This one of those game I want to like and am disapointed I dont.
The game play demonstrations already made me.. worried when I noticed the person giving the demonstration had trouble even with basic movement going from A to B.
Improving basic movement would get the game a long way but ontop of that the game needs a rather substantional overhaul.
This thread is kind of a moot point. It really dosen't matter whether the game gets better or not... it is dead. MMO's get one chance.
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No mmos got a relaunch for console (excluding FFXI) so both your posts are half right. Months ago when the game was total crap (kinda still is so i partly agree on OP but he is overly exaggerating i.e. destroying the game) I asked just about every person i knew in RL/Gamed with on FFXI/Other MMOS/Forums and the gaming community who didnt get to play the game due to a poopy pc and they all said they would STILL get in on PS3 when it launched. That launch will be the saving grace or the final blow to this game, and you bet your ass SE knows this better than all of us.
Like the other people in this thread mentioned, the game is only getting better. If you dont read the notes or have a personal gripe for a game you've never played/plan to continue the play why bother posting. Althought the same could be said for the OP but I can partly see where hes coming from.
How to make Job system without destroying the armory system: Allow players to level their proficiency in certain weapons/classes and then combine skills to make their own role. Then add jobs so as to give people more definition to their roles; help to accommodate players and their choice of combat style.
How to make a stupid job system:
Guess which one S.E. are doing? LOL.
What is this? Is this new? Im guessing the top is your suggestion which i do like until you get to step 3. This idea would of worked with FFXI because all combat skills are tied with a weapon, where in FFXIV you have actual "Abilites" ala MMO format which are tied to the weapon. So there would be very little reason to choose a bow on a marauder when most of your personal class skills are for melee attacks and your buffs apply for that damage (ranged acc ranged attck < example, may not be true since i havent played ranger). You see, you have more set points for the main class you play, so you will be limited with your ranger abilties where as you will have more melee abilities. In which you will be a marauder with gimp bow skill and amazing melee sklills with weird ranger buffs. I find it quite bothersome that each class is restricted to one weapon, but that weapon defines the main abilites you use so its a take or leave.
If you wanted to hybrid the features of "Weapon Skills" personal to the weapon itself like in FFXI then yes having more than one weapon on your class would be fun, but with the abilites now in FFXIV both concepts just add more confusion. I, just like you am a bit worried about mirrors due to weapons, but at the same time FFXIV plans to add many more classes in this game, which at that point will create more specialized and personal setups. With the way they are going as far as abilties, i can safely say there may be even more classes than FFXI, but thats after the infrastructure of the game is finished.
Ayosha/gifthorse/giftforce you represent the collective opinion of about 5 people (3 of which are just your alts >.>). Seriously I don't know more than 5 people even on the forums who agree with you that all the changes since Yoshi took over were "terrible, and ruined the game". Or really anything else you have ever said.
Ohh... So the OP is gifthorse?
Interesting.
Certainly explains a lot
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
you are right 1 year and have little change, now SE could take wrong direction with 0 content and more grind pts
they wanna change to ffxi, only for ffxi fan players base
teh community are bad, japanese are racist and you could find junk people everywhere
SE also ban anyone on the official forums with a dissenting opinion, so eventually all that remain are the dregs of the FFXI community who defend SE to the death on one hand and yet hate FFXIV on the other.
Now *that* is a gross exaggeration and distortion of the truth.
There are plenty of people on there with a dissenting opinion, who have been very vocal about their thoughts on various aspects of the game and/or changes being made. They're still there. They're still posting. They're still "dissenting".
The ones who are banned are the ones who abuse their forum access and carry on in a way that is negative for negativity's sake and consistently unconstructive... even downright insulting or abusive in some cases.
Those who know how to voice an opinion - even a very strong or angry one - in a controlled and mature manner, without raging or going off the deep end when others disagree with them, are doing just fine.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
People who never jumped ship or came back after 1.18 have nothing but good things to say.
I think this game is on the right track. 1.19 is adding a lot of foundational thigns that should have been in the game from the beginning (chocos/airships). The materia system is going to jolt the economy into action, on a variety of levels. There's going to be an introduction of the begining level raid, in addition to beastmen raids. More quests, more company quests, etc etc.
In 1.20 (probably Oct/Nov) we're going to get the advanced jobs (White Mage, Black Mage, Bard, Monk, Paladin, Dragon Knight.... all confirmed at this point).
They're also working on changing the combat animations. Chaos Thurst, Rage of Halone and Storm's Path all look amazing.
If this game keeps what it's been doing the last 6 months, you'll see many people who are in FFXI transfer over, and many more on the PS3. I know dozens of people who are waiting for the PS3 release for two reasons. One, their pc isn't great. Two, they want to start when the game is at a more finished state.
Here's the bottom line, THE GAME IS FREE. If you don't want to wait till this game shapes up some more, that's fine. But what's teh point of saying it's not up to par. If SE was charging you, you can complain all you want, but they're giving you a F2P game.
I for one plan on playing SWTOR, GW2 AND FFXIV, .......why? Because Final Fantasy has always been the mmo apple to the mmo oranges (Wow, Rift, SWTOR, etc etc). This game feels and plays differently. Once SE makes the changes it wants, it will be successful. And success at this point is having the same subscription base as FFXI or better.
FFXI survived through WoW because it's a completely different game. FFXIV will be the same compared to SWTOR and GW2. FF MMO's are an acquired taste, it's either you like it or you don't.
People who never jumped ship or came back after 1.18 have nothing but good things to say.
I think this game is on the right track. 1.19 is adding a lot of foundational thigns that should have been in the game from the beginning (chocos/airships). The materia system is going to jolt the economy into action, on a variety of levels. There's going to be an introduction of the begining level raid, in addition to beastmen raids. More quests, more company quests, etc etc.
In 1.20 (probably Oct/Nov) we're going to get the advanced jobs (White Mage, Black Mage, Bard, Monk, Paladin, Dragon Knight.... all confirmed at this point).
They're also working on changing the combat animations. Chaos Thurst, Rage of Halone and Storm's Path all look amazing.
If this game keeps what it's been doing the last 6 months, you'll see many people who are in FFXI transfer over, and many more on the PS3. I know dozens of people who are waiting for the PS3 release for two reasons. One, their pc isn't great. Two, they want to start when the game is at a more finished state.
Here's the bottom line, THE GAME IS FREE. If you don't want to wait till this game shapes up some more, that's fine. But what's teh point of saying it's not up to par. If SE was charging you, you can complain all you want, but they're giving you a F2P game.
I for one plan on playing SWTOR, GW2 AND FFXIV, .......why? Because Final Fantasy has always been the mmo apple to the mmo oranges (Wow, Rift, SWTOR, etc etc). This game feels and plays differently. Once SE makes the changes it wants, it will be successful. And success at this point is having the same subscription base as FFXI or better.
FFXI survived through WoW because it's a completely different game. FFXIV will be the same compared to SWTOR and GW2. FF MMO's are an acquired taste, it's either you like it or you don't.
i am seriously debating playing this again to be honest, its not really free since when they deem it ready it will be a sub again.
and you do still have to pay the entry fee, that does still cost 29.99
Tanaka was the reason FFXI was so great,one mind one directional design,is best for gaming.You get a mixed bag of input,yo ustart to get a game going in all sorts of crazy directions.
I do not believe Tanaka will ever take full charge of a game ever again,so Sqaure Enix as a whole ,is going to struggle to make good games.
FFXI was imo the leader,they had the language translator,no other game has it,forced grouping[duh it's a mmo],the BEST class and combat design,all utilizing teamwork[duh,it's a mmo].Sure the game lacked tech and a few other things,but it broke ground for other games to get even better[NO WOW is not even close to being better].At this very moment even my FFXI has turned sour,the game direction is just brutal,i wil lnever play FFXI ever again and it was the best game in this genre.Sqaur Enix jus thas poor people in charge right now,i have lost all confidence in them.
As of right now there has ONLY been ONE game to try and get better and that is going to be Archeage.This does not mean it will be better,i am just saying ,they are at least trying,that's all one can ask.Other developers aim for 1/2 gimmicks but the rest of the game is sub par,i'm not liking the direction of this genre at it's current state.
In comparison,Tanaka said it took about 5 years before FFXI started to turn a profit,that equates to a lot of EFFORT by the developer.These other games are turning out 2-3 year projects ,that SHOULD be taking 5+ years,it is sad how they are trying to cheat us of good game developement.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Tanaka was the reason FFXI was so great,one mind one directional design,is best for gaming.You get a mixed bag of input,yo ustart to get a game going in all sorts of crazy directions.
I do not believe Tanaka will ever take full charge of a game ever again,so Sqaure Enix as a whole ,is going to struggle to make good games.
FFXI was imo the leader,they had the language translator,no other game has it,forced grouping[duh it's a mmo],the BEST class and combat design,all utilizing teamwork[duh,it's a mmo].Sure the game lacked tech and a few other things,but it broke ground for other games to get even better[NO WOW is not even close to being better].At this very moment even my FFXI has turned sour,the game direction is just brutal,i wil lnever play FFXI ever again and it was the best game in this genre.Sqaur Enix jus thas poor people in charge right now,i have lost all confidence in them.
As of right now there has ONLY been ONE game to try and get better and that is going to be Archeage.This does not mean it will be better,i am just saying ,they are at least trying,that's all one can ask.Other developers aim for 1/2 gimmicks but the rest of the game is sub par,i'm not liking the direction of this genre at it's current state.
In comparison,Tanaka said it took about 5 years before FFXI started to turn a profit,that equates to a lot of EFFORT by the developer.These other games are turning out 2-3 year projects ,that SHOULD be taking 5+ years,it is sad how they are trying to cheat us of good game developement.
So im guessing your one of those disgruntled vets from pre abyssea? Your probably going to tell me the game was harder back then too arent you? Those who played FFXI pre aby know that anything endgame was hard, hard to outclaim bots.
Difficulty was the least problem for any seasoned LS in the game. Your also going to tell me leveling a job meant something and gave a player a better understanding of the class they played. Yes, if you were a bard, ninja, warrior, white mage or any other FOTM class. Otherwise it was about your skill of making a party and not having crap gear. Dont get me wrong, i love FFXI and to me it is still to this day the best mmo ive ever played. Its just that the game isnt ruined, trust me I raged and whined when they announced level cap increase and aby. Then i grew up and got over it.
You can level super fast, o noes and your aht urghan stair pirate gear means nothings! Incremental progression > 4 day window HNM with 17 other hairy miserably ppl just got get ouclaimed by bots because back then you needed 18 ppl just to wipe your a##. Yes i really miss that ffxi it was so hard. On a serious note i kinda wish being max level meant something and i miss the traditional parties but the community is the same as its been, its still as enjoyable and the people i meet as as memerable as they were back in the day. Its great if you dont have hours on hours to dedicate and most of the old endgame is doable and has a purpose to be done. Shoo shoo angry vet!
We all know that this game is crap. Really dude after year since release, battle is crap, slow, unplayable. Autoattack who you all press to victory is pretty bad, you attack wait 5 second and attack again. This lol auto-attack beside that you cant do any other actions.
UI is pretty slow and crappy. Basicaly it is same UI as at the date of release, nothing changed but minor fixes. To do one thing you need to confirm at least 2 another things. Sell and buy system is frustrating same as retainer lagged menu when you click and wait 5 second and nothing is happening and then you select wrong item. To open door you need to go to menu and confirm "Open". omg, what is this - lol.
This is patch note until now :
- Auto-attack with 5 second cooldown ( your chara attacks, you wait 5 seconds, it attacks again)
- Minor fixes to bugged things
= same unplayable crap as it was at date of release, same UI, same battle. No fun, its work.
We all know that this game is crap. Really dude after year since release, battle is crap, slow, unplayable. Autoattack who you all press to victory is pretty bad, you attack wait 5 second and attack again. This lol auto-attack beside that you cant do any other actions.
UI is pretty slow and crappy. Basicaly it is same UI as at the date of release, nothing changed but minor fixes. To do one thing you need to confirm at least 2 another things. Sell and buy system is frustrating same as retainer lagged menu when you click and wait 5 second and nothing is happening and then you select wrong item. To open door you need to go to menu and confirm "Open". omg, what is this - lol.
This is patch note until now :
- Auto-attack with 5 second cooldown ( your chara attacks, you wait 5 seconds, it attacks again)
- Minor fixes to bugged things
= same unplayable crap as it was at date of release, same UI, same battle. No fun, its work.
Yes, combat is slower in the sense that don't have to mash buttons non stop or my char will just stand there but even with auto attack you are using your TP abilities more often than you imply. Also weapons display their delay on the stats so I have seen 2.5 sec delay for auto attack. UI is not as slow as you say so w/e. Can anyone confirm you need to goto you menu and confirm "open" for a door? I don't recall ever having to do that.
I'm no fan of this game or SE, but this post is ridiculously overdramatic, and attempts to speak for a large portion of the community when it's really just one persons opinion. So, they're changing the game, and you don't like the new direction. Maybe for every two people who don't enjoy the new direction, there will be 10 who do. The game has gotten better. You can't argue against that. It will continue to get better. SE isn't making improvements to the things that were most important to you. You could have made this post with a single sentence: "FFXIV is changing and I don't like how it's changing."
Instead you tell us how the game is completely ruined for everyone because SE is simplifying and changing things that you don't agree with.
I have to agree with this poster. This entire thread seems more about the OP ranting than actually offering up any substansial evidence that the FFXIV community as a whole disapproves of the changes that the new development team is making. I played the game at launch and I've given it another go. Do I like the changes? Yes, for the most part. Is the game at the level I want it to be? Not yet. Am I willing to keep an eye on it and see where the developers take it? Yes, I am. I'm patient and willing to give the developers a chance. Not everyone is llke that, but I don't see why people who don't intend to give the game a second or a first chance hang out in forums for a game they are not interested, unless it's simply to bash and troll.
If the OP is really that unhappy about the game, then move on. Quit hanging out and whining about it. It's like slapping yourself in the face then complaining that it hurts but you keep slapping yourself like and idiot. OP, give it up already.
It's practically civil war on the Offical Forums...
The minute they charge, it's be the end of days for the game...
Sad Violins and all...
"it's be" not what I'm thinking. You know once I put gifthorse/giftforce (the OP of this thread), Azuryember, TonyMontana, and Dyne on my ignore list you would be amazed at how different of an experience visiting the forums is. Kind of boring actually in a way.
It is truly amazing how prolific certain (let's not call them what they are) can be with their negative posts, and the impression it can give of a community if you don't realize it. Sure there are plenty of others with their my little pony signatures who jump in on a particular topic to throw an entirely unconstructive barb or two in the direction of the game's development, but once you realize the true extent of trolls on forums, and how they by design try and affect that impression you see how supportive overall the community has been of the changes since Yoshi took over.
The game is undergoing major changes and you can expect people to be both upset by changes and impatient for the game to be fixed to their liking. It really is unfortunate though how some may look at the forums on a certain day when people (mainly these few most of whom rarely play) are going on a rampage and attribute that to the state of the FF14 community. In game it is nothing like this, Selbina at least is a wonderful server filled with wonderful people.
It's practically civil war on the Offical Forums...
The minute they charge, it's be the end of days for the game...
Sad Violins and all...
"it's be" not what I'm thinking. You know once I put gifthorse/giftforce (the OP of this thread), Azuryember, TonyMontana, and Dyne on my ignore list you would be amazed at how different of an experience visiting the forums is. Kind of boring actually in a way.
It is truly amazing how prolific certain (let's not call them what they are) can be with their negative posts, and the impression it can give of a community if you don't realize it. Sure there are plenty of others with their my little pony signatures who jump in on a particular topic to throw an entirely unconstructive barb or two in the direction of the game's development, but once you realize the true extent of trolls on forums, and how they by design try and affect that impression you see how supportive overall the community has been of the changes since Yoshi took over.
The game is undergoing major changes and you can expect people to be both upset by changes and impatient for the game to be fixed to their liking. It really is unfortunate though how some may look at the forums on a certain day when people (mainly these few most of whom rarely play) are going on a rampage and attribute that to the state of the FF14 community. In game it is nothing like this, Selbina at least is a wonderful server filled with wonderful people.
Well there are FFXIV fans who see that we are getting jobs, and their only reaction is "yay we're are getting jobs". They don't care about the implementation of said system and whether it will do more damage to the game than it does good.
They see we are getting autoattack and assume it's a solution to the boring/spammy combat, without realising that it's not.
They see materia system is being added and assume it gives depth to crafting when all it does is add spiritgrinding to the gameplay for all classes.
I like the way they implemented Instances and I like the way they intend to add Chocobos, but that is because those additions complement the gameplay rather than destroy and erode the fundamental properties which made FFXIV and even mildly redeemible game despite so many horrendous flaws (many of which still persist, i.e., lagginess and unresponsiveness).
Those who passively digest anything SE adds to the game and then regurgitate SE's intentions are the ones who are at fault. It doesn't matter what the majority of all people think of certain changes, it only matters what the majority of reasonable people think.
The poster who said ArcheAge is the only game trying to improve the genre is right, I think. Other games are making improvements too. Meanwhile, it's sad to see FFXIV doing nothing but degenerate and decay.
This entire thread is about people passing their pure opinion as though it's the unbridled factual truth about the current state of FFXIV.
Move on if you have no intention of playing this game. It's free, i play and have fun with my LS. We look forward to the future. As soon as this game is no longer fun, or we don't like the direction it's headed, we'll leave. However, we won't go on forums spewing venom about a game we have no intention of playing, AFTER we've left the game. That's just really silly and a complete waste of human time and effort.
Find a game that's SOOO fun for you that you don't even have to come back to the forums. I'm guessing, those that keep berating a game they dont' intend on playing have issues stemming from themselves, not necessarily the the particular game.
Those who passively digest anything SE adds to the game and then regurgitate SE's intentions are the ones who are at fault. It doesn't matter what the majority of all people think of certain changes, it only matters what the majority of reasonable people think.
What an incredibly arrogant and ridiculous assertion. You have stopped blaming Yoshi and started blaming the unreasonable players who happen to support the current improvements. It DOES matter what the majority thinks just as much as it matters what you think. You're not a special snowflake within the community. You're a part of the whole. I respect your opinion, but you talk as if it's fact when it's simply not. Who's being unreasoanble here? The customers who are enjoying improvements (despite your perception) or you (claiming the game is forever doomed because you don't like the changes.) Try and be "reasonable" and understand that not everyone shares in your opinion, and attempt to see it from a different perspective. That's how reasonable people have discussions.
You don't like the current changes. That's fine, and thanks for sharing your opinion, but stop trying to pass it off as anything more than an opinion.
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Yes this game is doomed ! Doomed ! Doooomed !
Basicaly it will never get better. Alright, get over that.
This one of those game I want to like and am disapointed I dont.
The game play demonstrations already made me.. worried when I noticed the person giving the demonstration had trouble even with basic movement going from A to B.
Improving basic movement would get the game a long way but ontop of that the game needs a rather substantional overhaul.
Only adjustments some people don't agree with, and I don't see how that could be even avoided.
6 months to add auto-attack?
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Don't fall into the OP's trolling. Read the patch notes for the past few months, a lot more than just auto-attack has been implemented.
FF combat has always been more about preparation and timing. It definitely doesn't look to be your cup of tea.
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No mmos got a relaunch for console (excluding FFXI) so both your posts are half right. Months ago when the game was total crap (kinda still is so i partly agree on OP but he is overly exaggerating i.e. destroying the game) I asked just about every person i knew in RL/Gamed with on FFXI/Other MMOS/Forums and the gaming community who didnt get to play the game due to a poopy pc and they all said they would STILL get in on PS3 when it launched. That launch will be the saving grace or the final blow to this game, and you bet your ass SE knows this better than all of us.
Like the other people in this thread mentioned, the game is only getting better. If you dont read the notes or have a personal gripe for a game you've never played/plan to continue the play why bother posting. Althought the same could be said for the OP but I can partly see where hes coming from.
What is this? Is this new? Im guessing the top is your suggestion which i do like until you get to step 3. This idea would of worked with FFXI because all combat skills are tied with a weapon, where in FFXIV you have actual "Abilites" ala MMO format which are tied to the weapon. So there would be very little reason to choose a bow on a marauder when most of your personal class skills are for melee attacks and your buffs apply for that damage (ranged acc ranged attck < example, may not be true since i havent played ranger). You see, you have more set points for the main class you play, so you will be limited with your ranger abilties where as you will have more melee abilities. In which you will be a marauder with gimp bow skill and amazing melee sklills with weird ranger buffs. I find it quite bothersome that each class is restricted to one weapon, but that weapon defines the main abilites you use so its a take or leave.
If you wanted to hybrid the features of "Weapon Skills" personal to the weapon itself like in FFXI then yes having more than one weapon on your class would be fun, but with the abilites now in FFXIV both concepts just add more confusion. I, just like you am a bit worried about mirrors due to weapons, but at the same time FFXIV plans to add many more classes in this game, which at that point will create more specialized and personal setups. With the way they are going as far as abilties, i can safely say there may be even more classes than FFXI, but thats after the infrastructure of the game is finished.
Pretty much agree with OP and other's.
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Ohh... So the OP is gifthorse?
Interesting.
Certainly explains a lot
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Now *that* is a gross exaggeration and distortion of the truth.
There are plenty of people on there with a dissenting opinion, who have been very vocal about their thoughts on various aspects of the game and/or changes being made. They're still there. They're still posting. They're still "dissenting".
The ones who are banned are the ones who abuse their forum access and carry on in a way that is negative for negativity's sake and consistently unconstructive... even downright insulting or abusive in some cases.
Those who know how to voice an opinion - even a very strong or angry one - in a controlled and mature manner, without raging or going off the deep end when others disagree with them, are doing just fine.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
It's practically civil war on the Offical Forums...
The minute they charge, it's be the end of days for the game...
Sad Violins and all...
People who never jumped ship or came back after 1.18 have nothing but good things to say.
I think this game is on the right track. 1.19 is adding a lot of foundational thigns that should have been in the game from the beginning (chocos/airships). The materia system is going to jolt the economy into action, on a variety of levels. There's going to be an introduction of the begining level raid, in addition to beastmen raids. More quests, more company quests, etc etc.
In 1.20 (probably Oct/Nov) we're going to get the advanced jobs (White Mage, Black Mage, Bard, Monk, Paladin, Dragon Knight.... all confirmed at this point).
They're also working on changing the combat animations. Chaos Thurst, Rage of Halone and Storm's Path all look amazing.
If this game keeps what it's been doing the last 6 months, you'll see many people who are in FFXI transfer over, and many more on the PS3. I know dozens of people who are waiting for the PS3 release for two reasons. One, their pc isn't great. Two, they want to start when the game is at a more finished state.
Here's the bottom line, THE GAME IS FREE. If you don't want to wait till this game shapes up some more, that's fine. But what's teh point of saying it's not up to par. If SE was charging you, you can complain all you want, but they're giving you a F2P game.
I for one plan on playing SWTOR, GW2 AND FFXIV, .......why? Because Final Fantasy has always been the mmo apple to the mmo oranges (Wow, Rift, SWTOR, etc etc). This game feels and plays differently. Once SE makes the changes it wants, it will be successful. And success at this point is having the same subscription base as FFXI or better.
FFXI survived through WoW because it's a completely different game. FFXIV will be the same compared to SWTOR and GW2. FF MMO's are an acquired taste, it's either you like it or you don't.
i am seriously debating playing this again to be honest, its not really free since when they deem it ready it will be a sub again.
and you do still have to pay the entry fee, that does still cost 29.99
hell the biggest flaw for me is you cant even install the game witout a CD copy
Tanaka was the reason FFXI was so great,one mind one directional design,is best for gaming.You get a mixed bag of input,yo ustart to get a game going in all sorts of crazy directions.
I do not believe Tanaka will ever take full charge of a game ever again,so Sqaure Enix as a whole ,is going to struggle to make good games.
FFXI was imo the leader,they had the language translator,no other game has it,forced grouping[duh it's a mmo],the BEST class and combat design,all utilizing teamwork[duh,it's a mmo].Sure the game lacked tech and a few other things,but it broke ground for other games to get even better[NO WOW is not even close to being better].At this very moment even my FFXI has turned sour,the game direction is just brutal,i wil lnever play FFXI ever again and it was the best game in this genre.Sqaur Enix jus thas poor people in charge right now,i have lost all confidence in them.
As of right now there has ONLY been ONE game to try and get better and that is going to be Archeage.This does not mean it will be better,i am just saying ,they are at least trying,that's all one can ask.Other developers aim for 1/2 gimmicks but the rest of the game is sub par,i'm not liking the direction of this genre at it's current state.
In comparison,Tanaka said it took about 5 years before FFXI started to turn a profit,that equates to a lot of EFFORT by the developer.These other games are turning out 2-3 year projects ,that SHOULD be taking 5+ years,it is sad how they are trying to cheat us of good game developement.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
So im guessing your one of those disgruntled vets from pre abyssea? Your probably going to tell me the game was harder back then too arent you? Those who played FFXI pre aby know that anything endgame was hard, hard to outclaim bots.
Difficulty was the least problem for any seasoned LS in the game. Your also going to tell me leveling a job meant something and gave a player a better understanding of the class they played. Yes, if you were a bard, ninja, warrior, white mage or any other FOTM class. Otherwise it was about your skill of making a party and not having crap gear. Dont get me wrong, i love FFXI and to me it is still to this day the best mmo ive ever played. Its just that the game isnt ruined, trust me I raged and whined when they announced level cap increase and aby. Then i grew up and got over it.
You can level super fast, o noes and your aht urghan stair pirate gear means nothings! Incremental progression > 4 day window HNM with 17 other hairy miserably ppl just got get ouclaimed by bots because back then you needed 18 ppl just to wipe your a##. Yes i really miss that ffxi it was so hard. On a serious note i kinda wish being max level meant something and i miss the traditional parties but the community is the same as its been, its still as enjoyable and the people i meet as as memerable as they were back in the day. Its great if you dont have hours on hours to dedicate and most of the old endgame is doable and has a purpose to be done. Shoo shoo angry vet!
We all know that this game is crap. Really dude after year since release, battle is crap, slow, unplayable. Autoattack who you all press to victory is pretty bad, you attack wait 5 second and attack again. This lol auto-attack beside that you cant do any other actions.
UI is pretty slow and crappy. Basicaly it is same UI as at the date of release, nothing changed but minor fixes. To do one thing you need to confirm at least 2 another things. Sell and buy system is frustrating same as retainer lagged menu when you click and wait 5 second and nothing is happening and then you select wrong item. To open door you need to go to menu and confirm "Open". omg, what is this - lol.
This is patch note until now :
- Auto-attack with 5 second cooldown ( your chara attacks, you wait 5 seconds, it attacks again)
- Minor fixes to bugged things
= same unplayable crap as it was at date of release, same UI, same battle. No fun, its work.
I have to agree with this poster. This entire thread seems more about the OP ranting than actually offering up any substansial evidence that the FFXIV community as a whole disapproves of the changes that the new development team is making. I played the game at launch and I've given it another go. Do I like the changes? Yes, for the most part. Is the game at the level I want it to be? Not yet. Am I willing to keep an eye on it and see where the developers take it? Yes, I am. I'm patient and willing to give the developers a chance. Not everyone is llke that, but I don't see why people who don't intend to give the game a second or a first chance hang out in forums for a game they are not interested, unless it's simply to bash and troll.
If the OP is really that unhappy about the game, then move on. Quit hanging out and whining about it. It's like slapping yourself in the face then complaining that it hurts but you keep slapping yourself like and idiot. OP, give it up already.
"it's be" not what I'm thinking. You know once I put gifthorse/giftforce (the OP of this thread), Azuryember, TonyMontana, and Dyne on my ignore list you would be amazed at how different of an experience visiting the forums is. Kind of boring actually in a way.
It is truly amazing how prolific certain (let's not call them what they are) can be with their negative posts, and the impression it can give of a community if you don't realize it. Sure there are plenty of others with their my little pony signatures who jump in on a particular topic to throw an entirely unconstructive barb or two in the direction of the game's development, but once you realize the true extent of trolls on forums, and how they by design try and affect that impression you see how supportive overall the community has been of the changes since Yoshi took over.
The game is undergoing major changes and you can expect people to be both upset by changes and impatient for the game to be fixed to their liking. It really is unfortunate though how some may look at the forums on a certain day when people (mainly these few most of whom rarely play) are going on a rampage and attribute that to the state of the FF14 community. In game it is nothing like this, Selbina at least is a wonderful server filled with wonderful people.
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Well there are FFXIV fans who see that we are getting jobs, and their only reaction is "yay we're are getting jobs". They don't care about the implementation of said system and whether it will do more damage to the game than it does good.
They see we are getting autoattack and assume it's a solution to the boring/spammy combat, without realising that it's not.
They see materia system is being added and assume it gives depth to crafting when all it does is add spiritgrinding to the gameplay for all classes.
I like the way they implemented Instances and I like the way they intend to add Chocobos, but that is because those additions complement the gameplay rather than destroy and erode the fundamental properties which made FFXIV and even mildly redeemible game despite so many horrendous flaws (many of which still persist, i.e., lagginess and unresponsiveness).
Those who passively digest anything SE adds to the game and then regurgitate SE's intentions are the ones who are at fault. It doesn't matter what the majority of all people think of certain changes, it only matters what the majority of reasonable people think.
The poster who said ArcheAge is the only game trying to improve the genre is right, I think. Other games are making improvements too. Meanwhile, it's sad to see FFXIV doing nothing but degenerate and decay.
This entire thread is about people passing their pure opinion as though it's the unbridled factual truth about the current state of FFXIV.
Move on if you have no intention of playing this game. It's free, i play and have fun with my LS. We look forward to the future. As soon as this game is no longer fun, or we don't like the direction it's headed, we'll leave. However, we won't go on forums spewing venom about a game we have no intention of playing, AFTER we've left the game. That's just really silly and a complete waste of human time and effort.
Find a game that's SOOO fun for you that you don't even have to come back to the forums. I'm guessing, those that keep berating a game they dont' intend on playing have issues stemming from themselves, not necessarily the the particular game.
What an incredibly arrogant and ridiculous assertion. You have stopped blaming Yoshi and started blaming the unreasonable players who happen to support the current improvements. It DOES matter what the majority thinks just as much as it matters what you think. You're not a special snowflake within the community. You're a part of the whole. I respect your opinion, but you talk as if it's fact when it's simply not. Who's being unreasoanble here? The customers who are enjoying improvements (despite your perception) or you (claiming the game is forever doomed because you don't like the changes.) Try and be "reasonable" and understand that not everyone shares in your opinion, and attempt to see it from a different perspective. That's how reasonable people have discussions.
You don't like the current changes. That's fine, and thanks for sharing your opinion, but stop trying to pass it off as anything more than an opinion.