We have a game where we DO have fun, while you don't! Sure, go play your LOTRO , or any other REAL F2P game and leave Aion alone
( This comment is meant for peoples who were saying the lines which I early stated )
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Happy quiting! Those are for MANA STONES, not enchantment stones to make your weapon to + 15 ! But hey , keep complaining .. and also keep quiting games where you fail to achive something!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!