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  • BlackWatchBlackWatch Member UncommonPosts: 972

    I really don't see Diablo as an MMORPG either.

    I don't think it really matters, tbh.  No, I don't think it should be listed on the site along with other true MMORPG's, but whatev.

    I mean, I really don't want all the trashed F2P asian-grinder-esque games on the site either.  WTB filter to remove all adds and F2P game information. 

    Anyway, to stay on topic... Blizz is going to try as hard as they can to turn Diablo III into another E-Sport game with the 'pvp-arena'.  That still doesn't make it an MMORPG, though.  They don't refer to it as an MMORPG internal to the company either.

    Online-enabled RPG with multi-player elements. 

     

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  • ArzacaneArzacane Member UncommonPosts: 24

    Diablo is an MMO in it's own reguards. Hundreds of people log into the main server. Though it may not be a graphical city or marketplace, it's still a place where people meet up and run off to do what ever. If it were the case that only games such as WoW and EQ and others of that nature that have open worlds hundreds of people can quest in at a time, games such as Dungeons and Dragons Online, LoL and the up coming Wrath Of Heroes would have to get removed as they have little areas where people meet up, but when it comes to questing, they form small parties (not nearly the 100+ as the OP stated) and they get their own quest area, finish it then head back to the 'graphical lobby' or what not. Another famous game would be GW. There's plenty MMOs out there that don't have the huge massive areas where people go play in, but they all have their gathering place, graphical or chatroom styled, where everyone can meet up.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    Originally posted by Arzacane

    Diablo is an MMO in it's own reguards. Hundreds of people log into the main server. Though it may not be a graphical city or marketplace, it's still a place where people meet up and run off to do what ever. If it were the case that only games such as WoW and EQ and others of that nature that have open worlds hundreds of people can quest in at a time, games such as Dungeons and Dragons Online, LoL and the up coming Wrath Of Heroes would have to get removed as they have little areas where people meet up, but when it comes to questing, they form small parties (not nearly the 100+ as the OP stated) and they get their own quest area, finish it then head back to the 'graphical lobby' or what not. Another famous game would be GW. There's plenty MMOs out there that don't have the huge massive areas where people go play in, but they all have their gathering place, graphical or chatroom styled, where everyone can meet up.

    No, that is not even a CORPG.

    It is a multiplayer RPG just like Biowares Never winter nights, or possibly a multiplayer action game. Nothing wrong with that (I still think NWN is the best multiplayer RPG I ever played and that includes MMOs) but it have nothing to do on this site.

  • AsheramAsheram Member EpicPosts: 4,412

    Omg how many of these "Why is this game on your list it isnt a MMO" threads do we have to go thru til people figure out that it is a free sight and that the ones who pay the bills can write about whatever the hell they want to.Be glad I am not funding the sight because I would start putting up articles about MOVIES and MUSIC just to piss those that cry over this off.

  • kilunkilun Member UncommonPosts: 759

    Sorry for not replying last night, this thread just got way to comical and out of hand to continue on that late and I had enough laughs

    @WSImike

    I understand at its core it isn't an MMORPG by what I normally classify an MMO as, but that alone is getting changed with the way games are developed.

    You stated in reply #32

    "One of the core and essential elements of a MMORPG is thousands of people sharing the same persistent world at the same time."

    So by that definition games with one server but shards, Cryptics games for example, aren't even MMO's.  How does that relate to games that don't have high populations, should we remove the first "M"?  I don't state this to be ignorant or trying to be an ass, I feel its an honest question.

    Some games have what we consider Massive gameplay, rifting in RIFT on a pvp server sure comes to mind as a newer release.  But more and more games get away from open world content and focus solely on instanced content.  I frankly don't like this content.

    I suppose the basic fundamental would be can thousands could potential interact with each other, but really how many players are going to be in the same spot doing more than standing around?  A few hundred?  I haven't seen massive battles since Shadowbane really.  RIFT probably had a few and I'd wager EVE and Darkfall had the same as Shadowbane and probably on a fairly often basis.  So really only a few games have gameplay that allows players to do more than stand around and shout at each other.  I would even say the term "persistant world" has been removed in games with instances because it is no longer persistant.

    With that said what really is the difference between 1000 people standing around waiting for an instance queue and 1000 people in a chat channel in games that focus on instanced content and not open world objectives?

  • someforumguysomeforumguy Member RarePosts: 4,068

    So basically any shooter that has some kind of minimal toon progression with an online multiplayer option can also be called MMORPG from now on?

    And how does the singleplayer experience fit into this?

    EDIT : The only reason I can think of why they put it on this website, is because it doesnt fit on any of the affiliated sites either.

  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,180

    I don't understand the hate with this.. again. Do you pay the bills? do you pay a subscription fee to read articles? You can pick up a magazine that is based on something you are interested in, however there will be ads and possibily other articles related to what you're reading but NOT the same thing. This is not any different, either skip the page or read.

    Tired of new genres and sub genres popping up everyday. Cause yanno i can't wait to go pick up that new FPSMOBARTSRPG! Really though, the only game that i can think of that really still holds true to what an MMORPG should be is Lineage2. Everything else is mostly a hub in which characters rarely see each other in the game world or outside of an instance.

    I come to MMORPG.com for anything online RPG related. The site has had non mmo discussions for quite some time now.. nothing new so move along.

  • GoodAfternoonGoodAfternoon Member UncommonPosts: 252

    Originally posted by Senerius

    OK  wow hmmm gee lets see....

     

    Is Diablo 3 a rpg?  YES!  I don't think anyone disputes this.

    Is Diablo 3 massively multiplayer online?    Hmmm Can alot of players play this game at the same time and does it require internet?  The answer is yes. 

     

     

    lolololololololololol

    Rift


  • Originally posted by greenstoned

    is it me or this is kinda overzealous

    It's not you, it's overzealousness in hyperdrive. IMO, it doesn't matter to me if a game like Diablo 3 gets coverage here, or not. No, it's not an MMO, but it is a close cousin. A lot of people, here, don't only play MMO's (like me), and don't see a big problem with columns or forums on games that have some similarites to MMO's. In the end, like a lot of these member threads, this is just another case of the following:

    "I really liked this girl in high school....her name was MMORPG Dot Com. I asked her to the senior prom and she said 'no', so now my feelings (and butt) are hurt, but I SHALL have my revenge!"

    Seriously, these petty and trite threads get old.

  • VultureSkullVultureSkull Member UncommonPosts: 1,774

    Who cares if it is an MMO or not, there is a lot of interest in this game by people who visit this site. So why not have a forum to discuss it? Rules are to guide wise men and for fools to follow.

    After all there is a section on this site where we can talk about non-mmo games, so if you want to complain about anything complain that it is not in that particular section, but that is a rule (see above for advice on that) and anyone with half a brain would not put Diablo 3 in that section anyway as it should have a who section for itself as it has.

  • KanethKaneth Member RarePosts: 2,284

    Originally posted by Aori

    I don't understand the hate with this.. again. Do you pay the bills? do you pay a subscription fee to read articles? You can pick up a magazine that is based on something you are interested in, however there will be ads and possibily other articles related to what you're reading but NOT the same thing. This is not any different, either skip the page or read.

    Tired of new genres and sub genres popping up everyday. Cause yanno i can't wait to go pick up that new FPSMOBARTSRPG! Really though, the only game that i can think of that really still holds true to what an MMORPG should be is Lineage2. Everything else is mostly a hub in which characters rarely see each other in the game world or outside of an instance.

    I come to MMORPG.com for anything online RPG related. The site has had non mmo discussions for quite some time now.. nothing new so move along.

    This is how I feel too. If you don't like what is placed here, then stop visiting....fairly simple thing to do. However, the staff are attempting to generate as many hits to their site as possible, and adding numerous games is a way to do that.

    I too enjoy reading this site, because it covers many of the games I enjoy. Besides, what's in a name? What if they changed the banner to MMO+RPG.com? Then this "debate" become null, and they could add games like Skyrim :P

  • MadatanMadatan Member UncommonPosts: 182

    Diablo 3 is not an MMORPG. This thread is still stupid.

    Let me elaborate: What exactly is the point of this thread? Why the rage on a forum that might not be a perfect fit for this site? Does it decrease the user experience? Does it decrease the quality of content? Does it enter OPs home and burn down OPs couches? No, it's just another forum which people can visit IF THE WANT.

  • xm522xm522 Member UncommonPosts: 117

    so i read a few of the responses. and going by the words of the D3 defenders.... Call of Duty should also be considered an MMORPG. is it an RPG? yes, you roleplay a soldie/soldiers (heck, i am sure you can use an RPG for a weapon). is it multyplayer? hell yes, big parn of modern warfare. massive? more people play COD than anything.. so yes. therefore call of duty is the most succesful mmorpg series in the world. point made.

    OP agree completely with you

  • lennpelllennpell Member UncommonPosts: 111

    Originally posted by xm522

    so i read a few of the responses. and going by the words of the D3 defenders.... Call of Duty should also be considered an MMORPG. is it an RPG? yes, you roleplay a soldie/soldiers (heck, i am sure you can use an RPG for a weapon). is it multyplayer? hell yes, big parn of modern warfare. massive? more people play COD than anything.. so yes. therefore call of duty is the most succesful mmorpg series in the world. point made.

    OP agree completely with you

    Clearly an idiot, call of duty and every game like it is known as an "F-P-S" it has its own genre and everything, you dont follow and live the life of your character, you act scenes in "First-Person-Shooter" mode. What has the education system come to =[.

  • VultureSkullVultureSkull Member UncommonPosts: 1,774

    Originally posted by xm522

    so i read a few of the responses. and going by the words of the D3 defenders.... Call of Duty should also be considered an MMORPG. is it an RPG? yes, you roleplay a soldie/soldiers (heck, i am sure you can use an RPG for a weapon). is it multyplayer? hell yes, big parn of modern warfare. massive? more people play COD than anything.. so yes. therefore call of duty is the most succesful mmorpg series in the world. point made.

    OP agree completely with you

     With this type of logic you can prove anything lol.

    Is a man an insect? Yes, an insect eats and so does a man, so they are the same. pont made.. Not.

  • BizkitNLBizkitNL Member RarePosts: 2,534

    It's simple:

    You call a game an MMO whenever you feel like it. Will you get slapped for it in court? No. Will there be "Is it really an MMO?" discussions in various forums? Yes.

    Case closed.

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  • xm522xm522 Member UncommonPosts: 117

    Originally posted by lennpell

    Originally posted by xm522

    so i read a few of the responses. and going by the words of the D3 defenders.... Call of Duty should also be considered an MMORPG. is it an RPG? yes, you roleplay a soldie/soldiers (heck, i am sure you can use an RPG for a weapon). is it multyplayer? hell yes, big parn of modern warfare. massive? more people play COD than anything.. so yes. therefore call of duty is the most succesful mmorpg series in the world. point made.

    OP agree completely with you

    Clearly an idiot, call of duty and every game like it is known as an "F-P-S" it has its own genre and everything, you dont follow and live the life of your character, you act scenes in "First-Person-Shooter" mode. What has the education system come to =[.

    obviously your IQ is 80. just beause it is a first person shooter does not mean you are not role playing. you are indeed role playing, unless you are ofcourse the actual soldier, in that case, try no to die.

    you see, when you are playing MOST video games you are role playing a character you are not (this is a 99.99% of the time thing). so thanks for giving the oportunity to make you look retarded. enjoy :D!

  • xm522xm522 Member UncommonPosts: 117

    Originally posted by VultureSkull

    Originally posted by xm522

    so i read a few of the responses. and going by the words of the D3 defenders.... Call of Duty should also be considered an MMORPG. is it an RPG? yes, you roleplay a soldie/soldiers (heck, i am sure you can use an RPG for a weapon). is it multyplayer? hell yes, big parn of modern warfare. massive? more people play COD than anything.. so yes. therefore call of duty is the most succesful mmorpg series in the world. point made.

    OP agree completely with you

     With this type of logic you can prove anything lol.

    Is a man an insect? Yes, an insect eats and so does a man, so they are the same. pont made.. Not.

    well thanks for undersanding my post. this is the same logic defenders of D3 (as being an mmo) use. it is completely flawed, and my post was made to more obviously express that.

  • KostKost Member CommonPosts: 1,975

    This site lists at least ten titles that are not MMORPGs.

    One more makes absolutely no difference. If the admins of this site choose to list some titles that are not strictly MMORPGs then so be it. If it honestly bothers you that much you have every right to utilize another site for your MMORPG News. Nobody has a gun to your head, forcing you to view this site.

     

  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,180

    Originally posted by xm522

    Originally posted by lennpell


    Originally posted by xm522

    so i read a few of the responses. and going by the words of the D3 defenders.... Call of Duty should also be considered an MMORPG. is it an RPG? yes, you roleplay a soldie/soldiers (heck, i am sure you can use an RPG for a weapon). is it multyplayer? hell yes, big parn of modern warfare. massive? more people play COD than anything.. so yes. therefore call of duty is the most succesful mmorpg series in the world. point made.

    OP agree completely with you

    Clearly an idiot, call of duty and every game like it is known as an "F-P-S" it has its own genre and everything, you dont follow and live the life of your character, you act scenes in "First-Person-Shooter" mode. What has the education system come to =[.

    obviously your IQ is 80. just beause it is a first person shooter does not mean you are not role playing. you are indeed role playing, unless you are ofcourse the actual soldier, in that case, try no to die.

    you see, when you are playing MOST video games you are role playing a character you are not (this is a 99.99% of the time thing). so thanks for giving the oportunity to make you look retarded. enjoy :D!

    Diablo has always been an RPG, COD has never been considered an RPG. RPG usually involves character development to be considered as such. Most FPS games have limited development which involves weapons only.

  • xm522xm522 Member UncommonPosts: 117

    Originally posted by lennpell

    Clearly an idiot, call of duty and every game like it is known as an "F-P-S" it has its own genre and everything, you dont follow and live the life of your character, you act scenes in "First-Person-Shooter" mode. What has the education system come to =[.

    btw diablo 3 and every game like it have their own genre and are known as 'action rpg'

  • MadatanMadatan Member UncommonPosts: 182

    Originally posted by Kost

    This site lists at least ten titles that are not MMORPGs.

    One more makes absolutely no difference. If the admins of this site choose to list some titles that are not strictly MMORPGs then so be it. If it honestly bothers you that much you have every right to utilize another site for your MMORPG News. Nobody has a gun to your head, forcing you to view this site.

     

    I wouldn't bet on it, he sounds frantic to say the least. Might actually be a MMORPG extremist group standing behind him with a gun yelling "IF YOU DONT GET THIS NON MMORPG FORUM AWAY FROM MMORPG.COM YOU SHALL DIE".

    Just saying...

  • xm522xm522 Member UncommonPosts: 117

    Originally posted by Aori

    Diablo has always been an RPG, COD has never been considered an RPG. RPG usually involves character development to be considered as such. Most FPS games have limited development which involves weapons only.

    yes, i completely agree, call of duty is no RPG, but by going with the logic of D3 defenders saying it is an mmo, i can still say cod is an mmo. the problem is not diablo not being an RPG, the problem is, it is not an MMORPG. it is an action role playing game, there is no grey area

  • PukeBucketPukeBucket Member Posts: 867

    Originally posted by xm522

    Originally posted by lennpell

    Clearly an idiot, call of duty and every game like it is known as an "F-P-S" it has its own genre and everything, you dont follow and live the life of your character, you act scenes in "First-Person-Shooter" mode. What has the education system come to =[.

    btw diablo 3 and every game like it have their own genre and are known as 'action rpg'

    Yeah, and further classification you can say Diablo-II falls into the rogue-like subgenre with it's hardcore mode. Diablo 3 will probably retain that.

    The classifications!?

    No wonder Pluto is no longer a planet.

    Cuz of you. You know who you are... YOU!

    I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

  • xm522xm522 Member UncommonPosts: 117

    Originally posted by PukeBucket

    Originally posted by xm522


    Originally posted by lennpell

    Clearly an idiot, call of duty and every game like it is known as an "F-P-S" it has its own genre and everything, you dont follow and live the life of your character, you act scenes in "First-Person-Shooter" mode. What has the education system come to =[.

    btw diablo 3 and every game like it have their own genre and are known as 'action rpg'

    Yeah, and further classification you can say Diablo-II falls into the rogue-like subgenre with it's hardcore mode. Diablo 3 will probably retain that.

    The classifications!?

    No wonder Pluto is no longer a planet.

    Cuz of you. You know who you are... YOU!

    i am sorry, but... what? there is no sub genre which can be used to classify a game... they are not the primal nature of the game.

    and as someone who studies physicist (major)... i can tell you that Pluto is not a planet. if we were to clasify pluto as a planet (as cute as he is), we would have to classify many other non-planetary bodies as planets.

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