hey thanks for the speedy reply! the game feels extremely laggy though i'm thinking that it might be my network or something. will try again later. thanks again!
I wonder how has the game changed, I have played last during summer of last year, it was still a bit hard to level ( nothing wrong with that ) I agree with the slow leveling it wasnt a rush to top level it seems however with items as it is you cant be competitive below lvl 80 which is something this game wasnt in prelude and c1.
But a question for the people still playing, after server merges, how is the game economically and leveling wise, is it still a handful of ppl doing everything, does everything cost billions? And how is leveling speed ?
I really do believe that this is an MMO that I will play for long while. It has great combat, real time transportation, a beautiful huge world, and great customization to name a few. I have played LOTRO for 4 years now and I throughly enjoyed that game, but the world just seems like it is in pieces, plus I hate all of the instant travel and zoning. Anyway, I am on Chronos and my name is Eddard if you would like to add me to you friends list or even your clan. See you in game.
I think you might want to check out Tera (unofficially referred to by some as Lineage III). Correct me if Im wrong folks, and if I am, I appologize.
But thats the impression I get, and I am looking forward to trying Tera because it gives me the sense that it has everything I appreciated from Lineage II, plus a heck of alot more and modern polish. I understand that they are Westernizing it, and that there will be grind associated with it, but it does look like an interesting game to transition to, from Lineage II.
I really do believe that this is an MMO that I will play for long while. It has great combat, real time transportation, a beautiful huge world, and great customization to name a few. I have played LOTRO for 4 years now and I throughly enjoyed that game, but the world just seems like it is in pieces, plus I hate all of the instant travel and zoning. Anyway, I am on Chronos and my name is Eddard if you would like to add me to you friends list or even your clan. See you in game.
I think you might want to check out Tera (unofficially referred to by some as Lineage III). Correct me if Im wrong folks, and if I am, I appologize.
But thats the impression I get, and I am looking forward to trying Tera because it gives me the sense that it has everything I appreciated from Lineage II, plus a heck of alot more and modern polish. I understand that they are Westernizing it, and that there will be grind associated with it, but it does look like an interesting game to transition to, from Lineage II.
Lineage 2 is severely under appreciated there is no doubt about that, as I have said on my previous post, the issue we had mid expansions was the fact that people got into a mind set of "get to the top level ", which was a shame, this game was never about being top level.
Anyone that played Prelude and C1 can confirm ppl running around from lvls mid 30's to late 50's and doing sieges and pvp, there was never a rush to level, hell they didnt even have skills beyond lvl 58, and that was good, I did really enjoy the virtually unattainable end game, but you could still do everything.
This was always one of the major selling points and ofc the sieges and politics. The only sad thing is the outdated controls, which hopefully TERA will provide, but from what I read there wont be the intricate politics nor sieges which is a shame so only time will tell, I really do hope for a L3 at some point in time, I dont mind a bit of grind, as long as the other systems are good and interesting.
Nice to see you're having fun. But while L2 was my first MMO, I couldnt possibly go back.
I want games with more customization, instead of everyone wearing the same gear. Games with more story, instead of people killing the same mobs over and over and over for hours and days and weeks. Games where I can play a Darkelf Healer (Shillien Elder) and dont die from gray mobs (on high levels anyway) and be useless cannon fodder in PvP.
The things I still like about Lineage 2 are the overall graphics (simple but beautiful), overenchanting (much better than soulbound items or worse item decay), the guilds and the mass pvp aka castle sieges.
The type of game that Lineage 2 is isnt exactly unpopular for asian MMOs, so I dont understand the complaint about "nobody clones L2".
Personally I will now try SWTOR and am glad this game will try to finally get rid of the annoying grinds in muds. Yeah I cant play Darkelf, and all the things that have been wonderful in Vanguard (R.I.P.) are gone again. But if everything else fails, it still looks like I can get a very story intensive very long game.
What would be the point of advertising this game though?
"Welcome to L2! Have fun grinding for two years to be moderately competitive with established players."
I'll admit the graphics have really stood the test of time well, but there is no real entry point for new players, you're just stuck years behind the curve. While NC makes a lot of money off the Korean version and can keep sending updates to the west I still can't see anything other than a slowly dwindelling player base for this game.
The point of advertising is the same as it is for other games out there. Why not adversise the game? Because you dont like it? When are you people going to understand that there are differenent type of mmo players our there.
"NEVER!! If I don't like a game, it shouldn't exist! I don't care how many other like or play it!! MY opinion and MY preferences are ALL that matter!! The developers aren't catering to ME, which is an OUTRAGE!! The game should be taken offline!!"
You mean those types of people? :-p.
Seriously if you can get the answer to when people will get over themselves and stop thinking that way, I think you should win some kind of prize.
That said, L2 stands as one of the best MMOs I've played. I got a good 4 years or so out of that game and loved (almost) every minute of it. That said, for me it's changed too much, specifically starting with Gracia. When I think of L2 at its best, it's always back around C3-C5. Interlude was even okay. But from Gracia on... dunno... NC started mucking with it too much to me.
I know the game's dropped in population considerably in the Western market. They used to have what.. 8-10 servers? Now they're down to one US and one EU if I'm correct? That's a substantial drop. The game is still doing well enough in its Eastern market, though. Lineage 2 isn't "dying" by any means... It's just losing steam over here in the West....
... oh, and for the people I'm describing in my "quote" above.. no... the Western market isn't the center of the gaming world, nor does an Eastern developer, developing a game for its Eastern market need to "get" Western gamers. That's another closed-minded attitude I'd like to see go.
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I agree with the OP points about nice, non instanced world etc. However, the game has an awful grind, worse I have ever seen. Also the inflation of the ingame currency is extreme, probably due to all gold sellers, so buying from player vendors is extremely expensive.
Finally the melee characters are very one sided, most of them has only a couple of attack moves, so they are quite boring to play and the mages has long boring downtime for regaining mana.
So all in all, despite the very nice gfx and non instanced world, the game is simply not fun to play. It is way too grindy and repetetive.
The type of game that Lineage 2 is isnt exactly unpopular for asian MMOs, so I dont understand the complaint about "nobody clones L2".
lol someone actually said that? In this thread? I must have overlooked it.
That couldn't be more untrue.
Lineage 2 is the game that Eastern devs clone. Rappelz, Last Chaos, Archlord, Perfect World (to a degree), Shaiya... and others I can't remember the names of atm... all very much from the Lineage 2 mold. Hell, L2 was basically the WoW of the Eastern MMO scene for a while, in terms of developers cloning it.
Suffice to say, Lineage 2 has been cloned plenty.
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I agree with the OP points about nice, non instanced world etc. However, the game has an awful grind, worse I have ever seen. Also the inflation of the ingame currency is extreme, probably due to all gold sellers, so buying from player vendors is extremely expensive.
Finally the melee characters are very one sided, most of them has only a couple of attack moves, so they are quite boring to play and the mages has long boring downtime for regaining mana.
So all in all, despite the very nice gfx and non instanced world, the game is simply not fun to play. It is way too grindy and repetetive.
What's funny is, I honestly never considered L2 a grind. Never.
Leveling was always almost always something I did in a group, and it was always a good time. People hanging out, talking, joking around, screwing with each other (ie. the puller would "test" us to see how much we could handle without dying). Even if we died and lost xp... not a big deal. Why? 'cause it wasn't about "leveling up" for everyone. It was about having fun in a virtual world with some cool people.
It was also always a bit dangerous to be out xp'ing... even in a group... You never knew who might decide to roll through your spot and start something. Of course, if you were in a warred clan, you definitely had to be careful. I remember typical xp groups in Antharas Lair turning into an hours long PvP session when one one of my clan's bigger "enemies" showed up.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... the only reasons I can conceive people feeling "leveling takes too long" or it's "too much of a grind" are 1) They're in a hurry to level up, or at least at some rate they've already determined as "necessary" for them. 2) They focus on nothing but grinding xp when they log in. 3) All of the above.
The trick I find, in any MMO, is to mix it up. And yes, even in L2, there were ways to mix it up in a given gaming session. I did it all the time. Most of the people I know who had the most longevity in that game didn't spend most of their time grinding levels. They did a variety of things. Others genuinely enjoyed long xp sessions. A few people I knew found it quite relaxing to find a "quiet" spot and just go to town.
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I agree with the OP points about nice, non instanced world etc. However, the game has an awful grind, worse I have ever seen. Also the inflation of the ingame currency is extreme, probably due to all gold sellers, so buying from player vendors is extremely expensive.
Finally the melee characters are very one sided, most of them has only a couple of attack moves, so they are quite boring to play and the mages has long boring downtime for regaining mana.
So all in all, despite the very nice gfx and non instanced world, the game is simply not fun to play. It is way too grindy and repetetive.
What's funny is, I honestly never considered L2 a grind. Never.
Leveling was always almost always something I did in a group, and it was always a good time. People hanging out, talking, joking around, screwing with each other (ie. the puller would "test" us to see how much we could handle without dying). Even if we died and lost xp... not a big deal. Why? 'cause it wasn't about "leveling up" for everyone. It was about having fun in a virtual world with some cool people.
It was also always a bit dangerous to be out xp'ing... even in a group... You never knew who might decide to roll through your spot and start something. Of course, if you were in a warred clan, you definitely had to be careful. I remember typical xp groups in Antharas Lair turning into an hours long PvP session when one one of my clan's bigger "enemies" showed up.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... the only reasons I can conceive people feeling "leveling takes too long" or it's "too much of a grind" are 1) They're in a hurry to level up, or at least at some rate they've already determined as "necessary" for them. 2) They focus on nothing but grinding xp when they log in. 3) All of the above.
The trick I find, in any MMO, is to mix it up. And yes, even in L2, there were ways to mix it up in a given gaming session. I did it all the time. Most of the people I know who had the most longevity in that game didn't spend most of their time grinding levels. They did a variety of things. Others genuinely enjoyed long xp sessions. A few people I knew found it quite relaxing to find a "quiet" spot and just go to town.
My experiences with Lineage 2, as well. Having an archer for plinking away at things and PvP, and having a dwarf for crafting and farming, has made for a nice mix of things to do. L2 kept me entertained for about 3 or so years.
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I agree with the OP points about nice, non instanced world etc. However, the game has an awful grind, worse I have ever seen. Also the inflation of the ingame currency is extreme, probably due to all gold sellers, so buying from player vendors is extremely expensive.
Finally the melee characters are very one sided, most of them has only a couple of attack moves, so they are quite boring to play and the mages has long boring downtime for regaining mana.
So all in all, despite the very nice gfx and non instanced world, the game is simply not fun to play. It is way too grindy and repetetive.
What's funny is, I honestly never considered L2 a grind. Never.
Leveling was always almost always something I did in a group, and it was always a good time. People hanging out, talking, joking around, screwing with each other (ie. the puller would "test" us to see how much we could handle without dying). Even if we died and lost xp... not a big deal. Why? 'cause it wasn't about "leveling up" for everyone. It was about having fun in a virtual world with some cool people.
It was also always a bit dangerous to be out xp'ing... even in a group... You never knew who might decide to roll through your spot and start something. Of course, if you were in a warred clan, you definitely had to be careful. I remember typical xp groups in Antharas Lair turning into an hours long PvP session when one one of my clan's bigger "enemies" showed up.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... the only reasons I can conceive people feeling "leveling takes too long" or it's "too much of a grind" are 1) They're in a hurry to level up, or at least at some rate they've already determined as "necessary" for them. 2) They focus on nothing but grinding xp when they log in. 3) All of the above.
The trick I find, in any MMO, is to mix it up. And yes, even in L2, there were ways to mix it up in a given gaming session. I did it all the time. Most of the people I know who had the most longevity in that game didn't spend most of their time grinding levels. They did a variety of things. Others genuinely enjoyed long xp sessions. A few people I knew found it quite relaxing to find a "quiet" spot and just go to town.
My experiences with Lineage 2, as well. Having an archer for plinking away at things and PvP, and having a dwarf for crafting and farming, has made for a nice mix of things to do. L2 kept me entertained for about 3 or so years.
I prefer L2's original leveling curve. I never felt it was a grind. Oh sure, there were times I wanted to do something else "like quests" which L2 really didn't have. Or at least they weren't very good. But I preferred the way L2 did many things.
Except economy. I prefer the economies in the newer games.
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It was my first mmo, I played for 2 years and it was kinda fun. Castle sieges are still the most epic pvp scenario i've played. But damn when you almost HAVE to have two accounts to be competitive in this game its just stupid. Anyone that played any mage class in this game knows what I mean.
Also I think more people play this game on private servers than the actual retail (in the west anyways).
It was my first mmo, I played for 2 years and it was kinda fun. Castle sieges are still the most epic pvp scenario i've played. But damn when you almost HAVE to have two accounts to be competitive in this game its just stupid. Anyone that played any mage class in this game knows what I mean.
Also I think more people play this game on private servers than the actual retail (in the west anyways).
Probably. I know I did for a couple months lol. But only because the base leveling up and item grind was so bad, that it made me rage quit. 4x exp and item was about right for me. Which is still slower than Aion so... god damn that's a lot of grind >.<
The paper model that came with the Lineage 2 box when I bought it was pretty sweet. So don't say I I'ma pirate.
Though I'm a pirate of music that just can't be bought in this country <.<
I prefer L2's original leveling curve. I never felt it was a grind. Oh sure, there were times I wanted to do something else "like quests" which L2 really didn't have. Or at least they weren't very good. But I preferred the way L2 did many things.
Except economy. I prefer the economies in the newer games.
I also preferred L2's longer xp curve. Probably why I miss the C3 days.
Heheh, indeed. There were "quests"... but they were generally excuses to go out and kill the same mobs you'd be xp'ing on anyway. Though some of the quests did give decent rewards. There was one that would give some mats as the reward... forget the area name, but it was up near the Dwarven starting region.
The economy in L2 was pretty much a mess... RMT pretty much controlled L2's economy. No question. Unfortunate that NC never reigned them in when they should have. Still, it wasn't impossible to work with. I did well enough by simply flipping seal stones for AA. Geared my character up quite nicely off that alone. The odd event could yield some good money, too.. some people were so hell-bent on buying the drops for them.
I think L2's economy, in concept, was great... very much player-driven. The problem is that they, again, let RMT run rampant and take it over. And, the mat requirements for many of the crafts were ridiculous.... which only helped the RMT out since people would just buy from them.
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I played in Prelude and C1, then left for WoW for a long time. Came back very recently. All I rembered liking is still here. All I disliked (endless XP grind pre-S, bots, adena grind) is either gone or much, much better. Plus they've added a lot of nice enhancements to the game. And it still looks as beautiful as ever. Also, the community seems very cool. Like people don't want to scare away new people or returning players, so instead there's a very chill vibe all over as I return. I really endores giving L2 a try (or a 2nd try if you played back in the day).
But a question for the people still playing, after server merges, how is the game economically and leveling wise, is it still a handful of ppl doing everything, does everything cost billions? And how is leveling speed ?
From my perspective (Level 5x Bishop and several lower level alts), everything is still way overpriced. NCSoft hasn't done anything that I've seen about balancing the economy since bots/adena sellers screwed it up so bad. I guess the adena is still in game, so it throws everything off balance even on the supply vs demand level. For someone like me that never buys game currency outside of an MMO subscription, it makes most NPC-sold gear and accessories completely unattainable at my level (without clan/alliance help). I am outleveling gear LONG before I can afford it. As an example, I'm about to hit Class B items and I don't even have 1/10th of the adena to buy the best armor under Class C.
On the other hand, I hear most people still use Class C items all the way up till 7x level so maybe the economy isn't as screwed as it looks from my angle. I can also tell you I have no problems leveling in my Class C to D stuff, so the problems obviously aren't that detrimental to the rest of the game's mechanics. In fact I can still take on most yellow-con mobs easy enough. I've focused on buying all my own gear for the most part, but I am also in a great Clan willing to send me hand me downs when I need it, then I return it for other people to use when I'm just soloing or low-level grouping. I think most good clans will have this policy since all the gear can be passed around and isn't worth vendoring.
Leveling speed is perfect in my opinion, at least at my level range. I haven't heard any complaints from others in game about the higher levels either. I think everyone I've encountered has honestly been enjoying the leveling curve by all appearances. Realistically, it equates to a nice investment in your main character, rather then some MMOs where I took characters to level 60+ in a week or two, and deleted them later with no attachment whatsoever because the time it took was negligible. When these companies make leveling so incredibly easy, my interest in it is just as quick to wander to something more challenging. I know I won't be running out of content or challenges to overcome in Lineage 2 any time soon. That's a much better MMO design philosophy to me.
Edit: Scratch what I said about anything being overpriced. If I had been buying the best of the common stuff in my class, I'd have much better gear then I do now that would've easily been affordable 10 levels ago lol Total noob here. At least now I know.
I played in Prelude and C1, then left for WoW for a long time. Came back very recently. All I rembered liking is still here. All I disliked (endless XP grind pre-S, bots, adena grind) is either gone or much, much better. Plus they've added a lot of nice enhancements to the game. And it still looks as beautiful as ever. Also, the community seems very cool. Like people don't want to scare away new people or returning players, so instead there's a very chill vibe all over as I return. I really endores giving L2 a try (or a 2nd try if you played back in the day).
I have to echo the above sentiment as well. All of the xp/adena farming groups I have been in are consistently respectful of others, and communicate well with others to work out the best place to go where it doesn't slow anyone else down. Groups either steer away from places already taken, or inquire on specifically what area the original group is canvassing so a newer group can find a spot of their own. I remember that happening a bit in FFXI, but it wasn't the norm like it has been in my experience in L2. I wish the level of respect was this common in other MMOs. I'm sure there are bad apples in L2 like in any game, but I honestly have yet to find them.
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Irish you will have to spend some of your time in game trying to make money and not worring about xping. I always tell people that the grind in Lineage 2 is not the xp but the money it takes to get your gear. Get some money making advice from some of your clannies.
The good thing about B Grade is that all you need are C and B Crystals to get what you need. You will need an Avadon Robe set and a Sword Of Valhalla / Acumen. Go to Luxury Shop and see how many crystals you will need and ask some of your clannies to see if they can help with the crystals.
Irish you will have to spend some of your time in game trying to make money and not worring about xping. I always tell people that the grind in Lineage 2 is not the xp but the money it takes to get your gear. Get some money making advice from some of your clannies.
The good thing about B Grade is that all you need are C and B Crystals to get what you need. You will need an Avadon Robe set and a Sword Of Valhalla / Acumen. Go to Luxury Shop and see how many crystals you will need and ask some of your clannies to see if they can help with the crystals.
Great advice, thanks. Yeah, I'm really not asking my clannies half as much as I should lol Stubborn independence FTL.
I also just realized the other night that all the common quality stuff is easily affordable at my level with the same stats - just not enhanceable later, but I don't even know what that means right now lol I also heard they're tossing enhancements so it would seem its the perfect time to buy the non-enhanceable gear before it's balanced for the update. Wouldn't it be identical to all other gear post-patch?
Edit: No set bonuses or enhancement options on commons, but other then that it appears identical.
I also think this MMO is an explorer's paradise if you take the scenic route instead of the cheap and easy teleporting service between towns. Ran out of money a couple times and before I knew it, I couldn't afford a port. Taking the long way to an area really highlights the variety and cool corners of the Lineage world similar to how Vanguard has a lot of seamless dungeons, caves, and places you'd never know were there without getting lost and just stumbling across it.
So I played L2 backvin the C2/C3 days....back when shit got crazy...fast lol. Im liking the direction the game is heading....installing the client now to give it a shot and see what I think again
I also think this MMO is an explorer's paradise if you take the scenic route instead of the cheap and easy teleporting service between towns. Ran out of money a couple times and before I knew it, I couldn't afford a port. Taking the long way to an area really highlights the variety and cool corners of the Lineage world similar to how Vanguard has a lot of seamless dungeons, caves, and places you'd never know were there without getting lost and just stumbling across it.
That's how I discovered Sea of Spores.
And Orfen.
Imagine my surprise.
Of course, those were the days when she would chase you to the gates in order to stomp on your head.
good times.
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Irish you will have to spend some of your time in game trying to make money and not worring about xping. I always tell people that the grind in Lineage 2 is not the xp but the money it takes to get your gear. Get some money making advice from some of your clannies.
The good thing about B Grade is that all you need are C and B Crystals to get what you need. You will need an Avadon Robe set and a Sword Of Valhalla / Acumen. Go to Luxury Shop and see how many crystals you will need and ask some of your clannies to see if they can help with the crystals.
Great advice, thanks. Yeah, I'm really not asking my clannies half as much as I should lol Stubborn independence FTL.
I also just realized the other night that all the common quality stuff is easily affordable at my level with the same stats - just not enhanceable later, but I don't even know what that means right now lol I also heard they're tossing enhancements so it would seem its the perfect time to buy the non-enhanceable gear before it's balanced for the update. Wouldn't it be identical to all other gear post-patch?
Edit: No set bonuses or enhancement options on commons, but other then that it appears identical.
Common gear does not give any bonus so for some classes its not bad at all but for others it can really make a difference. You being a Bishop you really want casting speed so real gear is much more needed. The question is how do you xp? Do you solo and play nuker or do you group and play healer?
The point to me is I enjoy the game and the freedom of the world. I normally am not a big poster, but I feel that there are people like me out there who are sick of how the newer games have been doing it and I want them to see that there is a great game out there. I would have never thought about coming here because I didn't really know much about the world. I assumed it would be restrictive, but I can go anywhere and even swim underwater, which a lot of newer games restrict you from.
Granted I am new to the game (only level 23) but I feel like I am earning my accomplishments instead of having them handed to me.
you're only 23? you must have JUST started then, its extremely easy to get to 20, seriously like 1 day of questing. if you keep talking to the newbie guide and follow his quests you'll get to 18 very fast and then do the class change quest at 18 will take you to 22. like i just recently started playing as well, and i bet it was like maybe 5 -10 quests tops got me to 18. but thats where the easy stuff ends tho, now its not TOO horrible but does get worse and worse as you go. i keep being told by my friend thats played for years that the amount of exp needed to get from 1-79 is the same total it takes to go from 79-80. or some level like that wich is just retarded. i have a level 58 Blade Dancer now and not sure how much longer i'll be able to stick it out.
at 58 i have 1 real attack (sting) wich is resisted 90% of the time by mobs that con green to me... so i just auto attack wich is boring the shit out of me. well Blad Dancers have really nice buffs BUT they completely rape your mana, like if all i do is auto attack and cast 4 (out of like 7 or 8 that i have) buffs i WILL go OOM eventually and as i said no real way to regen mana. my dances (buffs) use more mana the more i dances i have cast on me.
they really need to lighten up the mana in the game and the absolute NEED for buffs/soul shots. Soul Shots are breaking me and the enconomy is still screwed from all those years of botters/cheaters (tho cleared up now the money is still there) its nothing to see something selling for 600 million adena. like a hat that is just for show no stats at all sells for 40 million... just vendor weapon d grade weapons sell for like almost 2 mill if i remember right.
if it wasn't for my freind feeding me items to use (items don't bind so he'll get them back) i doubt i woulda made it as far as i have.
and i have played major group grind games before (EQOA first MMO) but you could atleast attack in those not just auto attack everything to death.
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hey thanks for the speedy reply! the game feels extremely laggy though i'm thinking that it might be my network or something. will try again later. thanks again!
I wonder how has the game changed, I have played last during summer of last year, it was still a bit hard to level ( nothing wrong with that ) I agree with the slow leveling it wasnt a rush to top level it seems however with items as it is you cant be competitive below lvl 80 which is something this game wasnt in prelude and c1.
But a question for the people still playing, after server merges, how is the game economically and leveling wise, is it still a handful of ppl doing everything, does everything cost billions? And how is leveling speed ?
I think you might want to check out Tera (unofficially referred to by some as Lineage III). Correct me if Im wrong folks, and if I am, I appologize.
But thats the impression I get, and I am looking forward to trying Tera because it gives me the sense that it has everything I appreciated from Lineage II, plus a heck of alot more and modern polish. I understand that they are Westernizing it, and that there will be grind associated with it, but it does look like an interesting game to transition to, from Lineage II.
Lineage 2 is severely under appreciated there is no doubt about that, as I have said on my previous post, the issue we had mid expansions was the fact that people got into a mind set of "get to the top level ", which was a shame, this game was never about being top level.
Anyone that played Prelude and C1 can confirm ppl running around from lvls mid 30's to late 50's and doing sieges and pvp, there was never a rush to level, hell they didnt even have skills beyond lvl 58, and that was good, I did really enjoy the virtually unattainable end game, but you could still do everything.
This was always one of the major selling points and ofc the sieges and politics. The only sad thing is the outdated controls, which hopefully TERA will provide, but from what I read there wont be the intricate politics nor sieges which is a shame so only time will tell, I really do hope for a L3 at some point in time, I dont mind a bit of grind, as long as the other systems are good and interesting.
Nice to see you're having fun. But while L2 was my first MMO, I couldnt possibly go back.
I want games with more customization, instead of everyone wearing the same gear. Games with more story, instead of people killing the same mobs over and over and over for hours and days and weeks. Games where I can play a Darkelf Healer (Shillien Elder) and dont die from gray mobs (on high levels anyway) and be useless cannon fodder in PvP.
The things I still like about Lineage 2 are the overall graphics (simple but beautiful), overenchanting (much better than soulbound items or worse item decay), the guilds and the mass pvp aka castle sieges.
The type of game that Lineage 2 is isnt exactly unpopular for asian MMOs, so I dont understand the complaint about "nobody clones L2".
Personally I will now try SWTOR and am glad this game will try to finally get rid of the annoying grinds in muds. Yeah I cant play Darkelf, and all the things that have been wonderful in Vanguard (R.I.P.) are gone again. But if everything else fails, it still looks like I can get a very story intensive very long game.
"NEVER!! If I don't like a game, it shouldn't exist! I don't care how many other like or play it!! MY opinion and MY preferences are ALL that matter!! The developers aren't catering to ME, which is an OUTRAGE!! The game should be taken offline!!"
You mean those types of people? :-p.
Seriously if you can get the answer to when people will get over themselves and stop thinking that way, I think you should win some kind of prize.
That said, L2 stands as one of the best MMOs I've played. I got a good 4 years or so out of that game and loved (almost) every minute of it. That said, for me it's changed too much, specifically starting with Gracia. When I think of L2 at its best, it's always back around C3-C5. Interlude was even okay. But from Gracia on... dunno... NC started mucking with it too much to me.
I know the game's dropped in population considerably in the Western market. They used to have what.. 8-10 servers? Now they're down to one US and one EU if I'm correct? That's a substantial drop. The game is still doing well enough in its Eastern market, though. Lineage 2 isn't "dying" by any means... It's just losing steam over here in the West....
... oh, and for the people I'm describing in my "quote" above.. no... the Western market isn't the center of the gaming world, nor does an Eastern developer, developing a game for its Eastern market need to "get" Western gamers. That's another closed-minded attitude I'd like to see go.
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I agree with the OP points about nice, non instanced world etc. However, the game has an awful grind, worse I have ever seen. Also the inflation of the ingame currency is extreme, probably due to all gold sellers, so buying from player vendors is extremely expensive.
Finally the melee characters are very one sided, most of them has only a couple of attack moves, so they are quite boring to play and the mages has long boring downtime for regaining mana.
So all in all, despite the very nice gfx and non instanced world, the game is simply not fun to play. It is way too grindy and repetetive.
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lol someone actually said that? In this thread? I must have overlooked it.
That couldn't be more untrue.
Lineage 2 is the game that Eastern devs clone. Rappelz, Last Chaos, Archlord, Perfect World (to a degree), Shaiya... and others I can't remember the names of atm... all very much from the Lineage 2 mold. Hell, L2 was basically the WoW of the Eastern MMO scene for a while, in terms of developers cloning it.
Suffice to say, Lineage 2 has been cloned plenty.
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What's funny is, I honestly never considered L2 a grind. Never.
Leveling was always almost always something I did in a group, and it was always a good time. People hanging out, talking, joking around, screwing with each other (ie. the puller would "test" us to see how much we could handle without dying). Even if we died and lost xp... not a big deal. Why? 'cause it wasn't about "leveling up" for everyone. It was about having fun in a virtual world with some cool people.
It was also always a bit dangerous to be out xp'ing... even in a group... You never knew who might decide to roll through your spot and start something. Of course, if you were in a warred clan, you definitely had to be careful. I remember typical xp groups in Antharas Lair turning into an hours long PvP session when one one of my clan's bigger "enemies" showed up.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... the only reasons I can conceive people feeling "leveling takes too long" or it's "too much of a grind" are 1) They're in a hurry to level up, or at least at some rate they've already determined as "necessary" for them. 2) They focus on nothing but grinding xp when they log in. 3) All of the above.
The trick I find, in any MMO, is to mix it up. And yes, even in L2, there were ways to mix it up in a given gaming session. I did it all the time. Most of the people I know who had the most longevity in that game didn't spend most of their time grinding levels. They did a variety of things. Others genuinely enjoyed long xp sessions. A few people I knew found it quite relaxing to find a "quiet" spot and just go to town.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
My experiences with Lineage 2, as well. Having an archer for plinking away at things and PvP, and having a dwarf for crafting and farming, has made for a nice mix of things to do. L2 kept me entertained for about 3 or so years.
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I prefer L2's original leveling curve. I never felt it was a grind. Oh sure, there were times I wanted to do something else "like quests" which L2 really didn't have. Or at least they weren't very good. But I preferred the way L2 did many things.
Except economy. I prefer the economies in the newer games.
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It was my first mmo, I played for 2 years and it was kinda fun. Castle sieges are still the most epic pvp scenario i've played. But damn when you almost HAVE to have two accounts to be competitive in this game its just stupid. Anyone that played any mage class in this game knows what I mean.
Also I think more people play this game on private servers than the actual retail (in the west anyways).
Probably. I know I did for a couple months lol. But only because the base leveling up and item grind was so bad, that it made me rage quit. 4x exp and item was about right for me. Which is still slower than Aion so... god damn that's a lot of grind >.<
The paper model that came with the Lineage 2 box when I bought it was pretty sweet. So don't say I I'ma pirate.
Though I'm a pirate of music that just can't be bought in this country <.<
I also preferred L2's longer xp curve. Probably why I miss the C3 days.
Heheh, indeed. There were "quests"... but they were generally excuses to go out and kill the same mobs you'd be xp'ing on anyway. Though some of the quests did give decent rewards. There was one that would give some mats as the reward... forget the area name, but it was up near the Dwarven starting region.
The economy in L2 was pretty much a mess... RMT pretty much controlled L2's economy. No question. Unfortunate that NC never reigned them in when they should have. Still, it wasn't impossible to work with. I did well enough by simply flipping seal stones for AA. Geared my character up quite nicely off that alone. The odd event could yield some good money, too.. some people were so hell-bent on buying the drops for them.
I think L2's economy, in concept, was great... very much player-driven. The problem is that they, again, let RMT run rampant and take it over. And, the mat requirements for many of the crafts were ridiculous.... which only helped the RMT out since people would just buy from them.
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Just want to jump in and agree with the OP.
I played in Prelude and C1, then left for WoW for a long time. Came back very recently. All I rembered liking is still here. All I disliked (endless XP grind pre-S, bots, adena grind) is either gone or much, much better. Plus they've added a lot of nice enhancements to the game. And it still looks as beautiful as ever. Also, the community seems very cool. Like people don't want to scare away new people or returning players, so instead there's a very chill vibe all over as I return. I really endores giving L2 a try (or a 2nd try if you played back in the day).
From my perspective (Level 5x Bishop and several lower level alts), everything is still way overpriced. NCSoft hasn't done anything that I've seen about balancing the economy since bots/adena sellers screwed it up so bad. I guess the adena is still in game, so it throws everything off balance even on the supply vs demand level. For someone like me that never buys game currency outside of an MMO subscription, it makes most NPC-sold gear and accessories completely unattainable at my level (without clan/alliance help). I am outleveling gear LONG before I can afford it. As an example, I'm about to hit Class B items and I don't even have 1/10th of the adena to buy the best armor under Class C.
On the other hand, I hear most people still use Class C items all the way up till 7x level so maybe the economy isn't as screwed as it looks from my angle. I can also tell you I have no problems leveling in my Class C to D stuff, so the problems obviously aren't that detrimental to the rest of the game's mechanics. In fact I can still take on most yellow-con mobs easy enough. I've focused on buying all my own gear for the most part, but I am also in a great Clan willing to send me hand me downs when I need it, then I return it for other people to use when I'm just soloing or low-level grouping. I think most good clans will have this policy since all the gear can be passed around and isn't worth vendoring.
Leveling speed is perfect in my opinion, at least at my level range. I haven't heard any complaints from others in game about the higher levels either. I think everyone I've encountered has honestly been enjoying the leveling curve by all appearances. Realistically, it equates to a nice investment in your main character, rather then some MMOs where I took characters to level 60+ in a week or two, and deleted them later with no attachment whatsoever because the time it took was negligible. When these companies make leveling so incredibly easy, my interest in it is just as quick to wander to something more challenging. I know I won't be running out of content or challenges to overcome in Lineage 2 any time soon. That's a much better MMO design philosophy to me.
Edit: Scratch what I said about anything being overpriced. If I had been buying the best of the common stuff in my class, I'd have much better gear then I do now that would've easily been affordable 10 levels ago lol Total noob here. At least now I know.
I have to echo the above sentiment as well. All of the xp/adena farming groups I have been in are consistently respectful of others, and communicate well with others to work out the best place to go where it doesn't slow anyone else down. Groups either steer away from places already taken, or inquire on specifically what area the original group is canvassing so a newer group can find a spot of their own. I remember that happening a bit in FFXI, but it wasn't the norm like it has been in my experience in L2. I wish the level of respect was this common in other MMOs. I'm sure there are bad apples in L2 like in any game, but I honestly have yet to find them.
Even though I don't much care for NC.
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Irish you will have to spend some of your time in game trying to make money and not worring about xping. I always tell people that the grind in Lineage 2 is not the xp but the money it takes to get your gear. Get some money making advice from some of your clannies.
The good thing about B Grade is that all you need are C and B Crystals to get what you need. You will need an Avadon Robe set and a Sword Of Valhalla / Acumen. Go to Luxury Shop and see how many crystals you will need and ask some of your clannies to see if they can help with the crystals.
Great advice, thanks. Yeah, I'm really not asking my clannies half as much as I should lol Stubborn independence FTL.
I also just realized the other night that all the common quality stuff is easily affordable at my level with the same stats - just not enhanceable later, but I don't even know what that means right now lol I also heard they're tossing enhancements so it would seem its the perfect time to buy the non-enhanceable gear before it's balanced for the update. Wouldn't it be identical to all other gear post-patch?
Edit: No set bonuses or enhancement options on commons, but other then that it appears identical.
I also think this MMO is an explorer's paradise if you take the scenic route instead of the cheap and easy teleporting service between towns. Ran out of money a couple times and before I knew it, I couldn't afford a port. Taking the long way to an area really highlights the variety and cool corners of the Lineage world similar to how Vanguard has a lot of seamless dungeons, caves, and places you'd never know were there without getting lost and just stumbling across it.
So I played L2 backvin the C2/C3 days....back when shit got crazy...fast lol. Im liking the direction the game is heading....installing the client now to give it a shot and see what I think again
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Of course, those were the days when she would chase you to the gates in order to stomp on your head.
good times.
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Common gear does not give any bonus so for some classes its not bad at all but for others it can really make a difference. You being a Bishop you really want casting speed so real gear is much more needed. The question is how do you xp? Do you solo and play nuker or do you group and play healer?
you're only 23? you must have JUST started then, its extremely easy to get to 20, seriously like 1 day of questing. if you keep talking to the newbie guide and follow his quests you'll get to 18 very fast and then do the class change quest at 18 will take you to 22. like i just recently started playing as well, and i bet it was like maybe 5 -10 quests tops got me to 18. but thats where the easy stuff ends tho, now its not TOO horrible but does get worse and worse as you go. i keep being told by my friend thats played for years that the amount of exp needed to get from 1-79 is the same total it takes to go from 79-80. or some level like that wich is just retarded. i have a level 58 Blade Dancer now and not sure how much longer i'll be able to stick it out.
at 58 i have 1 real attack (sting) wich is resisted 90% of the time by mobs that con green to me... so i just auto attack wich is boring the shit out of me. well Blad Dancers have really nice buffs BUT they completely rape your mana, like if all i do is auto attack and cast 4 (out of like 7 or 8 that i have) buffs i WILL go OOM eventually and as i said no real way to regen mana. my dances (buffs) use more mana the more i dances i have cast on me.
they really need to lighten up the mana in the game and the absolute NEED for buffs/soul shots. Soul Shots are breaking me and the enconomy is still screwed from all those years of botters/cheaters (tho cleared up now the money is still there) its nothing to see something selling for 600 million adena. like a hat that is just for show no stats at all sells for 40 million... just vendor weapon d grade weapons sell for like almost 2 mill if i remember right.
if it wasn't for my freind feeding me items to use (items don't bind so he'll get them back) i doubt i woulda made it as far as i have.
and i have played major group grind games before (EQOA first MMO) but you could atleast attack in those not just auto attack everything to death.