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  • IronfungusIronfungus Member Posts: 519

    Originally posted by Mannish

    People just dont understand that in every PvP MMO out there will be people that cheat and especially at the end game level. You can go ask people that play EVE, DArkfall or any other PVP game. Telling somebody not to play a game because of that is just plain stupid. I play Lineage 2 everyday and I pvp all the time just for fun. It would be differenent if Lineage 2 was a gank fest game where you was getting killed everytime you steped outside of town for no reason but Lineage 2 is not like that. Lineage 2 is a full open pvp game but its up to you if you want to participate in the pvp aspect of the game. It is not forced on you like other games. Bottom line is that its a FUN game.

    Forgive me for being confused, but how exactly do you play a "full open PvP game" without having that game be a gank-fest?

  • XhieronXhieron Member UncommonPosts: 132

    Alas, L2 was one of those that I always really wanted to get into, but never really spent enough time on it to get a feel for it.  In retrospect, it seems like a good step between the grindy sandboxes of the golden age (EQ and DAOC) and the more modern stuff.

     

    But this has got me thinking about it again, and I actually have a little money to spare while I'm waiting for the holy grail (GW2) to arrive, so I have to ask: what exactly is down the road in terms of class changes?  --at least to the best of anyone's knowledge.  I have no real background with the game, but "class overhaul" is a big red flag in any game.

     

    EDIT:  Also, to clarify as to the dwarf question:  Do you need one if you don't have a friend/clan/etc. with a dedicated dwarf to assist you?

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  • ExilorExilor Member Posts: 391

    Originally posted by Xhieron

    Alas, L2 was one of those that I always really wanted to get into, but never really spent enough time on it to get a feel for it.  In retrospect, it seems like a good step between the grindy sandboxes of the golden age (EQ and DAOC) and the more modern stuff.

     

    But this has got me thinking about it again, and I actually have a little money to spare while I'm waiting for the holy grail (GW2) to arrive, so I have to ask: what exactly is down the road in terms of class changes?  --at least to the best of anyone's knowledge.  I have no real background with the game, but "class overhaul" is a big red flag in any game.

     

    EDIT:  Also, to clarify as to the dwarf question:  Do you need one if you don't have a friend/clan/etc. with a dedicated dwarf to assist you?

    - They're going to raise the level cap to 99 but making levelling up much faster (by quests, and mobs that give lots of exp),

    - At level 85, in essence, they merge all the classes into wizard, warrior, ranger, archer (i think), healer, enchanter and summoner with some racial variation.

    - The six original starting zones will be annihilated and all races will begin at the same zone.

    - When a clar declares a war to another, it doesn't have to be accepted to start.

     

    - Yes, you need a dwarf. Higher level equipment is crafted.

  • ColdicesColdices Member Posts: 157

    Originally posted by Xhieron

    Alas, L2 was one of those that I always really wanted to get into, but never really spent enough time on it to get a feel for it.  In retrospect, it seems like a good step between the grindy sandboxes of the golden age (EQ and DAOC) and the more modern stuff.

     

    But this has got me thinking about it again, and I actually have a little money to spare while I'm waiting for the holy grail (GW2) to arrive, so I have to ask: what exactly is down the road in terms of class changes?  --at least to the best of anyone's knowledge.  I have no real background with the game, but "class overhaul" is a big red flag in any game.

     

    EDIT:  Also, to clarify as to the dwarf question:  Do you need one if you don't have a friend/clan/etc. with a dedicated dwarf to assist you?

    The class system in Lineage 2 is pretty unique.

    You start at your character creation screen by picking between a fighter or a mystic. Then, at lvl 20 you pick your first class. That class branches into another 2 classes you get to pick 1 from at lvl 40. Then, at level 76 you change that class to a '3rd class'. You can check all the classes at http://www.lineage2.com/Knowledge/race_human_changejob.html. However, with the update they are adding a 4th class change at level 85. You then change to a Knight/Warrior/Rogue/Mage/Enchanter/Summoner/Healer/Archer depending on your class decisions. For example, a dark elf 'tank' is called an Shilien Templar and an elf tank is called an Eva's Templar. They have the same role in the game but both have some unique skills. They will try to keep this 'uniqueness' by adding racial skills and stats. For example, dwarfs will be the only race to summon siege golems/craft 85+ equipment regardless of the class the pick.

    There are also a few unique classes, for example the kamael Soul Hound, who is a mix between a mage and a fighter, and the dwarfen Bounty Hunter class. Some people don't like the coming class changes because these classes will also be merged into the standard classes. 

    And no, you don't have to level a dwarf yourself to get items crafted. There are enough dwarfs that can craft something for you for a fee. I do suggest joining a clan asap, this game is all about helping each other. It's hard and slow to solo at higher levels. You need other people to acclompish your goal. For example, if you are a damage dealer your damage will suck without the buffs from a support class. It's not a solo game.

  • RingsideRingside Member UncommonPosts: 249

    Im 2 weeks old Player of LineAge 2 and im already addicted

  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196

    Originally posted by ironfungus

    Originally posted by Mannish

    People just dont understand that in every PvP MMO out there will be people that cheat and especially at the end game level. You can go ask people that play EVE, DArkfall or any other PVP game. Telling somebody not to play a game because of that is just plain stupid. I play Lineage 2 everyday and I pvp all the time just for fun. It would be differenent if Lineage 2 was a gank fest game where you was getting killed everytime you steped outside of town for no reason but Lineage 2 is not like that. Lineage 2 is a full open pvp game but its up to you if you want to participate in the pvp aspect of the game. It is not forced on you like other games. Bottom line is that its a FUN game.

    Forgive me for being confused, but how exactly do you play a "full open PvP game" without having that game be a gank-fest?

     

     

     Its really hard to expain in words because its all about the politics so its something you really need to experience for your self. 

  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581

    Originally posted by Mannish

     Its really hard to expain in words because its all about the politics so its something you really need to experience for your self. 

    my guess would be, more because of the games rules, if you have 5 pks or more, with karma on, theirs a chance of dropping items upon death. it used to be much harsher for pks way back and if the rule was never added, im pretty sure l2 would have been a gank fest to

  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196

    Originally posted by Sorrowho

    Originally posted by Mannish



     Its really hard to expain in words because its all about the politics so its something you really need to experience for your self. 

    my guess would be, because of the games rules, if you have 5 pks or more, with karma on, theirs a chance of dropping items upon death. it used to be much harsher for pks way back and if the rule was never added, im pretty sure l2 would have been a gank fest to

     

     

    That is totally not the reason. I am sure the High Level people know about that but the mid to low level people dont even know about the 5 PK thing and they still dont go around PKing. You can do Sin Eater and get rid of PKs or you can go to the Olympaid Manager in Adean and pay Fame Points to get rid of PKs. You really have no idea what this game is about. For every action there is a reaction and thats the reason why people dont go around PKIng.

  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581

    ok i use a example, for instance darkfall used to be a total gankfest, every non green player (meaning not clannie or ally) was kill on sight, know with the new buggy aligment system new blue players can trust other new blue players witch their coulden't do before.

    lineage2 diden turn out to be a gank fest, because off the rules, way back you could drop any item with 1 pk, and since it was a harsh pentalty, people diden just pk for nothing.

    if the rules had never tried to prevent random player killing i really doubt the comminiuty would have turned out like a non gank fest, and i dont think poltics is the only reason, its just commen sense for most, not to be an ass hat pking people for nothing. 

    so just saying its polotics, i don't agree with

     

    also here i editet it my previous post my bad

    my guess would be, more because of the games rules, if you have 5 pks or more, with karma on, theirs a chance of dropping items upon death. it used to be much harsher for pks way back and if the rule was never added, im pretty sure l2 would have been a gank fest to 

  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196

    You can disagree all you want and I still say you dont know what you are talking about. The only thing that keeps me from killing a person just for the hell of it is because it would bring trouble to my clan if I do. I dont give a damn about Karma, PKs or dropping items because any real Lineage 2 player knows how to deal with that stuff easy. 

    I am done with this though and I hope the OP enjoys his time playing Lineage 2.

  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581

    if i remember it correctly age of conan was a total gank fest at the start on pvp servers, since their was no pentalty. but yere each to their own opinion, afterall you seem to think ncsoft west done a fine job against cheaters over the years...

  • RavenRaven Member UncommonPosts: 2,005

    Originally posted by Sorrowho

    if i remember it correctly age of conan was a total gank fest at the start on pvp servers, since their was no pentalty. but yere each to their own opinion, afterall you seem to think ncsoft west done a fine job against cheaters over the years...

    That is not what he said, you just seem to not grasp the concept of L2 and how its political system really does influence what ppl do, having played for a few years since launch I can tell you penalties was not something ANYONE was worried about that is not the reason we just didnt kill everyone, it was the political meta game. I could literally walk around red and unless it was a clan we were at war with no one would attack me, there would be no penalties for them and sometimes free loot, the problem is if they did that, their small clan would probably be obliterated, they wouldnt be allowed in any high lvl xp spots, etc...

    It was a matter of respect, ppl knew who the big clans were and you respect them because they literally ran the server, if you didnt agree with them you usually joined some "other side" and be at war, at the same time, ppl that usually formed big alliances to try and bring down the clans in power didnt really care about PKs, items and so on, you would go red if you had to that is how it worked, sometimes you ended with 10 ppl red after a big battle, everyone had their spots for leveling where it would be relatively safe to be, you knew that clan A xps in DVC, or that clan B always xp in hunter's village, so ppl would escort red's to these places where it would impossible to come in to kill them cause you had your whole clan/alliance there.

    Going around just doing whatever you want will make last very very little in this game, even bad mouthing some "you might think lonely player" can make your journey quite painful and there are ppl who I have seen try to pay their way out of KOS lists by paying clans not to kill them anymore.

    The other thing you have to realize, and I havent played the game for a bit now bit back at the start, farmers did really work for the big clans, back in gustin, our alliance had all the castles and we had a clan that were essentially chinese farmers, we didnt allow them to farm so they approached us with a deal and we went with it they did their thing literally unharmed by anyone, in exchange we could ask for anything we wanted if we needed 100k iron ore we just had to ask them and in a few hours we had it or anything for that matter, also we didnt care about their money ( adena ) farming cause frankly we made so much money from castles that materials were much more useful.

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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196

    About a month ago I was leveling an alt C Grade Dark Avenger out in Enchanted Valley and got PKd by this B Grade Silver Ranger. I switched over to my main and went back out there and killed him. He then lied to his clan leader that I had killed him for no reason and then his clan leader sent War to our clan. I had no idea this had happened till I logged on the next day and saw I had a mail from my clan leader asking me whats going on and why is this clan sending us War? I told her what happaned and also told her that I was sorry for getting the clan into something like this. She believed me because she knew what kind of player I was so she talked to the other clans leader and  we got the war dropped. I then swore to my self that I would never kill somebody on my main again unless I was getting attacked my somebody on my main and had to act in self defense. This is the reason why people dont go around killing because stuff like this will happen.

  • spinesplitspinesplit Member Posts: 115

    When i first started reading translated patch notes from Goddess of Destruction i did not like the changes that were going to take place in the update but the more videos i watched and the more i read.....i have found myself welcoming the changes and im actually excited for them. I have been playing lineage 2 since the start and when i read that they were taking 32 classes down to 8 choices i got a bit sad...but the classes look and sound bad ass so it just might work.It will make balancing much easier for the devs too.

     

    Yes ncsoft did let botting run rampant for 7+ years because they liked the money from parties of bot subs and thats why the population left to play private servers...but there is no better time to be in lineage 2 especially as a new player...... leveling is really easy now compared to what it was in the past even with the cap being 85.Ive only seen 2 bot trains in the past 5 months. There are still big clans using auto assist bots to pvp and people do still buy adena but like its already been said in this thread...cheating is in every mmo. Lineage 2 offers a game world like nothing else out there.......and also no other game will ever be like it in the future i can assure you, unless they make Lineage 3.

    I am looking forward to a few new mmos being released and i will play them....but ill stay with lineage 2 till the bitter end because i have learned the *new and shiny* cant take its place.

  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581

    Originally posted by rav3n2

    Originally posted by Sorrowho

    if i remember it correctly age of conan was a total gank fest at the start on pvp servers, since their was no pentalty. but yere each to their own opinion, afterall you seem to think ncsoft west done a fine job against cheaters over the years...

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    your talking way back at c2, thoes times where a lot different cause the map was very different to, back then polotical did have a lot off meaning, but being red was also a lot tougher.

    i don't really see any effect of the political reasoning ingame know, the kind to supress random pking

  • BenediktBenedikt Member UncommonPosts: 1,406

    any chance there is pve/consensual pvp server?

  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581

    nope theirs none for NA/EU, i think its only the koreans who got thoes servers.

     

    anyway what if lineage2's game rules for pvp would have been different, and not tried to prevent random player killing, how would it have turned out with 1 off the below rule sets? I seriosly doubt it wouldn't have turned into a gank fest.

    their would be no karma system or exp loss on death.

    or still no karma system and you get the player's exp loss on death that you kill.

  • RingsideRingside Member UncommonPosts: 249

    Anyways Im still having fun and in 1h30 starts the Event of double XP double Drops and Free Gatekeeper ports.

    The Grind is a little longer than in other games Still even if Gear is easier to get and even if the NPC gives some Buffs before level 75. But im climbing that hill pretty quick and I have to admit i have never been a Questing Fan so i dont mind a little grind instead. Some realy nice people in the game keep helping me with noob questions and they lend me Weapons and Adena.

     

     Unity has to be the most helpful guild in any MMOs i have seen and I have been playing them for 11 years.

    Me and my wife are going to Keep our subsriptions. The expansion comming in august brings a lot of kewl stuff to the table...

    I cant wait

  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196

    Originally posted by Ringside

    Anyways Im still having fun and in 1h30 starts the Event of double XP double Drops and Free Gatekeeper ports.

    The Grind is a little longer than in other games Still even if Gear is easier to get and even if the NPC gives some Buffs before level 75. But im climbing that hill pretty quick and I have to admit i have never been a Questing Fan so i dont mind a little grind instead. Some realy nice people in the game keep helping me with noob questions and they lend me Weapons and Adena.

     

     Unity has to be the most helpful guild in any MMOs i have seen and I have been playing them for 11 years.

    Me and my wife are going to Keep our subsriptions. The expansion comming in august brings a lot of kewl stuff to the table...

    I cant wait

     

     

    Glad to see you are enjoying the game. Just got home from work and about to log on for some double xp. 40% to level 83 so I will be busy this week trying to get it. image

  • ComafComaf Member UncommonPosts: 1,150

    Originally posted by Ringside

    New games are all the same. I decided to give Line age 2 a second try after years they made A LOOOT  of improvements.

     

    Seems to me that almost every Flaws are gone. No more cheaters and gear is not easier to get The grind is pretty easier but still a long way to go from the start . If you know what you are doing you can level extremely fast like 1-75 in 2 weeks.

    The gameplay isnt as good as the Cookie cutters but after getting used to it i realy Enjoy the point and clic even tho i was a fan a DarkFall Now im having a blast in Lineage 2. Im on the Naia Server i just joined a guild that helped me out with all the questions i had and they gave me Money and some top notch gear. The average people is around 30yo and pretty mature i realy like the comunity and the Ambience. The population is good enough to make huge zergs for Sieges. The Olympiad pvp is realy fun. I like games with lots of buffs like this one.

     

    They made a Newbie Helper that gives the buffs you need to level and they last 1 hour. Comon gear at the vendor for a cheap price till level 76. I started a Necromancer and i gotta say the skill cap for the class is very high. Its hard but fun at the same time. My wife rolled a Shillen Elder .

    Best time i had in an MMO in a while BUT had to get used to it. At the begining it was hard. The UI has it flaws but once you know and it works its fine you can setup keydings how you want them and everything is there. Its just not the Western Standard MMO with the cookie cutter interface but it works for me.

    Finaly im Happy i found the game i was looking for and its a 7 years old game lol

    The expansion coming out Fall 2011 is going to increase the max level to 99 and reduce by a lot the grind from 1-85 so new players arent going to be extremely far behind since its going to kinda Reset the value of the adena.

     

    Lineage 2 had a bad reputation for cheaters and farmers but they created a button you press if you see a boter or a cheater and he is getting banned in no time.

     Sounds cool and all that you found a video game that you are enjoying - but wouldn't you rather play an in depth mmorpg?  A few options out there.  Personally, no factions, everyone just rolls up the same handful of classes and cosmetic races and it's off to the pvp starting gate by the first town just baffles me.

    But - I always say that there's a game out there for everyone, I just hope this isn't the only thing you've tried :)

    Good luck!

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  • nomssnomss Member UncommonPosts: 1,468

    B/C this game is not MMO anymore. So you'd enjoy pretty much any offline RPG :)

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,722

    Originally posted by Comaf

     

     Sounds cool and all that you found a video game that you are enjoying - but wouldn't you rather play an in depth mmorpg?  A few options out there.  Personally, no factions, everyone just rolls up the same handful of classes and cosmetic races and it's off to the pvp starting gate by the first town just baffles me.

    But - I always say that there's a game out there for everyone, I just hope this isn't the only thing you've tried :)

    Good luck!

    I would say Lineage 2 has more depth than most games out there.

    the entire game play is based upon player interactions. It's not about rolling up a class and grinding until you pk someone. It's about so much more. It's about rivalries, hatreds, deep friendships, back room agreements, playing the economy, controlling the economy and bonding together with players in a way that most games couldn't possibly emulate.

    Having said that, I remember when I tried warhammer and someone invited me to a guild. they just pm'ed me and asked if I wanted to join. I told him "well, I am looking for a guild with like minded people and want to take time to get to know the guilds out there".

    His response? "it's not a life changing decision, it's joining a freakin' guild".

    And that's the thing, in Lineage 2 being part of a guild means something. It sure as heck trumps most games out there that offer guilds that won't stay together long enough to do much of anything.

    How many players would lose a substantial amount of xp for their fellow guild mate? Make sacrifices?

    sorry, L2 has depth. Probably too much depth for most people.

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  • ComafComaf Member UncommonPosts: 1,150

    Originally posted by nomss

    B/C this game is not MMO anymore. So you'd enjoy pretty much any offline RPG :)

     Bump.  You should try Dragon Age!  Fun stuff. 

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  • ArthineasArthineas Member Posts: 231

    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Originally posted by Comaf


     

     Sounds cool and all that you found a video game that you are enjoying - but wouldn't you rather play an in depth mmorpg?  A few options out there.  Personally, no factions, everyone just rolls up the same handful of classes and cosmetic races and it's off to the pvp starting gate by the first town just baffles me.

    But - I always say that there's a game out there for everyone, I just hope this isn't the only thing you've tried :)

    Good luck!

    I would say Lineage 2 has more depth than most games out there.

    the entire game play is based upon player interactions. It's not about rolling up a class and grinding until you pk someone. It's about so much more. It's about rivalries, hatreds, deep friendships, back room agreements, playing the economy, controlling the economy and bonding together with players in a way that most games couldn't possibly emulate.

    Having said that, I remember when I tried warhammer and someone invited me to a guild. they just pm'ed me and asked if I wanted to join. I told him "well, I am looking for a guild with like minded people and want to take time to get to know the guilds out there".

    His response? "it's not a life changing decision, it's joining a freakin' guild".

    And that's the thing, in Lineage 2 being part of a guild means something. It sure as heck trumps most games out there that offer guilds that won't stay together long enough to do much of anything.

    How many players would lose a substantial amount of xp for their fellow guild mate? Make sacrifices?

    sorry, L2 has depth. Probably too much depth for most people.

    Its funny that you bring this up and  I totally agree with you.  My wife and I just had this conversation a couple days ago.  I absolutely hate random guild invites.  I want to know a little about the guild and those that are in it.  Who wants to be in a guild full of immature players or be just a number in the guild?  

    L2 was pretty cool in this respect.  Being part of a clan meant something.  All of this talk about L2 is making me want to check it out again lol.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,722

    Originally posted by Arthineas

     

    Its funny that you bring this up and  I totally agree with you.  My wife and I just had this conversation a couple days ago.  I absolutely hate random guild invites.  I want to know a little about the guild and those that are in it.  Who wants to be in a guild full of immature players or be just a number in the guild?  

    L2 was pretty cool in this respect.  Being part of a clan meant something.  All of this talk about L2 is making me want to check it out again lol.

    All I can say (ask) is "how many games foster guilds where the players would drop everything they were doing to run across the map so you didn't risk losing your dropped gear (when it was more prevalent in the game)?

    How many games really bring out how your reputation colors other people's reactions to you and the clan you are in?

    I remember playing lord of the rings and then logging out to attend a huge siege at Aden castle.

    Upon logging in and seeing all the 'hub bub", with players running around preparing, it really brought home the idea that what was about to happen was more real than anything I ever felt in LOTRO. Not LOTRO's fault. it is what it is.

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