well for an eleven year old german kid, I quite got some english skills I guess.
btw, I am playing mmos/mmorpgs since UO, so I think I have a bit of a gaming history. my guildmates are like 25-52 years old, wow really works for us, because we all have jobs, some have family and we still can manage to see the hc content. Most of us are playing since US beta and thats what tightens the bond between us...I still have fun raiding with those guys. Or competing in the arena/rated bgs.
its ironic, I was firmly in this camp for years and years, and I was in denial that it was acceptable to sit for 2-5 nights a week + ignoring your family or leaving work early to get to a raid. And lets face it, its not just the raiding, you have all the other farming time on top. Its actually pretty selfish behaviour (for a parent at least)
Take a break for a month or 2 and you realise with a bit of horror that it was an unhealthy treadmill of addiction, playing the same instances over and over and over etc etc. Wow is a pretty cynical addiction machine, but there is hope on the horizon with Archage at least, that will be going in a different direction by all accounts. Rift mearly offers the same addiction machine, smaller but brighter.
And what makes you think that people won't spend unhealthy amount of time in Arche Age? sorry buddy but every MMO works on same principle of addiction just that they all have different ways and tools to hook you up. Only because AA is going in different direction doesn't mean it is going to be any less addictive since that is how the monthly sub MMOS make their money by getting you addicted so that you keep coming back for more.
Most of the WOW players remember it wrong, obviously. WoW was from day 1 - the easiest MMORPG out there. This is their focus - to be accessible. Later on during 2006-2009 lots of even easier MMORPGs were released, and so Blizzard had to adjust WoW to remain in top. It's all just a nostalgic thinking to say, WoW used to be hard and good, because in fact, WoW was a dumbed down caricature of MMORPG ever since it was released.
I wish more people would realize this. Surely there aren't so few people who remember the huge outcry over how WoW was suposedly the downfall of the genre with its emphasis on solo play, instant gratification, and poor community.
Blizzard simply knows its audience. WoW is an incredibly casual friendly and low-stress sort of game that can be challenging if you look in the right places but it doesn't exactly punch you in the gut during the game's repetitive parts. If anything, Blizzard's recent trend towards making the game more dififcult for the average player has backfired on them seeing as how the game has lost subscribers since its high point in WoTLK.
People who say wow is too easy almost always, always didn't do much in the game.
In vanilla, you got pvp gear by being skillless, you just did bgs a lot. Thats it, you had to no life bgs until you were lucky enough to get high warlord. What he means by saying he remebers 4 hour wsg...that wasn't fun. I remeber AV's that went on for 12 hours, log in, go for an av game, go to work, come back, same game is going on, that wasn;t fun either.
He's complaining about the way bgs work when bgs aren't ment to be competitive anymore, they are ment to be for new people looking to get some gear so they can do rated bgs, or arenas, which is where the competitive bgs is done.
He complaigns that he can't gank low levels because they will come back on a level 85? If you didn't suck at pvp and could actually fight someone your level that wouldn't be a concern.
Just another baddie who wasn't good enough to do any real pvp and whines about how easy it is. Yet he can only kill low levels and QQ's that they come back and kill him.
And what makes you think that people won't spend unhealthy amount of time in Arche Age? sorry buddy but every MMO works on same principle of addiction just that they all have different ways and tools to hook you up. Only because AA is going in different direction doesn't mean it is going to be any less addictive since that is how the monthly sub MMOS make their money by getting you addicted so that you keep coming back for more.
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^^ oh it will addict, but as many WOW players know, wow is about getting everyone together for regular 4 hour blocks on a regulare basis, where you must be entirely focused on your pc at that time. Sandboxes are about community and market forces, not attending an absolutely strict schedule every single week for years, where failure to attend the schedule means you miss the only content if interest in the game. Any parent who raids 4-5 days a week knows deep down it is wrong i guarantee it. Think about it, a working parent sitting in front of a computer literally ignoring the household entirey for another 20+ hours a week, while also working full time, sounds mad doesnt it.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
And what makes you think that people won't spend unhealthy amount of time in Arche Age? sorry buddy but every MMO works on same principle of addiction just that they all have different ways and tools to hook you up. Only because AA is going in different direction doesn't mean it is going to be any less addictive since that is how the monthly sub MMOS make their money by getting you addicted so that you keep coming back for more.
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^^ oh it will addict, but as many WOW players know, wow is about getting everyone together for regular 4 hour blocks on a regulare basis, where you must be entirely focused on your pc at that time. Sandboxes are about community and market forces, not attending an absolutely strict schedule every single week for years, where failure to attend the schedule means you miss the only content if interest in the game. Any parent who raids 4-5 days a week knows deep down it is wong i guarantee it, think about it, a working parent sitting in front of a computer literally ignoring the household entirey for another 20+ hours a week, while also working full time, sounds mad doesnt it.
Yes it does but like i said addiction is something which is bread and butter of MMO companies. End of the day it is the responsibility of players. Anyways, my main point was that AA will also be addictive but in its own different way
People who say wow is too easy almost always, always didn't do much in the game.
In vanilla, you got pvp gear by being skillless, you just did bgs a lot. Thats it, you had to no life bgs until you were lucky enough to get high warlord. What he means by saying he remebers 4 hour wsg...that wasn't fun. I remeber AV's that went on for 12 hours, log in, go for an av game, go to work, come back, same game is going on, that wasn;t fun either.
He's complaining about the way bgs work when bgs aren't ment to be competitive anymore, they are ment to be for new people looking to get some gear so they can do rated bgs, or arenas, which is where the competitive bgs is done.
He complaigns that he can't gank low levels because they will come back on a level 85? If you didn't suck at pvp and could actually fight someone your level that wouldn't be a concern.
Just another baddie who wasn't good enough to do any real pvp and whines about how easy it is. Yet he can only kill low levels and QQ's that they come back and kill him.
Vanilla hands down sucked. The buffs costed way too much mana, i remember back in the time everytime i ressed i had to use all mana to summon a pet as a warlock.
I remember the weird honor system, i think it was like you have to farm honor 15 hours per day or you will lose your title?
I remember the two days AVs which i loved actually, but WSG without a time limit just sucked. I remember the full epic 2h shamans guarding the flags just to piss other off.
I remember when i had to mount off to use my skills.
I remember when i had to go to the battlemaster at SW to queue.
I have to say, even if CATA is pretty good, much better than Vanilla, pre TBCpatch vanilla was hands down the best time in WoW. Everything started to go downwards after some months fun in TBC.
Arena = epic fail, i do remember those days i boosted people to get full pvp gear. No skills at all, it should have been removed under BETA. You might argue with me "hey lol dude, theres no boosting anymore!" well let me say: the damage is to high, thats why. You cant boost anymore.
If they brought back vanilla servers with TBC talents etc plus being able to queue to BGs everywhere, removing flying mounts, making flight masters mounts alot faster and adding a flight master on the ground to fly up to Skettis for example, i would instantly come back to WoW. Which will never happen.
I didnt like end-TBC, i didnt like WOTLK due to the DK fiasco but i kinda like Cataclysm. Still it takes no efforts to get epic but the options, the queues, everything feels so perfect.
I hated Vanilla so much, but players only remember the positive things, not the buffs costing 40% of your mana that you had to use every ress in BGs, etc.
;Pre TBC patch days where the best, but Cataclysm owns WOTLK and vanilla.
And what makes you think that people won't spend unhealthy amount of time in Arche Age? sorry buddy but every MMO works on same principle of addiction just that they all have different ways and tools to hook you up. Only because AA is going in different direction doesn't mean it is going to be any less addictive since that is how the monthly sub MMOS make their money by getting you addicted so that you keep coming back for more.
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^^ oh it will addict, but as many WOW players know, wow is about getting everyone together for regular 4 hour blocks on a regulare basis, where you must be entirely focused on your pc at that time. Sandboxes are about community and market forces, not attending an absolutely strict schedule every single week for years, where failure to attend the schedule means you miss the only content if interest in the game. Any parent who raids 4-5 days a week knows deep down it is wong i guarantee it, think about it, a working parent sitting in front of a computer literally ignoring the household entirey for another 20+ hours a week, while also working full time, sounds mad doesnt it.
Yes it does but like i said addiction is something which is bread and butter of MMO companies. End of the day it is the responsibility of players. Anyways, my main point was that AA will also be addictive but in its own different way
I agree, but there is a world of difference playing 20 hours a week where you can stop for 15 mins or not play on any given night whenever you like to actually socialise eh I want a mmorg i can immerse myself in and yes play lots of hours, but be in control of that time to allow real life to exists as well rather than having the game force a schedule on my life.
edit, as you say a different kind of addiction, a good description for what I hope for in Archage
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Well no need to worry though as Star wars the old republic is very very near.
Wow was good but now it's for 13 years old kids that have no idea what is mmo and a game in general.
Star wars once you get to end -game is wow in space and the developers have already declared they are aiming for that very same 13 year old wow player market Looks fun to play as a corg for a few months, but long term it's just dated.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
you'll be back.. nobody quits WoW... WoW quits you
Wanna bet?
I quit after WOTLK as it just got boring. I mean how many times can you raid and run dungeons over and over with your main, then your alts?...........every expansion is exciting and everyone in the guild is gung ho for the new raids but after 4 weeks of that your done, the guild gets apathetic and attendance rates slow down. The dailies get boring, crafting gets stagnant and the market gets saturated. I never liked the PVP so not much eles new and exciting to do. I becomes a JOB not a game.
To counter the temptation of resubbing............I deleted WOW from my computer anf threw out ALL the disks. That was over a year ago and I have never looked back.
I really liked WOW a lot and when I first played it was so enthralling and exciting but as is everything it gets old.......as we do and its time to move on to something fresh. I havent played anything since WOW but Im waiting on GW2 so hopefully it will deliver.
Even shit sometimes has corn in it. That's content.
Sometimes poo is soft and other times it's rock hard, that's variety.
Actually the only thing FFXIV even has in common with crap is that it stinks.
well for an eleven year old german kid, I quite got some english skills I guess.
btw, I am playing mmos/mmorpgs since UO, so I think I have a bit of a gaming history. my guildmates are like 25-52 years old, wow really works for us, because we all have jobs, some have family and we still can manage to see the hc content. Most of us are playing since US beta and thats what tightens the bond between us...I still have fun raiding with those guys. Or competing in the arena/rated bgs.
its ironic, I was firmly in this camp for years and years, and I was in denial that it was acceptable to sit for 2-5 nights a week + ignoring your family or leaving work early to get to a raid. And lets face it, its not just the raiding, you have all the other farming time on top. Its actually pretty selfish behaviour (for a parent at least)
Take a break for a month or 2 and you realise with a bit of horror that it was an unhealthy treadmill of addiction, playing the same instances over and over and over etc etc. Wow is a pretty cynical addiction machine, but there is hope on the horizon with Archage at least, that will be going in a different direction by all accounts. Rift mearly offers the same addiction machine, smaller but brighter.
have you played cataclysm? Most of our ppl dont farm anything. We get covered by the guild bank and some ah trading. Stuff on the ah is damn. we got 2 progress raid evenings we week for 3-4 hours. Also not everyone has a 100% raid attendance...I dont see whats selfish about that, although most of the kids already sleep at the time we start raiding.
Also, in the last years nobody in our guild lost their job, in fact we had several guildmeetings (yes OMG in real life WTF lulz),
AND we also had several ppl (me included) who took a wow break. I just dont get why you guys always act like some type of exorcist who thinks we wow-players are possessed by the devil ^^
^^And you honestly think the majority of raiding guilds are like this? ofc not.
And no i dont think you are a 'devil', not quite sure why you were so defensive .. I am a fairly rational system developer who understands a fair bit about human behaviour in games, and 10k hours in wow, so I have the right to talk/debate about what I have seen as do you.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Meh. I only just started getting into it and then my laptop starts to overheat.. So have to wait for my PC to be delivered, having alot of fun play Protection Paladin.
you'll be back.. nobody quits WoW... WoW quits you
I had no problem leaving WoW. Like the OP, I first played it at TBC launch. Within 4 or 5 months, I moved on to other MMOs. I resubbed at WotLK launch. That held my interest for 2 to 3 months until I was bored. This past January, I bought Cataclysm and had quit before March. I won't even bother with the next expansion.
Why is it easy to quit WoW?
My character died once during the process of leveling from 80-85. I almost felt insulted that it was so easy.
The community becomes increasingly less mature and more 'instant gratification' with each expansion.
New content is increasingly watered down and uninteresting.
Crafting still sucks miserably considering their budget.
I don't need to be preached to about WOW, AmigO...I've done it all on there. But if high level raids/arena is your ticket...I'm actually very happy for you! I'm glad someone enjoyed the endgame more than I did!
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
you'll be back.. nobody quits WoW... WoW quits you
I had no problem leaving WoW. Like the OP, I first played it at TBC launch. Within 4 or 5 months, I moved on to other MMOs. I resubbed at WotLK launch. That held my interest for 2 to 3 months until I was bored. This past January, I bought Cataclysm and had quit before March. I won't even bother with the next expansion.
Why is it easy to quit WoW?
My character died once during the process of leveling from 80-85. I almost felt insulted that it was so easy.
The community becomes increasingly less mature and more 'instant gratification' with each expansion.
New content is increasingly watered down and uninteresting.
Crafting still sucks miserably considering their budget.
There is very little diversity within classes.
Sorry Recon48, I have to agree with pmcubed. I almost got sucked back in by WOW earlier this year. WOW actually sent me an email saying that my account was hacked! Imagine that after I was banned for spamming. They investigated and discovered it wasn't my fault....anyways, I got my account back with my toons intact!!! They set me up to download WOW with all the expantions all over again. I actually felt mildly excited to play again! It took hours, but it was all back on my computer. After I argued with WOW for awhile about being falsely accused I got awarded a free month...Yippy! I clicked the WOW icon on my desk top to play...my mild excitement turned into a form of nastolgic antisipation...and then the line came up..."A fatal exception has occured"...and reality hit me in the face like a brick! I didn't bother trying again...I simply deleted the game from my computer.(again) and understood...this is WOW...you think you like it...but in the end you will wind up hating it. (All over again.)
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
Meh. I only just started getting into it and then my laptop starts to overheat.. So have to wait for my PC to be delivered, having alot of fun play Protection Paladin.
Overheating may be a cause of dust piling up in your system and you might have to clean it. But wait its a laptop so nvm.. Idk forget what i said instead try buying a cooling pad that you put under the laptop and it'll bring the temp down.
"Today WoW is so easy a 2nd grader taking the short bus to school could make level 85 in a month. People enter BG's to get carried to the next level and spend their time screwing around and farming HK's. Flight paths are gifted to you just for reaching a certain lvl and mounts come easily at lvl 20. No one camps anymore it is gank and run because everyone seems to have at least one lvl 85 they are going to pull out after you gank them."
Does playing an mmorpg endlessly to the point that leveling up or getting through raids without much effort somehow make you feel intelligent?
The problem isn't the game. It simply means you either:
"Today WoW is so easy a 2nd grader taking the short bus to school could make level 85 in a month. People enter BG's to get carried to the next level and spend their time screwing around and farming HK's. Flight paths are gifted to you just for reaching a certain lvl and mounts come easily at lvl 20. No one camps anymore it is gank and run because everyone seems to have at least one lvl 85 they are going to pull out after you gank them."
Does playing an mmorpg endlessly to the point that leveling up or getting through raids without much effort somehow make you feel intelligent?
The problem isn't the game. It simply means you either:
1. Play too much
2. Need to find another game
Ditto!
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
meanwhile millions of subscribers still play. WoW has maintained its life. The comparisons you made reminded me of the "elder jedi" vs the "NGE jedi" (I had to grind, I had to work for it, etc etc.).
^^And you honestly think the majority of raiding guilds are like this? ofc not.
And no i dont think you are a 'devil', not quite sure why you were so defensive .. I am a fairly rational system developer who understands a fair bit about human behaviour in games, and 10k hours in wow, so I have the right to talk/debate about what I have seen as do you.
I know many casual raiding guilds like us, but that wasnt the point anyway. And its also not about addiction, schedules, whatsoever...my point is that there still are people out there which still have fun playing wow. And I just dont get why quitters always gonna hate because of that. since my english is not that good, I might get misunderstood from time to time...my bad, got it all from watching english cartoons and tv shows.
when finally another mmorpg gets live which is some competition for wow, we might switch. So far any rivals or so called wow killers were only good for a couple of weeks...
gw2 wasnt that terrifying on the gamescom, tor seems to be a big disappointment, still hopes on world of darkness, warhammer 40k since I was a tabletop nerd once....
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And what makes you think that people won't spend unhealthy amount of time in Arche Age? sorry buddy but every MMO works on same principle of addiction just that they all have different ways and tools to hook you up. Only because AA is going in different direction doesn't mean it is going to be any less addictive since that is how the monthly sub MMOS make their money by getting you addicted so that you keep coming back for more.
I wish more people would realize this. Surely there aren't so few people who remember the huge outcry over how WoW was suposedly the downfall of the genre with its emphasis on solo play, instant gratification, and poor community.
Blizzard simply knows its audience. WoW is an incredibly casual friendly and low-stress sort of game that can be challenging if you look in the right places but it doesn't exactly punch you in the gut during the game's repetitive parts. If anything, Blizzard's recent trend towards making the game more dififcult for the average player has backfired on them seeing as how the game has lost subscribers since its high point in WoTLK.
People who say wow is too easy almost always, always didn't do much in the game.
In vanilla, you got pvp gear by being skillless, you just did bgs a lot. Thats it, you had to no life bgs until you were lucky enough to get high warlord. What he means by saying he remebers 4 hour wsg...that wasn't fun. I remeber AV's that went on for 12 hours, log in, go for an av game, go to work, come back, same game is going on, that wasn;t fun either.
He's complaining about the way bgs work when bgs aren't ment to be competitive anymore, they are ment to be for new people looking to get some gear so they can do rated bgs, or arenas, which is where the competitive bgs is done.
He complaigns that he can't gank low levels because they will come back on a level 85? If you didn't suck at pvp and could actually fight someone your level that wouldn't be a concern.
Just another baddie who wasn't good enough to do any real pvp and whines about how easy it is. Yet he can only kill low levels and QQ's that they come back and kill him.
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And what makes you think that people won't spend unhealthy amount of time in Arche Age? sorry buddy but every MMO works on same principle of addiction just that they all have different ways and tools to hook you up. Only because AA is going in different direction doesn't mean it is going to be any less addictive since that is how the monthly sub MMOS make their money by getting you addicted so that you keep coming back for more.
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^^ oh it will addict, but as many WOW players know, wow is about getting everyone together for regular 4 hour blocks on a regulare basis, where you must be entirely focused on your pc at that time. Sandboxes are about community and market forces, not attending an absolutely strict schedule every single week for years, where failure to attend the schedule means you miss the only content if interest in the game. Any parent who raids 4-5 days a week knows deep down it is wrong i guarantee it. Think about it, a working parent sitting in front of a computer literally ignoring the household entirey for another 20+ hours a week, while also working full time, sounds mad doesnt it.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Yes it does
but like i said addiction is something which is bread and butter of MMO companies. End of the day it is the responsibility of players. Anyways, my main point was that AA will also be addictive but in its own different way 
Vanilla hands down sucked. The buffs costed way too much mana, i remember back in the time everytime i ressed i had to use all mana to summon a pet as a warlock.
I remember the weird honor system, i think it was like you have to farm honor 15 hours per day or you will lose your title?
I remember the two days AVs which i loved actually, but WSG without a time limit just sucked. I remember the full epic 2h shamans guarding the flags just to piss other off.
I remember when i had to mount off to use my skills.
I remember when i had to go to the battlemaster at SW to queue.
I have to say, even if CATA is pretty good, much better than Vanilla, pre TBCpatch vanilla was hands down the best time in WoW. Everything started to go downwards after some months fun in TBC.
Arena = epic fail, i do remember those days i boosted people to get full pvp gear. No skills at all, it should have been removed under BETA. You might argue with me "hey lol dude, theres no boosting anymore!" well let me say: the damage is to high, thats why. You cant boost anymore.
If they brought back vanilla servers with TBC talents etc plus being able to queue to BGs everywhere, removing flying mounts, making flight masters mounts alot faster and adding a flight master on the ground to fly up to Skettis for example, i would instantly come back to WoW. Which will never happen.
I didnt like end-TBC, i didnt like WOTLK due to the DK fiasco but i kinda like Cataclysm. Still it takes no efforts to get epic but the options, the queues, everything feels so perfect.
I hated Vanilla so much, but players only remember the positive things, not the buffs costing 40% of your mana that you had to use every ress in BGs, etc.
;Pre TBC patch days where the best, but Cataclysm owns WOTLK and vanilla.
Yawn
I agree, but there is a world of difference playing 20 hours a week where you can stop for 15 mins or not play on any given night whenever you like to actually socialise eh
I want a mmorg i can immerse myself in and yes play lots of hours, but be in control of that time to allow real life to exists as well rather than having the game force a schedule on my life.
edit, as you say a different kind of addiction, a good description for what I hope for in Archage
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Well no need to worry though as Star wars the old republic is very very near.
Wow was good but now it's for 13 years old kids that have no idea what is mmo and a game in general.
Star wars once you get to end -game is wow in space and the developers have already declared they are aiming for that very same 13 year old wow player market
Looks fun to play as a corg for a few months, but long term it's just dated.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Wanna bet?
I quit after WOTLK as it just got boring. I mean how many times can you raid and run dungeons over and over with your main, then your alts?...........every expansion is exciting and everyone in the guild is gung ho for the new raids but after 4 weeks of that your done, the guild gets apathetic and attendance rates slow down. The dailies get boring, crafting gets stagnant and the market gets saturated. I never liked the PVP so not much eles new and exciting to do. I becomes a JOB not a game.
To counter the temptation of resubbing............I deleted WOW from my computer anf threw out ALL the disks. That was over a year ago and I have never looked back.
I really liked WOW a lot and when I first played it was so enthralling and exciting but as is everything it gets old.......as we do and its time to move on to something fresh. I havent played anything since WOW but Im waiting on GW2 so hopefully it will deliver.
Even shit sometimes has corn in it. That's content.
Sometimes poo is soft and other times it's rock hard, that's variety.
Actually the only thing FFXIV even has in common with crap is that it stinks.
but the music's good For 5 minutes - "theartist"
have you played cataclysm? Most of our ppl dont farm anything. We get covered by the guild bank and some ah trading. Stuff on the ah is damn. we got 2 progress raid evenings we week for 3-4 hours. Also not everyone has a 100% raid attendance...I dont see whats selfish about that, although most of the kids already sleep at the time we start raiding.
Also, in the last years nobody in our guild lost their job, in fact we had several guildmeetings (yes OMG in real life WTF lulz),
AND we also had several ppl (me included) who took a wow break. I just dont get why you guys always act like some type of exorcist who thinks we wow-players are possessed by the devil ^^
^^And you honestly think the majority of raiding guilds are like this? ofc not.
And no i dont think you are a 'devil', not quite sure why you were so defensive .. I am a fairly rational system developer who understands a fair bit about human behaviour in games, and 10k hours in wow, so I have the right to talk/debate about what I have seen as do you.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Meh. I only just started getting into it and then my laptop starts to overheat.. So have to wait for my PC to be delivered, having alot of fun play Protection Paladin.
I had no problem leaving WoW. Like the OP, I first played it at TBC launch. Within 4 or 5 months, I moved on to other MMOs. I resubbed at WotLK launch. That held my interest for 2 to 3 months until I was bored. This past January, I bought Cataclysm and had quit before March. I won't even bother with the next expansion.
Why is it easy to quit WoW?
My character died once during the process of leveling from 80-85. I almost felt insulted that it was so easy.
The community becomes increasingly less mature and more 'instant gratification' with each expansion.
New content is increasingly watered down and uninteresting.
Crafting still sucks miserably considering their budget.
There is very little diversity within classes.
I don't need to be preached to about WOW, AmigO...I've done it all on there. But if high level raids/arena is your ticket...I'm actually very happy for you! I'm glad someone enjoyed the endgame more than I did!
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
Sorry Recon48, I have to agree with pmcubed. I almost got sucked back in by WOW earlier this year. WOW actually sent me an email saying that my account was hacked! Imagine that after I was banned for spamming. They investigated and discovered it wasn't my fault....anyways, I got my account back with my toons intact!!!
They set me up to download WOW with all the expantions all over again. I actually felt mildly excited to play again! It took hours, but it was all back on my computer. After I argued with WOW for awhile about being falsely accused I got awarded a free month...Yippy! I clicked the WOW icon on my desk top to play...my mild excitement turned into a form of nastolgic antisipation...and then the line came up..."A fatal exception has occured"...and reality hit me in the face like a brick! I didn't bother trying again...I simply deleted the game from my computer.(again) and understood...this is WOW...you think you like it...but in the end you will wind up hating it. (All over again.)
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
Well we'll be more than happy to have your services in The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2.
I'll look u up Saint in GW2.
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
Overheating may be a cause of dust piling up in your system and you might have to clean it. But wait its a laptop so nvm.. Idk forget what i said instead try buying a cooling pad that you put under the laptop and it'll bring the temp down.
I agree with all this guy just said about previous QQ post
The more the merrier!
"Today WoW is so easy a 2nd grader taking the short bus to school could make level 85 in a month. People enter BG's to get carried to the next level and spend their time screwing around and farming HK's. Flight paths are gifted to you just for reaching a certain lvl and mounts come easily at lvl 20. No one camps anymore it is gank and run because everyone seems to have at least one lvl 85 they are going to pull out after you gank them."
Does playing an mmorpg endlessly to the point that leveling up or getting through raids without much effort somehow make you feel intelligent?
The problem isn't the game. It simply means you either:
1. Play too much
2. Need to find another game
Ditto!
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
To the OP.......
meanwhile millions of subscribers still play. WoW has maintained its life. The comparisons you made reminded me of the "elder jedi" vs the "NGE jedi" (I had to grind, I had to work for it, etc etc.).
I know many casual raiding guilds like us, but that wasnt the point anyway. And its also not about addiction, schedules, whatsoever...my point is that there still are people out there which still have fun playing wow. And I just dont get why quitters always gonna hate because of that. since my english is not that good, I might get misunderstood from time to time...my bad, got it all from watching english cartoons and tv shows.
when finally another mmorpg gets live which is some competition for wow, we might switch. So far any rivals or so called wow killers were only good for a couple of weeks...
gw2 wasnt that terrifying on the gamescom, tor seems to be a big disappointment, still hopes on world of darkness, warhammer 40k since I was a tabletop nerd once....