OMG the last couple of pages have had me cracking up and then this one finished it off. My sides hurt now. Pure Entertainment..
On topic. I am glad there is another satisfied person who had the priveledge of playing the game. With the amount of hate for the game on these forums I am still waiting to read a negative review from those that are in the business of writing reviews and experiences. Still waiting.........
OMG the last couple of pages have had me cracking up and then this one finished it off. My sides hurt now. Pure Entertainment..
On topic. I am glad there is another satisfied person who had the priveledge of playing the game. With the amount of hate for the game on these forums I am still waiting to read a negative review from those that are in the business of writing reviews and experiences. Still waiting.........
Reviews and Awards do not matter if they did WAR would be a wild success...
OMG the last couple of pages have had me cracking up and then this one finished it off. My sides hurt now. Pure Entertainment..
On topic. I am glad there is another satisfied person who had the priveledge of playing the game. With the amount of hate for the game on these forums I am still waiting to read a negative review from those that are in the business of writing reviews and experiences. Still waiting.........
Reviews and Awards do not matter if they did WAR would be a wild success...
I didn't say awards at all, but I do agree. As to reviews, I was only saying with the amount of hate, doubt, and negativity some have I would take the people who actually get a chance to play the game over those that haven't. And in regards to those writing their opinions after their hands on, I haven't seen one that was a complaint (unless you mention the one that was written a couple weeks ago by a couple of bloggers who had their facts ass backwards and wrote negativity based on lack of WvWvW PvP at pax when there never was going to be to begin with.) All that being said, sure feel free to harbor dislike of the game and accuse some of us of being rabid fans. All I know is what I see and read and GW2 has been getting a lot of positive things said about it from outside sources who have tried it out. Sure reviews may not meen squat to anyone that doesn't like what the game has to offer, but to me, it is another satisefied customer. You can now carry on with your doubts.
It's not that, it's using Justing Bieber to try and "prove" a point in an mmorpg discussion about GW2 PVP is just sad
Hating WoW on this site is like hating Justin Bieber, its the hip thing to do.
You know what, I don't hat WoW, any more than I hate Jersey Shore. I just don't like them and would rather watch/play something else.
What annoys me is when someone tries to make something I WOULD like to play/watch, and folks come by to tell me how it's destined to fail and/or can't be very good because it doesn't try hard enough to emulate Jersey Shore/WoW. Because if that was what I wanted to play, or watch, i'd already be doing it!
Also, your goalposts seem to be shifting a bit. You said the emphasis on story is why you liked SWOTR, but clearly it isn't merely that, but that it's not fantasy. If you were more clear in your responses and rationale, we wouldn't have to waste time telling you useless, non-applicable factoids.
Dude and you don't think that ANet knows this too?
Just wait until they reveal that the final class is The Situation.
Hell yeah, rollin one on a RP server. Gonna run into walls and drink heavily.
OMG the last couple of pages have had me cracking up and then this one finished it off. My sides hurt now. Pure Entertainment..
On topic. I am glad there is another satisfied person who had the priveledge of playing the game. With the amount of hate for the game on these forums I am still waiting to read a negative review from those that are in the business of writing reviews and experiences. Still waiting.........
Reviews and Awards do not matter if they did WAR would be a wild success...
I didn't say awards at all, but I do agree. As to reviews, I was only saying with the amount of hate, doubt, and negativity some have I would take the people who actually get a chance to play the game over those that haven't. And in regards to those writing their opinions after their hands on, I haven't seen one that was a complaint (unless you mention the one that was written a couple weeks ago by a couple of bloggers who had their facts ass backwards and wrote negativity based on lack of WvWvW PvP at pax when there never was going to be to begin with.) All that being said, sure feel free to harbor dislike of the game and accuse some of us of being rabid fans. All I know is what I see and read and GW2 has been getting a lot of positive things said about it from outside sources who have tried it out. Sure reviews may not meen squat to anyone that doesn't like what the game has to offer, but to me, it is another satisefied customer. You can now carry on with your doubts.
Lol, of course positive reviews are always right while negetive ones are always wrong?
I told the TOR fanboys this on their website, negative is negative regardless of wheather or not you agree with it.
Lol, of course positive reviews are always right while negetive ones are always wrong?
I told the TOR fanboys this on their website, negative is negative regardless of wheather or not you agree with it.
Once again I didn't say anything about what you are talking about. There was no mention of right or wrong. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I just find it funny to compare a game to war as you did earleir when everything the guys are doing is working as they are teling us it would. War offered information on things they either didn't deliver, or made sound better than it actually was whereas Anet is doing it by only revealing what is already implemented so comparing the two is not a very good way to go about making a point.
I would actually enjoy and value if, say TTH wrote that they didn't enjoy the demo and listed reasons why they felt that way. Anyone can say they don't like the game and if they decide to put it on this site, then they should accept the fact that if they hold these opinions only for the sake of hating without actually giving a good reason why then some are going to try to either enlighten them on something they may have misunderstood, or call them a troll for failing to give feedback that can be discussed. At this point I feel information is information and I don't care if someone writes negativity about the game since I am going to draw my own conclusions ala some peoples take on lack of raiding. I just find it funny that some go out of their way to knock the game when anyone takes the time to write their thoughts on their experience with the limited time they get to put hands on. And I find it funnier that even though peoples opinions are utter dislike for reasons of their own, I haven't seen much negativety written about the game from those that have actually tested it. Their opnion isn't right or wrong to me because it is all information and I enjoy reading what others experienced.
Lol, of course positive reviews are always right while negetive ones are always wrong?
I told the TOR fanboys this on their website, negative is negative regardless of wheather or not you agree with it.
Once again I didn't say anything about what you are talking about. There was no mention of right or wrong. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I just find it funny to compare a game to war as you did earleir when everything the guys are doing is working as they are teling us it would. War offered information on things they either didn't deliver, or made sound better than it actually was whereas Anet is doing it by only revealing what is already implemented so comparing the two is not a very good way to go about making a point.
I would actually enjoy and value if, say TTH wrote that they didn't enjoy the demo and listed reasons why they felt that way. Anyone can say they don't like the game and if they decide to put it on this site, then they should accept the fact that if they hold these opinions only for the sake of hating without actually giving a good reason why then some are going to try to either enlighten them on something they may have misunderstood, or call them a troll for failing to give feedback that can be discussed. At this point I feel information is information and I don't care if someone writes negativity about the game since I am going to draw my own conclusions ala some peoples take on lack of raiding. I just find it funny that some go out of their way to knock the game when anyone takes the time to write their thoughts on their experience with the limited time they get to put hands on. And I find it funnier that even though peoples opinions are utter dislike for reasons of their own, I haven't seen much negativety written about the game from those that have actually tested it. Their opnion isn't right or wrong to me because it is all information and I enjoy reading what others experienced.
OMG the last couple of pages have had me cracking up and then this one finished it off. My sides hurt now. Pure Entertainment..
On topic. I am glad there is another satisfied person who had the priveledge of playing the game. With the amount of hate for the game on these forums I am still waiting to read a negative review from those that are in the business of writing reviews and experiences. Still waiting.........
Hate for GW2? On here? I was under the impression everyone thought this was the second coming.
Hands-down GW2 PvP has been the high point of my PAX experience this year, and I have absolutely no doubts that GW2 is going to be a huge, huge game. Guild Wars 2 is the breath of fresh air that the MMO industry has sorely needed, and worthy of every bit of hype it receives.
Where did we hear that before?
WAR,TOR,STO
the list goes on.
If people want to remain blind.... then there is nothing anyone not even god can do about that...
After my hands on experience at Gamescom, I just know how good and gamechanging this game will be....
i should be able to argue this point too when i go eurogamer in london
All three days I played while at PAX Prime. All three days all i could think of was "this game is going to be awesome".
I didn't feel that way last year playing Rifts. I didn't feel that way about WAR while beta testing it (and I really wanted that game to succeed). Only in the first year of playing WoW did I feel that.
To those who think this game is boring, not for them, overhyped, yadda yadda; that's cool, I hope you find what you are looking for, whatever that may be.
I find raiding to be lazy content, and I am, frankly, very pleased that Guild Wars 2 will not be having it. I am also quite pleased that raiders will be less likely to play this game. I find I rarely like them.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
You can certainly see where all the WoW players are going.... certainly not GW2.
Those also show that even with all of GW2's "hype", that there is very little change per month in people checking the game out.
Fact is Starwars is just a bigger IP and have gathered alot of fans of the IP aswell as players wanting a decent themepark sci-fi world, and SWTOR is closer to release. All reasons to check a game out, and that proves what ?
GW2 is on the move up in hype and attention, as main stream game source is just now discovering that something is going on here. Each week now brings news of new media people "seeing the light" and praising GW2. News are released steady when things is done, and we are nowhere near a release fever, targetting main stream. So basicly the ones hyped for GW2 are either old GW1 fans or harcore out off game MMO fans, seeing its value
Fine if you don't think GW2 is going to be huge, but most of us see a writing on the wall, and interpret it different.
Ya GW2 is going to be "huge"........ not...... these statistics say otherwise.
These statistics actually don't say anything like that, but that's ok, very few people really understand how to read statistics properly. And thank god for that, means I get to keep my job
Ya GW2 is going to be "huge"........ not...... these statistics say otherwise.
..yada yada..
You can certainly see where all the WoW players are going.... certainly not GW2.
Those also show that even with all of GW2's "hype", that there is very little change per month in people checking the game out.
Ever heard of RSS feeds? People dont necessarily check the website everyday in hope for news. Besides, I'm sure people already know that they WILL be able to read the news about GW2 from anywhere else when they pop up, like here, and state their comments on those news while they cant in GW2 website.
That AND they have no forums in which we could discuss while TOR has them. See my point?
You can certainly see where all the WoW players are going.... certainly not GW2.
Those also show that even with all of GW2's "hype", that there is very little change per month in people checking the game out.
Wow, pretty impressive stats. Makes me realize that mmorpg.com kind of functions like a guildwars 2 forum colony (due to the lack of official forums) which would explain the relatively high amount of GW2 fans here (and subsequent high hype rating) compared to Swtor which does cater for fans with forums.
You can certainly see where all the WoW players are going.... certainly not GW2.
Those also show that even with all of GW2's "hype", that there is very little change per month in people checking the game out.
It's Star Wars, of course it's going to have huge hype.
swtor.com already accepting closed beta apps and pre-orders, GW2 is not.
swtor has an official forums, which drives traffic to the site, GW2 does not.
swtor is closer to release.
GW2 is still flying under the radar for many people, it's hard for gamers to not know about swtor.
The comparison doesn't really show you much of anything.
I'll agree that SWTOR is likely to have a larger launch day population, it's Star Wars and they've marketed the game and the pre-orders just about perfectly.
How it plays will be a big factor. It needs to live up to the hype and find the balance of being friendly to Star Wars fans and other gamers who don't typically play MMOs, while not being too dumbed down for MMO vets. Depending on monthly fees moving forward, it will have to be very good not to suffer the typical MMO bleed.
Being Buy to Play gives GW2 some advantages. Not only does the lack of a monthly fee make it easier to keep players who bought it playing it, but they don't lose monthly revenue from people who come to the game after launch. When a player buys SWTOR four months after launch, EA has missed out on $45 of subscription fees vs. the person who was an early adopter and kept playing. When ever GW2 sells a copy, it's just as good for total revenue, no matter when it was purchased.
This is important if GW2 releases with in a couple months of SWTOR. If some potential GW2 players are still enthralled with SWTOR when GW2 launches, it doesn't matter if those players put off their purchase of GW2 for a month or two. A subscription based SWTOR competitor would have much more to worry about if they launched around the same time.
As far as what these two games will do to the MMO market, I think it will be a one-two punch vs. existing games in the space. SWTOR because of it's raw drawing power and GW2 because of it's innovation. Future games might learn a couple tricks from SWTOR, but they will never be Star Wars. GW2 has much more potential to move the entire genre forward by breaking the stagnant mold and bringing players a much more dynamic and immersive game.
I've no idea why people are complaining about the so-called "lack" of raiding in GW2.
No 1. u have 8 maps that branch out in 3 directions depending on the choices made. 4 maps in total for 1 dungeon. 8*4 = 32 dungeon maps.
No 2. dynamic events in these dungeons + mobs dont just spawn in one place whenever u enter a dungeon.
No 4. there are stories for the dungeons that are full of GW2 lore and unfold differently depending on the path ur team chooses to take in the dungeon.
No 3. u won't have to grind it out to get ur perfect gear as u can collect tokens and choose a piece of armor/weapon u want.
What this equotes to is less gear grind and more fun, variety and excitement.
You can certainly see where all the WoW players are going.... certainly not GW2.
Those also show that even with all of GW2's "hype", that there is very little change per month in people checking the game out.
It's Star Wars, of course it's going to have huge hype.
swtor.com already accepting closed beta apps and pre-orders, GW2 is not.
swtor has an official forums, which drives traffic to the site, GW2 does not.
swtor is closer to release.
GW2 is still flying under the radar for many people, it's hard for gamers to not know about swtor.
The comparison doesn't really show you much of anything.
I'll agree that SWTOR is likely to have a larger launch day population, it's Star Wars and they've marketed the game and the pre-orders just about perfectly.
How it plays will be a big factor. It needs to live up to the hype and find the balance of being friendly to Star Wars fans and other gamers who don't typically play MMOs, while not being too dumbed down for MMO vets. Depending on monthly fees moving forward, it will have to be very good not to suffer the typical MMO bleed.
Being Buy to Play gives GW2 some advantages. Not only does the lack of a monthly fee make it easier to keep players who bought it playing it, but they don't lose monthly revenue from people who come to the game after launch. When a player buys SWTOR four months after launch, EA has missed out on $45 of subscription fees vs. the person who was an early adopter and kept playing. When ever GW2 sells a copy, it's just as good for total revenue, no matter when it was purchased.
This is important if GW2 releases with in a couple months of SWTOR. If some potential GW2 players are still enthralled with SWTOR when GW2 launches, it doesn't matter if those players put off their purchase of GW2 for a month or two. A subscription based SWTOR competitor would have much more to worry about if they launched around the same time.
As far as what these two games will do to the MMO market, I think it will be a one-two punch vs. existing games in the space. SWTOR because of it's raw drawing power and GW2 because of it's innovation. Future games might learn a couple tricks from SWTOR, but they will never be Star Wars. GW2 has much more potential to move the entire genre forward by breaking the stagnant mold and bringing players a much more dynamic and immersive game.
There's also been SWTOR ads on this site already (presumably on others as well).
Also, check out this comparison to see how getting close to launch affects numbers.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it."-Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
You can certainly see where all the WoW players are going.... certainly not GW2.
Those also show that even with all of GW2's "hype", that there is very little change per month in people checking the game out.
The Truth is.. he is right. SWTOR is more popular. Not just those statistics confirm that and not the absent of a offical GW2 can counter that.
Just Look at the mmorpg.com statistics "Most Popular Games" and even there SWTOR got a lot of more clicks than GW2.
Even if the rating for GW2 is a lot better than SWTOR, but amount of ratings is on SWTORs side again. (and both is quite clear if you think about the audience here at mmorpg.com )
But more attention or popularity doesnt mean that it is a better game, or will better perform in the future, or that more player will play it one year after release. It just says Star Wars draws a lot more attention than GW, but that is a nobrainer anyways.
And finally i personally dont care about it.. the only important point for me is, what game is more fun, has the better, enjoyable gameplay for me personally. I guess it will be GW2.. but after all i just can say it, if i have played it. So time will tell, and we will see.
You can certainly see where all the WoW players are going.... certainly not GW2.
Those also show that even with all of GW2's "hype", that there is very little change per month in people checking the game out.
The Truth is.. he is right. SWTOR is more popular. Not just those statistics confirm that and not the absent of a offical GW2 can counter that.
Just Look at the mmorpg.com statistics "Most Popular Games" and even there SWTOR got a lot of more clicks than GW2.
Even if the rating for GW2 is a lot better than SWTOR, but amount of ratings is on SWTORs side again. (and both is quite clear if you think about the audience here at mmorpg.com )
But more attention or popularity doesnt mean that it is a better game, or will better perform in the future, or that more player will play it one year after release. It just says Star Wars draws a lot more attention than GW, but that is a nobrainer anyways.
And finally i personally dont care about it.. the only important point for me is, what game is more fun, has the better, enjoyable gameplay for me personally. I guess it will be GW2.. but after all i just can say it, if i have played it. So time will tell, and we will see.
PS: nice quote wars ^^
The six month click rates on this site for the two games only give SWTOR a slight edge. The one year mark puts them dead even. this would seem to support the arguement that SWTOR being closer to launch, having a very active marketing campaign, taking beta applications and offering pre-orders are all greatly responsible for the recent bump for SWTOR on the site vs. GW2.
I'm always surprised how quickly the forum traffic for any promising MMO ramps up as it nears launch. Even a week before launch, you will get flooded with people who claim they just found out about the game. Plus, yes, it is Star Wars. It's actually a little surprising that the gap between SWTOR and GW2 isn't a lot larger at this moment in time, though I'm sure it will keep increasing leading up to TOR launch.
Asking people how PAX GW2 pvp was devolved back into the assinine asshattery of SWTOR vs GW2 in under 10 pages. Where are we, high school?
Since SWTOR is releasing soon, it is completely pointless to even compare popularity of the games now. EA is in full ramp up sales mode and even a large number of GW2 fans will momentarily switch focus to SWTOR until they get tired of it in about one month.
GW2 won't release until probably spring of 2012. In the interim SWTOR will have much more traffic. The Star Wars franchise alone is enough to make it big, but just the imminent release of a Bioware MMO versus a game not even in closed beta beta would put it far ahead.
The adds have started and normal people will soon get to "Open Beta", ie. vira market, the game. These comparisons are officially pointless until GW2 release. Then we can start them up again.
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OMG the last couple of pages have had me cracking up and then this one finished it off. My sides hurt now. Pure Entertainment..
On topic. I am glad there is another satisfied person who had the priveledge of playing the game. With the amount of hate for the game on these forums I am still waiting to read a negative review from those that are in the business of writing reviews and experiences. Still waiting.........
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
Reviews and Awards do not matter if they did WAR would be a wild success...
I didn't say awards at all, but I do agree. As to reviews, I was only saying with the amount of hate, doubt, and negativity some have I would take the people who actually get a chance to play the game over those that haven't. And in regards to those writing their opinions after their hands on, I haven't seen one that was a complaint (unless you mention the one that was written a couple weeks ago by a couple of bloggers who had their facts ass backwards and wrote negativity based on lack of WvWvW PvP at pax when there never was going to be to begin with.) All that being said, sure feel free to harbor dislike of the game and accuse some of us of being rabid fans. All I know is what I see and read and GW2 has been getting a lot of positive things said about it from outside sources who have tried it out. Sure reviews may not meen squat to anyone that doesn't like what the game has to offer, but to me, it is another satisefied customer. You can now carry on with your doubts.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
Hell yeah, rollin one on a RP server. Gonna run into walls and drink heavily.
Lol, of course positive reviews are always right while negetive ones are always wrong?
I told the TOR fanboys this on their website, negative is negative regardless of wheather or not you agree with it.
Once again I didn't say anything about what you are talking about. There was no mention of right or wrong. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I just find it funny to compare a game to war as you did earleir when everything the guys are doing is working as they are teling us it would. War offered information on things they either didn't deliver, or made sound better than it actually was whereas Anet is doing it by only revealing what is already implemented so comparing the two is not a very good way to go about making a point.
I would actually enjoy and value if, say TTH wrote that they didn't enjoy the demo and listed reasons why they felt that way. Anyone can say they don't like the game and if they decide to put it on this site, then they should accept the fact that if they hold these opinions only for the sake of hating without actually giving a good reason why then some are going to try to either enlighten them on something they may have misunderstood, or call them a troll for failing to give feedback that can be discussed. At this point I feel information is information and I don't care if someone writes negativity about the game since I am going to draw my own conclusions ala some peoples take on lack of raiding. I just find it funny that some go out of their way to knock the game when anyone takes the time to write their thoughts on their experience with the limited time they get to put hands on. And I find it funnier that even though peoples opinions are utter dislike for reasons of their own, I haven't seen much negativety written about the game from those that have actually tested it. Their opnion isn't right or wrong to me because it is all information and I enjoy reading what others experienced.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
Then what I am saying is directed at you.
Hate for GW2? On here? I was under the impression everyone thought this was the second coming.
Stay on topic please. Thanks.
i should be able to argue this point too when i go eurogamer in london
All three days I played while at PAX Prime. All three days all i could think of was "this game is going to be awesome".
I didn't feel that way last year playing Rifts. I didn't feel that way about WAR while beta testing it (and I really wanted that game to succeed). Only in the first year of playing WoW did I feel that.
To those who think this game is boring, not for them, overhyped, yadda yadda; that's cool, I hope you find what you are looking for, whatever that may be.
For the rest of us; change is good.
TRUST THE COMPUTER! THE COMPUTER IS YOUR FRIEND!
Stay Alert! Trust No One! Keep Your Laser Handy!
Yellow Clearance Black Box Blues!
I find raiding to be lazy content, and I am, frankly, very pleased that Guild Wars 2 will not be having it. I am also quite pleased that raiders will be less likely to play this game. I find I rarely like them.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
Ya GW2 is going to be "huge"........ not...... these statistics say otherwise.
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/swtor.com+guildwars2.com+guildwars2guru.com/
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/swtor.com+guildwars2.com+worldofwarcraft.com/
You can certainly see where all the WoW players are going.... certainly not GW2.
Those also show that even with all of GW2's "hype", that there is very little change per month in people checking the game out.
Fact is Starwars is just a bigger IP and have gathered alot of fans of the IP aswell as players wanting a decent themepark sci-fi world, and SWTOR is closer to release. All reasons to check a game out, and that proves what ?
GW2 is on the move up in hype and attention, as main stream game source is just now discovering that something is going on here. Each week now brings news of new media people "seeing the light" and praising GW2. News are released steady when things is done, and we are nowhere near a release fever, targetting main stream. So basicly the ones hyped for GW2 are either old GW1 fans or harcore out off game MMO fans, seeing its value
Fine if you don't think GW2 is going to be huge, but most of us see a writing on the wall, and interpret it different.
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These statistics actually don't say anything like that, but that's ok, very few people really understand how to read statistics properly. And thank god for that, means I get to keep my job
Ever heard of RSS feeds? People dont necessarily check the website everyday in hope for news. Besides, I'm sure people already know that they WILL be able to read the news about GW2 from anywhere else when they pop up, like here, and state their comments on those news while they cant in GW2 website.
That AND they have no forums in which we could discuss while TOR has them. See my point?
Wow, pretty impressive stats. Makes me realize that mmorpg.com kind of functions like a guildwars 2 forum colony (due to the lack of official forums) which would explain the relatively high amount of GW2 fans here (and subsequent high hype rating) compared to Swtor which does cater for fans with forums.
Kind of an eye opener, really.
My brand new bloggity blog.
It's Star Wars, of course it's going to have huge hype.
swtor.com already accepting closed beta apps and pre-orders, GW2 is not.
swtor has an official forums, which drives traffic to the site, GW2 does not.
swtor is closer to release.
GW2 is still flying under the radar for many people, it's hard for gamers to not know about swtor.
The comparison doesn't really show you much of anything.
I'll agree that SWTOR is likely to have a larger launch day population, it's Star Wars and they've marketed the game and the pre-orders just about perfectly.
How it plays will be a big factor. It needs to live up to the hype and find the balance of being friendly to Star Wars fans and other gamers who don't typically play MMOs, while not being too dumbed down for MMO vets. Depending on monthly fees moving forward, it will have to be very good not to suffer the typical MMO bleed.
Being Buy to Play gives GW2 some advantages. Not only does the lack of a monthly fee make it easier to keep players who bought it playing it, but they don't lose monthly revenue from people who come to the game after launch. When a player buys SWTOR four months after launch, EA has missed out on $45 of subscription fees vs. the person who was an early adopter and kept playing. When ever GW2 sells a copy, it's just as good for total revenue, no matter when it was purchased.
This is important if GW2 releases with in a couple months of SWTOR. If some potential GW2 players are still enthralled with SWTOR when GW2 launches, it doesn't matter if those players put off their purchase of GW2 for a month or two. A subscription based SWTOR competitor would have much more to worry about if they launched around the same time.
As far as what these two games will do to the MMO market, I think it will be a one-two punch vs. existing games in the space. SWTOR because of it's raw drawing power and GW2 because of it's innovation. Future games might learn a couple tricks from SWTOR, but they will never be Star Wars. GW2 has much more potential to move the entire genre forward by breaking the stagnant mold and bringing players a much more dynamic and immersive game.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
I've no idea why people are complaining about the so-called "lack" of raiding in GW2.
No 1. u have 8 maps that branch out in 3 directions depending on the choices made. 4 maps in total for 1 dungeon. 8*4 = 32 dungeon maps.
No 2. dynamic events in these dungeons + mobs dont just spawn in one place whenever u enter a dungeon.
No 4. there are stories for the dungeons that are full of GW2 lore and unfold differently depending on the path ur team chooses to take in the dungeon.
No 3. u won't have to grind it out to get ur perfect gear as u can collect tokens and choose a piece of armor/weapon u want.
What this equotes to is less gear grind and more fun, variety and excitement.
Looking forward to EQL and EQN.
There's also been SWTOR ads on this site already (presumably on others as well).
Also, check out this comparison to see how getting close to launch affects numbers.
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/swtor.com+guildwars2.com+riftgame.com/
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
The Truth is.. he is right. SWTOR is more popular. Not just those statistics confirm that and not the absent of a offical GW2 can counter that.
Just Look at the mmorpg.com statistics "Most Popular Games" and even there SWTOR got a lot of more clicks than GW2.
Even if the rating for GW2 is a lot better than SWTOR, but amount of ratings is on SWTORs side again. (and both is quite clear if you think about the audience here at mmorpg.com )
But more attention or popularity doesnt mean that it is a better game, or will better perform in the future, or that more player will play it one year after release. It just says Star Wars draws a lot more attention than GW, but that is a nobrainer anyways.
And finally i personally dont care about it.. the only important point for me is, what game is more fun, has the better, enjoyable gameplay for me personally. I guess it will be GW2.. but after all i just can say it, if i have played it. So time will tell, and we will see.
PS: nice quote wars ^^
The six month click rates on this site for the two games only give SWTOR a slight edge. The one year mark puts them dead even. this would seem to support the arguement that SWTOR being closer to launch, having a very active marketing campaign, taking beta applications and offering pre-orders are all greatly responsible for the recent bump for SWTOR on the site vs. GW2.
I'm always surprised how quickly the forum traffic for any promising MMO ramps up as it nears launch. Even a week before launch, you will get flooded with people who claim they just found out about the game. Plus, yes, it is Star Wars. It's actually a little surprising that the gap between SWTOR and GW2 isn't a lot larger at this moment in time, though I'm sure it will keep increasing leading up to TOR launch.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
Asking people how PAX GW2 pvp was devolved back into the assinine asshattery of SWTOR vs GW2 in under 10 pages.
Where are we, high school?
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Since SWTOR is releasing soon, it is completely pointless to even compare popularity of the games now. EA is in full ramp up sales mode and even a large number of GW2 fans will momentarily switch focus to SWTOR until they get tired of it in about one month.GW2 won't release until probably spring of 2012. In the interim SWTOR will have much more traffic. The Star Wars franchise alone is enough to make it big, but just the imminent release of a Bioware MMO versus a game not even in closed beta beta would put it far ahead.
The adds have started and normal people will soon get to "Open Beta", ie. vira market, the game. These comparisons are officially pointless until GW2 release. Then we can start them up again.