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A girl's perspective on Lineage 2 - this game sucks!

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  • ChickGeekChickGeek Member Posts: 60

    Originally posted by Rynne

    Originally posted by ChickGeek


    Originally posted by John_USAF

    Oh my god, you spend your time to log into your 2-comment-account just to repeat that. I must have really touched your soul to worth that much hassle!

     He has made only 3 comments in 5 whole years, can you imagine how wrong you can be for this guy to come here and repeat this?

    I think, he's my anonymous admirer, the one, who follows me silently in shadows and sends me a red rose at birthday. how nice of him to come out at last!

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332

    Umm probably using duo accounts or maybe 3 or 4 who knows,that was probably a dormant 5 year old account,anyhow not my business.Don't know why i have to explain everything,but seems many on forums like to pick apart one sentence or something that serves their agenda.The PREMISE of her whole story was to tell how a game uses a few cheap gimmicks like cleavage and butts to sell a game ,rather than the game itself.Her opinion was one of BUGS and not much a game at all,it was the cheap female characters that added to it,it was NOT JUST the female characters that made the game so bad,READ the WHOLE article and quit picking apart one or two sentences.

    Cheap gimmicks?NCSOFT nooooooooooo,anyone remember AION and how they repeatedly tried to sell the entire game based on the flying feature?I made that point back then because it was more than obvious,"buy our game,you can fly"EVERY video made a point of it.I think i'll make my decisions based on Quality,not gimmicks.

    As for viewscape,i don't remember there being any issue with it,has been a long time since i played,but i do know that back in those days,drivers and the UNREAL engine had tons of issues.

    Order of the day is that L2 is just "all" around garbage,it's developer alone is worth shunting forever.

    I played L2 on release and to be honest ,it was ONLY because they were using the Unreal engine,otherwise i wouldn't give them the time of day.

    I reported over 50+ bots,even after email confirmation ,those same bots remained for 2 weeks 24/7,until i said screw it,if they don't care then i don't care to support them..EVER.The botting issues were big enough that thousands complained and NCSOFT just didn't care,i am quite sure they have lost customers forever.What crops up again?AION/botting,anti cheat shut down lol...ya go figure.

    There is a LOT more dirt when comes to L2's GM support,RMT ect ect,i really don't care anymore because NCSOFT is on my shit list forever.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,673

    All I can say is, sure they had the "Cheap" gimmicks to sell the game. But the game is fun for a lot of people. Who cares about bugs back when it was released? Nobody. I hardly see any bugs anymore, the only bugs I can think of tend to be related to geometry in the landscape, like when I'm clicking to move somewhere and certain areas don't let me move there, even though nothing is obscuring me from being able to. I enjoy the game, not because of the "butts, and cleavage" but because of the community, and the grouping aspects of the game. The pvp as a whole is very fun, and it's all opinion on whether or not the game is complete garbage. If more people play it than a lot of the current MMO's even if it does have a rather small community then obviously it did something right while these newer mmo's didn't. My opinion is, before you complain, at least play the current version of the game. If the company is on your shit list, than good for you don't play it, but don't call the game garbage based off of what you saw back when it was released. It isn't required to have 3 boxes to play by yourself, you can always find a group of people to level with. Now that they merged the servers I haven't had one day where I couldn't find a raid boss group around my level, or a party to go out and XP with. I currently do not even have a clan, so it isn't because I'm in some big clan either. Opinions are opinions, this girl has her opinion on the game, and a lot of people probably agree. But just because someone thinks something doesn't mean that everyone does.

  • mudd4evermudd4ever Member Posts: 158

    From one gamer girl to another: Ouch, you got walloped here.

    pie.

  • RomeuFCRRomeuFCR Member Posts: 58

    Originally posted by ChickGeek

    Originally posted by RomeuFCR

    As far as I know L2 wasn't the first MMO with female cleavage, and there have been others after L2.

    What about AoC? Or MO with full frontal nudity? That doesn't offend you? Seems to me like you just had an axe to grind with L2 and went the wrong way about doing that.

    No, it doesn't, guess what - i just haven't played AoC and MO :) But AoC is already

    So you just bashed on L2 without bothering to check it against other possible games that might be (by your definition) sexist or offensive to women?

    That's not good reviewing.


    Originally posted by RomeuFCR



    Your views on the game are completely wrong, maybe because they're based on a bad experience, but wrong all the same. You've already been pointed out with screenshots that some of the things you said about L2 were a bit exaggerated. The zoom issue (or non-issue) was easily solved with a tweaking of the l2.ini file (known as the infinite zoom hack)... all the zoom you could wish for right there.

    Well, it's your right to mark my vies as wrong, but excuse me! Do you always run a search for every game you play - "how to hack a game so it would work like its developers should have made it working"?  i commented on a pure Lineage2 install. For a pure install my comments are legitimate, changing a game in any way is a different thing.

    So someone who entitles herself ChickGeek (keyword here being "Geek") which in broad terms could be described as someone who is a tech/computer enthusiast, sometimes referring themselves as the positive hackers, although it is not  required that you be a hacker to be a geek or vice-versa, giving that the original use of the term "hacker" was also to define someone who was a computer enthusiast and/or tech savvy... is faced with a very simple problem (changing one line in one file...) that a mere google search would have returned hundreds of hits on how to solve it, but prefers to answer "Oh well, it's supposed to be that way originally...".

    Haven't you heard the expression "A poor craftsman blames his tools.", in your case craftswoman ofc, don't want you to go all feminine activist on me.

    And yes, the first thing I do with any MMORPG is search for mods or hacks if you want to call it that way, to enhance my playing experience. If everyone shared your views on this subject then we the gamers wouldn't have all those cool UIs and other very useful scripts for WoW, LotRO, etc etc.

    Getting more from what is given to us as a start is all us techies/geeks/hackers crave.

    You should have sticked to just giving a review on L2, and why you don't like it as a game. Instead of just randomly bashing it without a somewhat more consensual reason (if such thing does exist).

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  • ChickGeekChickGeek Member Posts: 60

    Originally posted by RomeuFCR

    So you just bashed on L2 without bothering to check it against other possible games that might be (by your definition) sexist or offensive to women?

    That's not good reviewing.

    Your reviewing is not good. By your logic i should have also mentioned how german porn and Arabian countries are sexist each in their own way. If you want to say "this place sucks" and need first check every other place that sucks too, that's your way of being.


    Originally posted by RomeuFCR

    So someone who entitles herself ChickGeek (keyword here being "Geek") which in broad terms could be described as someone who is a tech/computer enthusiast, sometimes referring themselves as the positive hackers, although it is not  required that you be a hacker to be a geek or vice-versa, giving that the original use of the term "hacker" was also to define someone who was a computer enthusiast and/or tech savvy... is faced with a very simple problem (changing one line in one file...) that a mere google search would have returned hundreds of hits on how to solve it, but prefers to answer "Oh well, it's supposed to be that way originally...".

    Haven't you heard the expression "A poor craftsman blames his tools.", in your case craftswoman ofc, don't want you to go all feminine activist on me.

    And yes, the first thing I do with any MMORPG is search for mods or hacks if you want to call it that way, to enhance my playing experience. If everyone shared your views on this subject then we the gamers wouldn't have all those cool UIs and other very useful scripts for WoW, LotRO, etc etc.

    Getting more from what is given to us as a start is all us techies/geeks/hackers crave.

    You should have sticked to just giving a review on L2, and why you don't like it as a game. Instead of just randomly bashing it without a somewhat more consensual reason (if such thing does exist).

    If you like to do that, it's the way YOU do, why would i care? And why would i need to think i'm doing something wrong just because you do it differently? The first thing I do when i play any MMORPG, is PLAY it.

    That's all, why should i try to make a piece of cake out of something, that was made a piece of shit by its own developers? And while we're at it, i have noticed how you said NOT A WORD on this game being BUGGED LIKE HELL. That's what i wrote after the viewpoint and boobs complaints, did you even read that far or just jumped at "Reply" button all flaming of revenge for this beautiful offended game, huh?

    What can you say about BUGS? Is there any magical *.ini tweak to fix them? I am afraid we'd have to recompile the whole build to fix them, are there any advices on google how to do that?

    Well, i can find a leaked client-server somewhere, i'm sure of it by the amount of free shards everywhere, ask out a programmer and start fixing the bugs and the boobs, then set up our own shard and THEN write how wonderful this game is, so you would be crying in happiness!

    If the game is a piece of crap, i won't go searching for tools to make it a little less stinky and crappy to resume playing, i'll say "this game sucks!" and go find another game. 

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  • ChickGeekChickGeek Member Posts: 60

    Originally posted by Wizardry

    Umm probably using duo accounts or maybe 3 or 4 who knows,that was probably a dormant 5 year old account,anyhow not my business.Don't know why i have to explain everything,but seems many on forums like to pick apart one sentence or something that serves their agenda.The PREMISE of her whole story was to tell how a game uses a few cheap gimmicks like cleavage and butts to sell a game ,rather than the game itself.Her opinion was one of BUGS and not much a game at all,it was the cheap female characters that added to it,it was NOT JUST the female characters that made the game so bad,READ the WHOLE article and quit picking apart one or two sentences.

    Sire, you're the only knight on these forums that truly understand what women says.

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  • NaowutNaowut Member UncommonPosts: 663

    Lineage 2 is 1 of the best games ever created but youre obvioiusly playing it wrong.

     

    During the day you should PvP, kill everyone you meet and have fun.  <-- Best PvP ever.

    During the night you should play L2Walker. <-- Yeah, google it.

     

    Have fun!

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 8,123

    I know these forums are like precision warfare. They pick apart everything you write. Sometimes you use a phrase or make a statement as emphasis and the main point is lost while a quote war begins on the non important bits. 

     

    If I were you I would not have bothered. You have to ignore people who do that. Who start up some crusade against you for the misuse of some term and completely ignore the crux of your thread. The more you reply the more validity you give them Granted this is your thread but you can ignore people who are irrelevant. It does not diminish your point of view and it is after all a point of view.

     

    I may not agree with you but I am an old woman who seldom agrees with any one. Just make sure in future you do not get so touchy when people come to your thread and get pissy. Ignoring them works wonders. 

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  • KothosesKothoses Member UncommonPosts: 893

    Very well written review and breakdown of an issue that is prevelant in most MMOs and most games these days.

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  • gakulegakule Member UncommonPosts: 92

    I always hate when people who never played past 40 in Lineage 2 (especially in its "glory" days) bash it. Like any game, it's really not amazing and/or rewarding til way past 40 (nowadays more so).

    Graphics "outdated"? Solution: Get a new damn video card and turn the graphics to max. I have yet to, personally, find another game as visually appealing.

    "Game was buggy when I played on an emulated free Russian server, the real game is to blame"!!!! I've played on many emulated servers, and each one has many more bugs than retail ever did. You sound like my ex girlfriend, who is/was pretty delusional.

    It sounds like you went into Lineage 2 expecting to play WoW (not WoW bashing, I'm an active WoW player as well)... well, sorry sweetheart, Lineage 2 is a game for the hardcore. People who like killing people. If you want to be a carebear, go play another game. The game itself does not suck, you just suck at playing Lineage 2.

    Lineage 2 is PvP-centric. Well, it was. The one game where you literally had to fight for your right to party.. in a certain area.. If you came to Lineage 2 to play with the Elpy's and not PvP, then you're gonna hate it. Simple as that.

    For me, the grind in Lineage 2 was the biggest turn off. After spending months grinding to level 52 back in the very early days, leveling in that game simply lost it's appeal. It's a never-ending road that you walk down, and it's not very rewarding.

    Stick to Hellokitty Online or whatever, you'll be just fine.

  • SnowlinkSnowlink Member Posts: 1

    First of all,Lineage II wasn't made to appeal to the Western MMO market so it's only obvious that the majority of  western players won't like it(we all know how koreans consider hardcore grinding fun,especially hardcore grinding with half-naked busty elf females...).Also the game is a serious bore up until level 50-60 or so,that's when the actual fun starts because you have to group with other people to level up faster,especially if you are in a clan( oh the joy of getting ganked by enemies while farming those mobs was irreplaceable >.>).Though it may look like your typical korean grinder at first,the game is actually very polished,like you said,smooth combat animations(even jiggly boobs included),great soundtrack,great environments,a handful of quests...at least it has actual quests unlike other mmo's I know.I'm not fanboying on the game or anything,it's just that you made this game look worse than it actually is,no offense.

    I actually quit this game after a year or so,I still recommend it for those looking for a game with quality PvP.

    Too bad you picked one of the most empty servers,I'm sure it played an important role in your judgement.It gives off a different feeling when the game is populated,especially this game.You just can't play it without a buffer/healer or a dwarf that crafts equipment for you.

     

    P.S:Don't mess with the tree-climbing orc shaman,he's doing SRS BSNS up there.

  • TorgenTorgen Member UncommonPosts: 158

    Originally posted by Xpertise

    Originally posted by Shqip


    Originally posted by Xpertise



     

    What's wrong with Click to Move ?

    Whats right with click to move it sucks bad thats whats wrong i see strategy games as click to play but mmos are way better now only few dissappointment mmos have still click to move

     

    ''Click to move is wrong because it sucks bad'' is not a very good explanation.

     

    Ohhhh it is! Click to move sucks so bad that you can't put the badness into known  words. Hence his words are the only way to express your negative opinion about click to move!

  • RomeuFCRRomeuFCR Member Posts: 58

    Originally posted by ChickGeek

    Originally posted by RomeuFCR

    So you just bashed on L2 without bothering to check it against other possible games that might be (by your definition) sexist or offensive to women?

    That's not good reviewing.

    Your reviewing is not good. By your logic i should have also mentioned how german porn and Arabian countries are sexist each in their own way. If you want to say "this place sucks" and need first check every other place that sucks too, that's your way of being.

    Asking for 1 or 2 subjects of comparison to the subject being reviewed isn't that far fetched is it? It's the way reviews are meant to be done, that's why you add your sources at the reference sheet in the end. I'm not saying you didn't get it right, I'm just saying that there's 2 options of looking at it: Lineage 2 is clearly made by horny asian males that like objectifying women, period. Or you could go a little further on that topic and say, Lineage 2 like other MMORPGs, for example *game_1* and *game_2* depict women in a typical asian manner with enlarged breasts and skimpy costumes, it's not the worst out there but it's still pretty bad.


    Originally posted by RomeuFCR

    So someone who entitles herself ChickGeek (keyword here being "Geek") which in broad terms could be described as someone who is a tech/computer enthusiast, sometimes referring themselves as the positive hackers, although it is not  required that you be a hacker to be a geek or vice-versa, giving that the original use of the term "hacker" was also to define someone who was a computer enthusiast and/or tech savvy... is faced with a very simple problem (changing one line in one file...) that a mere google search would have returned hundreds of hits on how to solve it, but prefers to answer "Oh well, it's supposed to be that way originally...".

    Haven't you heard the expression "A poor craftsman blames his tools.", in your case craftswoman ofc, don't want you to go all feminine activist on me.

    And yes, the first thing I do with any MMORPG is search for mods or hacks if you want to call it that way, to enhance my playing experience. If everyone shared your views on this subject then we the gamers wouldn't have all those cool UIs and other very useful scripts for WoW, LotRO, etc etc.

    Getting more from what is given to us as a start is all us techies/geeks/hackers crave.

    You should have sticked to just giving a review on L2, and why you don't like it as a game. Instead of just randomly bashing it without a somewhat more consensual reason (if such thing does exist).

    If you like to do that, it's the way YOU do, why would i care? And why would i need to think i'm doing something wrong just because you do it differently? The first thing I do when i play any MMORPG, is PLAY it.

    That's all, why should i try to make a piece of cake out of something, that was made a piece of shit by its own developers? And while we're at it, i have noticed how you said NOT A WORD on this game being BUGGED LIKE HELL. That's what i wrote after the viewpoint and boobs complaints, did you even read that far or just jumped at "Reply" button all flaming of revenge for this beautiful offended game, huh?

    What can you say about BUGS? Is there any magical *.ini tweak to fix them? I am afraid we'd have to recompile the whole build to fix them, are there any advices on google how to do that?

    Well, i can find a leaked client-server somewhere, i'm sure of it by the amount of free shards everywhere, ask out a programmer and start fixing the bugs and the boobs, then set up our own shard and THEN write how wonderful this game is, so you would be crying in happiness!

    If the game is a piece of crap, i won't go searching for tools to make it a little less stinky and crappy to resume playing, i'll say "this game sucks!" and go find another game. 

        If you don't care about other people opinions why post yours? Why should we care? You wanted to share your view, with at least a bit of altruism, trying to state that games like Lineage 2 represent an ideology that's wrong and offensive to the female gamer (and to females in general). Hoping that you could find someone that would agree with that, and knowing without a doubt that you'd also catch a lot of flack from people that don't share your view and actually like the game. You can't have one without the other.

    I've read your entire review, you pointed out only 2 bugs, the geodata spawn bug, known to L2 players since day one. Although it's an easily fixable bug, that I myself have corrected as a former l2j-datapack contributor (so there are emulated servers out there with a lot less problems in the mobs spawn locations)... don't know why nobody bothered that much with it in the official servers but I never thought it was a gamebreaker, there was 1 or 2 "hidden" mobs in each area, not that big of a deal if you're really enjoying the game, even made for some quite funny situations with my friends while grinding.

    The next "bug" is Lineage 2 being about nothing, now that's not really a bug is it? Lineage 2 was (haven't played in a while so I can't comment on the current state of the game) all it was supposed to be, and it delivered exactly what it promised... a pure asian grinding/pvping fest, nothing more than that. People that played with me at the time liked it exactly because it was a no nonsense no holds barred pvp game, they hated questing and they didn't mind the grind. So it's not really a fault in the game is it? I understand that it's not appealing to a lot of people, that's fine by me... contrary to what you wrote I don't think the game is that wonderful, and I sure as hell don't cry of happiness (or any other reason) for Lineage 2 or any other game. As it's easy to see I'm currently playing LotRO, completely different, lots of quests etc etc. And I just adapted to it, playing L2 didn't make me questophobic, nor did it make me grind dependent, and not even close to making me a female big boobs character dependent (Although I did play a female character for a year in AoC, but it was just to contradict the status quo that all guardians had to be tough looking males filled with scars).

    The pet system description is also not a bug, you weren't completely accurate since some baby pets actually grow up (including the wolf). And you clearly didn't get a hang of playing it... all pets had their purpose, some were just simply cute and had no direct contribution to the fight. Others actually fought with you and believe me a high level strider with good equipment can make some damage. So I partially agree with your take on the L2 pet system, but it's innacurate nonetheless.

    You really didn't mention other bugs, you just criticized the portraying of female characters so I can't comment further on your review because there's nothing further to comment.

    I think you got some things right, and to help your future reviews I was just trying to point out that you should do reviews based more on unbiased facts than on the bad experience you had while playing it. IMHO just the female dark elves boobs, being a grindfest and having a spawn bug aren't enough to label a game as "suxxorz". But if it's enough for you then by all means spew your hatred towards it.

    Your review has it's positive points, unfortunately you don't seem able to take criticism, constructive or otherwise. But keep up the good work.

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  • goblagobla Member UncommonPosts: 1,412

    Why is everyone attacking the OP ( Original Poster ) instead of the OP ( Original Post )?

    As far as I can see the post contained the following points

    1. Female characters are, put simply, dressed as whores.

    2. The zoom function specifically zooms in on the private areas of females ( would be hilarious if on males it merely zoomed in on the head... )

    3. Early levels are a grind of killing mobs with hardly any quests.

    4. There are still a lot of bugs in-game that complicate the playing experience.

    As far as I can see the following replies have been more or less made. Though I might have missed a usefull reply in between all the flames. In that case I apologise to that poster.

    1. Females in several MMOs are, put simply, dressed as whores OR This game was made by koreans OR males also think that females in this game are, put simply, dressed as whores. How does any of that disprove the point that in this game females are, put simply, dressed as whores. It's like countering someone who says that McDonals will make you fat by saying that KFC will also make you fat.

    2. Mostly ignored but I did read a reply somewhere saying that zoom was fine since you could zoom out as well. How the hell does that work? It's like saying that it's no problem that mob A is bugged and unkillable because you can just kill mob B as well....

    3. Yes but the end-game is great OR All games are grind OR this game is not about quests. How does any of that take away that the early game is a grind without quests? It's like saying it's fine for supermarket wines to be utter crap because the bread there is really great and you really shouldn't go to the supermarket for wine anyway. Yes, it's understandable if supermarkets sell average wine but it's not fine if they sell french piss in a fancy bottle, even if all other supermarkets are doing that. A PvP MMO can be forgiven having average PvE but it's not fine if they have PvE that's utter crap, even if other MMOs have that as well.

    4. Seems to be politely ignored. It's a lot harder to flame a poster for complaining about bugs eh?

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 30,231

    Originally posted by ChickGeek

    "oh my i was wrong, this game is SUPPOSED to be pure grinding set on pause while you PvP here and there, so that's totally okay to be another grindfest, that's why people want!" -- if you like grinding, be glad there are no quests, it's good for you :) i like quests and rant because of their absense, that's bad for me - so you just keep proving me right in my point of view

    Well that's great, you like quests. I like them too. Heck, at the time I even made such statements on the L2 boards that we needed more quests. Keep in mind this was "just" when wow was launched.

    but it's also very common for people to grab and "grind quests". A grind is a grind is a grind.

    Killing 10 of x becvause uncle owen needs new power converters (just pulled that out of the air, makes no sense really) isn't really any better than showing up to a field and killing mobs for many levels.

    Quests are great, they give context.

    But this is an old school game, made at a different time with different sensibilties. You can't evaluate it in the same light as current games as it was never meant to be like current games.

    And sure, you dont' find a lot of people but it's an old game where many of the people are at higher lvl. Most level oriented games are like this. In EVE the universe is the universe it seems. So you will find people in other areas. In games like wow or L2 or lotro you will find more people in the higher lvl areas and in the main city hubs. Just how it works.

    So great, you think it sucks because it doesn't have what you want. Well, it never was supposed to have what you wanted.

    That's like me saying dance music sucks. But you know what? If you go to a club and they are playing chopin preludes then it's not really going to work and will "suck" even more.

    Dance music works in places where one dances. Where it's supposed to be.

    Lineage 2 works on the context of what it's supposed to be. It is old so the meat of the  game is really aboutplayers  being elsewhere in the world, but it is possible for a player to buckle down, find a good clan and work towards the higher levels.

    I don't mind you hating the game. But it's not like you are approachign it as an eastern pvp grind game.

    You are applying criteria that you might enjoy but were never a part of what the game was/is about.

    It's like going to saving private ryan and saying the love story sucks. And you like love stories.

    Well I do to. But that's not what saving private ryan is about.

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  • ChickGeekChickGeek Member Posts: 60

    Originally posted by RomeuFCR

    You really didn't mention other bugs, you just criticized the portraying of female characters so I can't comment further on your review because there's nothing further to comment.

     i just want to point out, that i described in DETAILS a bugged quest that i had to repeat SEVEN TIMES to finish. if that's "not mentioning other bugs" for you - then i don't want to bother answering you anymore, because the only thing you want is to generate more flaming. you're welcome to have fun flaming me as much as you want, for all i care.

    also i included screenshots with two other bugs clearly shown. practically, i don't even need to answer, this user pretty much did all the work for me:

     


    Originally posted by gobla

    Why is everyone attacking the OP ( Original Poster ) instead of the OP ( Original Post )?

    As far as I can see the post contained the following points

    1. Female characters are, put simply, dressed as whores.

    2. The zoom function specifically zooms in on the private areas of females ( would be hilarious if on males it merely zoomed in on the head... )

    3. Early levels are a grind of killing mobs with hardly any quests.

    4. There are still a lot of bugs in-game that complicate the playing experience.

    As far as I can see the following replies have been more or less made. Though I might have missed a usefull reply in between all the flames. In that case I apologise to that poster.

    1. Females in several MMOs are, put simply, dressed as whores OR This game was made by koreans OR males also think that females in this game are, put simply, dressed as whores. How does any of that disprove the point that in this game females are, put simply, dressed as whores. It's like countering someone who says that McDonals will make you fat by saying that KFC will also make you fat.

    2. Mostly ignored but I did read a reply somewhere saying that zoom was fine since you could zoom out as well. How the hell does that work? It's like saying that it's no problem that mob A is bugged and unkillable because you can just kill mob B as well....

    3. Yes but the end-game is great OR All games are grind OR this game is not about quests. How does any of that take away that the early game is a grind without quests? It's like saying it's fine for supermarket wines to be utter crap because the bread there is really great and you really shouldn't go to the supermarket for wine anyway. Yes, it's understandable if supermarkets sell average wine but it's not fine if they sell french piss in a fancy bottle, even if all other supermarkets are doing that. A PvP MMO can be forgiven having average PvE but it's not fine if they have PvE that's utter crap, even if other MMOs have that as well.

    4. Seems to be politely ignored. It's a lot harder to flame a poster for complaining about bugs eh?

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  • I think some of you need to learn to respect an opinion. If you read the title -a perspective- you see that the OP states her own opinion. To her, the game sucks. That may be said a bit harshly and that may offend fans, but in the end, she stated why she dislikes the game.

    That may not be understandable for everyone, but we all have our expectations and wishes for a game- for example, she doesn't like grind. Yes, this game was basically made that way to appeal to a certain group of players and yes it is old, but that doesn't change the point that her arguement is valid and that there is grind in Lineage II.

    And bugs, no matter how small, if there are many of them, they can be annoying and even game-breaking. Isn't it valid to criticize that they are still in game even though the game is so old?

    The clothes- yes, many other games have such armor for females, but does that change the fact that the OP finds that offending? We are not talking about armor in general in all MMOs, we are talking about the armor in Lineage II. For example, I can say that I hate the armor in Aion. You can say that all asian MMOs have armor like that, for example TERA, etc.. Does that mean I have to like the armor in Aion just because other games have similiar artstyle?

     

    In the end, what I want to say is: Do you have to agree with everything she said? No. But she doesn't act like it's a fact. She clearly wrote that it's her perspective. You can argue that you have another opinion, but flaming the OP is not the way to go.

  • VikingGamerVikingGamer Member UncommonPosts: 1,350

    Of course the Original Post was tl:dr but I got the impression that the OP has gotten stuck on the dark elves having boobs and so declared the whole game to be obsessed about it. Seems the poster was the one obsessed. The light elves pretty much have nothing up top. No boob physics to be found. Of course there skirts conveniently blow upward with every spell cast, Marilyn Monroe style. Humans are about the same. I noticed some of the robe armor for these other races are just regular knee length skirts. Didn't seem overboard to me. Pretty much just the dark elves go to the extreme on over sexualization. But then their appears to be a solution for that. Don't play a dark elf.

    Of course if you are looking for a race of Dorito eating fat chicks well... they did leave that one out.

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  • DLangleyDLangley Member Posts: 1,407

    This thread has gone down hill quickly. Please remember to follow the RoC before posting. Locked.

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