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  • loreofchaosloreofchaos Member Posts: 316

    Originally posted by Elidien

    To me, its not worth debating the definition of an MMORPG because its a moot point. What the OP does not address is how this effects him or how he has suffered due to the Diablo 3 forum being placed on this website.

    It can be argued that many of the games that are listed here are not MMO's by the OP's attempt to define them. Many of them are not massive at all - some have hundreds of players. So therefore, by rule, those games must be removed as well.

    I doubt the OP has any standing to argue. The Diablo 3 forum is not effecting his ability to post at this site. Further, these forums are a private discussion board and the admins can change the rules at anytime and in anyway they want. To get even more specfic, the quote from the forums themselves does not apply since Diablo 3 has its on forum; therefore the rule about non-MMORPG games does not apply because there is no need to post about a game in the off-topic forums when it has its own forum.

    Most liley just another Blizzard/WOW hater.

    Elidien my standing argument is backed by Blizzard and for the last 12 years I have supported them, further more I didn't even know blizzard had a forum itself, because I haven't checked, I'm not interested in gossip and rumors youtube provides factual evidence, on this matter, maybe you should too before postless useless comment.s

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  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member UncommonPosts: 3,645

    Originally posted by loreofchaos

    Duly note that this is NOT sitting in off topic. They are representing ass if it should be part of a MMORPG list.

    they had a poll, and asked the community if they should make this section, which they did make this section based off the poll....

  • XzenXzen Member UncommonPosts: 2,607

    Originally posted by Distopia

    They left it up to a vote for the users here, it would seem the option for a d3 forum won out.

    This^

     

    @ the OP: We lost out on the vote man. Nothing we can do about it. Bitching about it is just making you look bad.

  • DAS1337DAS1337 Member UncommonPosts: 2,610

    Diablo 3 is not a MMORPG.  Just the same as Call of Duty is not a MMORPG.  Diablo and Call of Duty are similar games, except that Call of Duty has it's PvE in a single player portion of the game.  Now that Blizzard forces you to be online to play, there's not much of difference between the two other than the obvious.

     

    I agree with the OP.  An official Diablo 3 section should not be here.  This is simply to draw people in, appeasing not only the popularity of this site as well as the developers.  It's basically a money move.  These guys already have a RTS sister site, just make a RPG site for single player games.  I will have to say, going against the admins here is folly.  You can be completely right, but they will still probably warn and/or suspend you for saying something against them or this site publically.  Been there, done that.

  • ElidienElidien Member RarePosts: 1,362

    Originally posted by loreofchaos

    Originally posted by Elidien

    To me, its not worth debating the definition of an MMORPG because its a moot point. What the OP does not address is how this effects him or how he has suffered due to the Diablo 3 forum being placed on this website.

    It can be argued that many of the games that are listed here are not MMO's by the OP's attempt to define them. Many of them are not massive at all - some have hundreds of players. So therefore, by rule, those games must be removed as well.

    I doubt the OP has any standing to argue. The Diablo 3 forum is not effecting his ability to post at this site. Further, these forums are a private discussion board and the admins can change the rules at anytime and in anyway they want. To get even more specfic, the quote from the forums themselves does not apply since Diablo 3 has its on forum; therefore the rule about non-MMORPG games does not apply because there is no need to post about a game in the off-topic forums when it has its own forum.

    Most liley just another Blizzard/WOW hater.

    Elidien my standing argument is backed by Blizzard and for the last 12 years I have supported them, further more I didn't even know blizzard had a forum itself, because I haven't checked, I'm not interested in gossip and rumors youtube provides factual evidence, on this matter, maybe you should too before postless useless comment.s

    Factual evidence of what?

    My point is still valid: private forums, private rules......their rules. Don't like it, then leave.

    And way to skip over all the other points that address the many valid holes in your argument.

    Furher, you cannot pick and choose the rules that define an MMORPG. You must either define it broadly or so specfic (as the OP) does that most MMORPG's would not apply. Right now, many games need to be removed from this site simply because they would not meet the definition of massive.

  • WSIMikeWSIMike Member Posts: 5,564

    Originally posted by Senerius

    OK  wow hmmm gee lets see....

     

    Is Diablo 3 a rpg?  YES!  I don't think anyone disputes this.

    Is Diablo 3 massively multiplayer online?    Hmmm Can alot of players play this game at the same time and does it require internet?  The answer is yes. 

     

     

    Just because it doesn't meet what you think of as a MMORPG doesn't mean it doesn't litterally meet the Definition.

     

    You might want to check the meaning before making a statement that is inaccurate just because it isn't what you think it should mean.

     

    I am going based on the literal meaning of the terms not the generally accepted meaning.

    But it doesn't literally meet the definition.

    One of the core and essential elements of a MMORPG is thousands of people sharing the same persistent world at the same time.

    Diablo 3 is not a persistent world. You are not going to log into a server and see thousands of other characters logged in, sharing the same areas at the same time, as you would in an actual MMORPG like, say, WoW.

    So, no... Diablo 3 is most certainly not a MMORPG, by any definition.

    Blizzard themself categorize Diablo 3 as an "Action RPG", while they classify WoW as a "MMORPG". Now, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you don't presume to know how Blizzard's games are classified better than they do.

    It's funny... Prior to WoW making MMOs mainstream, people made and understood the clear distinction between a MMORPG, and a RPG that has optional multiplayer. It's a very obvious difference. Now all of a sudden, anything that has online and any amount of multiplayer is being referred to as a MMORPG. I've seen Unreal Tournament described as a MMORPG FFS.

    As for the OP... they had a "poll" some time ago asking people whether they should add D3 to the game list or not. Personally, I think the poll was pure PR and nothing else. I would bet a month's pay they were adding it to the list regardless. The proverbial ink had barely dried on the poll results and they were already jumping into reconfiguring the site to accomodate Diablo 3 on the list.

    As someone else mentioned - and I noted in my responses to Bill Murphy during the discussion about it back then - it's clearly a move on their part to bring more traffic to the site. Given D3's popularity, more traffic = more advertising $$$$ for them.

    I mean, how many other action RPGs have released over the past few years? Did they poll people to add Dungeon Siege II or III, both in the same category as D3? Nope. Did they even so much as express an interest in adding those games? Nope. How about any of the other action RPGs released in the past couple years? Were they added or even mentioned? Nope. 

    So... the Diablo 3 thing has nothing to do with "adapting to include a new genre of games"... because they could have done that a long time ago. It has everything to do with bringing in more advertising $$$ by having a high-profile name on their game roster. Plain and simple.

    It just really irks me how they pretended to care what the members here thought by putting up that poll, as though the opinions of some people was going to override their desire to bring in more $$$. I highly doubt it.

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  • loreofchaosloreofchaos Member Posts: 316

    Originally posted by Covet78

    The internets just got stupid.

     

    Diablo 3 is not an mmo. Everyone knows this.

    However, the OP shouldn't be getting his panties in a bunch regarding a forum being opened up for it. Who cares if mmorpg.com has a topic for Diablo 3.

    But everyone else.. really? Are you that dumb? Diablo 3 = action rpg. You dont' even need 5 brain cells to understand that.

    " but herb derp... it has multiplayer!! and it will sell a lot!! herb derp"

    So Call of Duty games are mmo's? Battlefield is an mmo? really?

    jeeze. I felt myself get dumber and umbper ech respnsse eye reed boute thte.

     

    First off covet the internets been retarded bcause the general human populace can't put two and two together, second, when a mmorpg site starts listing non mmorpg when its own rules have clearly stated to not do so in anywhere but the off topics, how much more non logical crap you going to let down the hill before you bull dozes your house down? Sometimes for a greater good you just gotta call bullshit out on those who are full of it.

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  • kilunkilun Member UncommonPosts: 738

    Originally posted by loreofchaos

    Originally posted by kilun

    Originally posted by loreofchaos

    What is a mmorpg doing  creating FORUMS and gauging a RPG not a MMORPG, are you or are you not rpg? Are you falsely advertising what you represent? If so what would Crag the original creator of this site over 10 years ago think? Would you spit on his very own creation or is he doing it himself? I once spoke with the man who knew honor and mercy, but what he hell is this? you are not a rpg sight you are mmorpg you are BREACHING your own minor infractions remove this forum at once, you are out of line. Unless given specific reasons that this is a mmorpg instead of rpg which you won't unless you plan to lie to the entire world you have no businessn or reason of having a existing forum create another site meant for rpgs instead of mmorpgs if you want this here. 

     

     

    MMORPG.com is a site to discuss massively multiplayer online roleplay gaming. While users are encouraged and permitted to use our Off-Topic forum to discuss real life and non-MMORPG gaming, threads concerning sensitive subjects such as religion, politics, or ethics may be locked or deleted if determined out of hand by the MMORPG.com moderator staff.

    I need not say anymore these rules was wiritten by mmorpg's own staff.

     Define MMORPG?  I bet you will get about 15 different answers.

    Do you feel that Guild Wars belongs on this forum?

    Why did you not post an uproar about WarRock for example which is a FPS by all intend purposes.

    Why is LoL on the forums list but not HoN?

    Seriously what is the difference between 20 people sitting in some city in an MMO waiting to queue up for an instance to where they will play by themselves and a chat interface doing the same thing?  Explain to me the difference.



    Guild wars just claffified itself as a accepted term of mmorpg when 80 people are standing in front of a entrance at channel 1 with 500 people standing at the damn crafting station, before you think there really IS 15 answers maybe you best just think about what truly is questionable and what isn't, I don't know about a damn thing about warrock it isn't no Diable nor a blizzard product and honestly, I don't have the time of day to be checking out what is and isn't under its classification but diable 3 has clearly been stated by its OWN developers that it is NOT considered a mmorpg, it is a action rpg as it has always been there is no GREY in this son. If you have a problem with how reality places with a grey go to a place where such arguments are valid this is a black and white matter, and its own stamp of approval has not only been known through out the damn world but recongize by wiki as well as its creator for over 10 years now. Mmorpg.com its violating its own rules. Hypocracy is no excuse and questioning a non grey area makes you look utterly the fool.

     How is it non-grey?  To me Guild Wars is as much an MMO as Diablo.  Most games are heavily instanced.  The whole point of nearly every MMO is to either join a Raid or Instance with a maximum amount of people capped or do a Battleground type game with similiar numbers.

    Define how that is massive?  Hell with those numbers, Mount and Blade looks like a winner since it blows those numbers out of the water.  The only sticking point you even have is people sitting around in the same area in a virtual that allows them to move around.  I ask what is the difference in a chat hub?  Can you not interact with other people?  Can you not roleplay your character if you choose to?  What is the actual difference?

    Hypocracy is what you stated by saying I don't have the time to and if it isn't Diablo or another Blizzard product I don't care.  If your going to wage a war about what is or isn't on this site then do it fully or stop trolling.  Go through all the listed games and find out which ones are or aren't post all the ones that aren't MMO's by your definition.

  • NaowutNaowut Member UncommonPosts: 663

    Its weird to me that people think this is up for debate.. Diablo 3 is in no way an mmorpg.

    Id give it co-op RPG at best.

     

    Fully agree with the OP

  • StizzledStizzled Member RarePosts: 1,913

    Originally posted by DAS1337

    Diablo 3 is not a MMORPG.  Just the same as Call of Duty is not a MMORPG.  Diablo and Call of Duty are similar games, except that Call of Duty has it's PvE in a single player portion of the game.  Now that Blizzard forces you to be online to play, there's not much of difference between the two other than the obvious.

     

    I agree with the OP.  An official Diablo 3 section should not be here.  This is simply to draw people in, appeasing not only the popularity of this site as well as the developers.  It's basically a money move.  These guys already have a RTS sister site, just make a RPG site for single player games.  I will have to say, going against the admins here is folly.  You can be completely right, but they will still probably warn and/or suspend you for saying something against them or this site publically.  Been there, done that.

    That's my problem with this branching out they're trying to do. They already have sister sites for RTS, FPS and mobile gaming, why not just make an RPG site? RPGs and MMORPGs are different genres. I just don't understand why they made separate sites for RTS and FPS, and then want to throw RPG listings on here. Why not just change the name and turn this into a general gaming site? That's clearly what they're shooting for.

  • loreofchaosloreofchaos Member Posts: 316

    Originally posted by WSIMike

    Originally posted by Senerius

    OK  wow hmmm gee lets see....

     

    Is Diablo 3 a rpg?  YES!  I don't think anyone disputes this.

    Is Diablo 3 massively multiplayer online?    Hmmm Can alot of players play this game at the same time and does it require internet?  The answer is yes. 

     

     

    Just because it doesn't meet what you think of as a MMORPG doesn't mean it doesn't litterally meet the Definition.

     

    You might want to check the meaning before making a statement that is inaccurate just because it isn't what you think it should mean.

     

    I am going based on the literal meaning of the terms not the generally accepted meaning.

    But it doesn't literally meet the definition.

    One of the core and essential elements of a MMORPG is thousands of people sharing the same persistent world at the same time.

    Diablo 3 is not a persistent world, and you are not going to log into a server and see thousands of other people logged in as you would in, say, WoW.

    So, no... Diablo 3 is most certainly not a MMORPG, by any definition.

    Blizzard themself categorize Diablo 3 as an "Action RPG", while they classify WoW as a "MMORPG". Now, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you don't presume to know how Blizzard's games are classified better than they do.

    It's funny... Prior to WoW making MMOs mainstream, people made and understood the clear distinction between a MMORPG, and a RPG that has optional multiplayer. It's a very obvious difference. Now all of a sudden, anything that has online and any amount of multiplayer is being referred to as a MMORPG. I've seen Unreal Tournament described as a MMORPG FFS.

    As for the OP... they had a "poll" some time ago asking people whether they should add D3 to the game list or not. Personally, I think the poll was pure PR and nothing else. I would bet a month's pay they were adding it to the list regardless. The proverbial ink had barely dried on the poll results and they were already jumping into reconfiguring the site to accomodate Diablo 3 on the list.

    As someone else mentioned - and I noted in my responses to Bill Murphy during the discussion about it back then - it's clearly a move on their part to bring more traffic to the site. Given D3's popularity, more traffic = more advertising $$$$ for them.

    I mean, how many other action RPGs have released over the past few years? Did they poll people to add Dungeon Siege II or III, both in the same category as D3? Nope. Did they even so much as express an interest in adding those games? Nope. How about any of the other action RPGs released in the past couple years? Were they added or even mentioned? Nope. 

    So... the Diablo 3 thing has nothing to do with "adapting to include a new genre of games"... because they could have done that a long time ago. It has everything to do with bringing in more advertising $$$ by having a high-profile name on their game roster. Plain and simple.

    It just really irks me how they pretended to care what the members here thought by putting up that poll, as though the opinions of some people was going to override their desire to bring in more $$$. I highly doubt it.



    The poll is irrelevant and I was unaware of this, but you can not clearly place rules of conduct and then disobey them. Falsley advertising your site as a mmorpg site instead of regular site, can still be placed in the same catagory, as is piracy no matter the means. Espacially with the gift events because its recognize as so. It legally offers the chance for this site to be shut down.

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  • loreofchaosloreofchaos Member Posts: 316

    Originally posted by Unreal024

    Originally posted by DAS1337

    Diablo 3 is not a MMORPG.  Just the same as Call of Duty is not a MMORPG.  Diablo and Call of Duty are similar games, except that Call of Duty has it's PvE in a single player portion of the game.  Now that Blizzard forces you to be online to play, there's not much of difference between the two other than the obvious.

     

    I agree with the OP.  An official Diablo 3 section should not be here.  This is simply to draw people in, appeasing not only the popularity of this site as well as the developers.  It's basically a money move.  These guys already have a RTS sister site, just make a RPG site for single player games.  I will have to say, going against the admins here is folly.  You can be completely right, but they will still probably warn and/or suspend you for saying something against them or this site publically.  Been there, done that.

    That's my problem with this branching out they're trying to do. They already have sister sites for RTS, FPS and mobile gaming, why not just make an RPG site? RPGs and MMORPGs are different genres. I just don't understand why they made separate sites for RTS and FPS, and then want to throw RPG listings on here. Why not just change the name and turn this into a general gaming site? That's clearly what they're shooting for.

    That was my constructive suggestion thats what they need to do instead of breaking their own rules.

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  • Covet78Covet78 Member UncommonPosts: 149

    Originally posted by loreofchaos

    Originally posted by Covet78

    The internets just got stupid.

     

    Diablo 3 is not an mmo. Everyone knows this.

    However, the OP shouldn't be getting his panties in a bunch regarding a forum being opened up for it. Who cares if mmorpg.com has a topic for Diablo 3.

    But everyone else.. really? Are you that dumb? Diablo 3 = action rpg. You dont' even need 5 brain cells to understand that.

    " but herb derp... it has multiplayer!! and it will sell a lot!! herb derp"

    So Call of Duty games are mmo's? Battlefield is an mmo? really?

    jeeze. I felt myself get dumber and umbper ech respnsse eye reed boute thte.

     

    First off covet the internets been retarded bcause the general human populace can't put two and two together, second, when a mmorpg site starts listing non mmorpg when its own rules have clearly stated to not do so in anywhere but the off topics, how much more non logical crap you going to let down the hill before you bull dozes your house down? Sometimes for a greater good you just gotta call bullshit out on those who are full of it.

    Hey I got no problem with you wanting to make a point. But after making it with your original post, how can you continue it? The point has been made. You can't be anal about it now. Just gotta let it drop imo. It's not your site. You don't pay for it. I have no idea who owns it. But whoever does can start putting pony cartoons on it and tell everyone else they are not alowed.

     

    Yes.. they can open up a diablo 3 forum and tell other people not to. They have every right. Nothing anyone can do about it. Accept it. Honestly, you are just stressing out over probably one of the most trivial things ever.

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182

    Originally posted by loreofchaos

    Originally posted by Unreal024


    Originally posted by DAS1337

    Diablo 3 is not a MMORPG.  Just the same as Call of Duty is not a MMORPG.  Diablo and Call of Duty are similar games, except that Call of Duty has it's PvE in a single player portion of the game.  Now that Blizzard forces you to be online to play, there's not much of difference between the two other than the obvious.

     

    I agree with the OP.  An official Diablo 3 section should not be here.  This is simply to draw people in, appeasing not only the popularity of this site as well as the developers.  It's basically a money move.  These guys already have a RTS sister site, just make a RPG site for single player games.  I will have to say, going against the admins here is folly.  You can be completely right, but they will still probably warn and/or suspend you for saying something against them or this site publically.  Been there, done that.

    That's my problem with this branching out they're trying to do. They already have sister sites for RTS, FPS and mobile gaming, why not just make an RPG site? RPGs and MMORPGs are different genres. I just don't understand why they made separate sites for RTS and FPS, and then want to throw RPG listings on here. Why not just change the name and turn this into a general gaming site? That's clearly what they're shooting for.

    That was my constructive suggestion thats what they need to do instead of breaking their own rules.

      Just in case you missed it the first time ""They left it up to a vote for the users here, it would seem the option for a d3 forum won out.""


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  • StizzledStizzled Member RarePosts: 1,913

    Originally posted by WSIMike

    But it doesn't literally meet the definition.

    One of the core and essential elements of a MMORPG is thousands of people sharing the same persistent world at the same time.

    Diablo 3 is not a persistent world. You are not going to log into a server and see thousands of other characters logged in, sharing the same areas at the same time, as you would in an actual MMORPG like, say, WoW.

    So, no... Diablo 3 is most certainly not a MMORPG, by any definition.

    Blizzard themself categorize Diablo 3 as an "Action RPG", while they classify WoW as a "MMORPG". Now, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you don't presume to know how Blizzard's games are classified better than they do.

    It's funny... Prior to WoW making MMOs mainstream, people made and understood the clear distinction between a MMORPG, and a RPG that has optional multiplayer. It's a very obvious difference. Now all of a sudden, anything that has online and any amount of multiplayer is being referred to as a MMORPG. I've seen Unreal Tournament described as a MMORPG FFS.

    As for the OP... they had a "poll" some time ago asking people whether they should add D3 to the game list or not. Personally, I think the poll was pure PR and nothing else. I would bet a month's pay they were adding it to the list regardless. The proverbial ink had barely dried on the poll results and they were already jumping into reconfiguring the site to accomodate Diablo 3 on the list.

    As someone else mentioned - and I noted in my responses to Bill Murphy during the discussion about it back then - it's clearly a move on their part to bring more traffic to the site. Given D3's popularity, more traffic = more advertising $$$$ for them.

    I mean, how many other action RPGs have released over the past few years? Did they poll people to add Dungeon Siege II or III, both in the same category as D3? Nope. Did they even so much as express an interest in adding those games? Nope. How about any of the other action RPGs released in the past couple years? Were they added or even mentioned? Nope. 

    So... the Diablo 3 thing has nothing to do with "adapting to include a new genre of games"... because they could have done that a long time ago. It has everything to do with bringing in more advertising $$$ by having a high-profile name on their game roster. Plain and simple.

    It just really irks me how they pretended to care what the members here thought by putting up that poll, as though the opinions of some people was going to override their desire to bring in more $$$. I highly doubt it.

    Good post, agree with everything said. If it's about "adapting to include a new genre of games" then why have sister sites for other genres? Hell, why isn't Path of Exile, Grim Dawn or Torchlight 2 listed?

  • loreofchaosloreofchaos Member Posts: 316

    Originally posted by kilun

    Originally posted by loreofchaos


    Originally posted by kilun


    Originally posted by loreofchaos

    What is a mmorpg doing  creating FORUMS and gauging a RPG not a MMORPG, are you or are you not rpg? Are you falsely advertising what you represent? If so what would Crag the original creator of this site over 10 years ago think? Would you spit on his very own creation or is he doing it himself? I once spoke with the man who knew honor and mercy, but what he hell is this? you are not a rpg sight you are mmorpg you are BREACHING your own minor infractions remove this forum at once, you are out of line. Unless given specific reasons that this is a mmorpg instead of rpg which you won't unless you plan to lie to the entire world you have no businessn or reason of having a existing forum create another site meant for rpgs instead of mmorpgs if you want this here. 

     

     

    MMORPG.com is a site to discuss massively multiplayer online roleplay gaming. While users are encouraged and permitted to use our Off-Topic forum to discuss real life and non-MMORPG gaming, threads concerning sensitive subjects such as religion, politics, or ethics may be locked or deleted if determined out of hand by the MMORPG.com moderator staff.

    I need not say anymore these rules was wiritten by mmorpg's own staff.

     Define MMORPG?  I bet you will get about 15 different answers.

    Do you feel that Guild Wars belongs on this forum?

    Why did you not post an uproar about WarRock for example which is a FPS by all intend purposes.

    Why is LoL on the forums list but not HoN?

    Seriously what is the difference between 20 people sitting in some city in an MMO waiting to queue up for an instance to where they will play by themselves and a chat interface doing the same thing?  Explain to me the difference.



    Guild wars just claffified itself as a accepted term of mmorpg when 80 people are standing in front of a entrance at channel 1 with 500 people standing at the damn crafting station, before you think there really IS 15 answers maybe you best just think about what truly is questionable and what isn't, I don't know about a damn thing about warrock it isn't no Diable nor a blizzard product and honestly, I don't have the time of day to be checking out what is and isn't under its classification but diable 3 has clearly been stated by its OWN developers that it is NOT considered a mmorpg, it is a action rpg as it has always been there is no GREY in this son. If you have a problem with how reality places with a grey go to a place where such arguments are valid this is a black and white matter, and its own stamp of approval has not only been known through out the damn world but recongize by wiki as well as its creator for over 10 years now. Mmorpg.com its violating its own rules. Hypocracy is no excuse and questioning a non grey area makes you look utterly the fool.

     How is it non-grey?  To me Guild Wars is as much an MMO as Diablo.  Most games are heavily instanced.  The whole point of nearly every MMO is to either join a Raid or Instance with a maximum amount of people capped or do a Battleground type game with similiar numbers.

    Define how that is massive?  Hell with those numbers, Mount and Blade looks like a winner since it blows those numbers out of the water.  The only sticking point you even have is people sitting around in the same area in a virtual that allows them to move around.  I ask what is the difference in a chat hub?  Can you not interact with other people?  Can you not roleplay your character if you choose to?  What is the actual difference?

    Hypocracy is what you stated by saying I don't have the time to and if it isn't Diablo or another Blizzard product I don't care.  If your going to wage a war about what is or isn't on this site then do it fully or stop trolling.  Go through all the listed games and find out which ones are or aren't post all the ones that aren't MMO's by your definition.

    Here's a question have you read the links? are you GOING to argue with the creators of the game which they catagorize as action rpg? you want to question logic go ahead but if your questioning logic its because you lack it.

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  • ElidienElidien Member RarePosts: 1,362

    Originally posted by loreofchaos

    Originally posted by WSIMike


    Originally posted by Senerius

    OK  wow hmmm gee lets see....

     

    Is Diablo 3 a rpg?  YES!  I don't think anyone disputes this.

    Is Diablo 3 massively multiplayer online?    Hmmm Can alot of players play this game at the same time and does it require internet?  The answer is yes. 

     

     

    Just because it doesn't meet what you think of as a MMORPG doesn't mean it doesn't litterally meet the Definition.

     

    You might want to check the meaning before making a statement that is inaccurate just because it isn't what you think it should mean.

     

    I am going based on the literal meaning of the terms not the generally accepted meaning.

    But it doesn't literally meet the definition.

    One of the core and essential elements of a MMORPG is thousands of people sharing the same persistent world at the same time.

    Diablo 3 is not a persistent world, and you are not going to log into a server and see thousands of other people logged in as you would in, say, WoW.

    So, no... Diablo 3 is most certainly not a MMORPG, by any definition.

    Blizzard themself categorize Diablo 3 as an "Action RPG", while they classify WoW as a "MMORPG". Now, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you don't presume to know how Blizzard's games are classified better than they do.

    It's funny... Prior to WoW making MMOs mainstream, people made and understood the clear distinction between a MMORPG, and a RPG that has optional multiplayer. It's a very obvious difference. Now all of a sudden, anything that has online and any amount of multiplayer is being referred to as a MMORPG. I've seen Unreal Tournament described as a MMORPG FFS.

    As for the OP... they had a "poll" some time ago asking people whether they should add D3 to the game list or not. Personally, I think the poll was pure PR and nothing else. I would bet a month's pay they were adding it to the list regardless. The proverbial ink had barely dried on the poll results and they were already jumping into reconfiguring the site to accomodate Diablo 3 on the list.

    As someone else mentioned - and I noted in my responses to Bill Murphy during the discussion about it back then - it's clearly a move on their part to bring more traffic to the site. Given D3's popularity, more traffic = more advertising $$$$ for them.

    I mean, how many other action RPGs have released over the past few years? Did they poll people to add Dungeon Siege II or III, both in the same category as D3? Nope. Did they even so much as express an interest in adding those games? Nope. How about any of the other action RPGs released in the past couple years? Were they added or even mentioned? Nope. 

    So... the Diablo 3 thing has nothing to do with "adapting to include a new genre of games"... because they could have done that a long time ago. It has everything to do with bringing in more advertising $$$ by having a high-profile name on their game roster. Plain and simple.

    It just really irks me how they pretended to care what the members here thought by putting up that poll, as though the opinions of some people was going to override their desire to bring in more $$$. I highly doubt it.



    The poll is irrelevant and I was unaware of this, but you can not clearly place rules of conduct and then disobey them. Falsley advertising your site as a mmorpg site instead of regular site, can still be placed in the same catagory, as is piracy no matter the means. Espacially with the gift events because its recognize as so. It legally offers the chance for this site to be shut down.

    Okay now you are reaching. First. the poll is very relevant. The users of this site voted to include Diablo 3. So are you saying that a democratic process of asking users to choose is pointless? Sorry if you and others were in the minority but majority rules folks.

    Second, this site is not falsely advertising because the majority of games are still MMORPG's. This is one game that is very similar, in many ways, to MMO's and anyone with half a brain can understand why one would include it here. Its simple - those who play MMO's are more likely to play Diablo 3 and players of Diablo 3 are more likely to play MMO's. Its like arguing a shooter that offers 1st and 3rd person should not be inluced on an FPS site.

    Third, there is no legal ramifications to close this site down. Its private.....they are not violating any rules, breaking any laws, etc... What point of law would you claim they are breaking? That they are trying to expand their user base? Yeah, no valid argument here. You would be laughed out of court.

    News flash: Its their site...they can break and re-write their own rules. They can shut the site down tomorrow and there is nothing anyone can do about it. They can also list any game they want and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with listing a game that, in spirit, is very similar to an MMO.

  • WSIMikeWSIMike Member Posts: 5,564

    Originally posted by kilun

     

    Hypocracy is what you stated by saying I don't have the time to and if it isn't Diablo or another Blizzard product I don't care.  If your going to wage a war about what is or isn't on this site then do it fully or stop trolling.  Go through all the listed games and find out which ones are or aren't post all the ones that aren't MMO's by your definition.

    Diablo 3 is not a MMORPG. Period.

    Your definition of "what MMORPGs are all about" is your own personal opinion of what they're all about, not an objective definition.

    But hey... let's see what the makers of the most popular MMORPG, WoW as well as the game in question, Diablo 3, classify their games as...

    Click Here

    Look at Diablo 3's entry on the top of the page... Notice its category? "Action-RPG".

    Now look at World of Warcraft... What does that one say? "MMORPG".

    Now, unless you believe you know what Blizzard's games are classified as better than they do, it seems to me that they make a very clear distinction here between one genre and the other.

    I realize it's easy to say "but but but... they have online! And there's other players! And you join instances and kill stuff! It's exactly the same thing!!".. however, it's not. There are substantial differences between what makes a MMORPG a MMORPG, and what makes an Action-RPG an Action-RPG. Ignoring or omitting those differences doesn't eliminate them from the equation.

    Diablo 3 is not a MMORPG. Period. End of discussion.

    Even MMORPG.com acknowledged this themselves by even making it a point to ask about including it. If it was a MMORPG, by definition, then it would have been added just like every other MMORPG on the list is added. But I know.. that's another annoying detail that some around here would rather ignore, because for some reason they're determined to call Diablo 3 something it isn't.

     

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  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member UncommonPosts: 3,645

    Hey OP, as multiple people have told ya, this has been discussed ad naseum.  They aren't going to change their minds after a huge thread on this exact topic was already made...  Just sayin man, maybe posting in the origional topic would really help more than making a redundant topic.

  • loreofchaosloreofchaos Member Posts: 316

    Originally posted by Distopia

    Originally posted by loreofchaos


    Originally posted by Unreal024


    Originally posted by DAS1337

    Diablo 3 is not a MMORPG.  Just the same as Call of Duty is not a MMORPG.  Diablo and Call of Duty are similar games, except that Call of Duty has it's PvE in a single player portion of the game.  Now that Blizzard forces you to be online to play, there's not much of difference between the two other than the obvious.

     

    I agree with the OP.  An official Diablo 3 section should not be here.  This is simply to draw people in, appeasing not only the popularity of this site as well as the developers.  It's basically a money move.  These guys already have a RTS sister site, just make a RPG site for single player games.  I will have to say, going against the admins here is folly.  You can be completely right, but they will still probably warn and/or suspend you for saying something against them or this site publically.  Been there, done that.

    That's my problem with this branching out they're trying to do. They already have sister sites for RTS, FPS and mobile gaming, why not just make an RPG site? RPGs and MMORPGs are different genres. I just don't understand why they made separate sites for RTS and FPS, and then want to throw RPG listings on here. Why not just change the name and turn this into a general gaming site? That's clearly what they're shooting for.

    That was my constructive suggestion thats what they need to do instead of breaking their own rules.

      Just in case you missed it the first time ""They left it up to a vote for the users here, it would seem the option for a d3 forum won out.""




    Just in case you missed the "Irrelevant and no I haven't heard it, they're breaching their own code of conduct"

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  • MikeBMikeB MMORPG.com Community ManagerAdministrator RarePosts: 6,437

    Originally posted by loreofchaos

    What is a mmorpg doing  creating FORUMS and gauging a RPG not a MMORPG, are you or are you not rpg? Are you falsely advertising what you represent? If so what would Crag the original creator of this site over 10 years ago think? Would you spit on his very own creation or is he doing it himself? I once spoke with the man who knew honor and mercy, but what he hell is this? you are not a rpg sight you are mmorpg you are BREACHING your own minor infractions remove this forum at once, you are out of line. Unless given specific reasons that this is a mmorpg instead of rpg which you won't unless you plan to lie to the entire world you have no businessn or reason of having a existing forum create another site meant for rpgs instead of mmorpgs if you want this here. 

     

     

    MMORPG.com is a site to discuss massively multiplayer online roleplay gaming. While users are encouraged and permitted to use our Off-Topic forum to discuss real life and non-MMORPG gaming, threads concerning sensitive subjects such as religion, politics, or ethics may be locked or deleted if determined out of hand by the MMORPG.com moderator staff.

    I need not say anymore these rules was wiritten by mmorpg's own staff.

    Hi,

    So we were on the fence about adding this game to the list and so what we did is we got community input involved by allowing users to vote on whether or not they wanted to see this game listed on MMORPG.com. I believe we let the poll run for something like a month, heck, it may even still be enabled. The tally as it currently stands is 59% for 41% against. That's a pretty clear margin in favor and so we went ahead and listened to what you guys said with your votes and added the game.

    We appreciate your feedback and concerns but we ultimately left this decision up to you guys, the community, and you spoke loudly and clearly that you wanted Diablo III here at the site. Obviously, the 41% who voted against the decision are going to be unhappy with the decision, but I would imagine they were happy they had a chance to make their voice heard instead of us just adding the game or something like that.

    I'll also add, for those that are concerned, that we are not planning to cover this game with the same priority as any MMOs. We just wanted to give you guys a space to discuss the game and cover some of the major news surrounding the game. We're not going to update you on every Diablo III patch or update, etc.

    Thanks.

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    Community Manager
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  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872

    Originally posted by Unreal024

    Originally posted by DAS1337

    Diablo 3 is not a MMORPG.  Just the same as Call of Duty is not a MMORPG.  Diablo and Call of Duty are similar games, except that Call of Duty has it's PvE in a single player portion of the game.  Now that Blizzard forces you to be online to play, there's not much of difference between the two other than the obvious.

     

    I agree with the OP.  An official Diablo 3 section should not be here.  This is simply to draw people in, appeasing not only the popularity of this site as well as the developers.  It's basically a money move.  These guys already have a RTS sister site, just make a RPG site for single player games.  I will have to say, going against the admins here is folly.  You can be completely right, but they will still probably warn and/or suspend you for saying something against them or this site publically.  Been there, done that.

    That's my problem with this branching out they're trying to do. They already have sister sites for RTS, FPS and mobile gaming, why not just make an RPG site? RPGs and MMORPGs are different genres. I just don't understand why they made separate sites for RTS and FPS, and then want to throw RPG listings on here. Why not just change the name and turn this into a general gaming site? That's clearly what they're shooting for.

    ...and still they shove that stuff allover us on the mainpage of mmorpg.com.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182

    Originally posted by Unreal024

    Originally posted by WSIMike



     

    Good post, agree with everything said. If it's about "adapting to include a new genre of games" then why have sister sites for other genres? Hell, why isn't Path of Exile, Grim Dawn or Torchlight 2 listed?

    D3 is not an MMO, now that that is out of the way. They will be covering TL2 they will be covering Skyrim, they will be covering many other "RPGS", they're also changing the game list to be filterable or something, all of this was covered in a few different articles here, a month or so back.

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  • loreofchaosloreofchaos Member Posts: 316
    Originally posted by WSIMike


    Originally posted by kilun


     

    Hypocracy is what you stated by saying I don't have the time to and if it isn't Diablo or another Blizzard product I don't care.  If your going to wage a war about what is or isn't on this site then do it fully or stop trolling.  Go through all the listed games and find out which ones are or aren't post all the ones that aren't MMO's by your definition.

    Diablo 3 is not a MMORPG. Period.

    Your definition of "what MMORPGs are all about" is your own personal opinion of what they're all about, not an objective definition.

    But hey... let's see what the makers of the most popular MMORPG, WoW as well as the game in question, Diablo 3, classify their games as...

    Click Here

    Look at Diablo 3's entry on the top of the page... Notice its category? "Action-RPG".

    Now look at World of Warcraft... What does that one say? "MMORPG".

    Now, unless you believe you know what Blizzard's games are classified as better than they do, it seems to me that they make a very clear distinction here between one genre and the other.

    I realize it's easy to say "but but but... they have online! And there's other players! And you join instances and kill stuff! It's exactly the same thing!!".. however, it's not. There are substantial differences between what makes a MMORPG a MMORPG, and what makes an Action-RPG an Action-RPG. Ignoring or omitting those differences doesn't eliminate them from the equation.

    Diablo 3 is not a MMORPG. Period. End of discussion.

    Even MMORPG.com acknowledged this themselves by even making it a point to ask about including it. If it was a MMORPG, by definition, then it would have been added just like every other MMORPG on the list is added. But I know.. that's another annoying detail that some around here would rather ignore, because for some reason they're determined to call Diablo 3 something it isn't.

     

     

    Funny I put that link on here as well as wiki no one seems to be reading it.

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  • kilunkilun Member UncommonPosts: 738

    Originally posted by loreofchaos

    Originally posted by WSIMike

    Originally posted by Senerius

    OK  wow hmmm gee lets see....

     

    Is Diablo 3 a rpg?  YES!  I don't think anyone disputes this.

    Is Diablo 3 massively multiplayer online?    Hmmm Can alot of players play this game at the same time and does it require internet?  The answer is yes. 

     

     

    Just because it doesn't meet what you think of as a MMORPG doesn't mean it doesn't litterally meet the Definition.

     

    You might want to check the meaning before making a statement that is inaccurate just because it isn't what you think it should mean.

     

    I am going based on the literal meaning of the terms not the generally accepted meaning.

    But it doesn't literally meet the definition.

    One of the core and essential elements of a MMORPG is thousands of people sharing the same persistent world at the same time.

    Diablo 3 is not a persistent world, and you are not going to log into a server and see thousands of other people logged in as you would in, say, WoW.

    So, no... Diablo 3 is most certainly not a MMORPG, by any definition.

    Blizzard themself categorize Diablo 3 as an "Action RPG", while they classify WoW as a "MMORPG". Now, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you don't presume to know how Blizzard's games are classified better than they do.

    It's funny... Prior to WoW making MMOs mainstream, people made and understood the clear distinction between a MMORPG, and a RPG that has optional multiplayer. It's a very obvious difference. Now all of a sudden, anything that has online and any amount of multiplayer is being referred to as a MMORPG. I've seen Unreal Tournament described as a MMORPG FFS.

    As for the OP... they had a "poll" some time ago asking people whether they should add D3 to the game list or not. Personally, I think the poll was pure PR and nothing else. I would bet a month's pay they were adding it to the list regardless. The proverbial ink had barely dried on the poll results and they were already jumping into reconfiguring the site to accomodate Diablo 3 on the list.

    As someone else mentioned - and I noted in my responses to Bill Murphy during the discussion about it back then - it's clearly a move on their part to bring more traffic to the site. Given D3's popularity, more traffic = more advertising $$$$ for them.

    I mean, how many other action RPGs have released over the past few years? Did they poll people to add Dungeon Siege II or III, both in the same category as D3? Nope. Did they even so much as express an interest in adding those games? Nope. How about any of the other action RPGs released in the past couple years? Were they added or even mentioned? Nope. 

    So... the Diablo 3 thing has nothing to do with "adapting to include a new genre of games"... because they could have done that a long time ago. It has everything to do with bringing in more advertising $$$ by having a high-profile name on their game roster. Plain and simple.

    It just really irks me how they pretended to care what the members here thought by putting up that poll, as though the opinions of some people was going to override their desire to bring in more $$$. I highly doubt it.



    The poll is irrelevant and I was unaware of this, but you can not clearly place rules of conduct and then disobey them. Falsley advertising your site as a mmorpg site instead of regular site, can still be placed in the same catagory, as is piracy no matter the means. Espacially with the gift events because its recognize as so. It legally offers the chance for this site to be shut down.

     What are you talking about? First line of the rules and conduct state: "MMORPG.COM (a Web site operated wholly by Cyber Creations Inc.) provides this site as a resource for the MMORPG community"

    About us states: MMORPG.com strives to bring you the best news, features and community in the MMORPG genre. If you are looking to contact MMORPG.com for any reason, you should be able to find out the appropriate person below.

    So what part is false advertising? Can you not find information about MMO's on this site?  No where do I see a bullet that stated X,Y,Z will be are forums.  They have an Offtopic forum, they have a tech forum.

    For example I sub to PC Gamer, they have articles about PC games.  But wait, they had an article about phone games for a while in each issue, FALSE ADVERTIISEMENT!  Seriously go try to win that one in a court of law as false advertisement, good luck.

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